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Final thoughts on release of Zach Thomas

There's going to be a lot written and talked about this latest move.  Already, we've seen a wide variety of emotions out of the fans upon hearing about the release of Zach Thomas.  Really, though, what more can be said?  Not much, but I throw out my 2 cents just for fun.

Yesterday was a tough day for Dolphin fans, and with good reason.  A 12 year relationship has just ended...and on Valentine's Day of all days.  Ok, ok, so it wasn't that kind of relationship, though some might claim the kind of relationship fans have to players is just as strong and emotional.  Zach Thomas was/is truly great, in every sense of the word.  He was a great middle linebacker on the field.  But he was an even better person off the field.  Sure, we can talk about his play and his production all we want.  We can talk about how he's a 7 time pro bowler, the most ever for a Dolphins player.  We can chat about his 1,866 career tackles, which is more tackles than any linebacker currently in the Hall of Fame has.  We could even talk for hours about his leadership and how important it has been over his career; how he's a workaholic and studies the game inside and out, setting a good example for everybody around him.  But not enough can be said about all of his work in the community.  Zach Thomas wasn't only a Dolphins player, he was a South Florida icon.  And you put all this together and what you get are seemingly millions of broken hearts.  Yup, it was a tough day for sure...

It's a shame it had to end like this.  It really is.  We're talking about a guy who gave the Miami Dolphins organization everything he had for 12 seasons.  Even in the dark ages of Dolphins football when this franchise provided us fans with nothing but false hope (or no hope at all), watching Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor play together always gave us fans a little something to cheer for.  But now Thomas is on his way out of Miami, and the future of Jason Taylor is as cloudy as ever (though I do think he remains).  Yes indeed, times, they are a-changin'.

In his statement released to the public, Zach says he will always consider himself a Miami Dolphin.  And it's a safe bet that no matter what the future holds, Dolphin fans will always consider Zach a Miami Dolphin.  Personally, I don't even care if he goes to play for Dallas or New England or any other team, he'll always be a Miami Dolphin to me.  And all we can really say to Zach now is "thanks for the memories."

But, honestly, is anyone really shocked by this.  I'm not.  And I will not hold this against the new regime.  The bottom line is that football is a business and it makes perfect sense to release Thomas and save the $5.65 million in cap space.  Some say we should have just offered a pay cut to keep him here.  But who is to say he would have accepted.  Now that he's a free agent, he only wants to play for a contender.  Even if he did decide to stay in Miami, even at a reduced salary, by the time the Dolphins were contenders, Zach would have been on his way to retirement.  So it's a wise move and I'm not against it like some are.  Is it a little saddening?  Of course.  But what I'm now anxious to see is how the Dolphins will use all this cap room they are clearing.

Again, to Zach, I say "thanks for everything and good luck."

But now is the time to look ahead...

Free Agency Rumors

So with that, let's begin looking ahead.  

There's only 2 weeks left until free agency begins, and only 1 week left for teams to designate their "franchise" players.  To date, the only players to be officially tagged (or close to officially tagged) are LJ Smith, Terrell Suggs, and Karlos Dansby.  More will come as the deadline nears.

So let's talk rumors.  Here's one rumor making rounds courtesy of East Coast Sports News:

Rumors are floating that the Miami Dolphins are cleaning house and lowering their cap to make a quick strike in the upcoming free-agency period with CB Asante Samuel and OG Alan Faneca sitting at the top of their wish list.

Quick strike?  It's a nice thought, but are we really supposed to believe that Asante Samuel would sign quickly when he's likely going to get the largest contract of all free agents this year?  I would doubt it.  Regardless, I'm all for Samuel coming to Miami, even if it costs $11 million per year.  As for Faneca, I'm not so sure I'd be happy with the Dolphins signing him to a huge deal.  He's already 31 and, though he fills a BIG need, it just doesn't make sense for the Dolphins to give a guy of his age a big contract.  But with that said, if this regime believes he is indeed worth it, then I won't complain too much if it happens.

Rumor #2 comes as no surprise and is courtesy of the Dallas Morning News:

If the Cowboys don't apply the franchise tag to Hamlin, Miami might be the biggest threat to sign him. Hamlin never played for Bill Parcells, but he has an outstanding relationship with Dolphins assistant head coach/secondary Todd Bowles after working with him last season. More importantly, Miami has a major need at free safety and a ton of room under the salary cap.

Bring him on down!!  I'm all for Hamlin signing a 5 or 6 year deal and the Dolphins finally having a playmaking safety who is a big hitter and can play in coverage.

So my point here?  It's sad to see the great Zach Thomas leave, but the future is exciting.  I'll miss Zach as much as anyone, but the rebuilding is underway in Miami and exciting times lay ahead...hopefully!

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rebuilding is underway in Miami and exciting times
Your right on Matty with that.

I can't wait. We got tons of cap room, and I wanna see who the next "Zach Thomas" we might get in the draft is.

We're gonna have a totally (and I do mean TOTALLY) different Dolphin team this year come game time. I can't remember when I've looked foward this much to a Miami Dolphin offseason. Either by trade or by draft. I CAN'T wait until the March 1st. Parcells has come and blown the doors off everything.

The FAs we can get. The draft picks we have. Including, if we stand pat, the  pick of the crop of who is coming out in from the college ranks.

GO Tuna GO! If you can trade JT to a SB contending team (and he wants to go) send him too. Let's shake this AFC East division up. Revamp this Fin team, and kick the NE Patriots square in the nuts.

WooHoo, Bring it on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKu3wbzo0-g

by Neo on Feb 15, 2008 12:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I dont remember being this excited either
From the time JJ came on board it always seemed like every offseason was quick fixes - trying to find the move or three that would put us over the top before our window closed. After over a decade of this crap we're finally stepping back and doing things the right way.

This is a real beginning. Very exciting.

by alskor on Feb 15, 2008 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im excited about this also...
of course is sad to see Zach leave but is the best for our team, ITS TIME THAT THE DOLPHINS RETURN TO THE GOOD TIMES. GOOOOO FINS!!!!

by Alfonso on Feb 15, 2008 3:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I second that thought
I too, felt a pain in my heart as a Dolfan, but at the end of the day it was best for both of us. We as fans didnt want to let them go, but at the same time we were being selfish for our own happiness. If we wanted any of our players to win a superbowl it is definitely Zach. So I progress...I felt the same about Shaq leaving.

Go times are ahead and i believe we are going to see a culture shift in where that we see player excited to play football and give their all. Through win or loss we can still take pride in their effort, not like the past years.

by 305finforlife on Feb 15, 2008 8:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I FREAKING LOVE
Hamlin!!! That guy is everything Nick Saban wished Jason Allen could be. He's the #1 defensive FA we should be targeting in my book. We should've gone after him last season. Man I hope Dallas doesn't franchise him.

by The Dude on Feb 15, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

fun time
It is going to be an exciting offseason.  The rumor mill will be busy at work on this site and many other sites.  Lets make a big splash Tuna.  Also, trade down if available.
Hope the Tuna isn't lost at sea!!!

by Stin on Feb 15, 2008 9:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You just neva know
I dont belive signing ashante samuel for that much money is worth it.I believe we should look for young players that are realy good but just under the radar.cuz if you sign a big name player like ashante that would mean a big contract,And with our look he gets injured have way threw the season that would be the last thing that we need for next year.On top of that you cant realy tell how good he may be cause playing on are team in playen in new england is a totaly different thing.over there hes playen with otha big names in the back field and all the attention is based only on him.But if he cmes over here that would be a totaly big difference and how knows how he would play with all eyes on him and the only big treat in the backfield.So i believe for his price if he becomes a bust ova here in miami thats to big of a loss in our hands....................

by lionel on Feb 15, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Are we surprised at the actual fact...
that Zach was released? I'd say most of us are.

Are we surprised or shocked at the reasons why he was let go? I'm say most of us are not.

GIven his age, his recent history, and his salary - this is no surprise.

As before, good luck to Zach no matter who he plays for.

As for FA, I can see maybe one big FA signing but not a slew of them. In general it just isn't the way to build a team - we saw it last year with SF who signed FA's and then won few games because they still have no real QB. And we all should know what the redskins have done, in their insistence on paying little attention to the draft and overspending on numerous FA's.

by Natalya on Feb 15, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I mostly agree, but
I have been saying all along that my wish list for FA (which incidentally is about the same as last year) is one very good CB and one very good OL.  While I don't like the idea of paying Samuel a ton of money, I am hoping that Trufant or someone else becomes available.  Maybe even through a trade.  

I think that another solid CB to play alongside Will Allen and Lehan, and one pro-bowl caliber Oline (don't care if it is G or T - Faneca, Starks, Adams) to play alongside Satele and Carey, will produce the biggest bang for the buck in FA.  As much as I don't want to spend big on Samuel, I think he would be a huge upgrade for the D, and would not be upset to see them work out a deal to get him in for one or two years while we are grooming draftees.

I also think we should grab Crumpler, and then draft OL and DL high.

The other spot that I'd like to see us address in FA, if we do NOT break the bank on Samuel (I really hope we get someone a little cheaper), is WR.  Crayton, Johnson -AZ, maybe Berrian, etc.  This is a position that has a high failure rate in drafting to it, and even if you get a winner, it takes several seasons for most of them to develop.  Picking up a young guy who is already developing gives us some breathing room to see if Ginn and his family, end up developing into a real receiving threat.  Any rookies we draft, will probably not contribute much the first year.

Here is my "pretty unrealistic, but trying to remain within the realm of possiblity" wish list for FA/trade acquisitions:
-Trufant
-Starks - Unless we are really going to draft Jake Long, then I would go for Faneca. I know Starks wasn't playing LT, but he is young with a lot of upside.  Between him and Carey, we play the best one at LT.
-Dansby
-Hamlin (maybe as part of a trade w/JJ)
-Bryant Johnson
-Crumpler

To do this we would still have to clear some more cap space, but I think that is going to happen anyway.  Off the top of my head, I can think of some TEs that should be getting pink slips.  And obviously, if we break the bank on Samuel and Faneca or Adams, that pretty much takes care of our FA pickups since we will be broke after that.

We could re-sign Hadnot.  Give Bell and J. Allen one more year.

Then we could draft DT and OL high (we could draft a starting G lower than a starting T).  Fill in depth at WR, LB, CB, OL, TE, DE, developmental QB with our other picks.

How's that for dreaming big?  :)  How cool would that offseason be?  You add youth, not a bunch of old guys like we have done in the past, and you lock up some key players for several years.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 16, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a rule against trading a player
after sticking them with the franchise tag?  I expect Dallas to either sign Hamlin or Franchise him, but I don't expect them to let him hit FA.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 16, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now way in hell
would I give Asante 11M a year.

by Coolbean04 on Feb 15, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good :-)
If this team was one player away to be a serious contender than yes, pay him 11M.  With all the holes we have on this team.  Instead of getting an A+ DB for 11M, I rather pay 5M for a B+ back and use the other 6M in other areas.

I don't even think we need to pay 5M to get a solid DB.

by Coolbean04 on Feb 15, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather
I would rather sink our time in youth and like Natayla said sign one big name FA.  Too many is not a good think.  Reference SF...great points.  We must trade down and get picks if the opportunity is presented to us.  There isn't that one guy out there for us in the draft; that early in the draft.  Exception is McFadden but we do not need him.  Depending on our defensive scheme I do not know if Asante would be a great fit.  He is an aggressive corner so that would mean we need some good safties and without someone like Hamlin it does not make sense to sign him.  Trade down and get as many picks as possible.  Too bad we didn't get a pick for Zach.
Hope the Tuna isn't lost at sea!!!

by Stin on Feb 15, 2008 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My hope for Zach...
...is that nobody signs him.  I truly hope that all the other teams take a look at him and decide that it's not worth the risk.  Too many concussions are adding up and it's just a matter of time before he starts asking his car keys who the refrigerator is talking to...seriously, I know it sounds like I'm making light of it, but Zach has always transcended the "rooting for laundry" aspect of modern pro sports and I want the best for him.

In my opinion, for this first-ballot Hall-Of-Famer who should have his number retired, I think Zach has all the makings of a great coach.  He's a workaholic, team-first, no-B.S. guy who brings everyone around him up a level.  I hope we see him on the Dolphins' sidelines for years to come.  Who knows?  Maybe he's the future iron-jawed ex-defenseman no-nonsense Head Coach -- remind you of anyone?

One last thing:  A favorite Zach memory.  It was Michael Vick's rookie year (I think) and the Falcons were in town.  I think Chris Miller was the starter for Atlanta, but he got knocked out.  Vick came in and lit it up as the Falcons staged a furious comeback.  They had 4th-and-1 from the 1 with time running out and a TD wins the game.  For some inexplicable reason, Dan Reeves has Vick hand off (to Jamal Anderson, I think?) and Zach meets him in the whole, helmet-to-helmet, knocking Anderson backwards.  Game over.  Dolphins win.

Thank you, Zach, and, as always...

Go Dolphins.

by lancelotlink on Feb 15, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

From Armando Salguero:
Jason Taylor trade should be next
Now that the Dolphins have cut ties with Zach Thomas, it is time for the other shoe to drop.

It is time to trade Jason Taylor.

If the Dolphins can justify getting rid of Thoma because he will be 35 in September and his physical status is too uncertain and his trade value is practically non-existent, then they have to trade Taylor.

Why?

Because one move flows with the other. If you're cutting your losses of aging vets and building a younger team, you don't keep another aging vet especially if the possibility exists you can get something in return for him. That simply does not make sense.

That doesn't mean Taylor is in the same situation as Thomas. He has value where Thomas apparently had very little. But the Dolphins can't wait too long on this matter.

At 34 years old in September Taylor still has trade value now but may not next year. And Taylor's physical status is not in question now but may be a year from now.

Let's face it, even if all of Miami's offseason moves work as planned, the Dolphins will not be a Super Bowl or even playoff-caliber team in 2008. As one Dolphins official told me today, 10 years of ineptitude cannot be erased by one offseason of aptitude.

So even if everything goes well for the Dolphins in the next 12 months, Jason Taylor is still not going to help the team win a championship in 2008. So Miami has to take a wider view of this situation. The view has to include a year from now when Taylor is readying for his final contract season.

The market for a soon-to-be 35-year-old defensive end might not be very good -- certainly not as good as it might be this year for a soon-to-be-34-year-old. So why hold on to Taylor?

Please, somebody give a compelling reason to keep him.

Taylor would be happier elsewhere away from yet another Miami rebuilding project. The Dolphins will likely be better off without him dying a little bit every Sunday as the team continues to lose. And, again, getting something for a player is always better than getting NOTHING. And the Dolphins got NOTHING for Thomas and will get NOTHING for Taylor if they hold on to him too long.

Now, you might ask, what is the market for Jason Taylor? I have no idea. Last year an NFC North personnel man told me he could see some team giving up a third-round pick for Taylor. Some team might even give up a second-round pick. After all, the Chargers gave up a second for Chris Chambers.

If the Dolphins can pick up a second- or third-round pick for Taylor, that would give them five picks in the first three rounds of the coming draft. And that's one more player that should become a starter within two or three years in exchange for one player who will likely be out of the league in two or three years.

Do it!!!!

What's the other side of that coin? Well, maybe the Dolphins want to keep their best player so they can put a better product on the field. Sorry, that argument no longer has merit based on the fact they just cast out another one of their better players for NOTHING. [By the way, even the Chiefs got a fifth-round pick from Miami for Trent Green, who was 37 and coming off a concussion-shortened 2006.]

The point is it makes no sense for the Dolphins to simply cut Zach Thomas but keep Jason Taylor. Not when everyone knows the Dolphins aren't playoff-ready for 2008. Not when they can still get something for Taylor this year, but might not get anything in return for him next year.

Not when the first shoe dropped already.

Salguero is really making sense (to me anyways) lately. I mentioned this earlier, where does this move leave JT? Looking at our roster now, what one Fin really stands out as being out of place? I love JT, but I have a feeling a trade is coming.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKu3wbzo0-g

by Neo on Feb 15, 2008 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes the Chiefs got
a 5th rounder out of us and are lame-brained management at the time (thanks Randy Mueller) - while all we got was 4 games out of Green total, during which time he was leading the league in INT's!

Trading JT is in my mind, something to very seriously consider. No quicker way to fill bodies & spots, than stockpiling picks.

by Natalya on Feb 15, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I ONLY
trade JT if we can get a 1st or 2nd round pick.

We want a young team but we NEED Veteran leadership.  JT can be a mentor to young players and teach them how to play the position.

That's one important aspect you left out.  That valuable leadership of teaching is MORE valuable than a 3rd round pick.

by Coolbean04 on Feb 15, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At this point...
It might be the best time to trade Taylor. As much as I hated seeing Zach go, I'll hate seeing Jason go as well, it might be the best decision. If we can get a 2nd round pick for him I think we should do it.

I can't believe I'm writing this. It's like a bad dream.

Matt

by Matt27 on Feb 15, 2008 1:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I Think...
with the areas the Dolphins are addressing, that their focus will be the holes left behind. For instance...

   selling Chris Chambers means there's a great need at wide-receiver.
   the gutting of the offensive line means there's going to be heavy emphasis here.
   and the cut of Traylor and now Zack will mean the center of the defense will be valued greatly.

Then there's the upgrades at Safety and Corner. I sure am glad I don't have to put together a staff like what's required here!

It's exciting for sure. I just hope they get champs instead of chumps.
   Btw........ I see Zach in green and gold. Yep, Green Bay baby. With Bret coming back and taking another shot at the big dance.

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A-a-and....
just to keep the pot stirred on the #1 pick in the draft..... check this web site at the Dallas Morning News:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/021508dnspocowshort.2a2f8b9 .html

Oh yeah, Jerry wants McFadden again. WOW. What a scenario this would make. What, with Marion and extra picks all in the mix. Whew, there's a storm brewing in the south again. And the name is Dolphins. So what will this storm bring...??

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

YOU KNOW WHAT??
They can keep Marion, insted, they could send a CB or a Safety or a NT or .......
They can keep there RB with them, not needed in this camp ; )

The 1st 2 1st rounder and something else, but not a RB. We are in need of everything else. Maybe a 3rd rounder too, in the mix

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Feb 15, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been preaching that
since I heard about this trade. I want Newman (CB) or Witten (TE).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKu3wbzo0-g

by Neo on Feb 15, 2008 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but they aren't going to give up...
...either of them.  Why would they?

by Matty I on Feb 15, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about throwing in JT?

Along with trading our 1st pick for Dallas' two 1st rounders, we throw in JT for Newman?

Newman has 2 yrs left on his contract, and even with the prorated signing bonus, it only looks like he would cost ~2.5M against the cap.  JT has 2 yrs left and will count somewhere around 10M against our cap next year.

Everyone wins.  JT gets to play for a contender, we get a #1 CB and drop ~7M against the cap at thet same time, AND we no longer need to pay for a Samuel or Trufant (of course Newman and JT would immediately re-negotiate their contracts with their new teams, but with two years left, I can't see him getting FA type money).

AND we don't have to worry about JT playing for the Pats. :)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 16, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Surprised
that no one posted this. This from ESPN:

   "MANAGUA, Nicaragua -- The New England Patriots won the Super Bowl and ended the season with a perfect 19-0 record -- at least it looks that way in Nicaragua.

   "The NFL donated 290 Patriots hats and an equal number of team jerseys trumpeting the slogans "Super Bowl Champions, 19-0" to impoverished children from two small communities in southern Nicaragua....

   "They were very happy to receive the hats and jerseys," Diaz said. "They said they did not expect such a surprise."

   "Neither did the Patriots."

I love it....... LOL.

by Alpha6 on Feb 15, 2008 3:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This has been going on for years...
...with donations of NFL, NBA, and MLB clothes that used to be destroyed instead of plucked as rare collectors' items.  There are entire villages of kids running around in Africa wearing shirts and hats proclaiming the Chicago Bears as Super Bowl XLI Champs and the Detroit Tigers as 2006 World Series Champs.  I think it's a very cool practice, instead of just setting it all ablaze.

American Professional Sports Leagues:  Conquering the World -- One Tiny Impoverished Village At A Time.

Go Dolphins.

by lancelotlink on Feb 15, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

General question about how we look at the cap
Why is it that people talk about whether or not to spend the money we have available under the cap?

To me this seems like a no-brainer.  Every team has the same cap number, and every year, almost every team spends right up to that cap number.  The only benefit to not spending is that the owner saves some money, but other than that, the only two things you really gotta worry about in FA are 1) structuring deals that give you 3 yrs or better of "real" contract time, without putting yourself is cap jail in the fourth year, and 2) leaving enough money to sign your draft picks.

So with that in mind, why WOULDN'T the Fins go out and sign 4 or 5, or even 6 serious FAs to 6 or 7 yr deals to spread out the signing bonus and lower the anual cap hit?  The could probably do this with half of what they have to spend and still have plenty to sign the draft picks.

If the contracts are structured right, the FAs get to talk about a big number on their contract and the contract is really a 3 or 4 yr contract because it balloons in the final years and no one actually intends to pay it out.  The cap hit you incur if you cut them is the accelerated signing bonus, and if they are playing well, you just restructure.  

And if you draft right, by the time you have to decide on this, your rookie classes are developing and you may have guys ready to step in as starters who are much cheaper.

So, again, why WOULDN'T the Fins and spend that cap money?

Ball Park Example: Samuel (not advocating him, just using his numbers) is talking about 100M (assinine!).  Let's say he gets 89M.

Over 8 yrs (what Clements signed), that's ~12.5M/year.  You pay him a 22M signing bonus (3.1M/yr) and a salary structure of 3, 4, 5, 6, 13, 14, 16, 16M/year.

The cap hit in yrs 1-4 is ~ 6M, 7M, 8M, and 9M respectively.  If you cut him in yr. 5, you take a 9.5M cap hit.  More likely, you restructure.

Do I think we should pay that much for a guy?  no.
Is it do-able?  Certainly.  And this is basic.  You can do even more with guarantees and voidable years to lower the total length and cap cost of the contract.

If Samuel is the most expensive FA we got, and he counts 6M against the cap, imagine who we could get for a 5M, a 4M and two 3Ms FAs?  And that only eats up 21M of our available cap space this year.

BTW, if my cap numbers are correct, Joey Porter is going to cost us 7.2M against the cap this year, whereas Adalius Thomas is only going to cost the Pats 5.4M.  Just thought I'd throw that in to point out the value of correctly structured contracts.

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