Discussing the Needs: Quarterback
This is the first post of a series that I hope to continue that looks at the needs of the Miami Dolphins for the 2008 offseason. And God knows there are a ton of them.
We'll start off first by looking at the quarterback position.
Current Players on Roster
John Beck
Trent Green
Dolphin Free Agents
Cleo Lemon
Current Situation
Without question, this position, like so many previous years, remains a huge question mark as we head into 2008. And now with a new regime in town, complete with a coaching staff and everything, the future of the Dolphins' quarterback position is as wide open as it has ever been.
The likely in-house favorite to be the 2008 starting quarterback is, of course, John Beck. Beck had two promising outings in his first 2 career starts (against good defenses in poor conditions) before playing like a true rookie in his home debut against the Jets. After being pulled in Buffalo, John came in for an injured Cleo Lemon and played relatively well against the Bengals in the final game of the season. And what we saw in that game certainly gives all Dolphin fans a glimmer of hope for Beck's future. I, for one, still believe that (With better talent around him), John Beck is going to be a very, very good NFL quarterback. And it would be a damn shame if it wasn't with the Miami Dolphins. They spend a 2nd round pick on him, he wants to be here, and he's got the right mentality to grow and become a true leader of a team for years to come.
Cleo Lemon, on the other hand, is a free agent and most of us are hoping we'll never have to see Cleo again in a Dolphins' uniform. And the chances of him returning are basically zero. It's a shame, too, because I think Cleo Lemon can be a decent backup quarterback if only he realizes that all he is at this level is, indeed, a backup quarterback. So grow the f*ck up, act like a teammate, and come to terms that you'll never, ever be a starter in this league. Good riddance!
Trent Green is the question mark. Bill Parcells, we know, likes to have a veteran quarterback on the roster. But Green might not be who Bill has in mind. And we don't even know if Trent will actually decide to play again. Sure, he's said he wants to. But too many things can change. But I will say this: I think Green would be a good guy to keep around if he wanted to stay as a backup QB/mentor to John. You'd be hard pressed to find a more experienced veteran as a backup QB.
Potential Targets
Here are some of the names that might be tossed around as potential QBs for the Dolphins in 2008:
Derek Anderson - For some reason, his name doesn't go away. Fans like to bring this guy up and I just don't get it. He'll cost too much to get in a trade from Cleveland. And I don't even think he's all that good. I think he's a product of having a great OL in front of him and good skill guys around him. You can read more on my thoughts about Anderson here.
Donovan McNabb - Here's another one fans are talking about. But, again, I don't see it happening. And that's for two reasons. One, I don't think the Eagles are ready to throw Kevin Kolb into the fire yet. Two, he would be too costly for the Dolphins and, at his age, isn't a good investment considering the needs this team has. If they were a QB away from contending, then sure, go after McNabb. But the Dolphins aren't even close.
Rex Grossman - He's an unrestricted free agent, but has said he would like to return to Chicago. If he doesn't, I could potentially see the Dolphins taking a look at him. He's quite an interesting player. And I don't mean that in a good way. He has the physical tools but, for whatever reason, can't keep his act together for a full 60 minutes. Some say he's very soft and can be mentally rattled easily. So the question would be if the Dolphins feel like they could instill some mental toughness in this kid. If so, he could potentially battle John Beck in camp. To be honest, I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if the Dolphins did go this route.
Todd Collins - Collins will be a free agent this offseason. He actually played quite well for the Redskins when he had to replace an injured Jason Campbell. And Collins is as "veteran" as they come. Again, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see the Dolphins look into Collins for a 1 year deal and let him come in here and compete in camp.
Mark Brunell - Keeping with the Redskins, Brunell is an interesting candidate. He is signed through 2010, but could easily be cut by the Redskins, as his restructured deal is made so Washington could cut him with minimal penalty. The 37 year old didn't see the field at all this past regular season. Again, he's a solid veteran with a ton of experience. But he might be a bit small for Parcells and company, at 6'1. You would think that if they are going to bring somebody in here to compete with Beck, it would be a little bit bigger of a QB.
Chris Simms - Simms is a very intriguing prospect to keep an eye on. He'd be 28 by next September, but does have starting experience. He has one year left remaining on his contract with Tampa Bay, but the Bucs could very well cut him. He spent all of 2007 on Injured Reserve due to complications as he came back from an emergency splenectomy. He is due a $1 million roster bonus on March 1. Simms says he's doing well and is ready to play now. I wonder if his father might put in a good word with the "Godfather" of the Dolphins.
Jake Plummer - Plummer would also fit the bill as the veteran that Parcells likes to have. I'm not sure what would have to be worked out with Tampa Bay because of how Plummer retired. But he is a guy with a ton of starts under his belt and is a fiery competitor. I wouldn't be shocked the Dolphins looked into Jake.
Chad Pennington - We all know Chad wants to start. Yet, in NY, the Jets just seem like they want to get away from the Chad era and start over with Kellen Clemens. Pennington is accurate, but he's too injury prone and doesn't have the arm strength I look for in a QB.
J.P. Losman - Losman wants to start. And he likely won't get that chance in Buffalo, with Trent Edwards being anointed as their "savior." That will likely make the Bills have to shop Losman around. He's got a bigtime arm, but is inaccurate at times and makes too many mistakes. No thanks.
Matt Ryan - Let me start off by saying that drafting Ryan, in my opinion, would be a huge mistake. However, we can't totally count it out yet because, after all, you never know. I will say that he'd likely be the only one of the 3 top QBs that would get consideration by Miami. He's big and strong and has a good arm. But he has a tendency of making bad decisions, as shown by his 19 interceptions in '07. I'd consider him a longshot and hope that the Dolphins only use Ryan to drum up interest in the top pick of the draft.
My Best Guess
I honestly have no idea how this will turn out. I could see it going in many directions. But in the end, come September, I believe it will be John Beck under center. As for backups, your guess is as good as mine. I'd guess that Trent Green will probably be cut. I think that a guy like Todd Collins will come in here and be the backup. I'd prefer Trent stay if he's healthy enough and let him be the backup, but I wouldn't bet on it. Then I think the Dolphins will spend a late round pick on a QB and he'll be the #3 guy.
Thoughts? Am I way off? Am I missing a potential QB? Let me know below...
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For the Money's worth...
by PhinsideU on
Jan 18, 2008 3:56 AM EST
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My take
- Att-293 Comp-155 %52.9 TD-9 INT-18 1-15
- Att-218 Comp-83 %38.1 TD-6 INT-24 2-11
- Att-259 Comp-123 %47.5 TD-7 INT-14 4-7
- Att-331 Comp-166 %50.2 TD-15 INT-18 3-11
- Troy Aikman
- Terry Bradshaw
- John Elway
- Bob Griese
by gafinfan on
Jan 18, 2008 5:06 AM EST
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I should add
by gafinfan on
Jan 18, 2008 5:15 AM EST
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EXCELLENT ANALOGY!
He has that little boy enthusiasm, coupled with a fever pitch intensity & desire to win. He's aGREAT charicter person, a football junkie, a gym rat, and I believe will grow in a very short time to be a leader, a motivator, and a great competitor in this league. He has a good release, a strong arm, and accuracy.
get Ronnie Brown healthy, whip an offensive line into shape, grap a go to tight end, and give him Lorenzo Booker, Ted Ginn and one tall, fast burner of a reciever & this guy will be the greatest thing the Dolphins have had since ole' #13!
That's my humble opinion.
by davehowardcustom on
Jan 18, 2008 11:20 AM EST
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Just say no to JP
by feelthepain on
Jan 18, 2008 6:18 AM EST
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Say no to JP, Rex & Pennington
by MassFinFan65 on
Jan 18, 2008 6:49 AM EST
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Rexy
by tenaciouslee on
Jan 19, 2008 12:04 AM EST
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Matt Ryan
I mean just look around the NFL right now. 4 of the last 5 Super Bowls (and most likely will be 5 out of 6 soon) were won by either Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. It seems like the more the game evolves, the more it becomes absolutely essential to get that position right.
And they have plenty of cap room and still plenty of draft picks to address other needs.
Another bonus, it would piss of Patriots' fans. They've seen this kid play for years now and they know he's going to be a star in the league.
by DCDolphin on
Jan 18, 2008 9:01 AM EST
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Agree
by MassFinFan65 on
Jan 18, 2008 10:44 AM EST
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Definitely
I do think that Ireland and company do a great job and evaluating the mental makeup of a prospect.
I feel good about Matt Ryan in that aspect. Stories like this one seem to give a little glimpse of that: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-champs2707dec27,0,5757889.story
by DCDolphin on
Jan 18, 2008 11:51 AM EST
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Rex Ryan may be the DC? (and Chris Palmer info)
With former Cowboys assistant David Lee already in place as quarterbacks coach, the offensive coordinator role could end up going to Giants quarterbacks coach Chris Palmer. Palmer gave Sparano his first college coaching job at the University of New Haven in 1978 and his first NFL job on the Browns in 1999. He also recommended Sparano to Parcells at Dallas.
~ via Suns Sentinel ~
by JDPhinFan on
Jan 18, 2008 9:24 AM EST
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You might as well stick with Beck
by Patssuck456 on
Jan 18, 2008 9:37 AM EST
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Collins
And also, I don't think it would be wise to get into a bidding war on a backup-level QB with Dan Snyder.
by DCDolphin on
Jan 18, 2008 11:42 AM EST
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For what its worth....
by clownfish on
Jan 18, 2008 10:52 AM EST
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How about this?
- Of all the veteran players mentioned, I think Chris Simms and Grossman make the most sense. Look for Collins to stay with the Redskins and I doubt we would trade for any player (ie Losman, McNabb, Anderson). So lets bring in Simms (assuming he gets cut by the Bucs).
- Draft a QB in the second or third round. Forget Matt Ryan unless we trade down. How about Joe Flacco or Erik Ainge? Perhaps Colt Brennan?
- Put a ton of effort into coaching up Beck this offseason and give him every chance to earn a starting spot come opening day.
#13
by 13FinsFan on
Jan 18, 2008 11:17 AM EST
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Colt Brennan at a later Round
by MassFinFan65 on
Jan 18, 2008 11:32 AM EST
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good point
by tenaciouslee on
Jan 19, 2008 12:05 AM EST
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pretty harsh on lemon??
by NumberSeven on
Jan 18, 2008 11:57 AM EST
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Forget about it...
Since you asked, here's the road I'd take on the QB situation. Work Beck to be the #1. Of all the free agents (without compensation), I'd pick up Todd C. as the #2. Then I'd go after one in the middle rounds as #3. The #3 guy I am intriqued by is Joe Flacco - 6'6", 230lbs. Excellent size, strong arm, makes all the throws, quick release, pretty accurate, nice touch and timing, great deep ball, smart, hard working, tough, durable, great senior campaign, leadership skills, productive and has upside. Maybe pick him either late second or early third round.
The combine may take him away though. He'll look too good. Damn it. Here's a link on him from YouTube...
http://nflmocks.com/2008/01/05/featured-player-qb-joe-flacco/
by Alpha6 on
Jan 18, 2008 11:33 AM EST
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yeah flacco's
by NumberSeven on
Jan 18, 2008 11:56 AM EST
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Yeah Flacco
Not a bad comparison. Damn it.
by Alpha6 on
Jan 18, 2008 12:03 PM EST
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I'm a little surprised...
Folks, this is the two-fold reality of the NFL - 1) beggars can't be choosers, not when they are 1-15, and 2) there simply aren't 32 good, NFL quality arms out there.
As bad as the Fins QB situation was last year, some teams (like Carolina & SF) had it even worse.
Good QB's just don't grow on trees and though there may be a few more guys who become available than on Matty's list, they are virtually of the same caliber.
I think someone like Pennington, Grossman, Collins, etc is about as good as the dolphins can hope to land in terms of a veteran FA. Like it or not, that's all that's available.
by Natalya on
Jan 18, 2008 12:18 PM EST
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That's right Nat
by Aleta on
Jan 18, 2008 12:53 PM EST
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Flip-Flopping On Phish QB...
McFadden - I love him, but we have Ronnie Brown, with a couple of capable backups.
Jake Long - Some scouts are not sold he's a LT, but more suited to RT. Plus, Vernon Carey is still young as LT's go and played well this year...why move him again. I don't believe you draft a RT (Long) this high.
Chris Long - Some questions whether he is suited for a 3-4, which we know Parcells will want to push this defense to.
So...that leaves me with Matt Ryan, which addresses this topic. I do like John Beck, but given the choice between the two, I think I'd rather go with Matt Ryan. He's younger, bigger, but looks to have the same intangibles that are attributed to Beck.
I'm also just highly skeptical of paying big money to non-skill positions in the draft when they all have question marks.
Anyway it plays out, this is an exciting offseeson for diehard Phins fans.
by dab415217 on
Jan 18, 2008 1:40 PM EST
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Suffice to say...
by Natalya on
Jan 18, 2008 1:50 PM EST
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great point
And I mean if John Beck can beat him out in training camp, so be it. I feel like the winner of a battle between those two would be someone who earned it, rather than in years past when guys like Fiedler would back into the job.
by DCDolphin on
Jan 18, 2008 1:52 PM EST
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i would love to have fiedler
drafting ryan mean the fins will have traded down, so it wouldn't be top-pick money. it will also mean they have passed on shoring up the line-- D or O- by not drafting dorsey, long or long. i don't think the fins can afford to do that. those guys seems like the real deal, and I am fine with giving beck another year. bring in vet to back him up -a collins or brunell type or keep green if he's healthy. if beck falters, draft your QB next year.
by NumberSeven on
Jan 18, 2008 2:25 PM EST
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I just don't see it.
I completely understand the sentiment behind taking Dorsey, C.Long, or J.Long. All three are beasts at their respective positions. Up until about a week ago, I was all for them taking Chris Long.
I just feel they need to strike gold with a quarterback if they're ever going to get back to a perennial playoff team. You go into camp with two guys with the upside of Matt Ryan and John Beck then you have a better chance of getting there much quicker than if you place all your bets on one of them and that person falters or gets injured.
by DCDolphin on
Jan 18, 2008 2:50 PM EST
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i could buy that..
I understand what you are saying though, and ultimately, if the fins trade down and get Ryan, I won't be screaming. i absolutely would not pick him at #1 though.
by NumberSeven on
Jan 18, 2008 3:08 PM EST
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This is insane!!!
by Aleta on
Jan 18, 2008 2:12 PM EST
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I agree
Now as to a vet, one name I haven't seen is Kerry Collins. What is his status with Tenn.? Does anyone know? I think he would be a good one.
by gafinfan on
Jan 18, 2008 2:43 PM EST
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O Line #1!
Every team that goes deep into the playoffs has an elite O line. That's how an unknown like Ryan Grant went 5 - 6 yards BEFORE BEING TOUCHED, and ran for over 200 yards in the playoffs!
Mr. Long, along with the young guys we have would be sweet, and long term. If we block & protect right, Beck, Ginn, Brown & Booker will SHRED defenses! Get us one tall, deep threat WR and a hefty tight end, and we're there.
by davehowardcustom on
Jan 18, 2008 3:10 PM EST
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Well said, sir.
If we could pick up a solid DT in FA, I could see us going O-line in the draft.
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jan 18, 2008 4:11 PM EST
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Disagree about DT being the bigger need
by Neo on
Jan 18, 2008 11:47 PM EST
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Absolutely true...
So, for me, if Jake Long is great (not good), take him with the first overall pick, if not, take Glenn Dorsey. For me the ideal OL for next season would be (and is not too far from reality):
LT Vernon Carey (moving him back to RT is not a good move).
LG Alan Faneca (or Drew Mormino, do you remember him?, maybe can be a good fit).
C Samson Satele
RG Rex Hadnot (what are we waiting for resign him?)
RT Jake Long
I think with this OL we would sorprise some people in 08.
by Alfonso on
Jan 18, 2008 3:39 PM EST
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I like that O-line!
We either need Dorsey, or a big FA DT.
by LeftCoastFinFan on
Jan 18, 2008 4:13 PM EST
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That's my point, exactly
Remeber Denver's glory days? They had a different running back every year, and it didn't matter who he was, he was a pro bowler!
Man, if we can block for Ronnie & give John Beck time in the pocket, he'll shine like a new penny, and we'll score more points than Brittany Spears making it to court on time!
by davehowardcustom on
Jan 18, 2008 4:24 PM EST
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I'm glad the OL....
I was very worried about our OL going into last season. I'll admit that they exceeded my expectations for about the first 7-8 games - credit Houck for getting them to play so well.
But the second half of the year, I think we all saw what happened - the line was having trouble run blocking, then the pass protection broke down, and the offense was quickly going nowhere.
Without a line that can run or pass block, it won't matter who the skill players are.
On a side note, drafting a line player #1 overall (OL or DL) is probably going to cost us a bit less than drafting any QB #1 overall, in terms of money.
by Natalya on
Jan 18, 2008 4:49 PM EST
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Collegerivals.com - Ryan
by MassFinFan65 on
Jan 18, 2008 8:15 PM EST
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Sorry see direct link:
by MassFinFan65 on
Jan 18, 2008 8:21 PM EST
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Tuna's a smart fish
by Offer Doll on
Jan 19, 2008 8:23 AM EST
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Well
by Finz4eva on
Jan 19, 2008 2:14 PM EST
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QB Problems
I would Take the best OT or CB available with the next two picks in round 2. NO DORSEY !!!
If Beck improves enough we can always trade him - QB's hold value until they are proven to be flops. Really we are in a total rebuilding process - please start at QB and LT !!!!!!!
the defense can wait.
thanks
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by 37yr FINfan on
Jan 19, 2008 3:14 PM EST
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QB Problems
I would Take the best OT or CB available with the next two picks in round 2. NO DORSEY !!!
If Beck improves enough we can always trade him - QB's hold value until they are proven to be flops. Really we are in a total rebuilding process - please start at QB and LT !!!!!!!
the defense can wait.
thanks
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by 37yr FINfan on
Jan 19, 2008 3:15 PM EST
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OL important but not at #1
Anyway, Beck needs some games under his belt and you're not going to add someone to the roster that is better than him. I think Simms would be a good backup and more than capable of stepping in if Beck shows that he isn't the guy. Grossman too.
I can't wait until we get to talking about the receivers, because what we have now is totally substandard. Ginn will be a good one, but I'm not excited about any of the others.
by New York Fins Fan on
Jan 20, 2008 11:43 AM EST
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