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Discussing the Needs: Quarterback

This is the first post of a series that I hope to continue that looks at the needs of the Miami Dolphins for the 2008 offseason.  And God knows there are a ton of them.  

We'll start off first by looking at the quarterback position.

Current Players on Roster
John Beck
Trent Green

Dolphin Free Agents
Cleo Lemon

Current Situation
Without question, this position, like so many previous years, remains a huge question mark as we head into 2008.  And now with a new regime in town, complete with a coaching staff and everything, the future of the Dolphins' quarterback position is as wide open as it has ever been.

The likely in-house favorite to be the 2008 starting quarterback is, of course, John Beck.  Beck had two promising outings in his first 2 career starts (against good defenses in poor conditions) before playing like a true rookie in his home debut against the Jets.  After being pulled in Buffalo, John came in for an injured Cleo Lemon and played relatively well against the Bengals in the final game of the season.  And what we saw in that game certainly gives all Dolphin fans a glimmer of hope for Beck's future.  I, for one, still believe that (With better talent around him), John Beck is going to be a very, very good NFL quarterback.  And it would be a damn shame if it wasn't with the Miami Dolphins.  They spend a 2nd round pick on him, he wants to be here, and he's got the right mentality to grow and become a true leader of a team for years to come.

Cleo Lemon, on the other hand, is a free agent and most of us are hoping we'll never have to see Cleo again in a Dolphins' uniform.  And the chances of him returning are basically zero.  It's a shame, too, because I think Cleo Lemon can be a decent backup quarterback if only he realizes that all he is at this level is, indeed, a backup quarterback.  So grow the f*ck up, act like a teammate, and come to terms that you'll never, ever be a starter in this league.  Good riddance!

Trent Green is the question mark.  Bill Parcells, we know, likes to have a veteran quarterback on the roster.  But Green might not be who Bill has in mind.  And we don't even know if Trent will actually decide to play again.  Sure, he's said he wants to.  But too many things can change.  But I will say this: I think Green would be a good guy to keep around if he wanted to stay as a backup QB/mentor to John.  You'd be hard pressed to find a more experienced veteran as a backup QB.

Potential Targets
Here are some of the names that might be tossed around as potential QBs for the Dolphins in 2008:

Derek Anderson - For some reason, his name doesn't go away.  Fans like to bring this guy up and I just don't get it.  He'll cost too much to get in a trade from Cleveland.  And I don't even think he's all that good.  I think he's a product of having a great OL in front of him and good skill guys around him.  You can read more on my thoughts about Anderson here.

Donovan McNabb - Here's another one fans are talking about.  But, again, I don't see it happening.  And that's for two reasons.  One, I don't think the Eagles are ready to throw Kevin Kolb into the fire yet.  Two, he would be too costly for the Dolphins and, at his age, isn't a good investment considering the needs this team has.  If they were a QB away from contending, then sure, go after McNabb.  But the Dolphins aren't even close.

Rex Grossman - He's an unrestricted free agent, but has said he would like to return to Chicago.  If he doesn't, I could potentially see the Dolphins taking a look at him.  He's quite an interesting player.  And I don't mean that in a good way.  He has the physical tools but, for whatever reason, can't keep his act together for a full 60 minutes.  Some say he's very soft and can be mentally rattled easily.  So the question would be if the Dolphins feel like they could instill some mental toughness in this kid.  If so, he could potentially battle John Beck in camp.  To be honest, I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if the Dolphins did go this route.

Todd Collins - Collins will be a free agent this offseason.  He actually played quite well for the Redskins when he had to replace an injured Jason Campbell.  And Collins is as "veteran" as they come.  Again, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see the Dolphins look into Collins for a 1 year deal and let him come in here and compete in camp.

Mark Brunell - Keeping with the Redskins, Brunell is an interesting candidate.  He is signed through 2010, but could easily be cut by the Redskins, as his restructured deal is made so Washington could cut him with minimal penalty.  The 37 year old didn't see the field at all this past regular season.  Again, he's a solid veteran with a ton of experience.  But he might be a bit small for Parcells and company, at 6'1.  You would think that if they are going to bring somebody in here to compete with Beck, it would be a little bit bigger of a QB.

Chris Simms - Simms is a very intriguing prospect to keep an eye on.  He'd be 28 by next September, but does have starting experience.  He has one year left remaining on his contract with Tampa Bay, but the Bucs could very well cut him.  He spent all of 2007 on Injured Reserve due to complications as he came back from an emergency splenectomy.  He is due a $1 million roster bonus on March 1.  Simms says he's doing well and is ready to play now.  I wonder if his father might put in a good word with the "Godfather" of the Dolphins.

Jake Plummer - Plummer would also fit the bill as the veteran that Parcells likes to have.  I'm not sure what would have to be worked out with Tampa Bay because of how Plummer retired.  But he is a guy with a ton of starts under his belt and is a fiery competitor.  I wouldn't be shocked the Dolphins looked into Jake.

Chad Pennington - We all know Chad wants to start.  Yet, in NY, the Jets just seem like they want to get away from the Chad era and start over with Kellen Clemens.  Pennington is accurate, but he's too injury prone and doesn't have the arm strength I look for in a QB.

J.P. Losman - Losman wants to start.  And he likely won't get that chance in Buffalo, with Trent Edwards being anointed as their "savior."  That will likely make the Bills have to shop Losman around.  He's got a bigtime arm, but is inaccurate at times and makes too many mistakes.  No thanks.

Matt Ryan - Let me start off by saying that drafting Ryan, in my opinion, would be a huge mistake.  However, we can't totally count it out yet because, after all, you never know.  I will say that he'd likely be the only one of the 3 top QBs that would get consideration by Miami.  He's big and strong and has a good arm.  But he has a tendency of making bad decisions, as shown by his 19 interceptions in '07.  I'd consider him a longshot and hope that the Dolphins only use Ryan to drum up interest in the top pick of the draft.

My Best Guess
I honestly have no idea how this will turn out.  I could see it going in many directions.  But in the end, come September, I believe it will be John Beck under center.  As for backups, your guess is as good as mine.  I'd guess that Trent Green will probably be cut.  I think that a guy like Todd Collins will come in here and be the backup.  I'd prefer Trent stay if he's healthy enough and let him be the backup, but I wouldn't bet on it.  Then I think the Dolphins will spend a late round pick on a QB and he'll be the #3 guy.  

Thoughts?  Am I way off?  Am I missing a potential QB?  Let me know below...

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For the Money's worth...
Take a long look into the spleenless wonder. He's probably not asking for much and can serve as a viable backup for beck.

by PhinsideU on Jan 18, 2008 3:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My take
Is that no one can make a good call on the small body of work that John showed in his first year in the NFL and I'd like to show this by putting up some figures:
  1. Att-293 Comp-155 %52.9 TD-9 INT-18 1-15
  2. Att-218 Comp-83  %38.1 TD-6 INT-24 2-11
  3. Att-259 Comp-123 %47.5 TD-7 INT-14 4-7
  4. Att-331 Comp-166 %50.2 TD-15 INT-18 3-11
All of these guys played in 3 times as many games as John played their first year. All are HOF QB's. All took their teams to the SB at least 3 times and 1 guy did it 5 times. All won the SB at least twice and one guy won it 4 times (#2). If you compare their first year stats against John's (Att-107 Comp-60 %-56.1 TD-1 INT-3 0-4) he doesn't look all that bad. In fact he looks alot better than QB # 2. So just who are these guys?
  1. Troy Aikman
  2. Terry Bradshaw
  3. John Elway
  4. Bob Griese
There is no way that John Beck shouldn't be given the chance to grow into the QB's job. As to who the vet will be I don't think we will know that until after the first of March because there may be guys out there that we don't know about yet. But Parcells won't let this team go into the 08 season without a vet at QB even if he doesn't start.

by gafinfan on Jan 18, 2008 5:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I should add
Troy is the tallest of the 4 at 6'4" 220#. Terry and John are both 6'3 215# and poor Bob is only 6'1 and 190#. I wonder if anyone would take a chance on him today? JB is 6'2" and 219# so he isn't to small as some say.

by gafinfan on Jan 18, 2008 5:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EXCELLENT ANALOGY!
That's what I've been trying to get at, but didn't have the figures. The things I love about John Beck are the unteachables & intangibles that made guys like Elway, Marino, Montana & others so above the rest.

He has that little boy enthusiasm, coupled with a fever pitch intensity & desire to win. He's aGREAT charicter person, a football junkie, a gym rat, and I believe will grow in a very short time to be a leader, a motivator, and a great competitor in this league. He has a good release, a strong arm, and accuracy.

get Ronnie Brown healthy, whip an offensive line into shape, grap a go to tight end, and give him Lorenzo Booker, Ted Ginn and one tall, fast burner of a reciever & this guy will be the greatest thing the Dolphins have had since ole' #13!

That's my humble opinion.

by davehowardcustom on Jan 18, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just say no to JP
This guy has nothing, haven't we had our share of that for the last 8 years?

by feelthepain on Jan 18, 2008 6:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Say no to JP, Rex & Pennington
I hope we keep Beck as well...at least let him compete for starting QB....we also need some insurance...but at what cost...I actually do like Anderson...but we would have to give up alot for him....I like Mat Ryan but with soooo many needs in the draft...trading down to (2) 1st round picks makes sense....anyways Parcells & Company want a leader now...look for a strong move...I am not sure what I would do...but that is why there are coaches!

by MassFinFan65 on Jan 18, 2008 6:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rexy
I'd take Rex as a backup any day.  He's perfectly capable in that role.  Dude's been to a Super Bowl, fer chrissakes.

by tenaciouslee on Jan 19, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Ryan
Matt Ryan intrigues me. I like John Beck a lot, but for an organization that's been struggling for almost a decade to find a worthy heir to the greatest qb of all time, they absolutely have to be 100% sure he's the guy. Can any of us really say that at this point? If you bring in Ryan you do lose out on the chance of bringing in one of these big time defensive prospects, but then you get two guys with a huge upside fighting it out in camp for that #1 spot.

I mean just look around the NFL right now. 4 of the last 5 Super Bowls (and most likely will be 5 out of 6 soon) were won by either Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. It seems like the more the game evolves, the more it becomes absolutely essential to get that position right.

And they have plenty of cap room and still plenty of draft picks to address other needs.

Another bonus, it would piss of Patriots' fans. They've seen this kid play for years now and they know he's going to be a star in the league.  

by DCDolphin on Jan 18, 2008 9:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree
But no matter how good Ryan is in college....no guarantee it will translate to the NFL...but he may be worth a shot....having Ryan & Beck on the payroll wouldn't be a bad thing!

by MassFinFan65 on Jan 18, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely
Its funny when you look back and think that people thought Ryan Leaf was going to be better than Peyton Manning.

I do think that Ireland and company do a great job and evaluating the mental makeup of a prospect.

I feel good about Matt Ryan in that aspect. Stories like this one seem to give a little glimpse of that: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-champs2707dec27,0,5757889.story

by DCDolphin on Jan 18, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rex Ryan may be the DC? (and Chris Palmer info)
While most signs point to two Cowboys assistants, linebackers coach Paul Pasqualoni and secondary coach Todd Bowles, as potential defensive coordinator candidates because of their ties to Sparano and Parcells, former Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan is still believed to be in the mix.

With former Cowboys assistant David Lee already in place as quarterbacks coach, the offensive coordinator role could end up going to Giants quarterbacks coach Chris Palmer. Palmer gave Sparano his first college coaching job at the University of New Haven in 1978 and his first NFL job on the Browns in 1999. He also recommended Sparano to Parcells at Dallas.

~ via Suns Sentinel ~

~~ FINGUY23 ~~

by JDPhinFan on Jan 18, 2008 9:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You might as well stick with Beck
Getting Collins wouldnt be a bad idea though.

by Patssuck456 on Jan 18, 2008 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Collins
The reason I'm not sold on Todd Collins is that he's Al Saunders' guy. He came in and did well in Washington because he knew that playbook inside and out. Unless they implement a similar system, I think his value really drops outside of DC.

And also, I don't think it would be wise to get into a bidding war on a backup-level QB with Dan Snyder.

by DCDolphin on Jan 18, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For what its worth....
I'm on the McNabb bandwagon. He has consistently been a top 5-10 QB for at least the last 5 years. He is mobile, so he can scramble while the line learns to gel, especially since there will likely be a shakeup along the oline this year AGAIN. He probably has at least 2-3 GOOD years left and shouldn't cost more than a 2nd rounder, though he will come with a big contract. I just don't think Beck will be ready next year. I know people will say that we don't need to go after other peoples trash yet again, but McNabb has been too good to lump him in with those other guys (Green, Culpepper, Harrington, Frerotte, Feeley, Brian Griese). The only guys out of those QBs I thought might do well here was Culpepper and he was never really given a fair chance. McNabb would instantly make this team much better. And it would be just the big time move that Parcells needs to put his stamp on this year.

by clownfish on Jan 18, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How about this?
Quick and to the point:
  1.  Of all the veteran players mentioned, I think Chris Simms and Grossman make the most sense.  Look for Collins to stay with the Redskins and I doubt we would trade for any player (ie Losman, McNabb, Anderson).  So lets bring in Simms (assuming he gets cut by the Bucs).
  2.  Draft a QB in the second or third round.  Forget Matt Ryan unless we trade down.  How about Joe Flacco or Erik Ainge?  Perhaps Colt Brennan?
  3.  Put a ton of effort into coaching up Beck this offseason and give him every chance to earn a starting spot come opening day.
Thats about it.  By the way, I thought you were pretty harsh on Cleo Lemon.  

#13

by 13FinsFan on Jan 18, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Colt Brennan at a later Round
His stock fell with the Bowl Game...he might be a quality pick in 2 or 3 round!

by MassFinFan65 on Jan 18, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good point
Brennan could very well be available in the 2nd round.

by tenaciouslee on Jan 19, 2008 12:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty harsh on lemon??
did you watch any games this season??
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by NumberSeven on Jan 18, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget about it...
Again, this is fun. To speculate and try to think like one of those in charge. Thanks to Matty for getting and keeping us excited about the things that are to come.

Since you asked, here's the road I'd take on the QB situation. Work Beck to be the #1. Of all the free agents (without compensation), I'd pick up Todd C. as the #2. Then I'd go after one in the middle rounds as #3. The #3 guy I am intriqued by is Joe Flacco - 6'6", 230lbs. Excellent size, strong arm, makes all the throws, quick release, pretty accurate, nice touch and timing, great deep ball, smart, hard working, tough, durable, great senior campaign, leadership skills, productive and has upside. Maybe pick him either late second or early third round.

The combine may take him away though. He'll look too good. Damn it. Here's a link on him from YouTube...

http://nflmocks.com/2008/01/05/featured-player-qb-joe-flacco/

by Alpha6 on Jan 18, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah flacco's
been on the radar all year... a good showing at the combine and he will move way up the list of QBs.
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by NumberSeven on Jan 18, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Flacco
is reminding people of another pro -- Steeler's QB Ben Roethlisberger.

Not a bad comparison. Damn it.

by Alpha6 on Jan 18, 2008 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little surprised...
at how negative some of the comments are on the list of QB's that Matty put together.

Folks, this is the two-fold reality of the NFL - 1) beggars can't be choosers, not when they are 1-15, and 2) there simply aren't 32 good, NFL quality arms out there.

As bad as the Fins QB situation was last year, some teams (like Carolina & SF) had it even worse.

Good QB's just don't grow on trees and though there may be a few more guys who become available than on Matty's list, they are virtually of the same caliber.

I think someone like Pennington, Grossman, Collins, etc is about as good as the dolphins can hope to land in terms of a veteran FA. Like it or not, that's all that's available.

by Natalya on Jan 18, 2008 12:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's right Nat
and the coaching staff know that, so there priority will be to put Beck in shape to be the starter this season. The vet WILL be a backuk QB. On the 3er Qb, go with BP at the draf, he will tell you wish QB he want in the 6 round or if the QB will be available after the draf, a la Romo!! ring the bell?
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 18, 2008 12:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Flip-Flopping On Phish QB...
...because I'm not sold on any of the top draft picks.

McFadden - I love him, but we have Ronnie Brown, with a couple of capable backups.

Jake Long - Some scouts are not sold he's a LT, but more suited to RT. Plus, Vernon Carey is still young as LT's go and played well this year...why move him again. I don't believe you draft a RT (Long) this high.

Chris Long - Some questions whether he is suited for a 3-4, which we know Parcells will want to push this defense to.

So...that leaves me with Matt Ryan, which addresses this topic. I do like John Beck, but given the choice between the two, I think I'd rather go with Matt Ryan. He's younger, bigger, but looks to have the same intangibles that are attributed to Beck.

I'm also just highly skeptical of paying big money to non-skill positions in the draft when they all have question marks.

Anyway it plays out, this is an exciting offseeson for diehard Phins fans.

by dab415217 on Jan 18, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Suffice to say...
this isn't a great year to have the #1 overall pick.

by Natalya on Jan 18, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

great point
Its going to be a giant cap number regardless of who they take. I rather see it be used on a potential franchise quarterback.

And I mean if John Beck can beat him out in training camp, so be it. I feel like the winner of a battle between those two would be someone who earned it, rather than in years past when guys like Fiedler would back into the job.

by DCDolphin on Jan 18, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i would love to have fiedler
back at QB... those seem to be the glory days at this point.

drafting ryan mean the fins will have traded down, so it wouldn't be top-pick money. it will also mean they have passed on shoring up the line-- D or O- by not drafting dorsey, long or long. i don't think the fins can afford to do that. those guys seems like the real deal, and I am fine with giving beck another year. bring in vet to back him up -a collins or brunell type or keep green if he's healthy. if beck falters, draft your QB next year.

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by NumberSeven on Jan 18, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see it.
Collins is a very system-specific guy and Brunell is HORRIBLE. I know what you're getting at in speaking about someone at their level, and not necessarily those two guys specifically, but it just seems like there's a scarcity of "those" guys out there. Which means that some teams will probably wind up overpaying for the few that are there.

I completely understand the sentiment behind taking Dorsey, C.Long, or J.Long. All three are beasts at their respective positions. Up until about a week ago, I was all for them taking Chris Long.

I just feel they need to strike gold with a quarterback if they're ever going to get back to a perennial playoff team. You go into camp with two guys with the upside of Matt Ryan and John Beck then you have a better chance of getting there much quicker than if you place all your bets on one of them and that person falters or gets injured.

by DCDolphin on Jan 18, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i could buy that..
but I am just of the mind that this isn't a one year process. if there was can't miss, clear #1 pick caliber QB in this draft, I wouldn't have a problem going after him. While Ryan seems good, I am not sure he is THAT guy. And the fins did use a high 2nd rd pick on Beck last year, we can't just slide that aside.

I understand what you are saying though, and ultimately, if the fins trade down and get Ryan, I won't be screaming. i absolutely would not pick him at #1 though.

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by NumberSeven on Jan 18, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is insane!!!
We HAVE a qb, like it or not, we MADE an investment last year on Beck. How are we going to spend our first round on a QB? What he would do without protection?, lets bring some protection for Beck. We can pick a QB later on the draf, and look for a vet. Why ax Beck so early? it does not make any sense.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 18, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
with all due respect to all the guys that want Matt Ryan. If you draft a QB with the #1 pick in the draft you gotta play the guy. There is way to much money tied up in him not to play him. The number one guy in the draft has to be an instant playmaker and I'm sorry but in my mind Matt Ryan is not worthy of a #1 pick. Thats not to say that someone won't pick him there esp. if he has a blow out combine and plays outstanding in the senior bowl. I would love to get Flacco later in the draft but the way things are going, if he puts up good numbers, someone will pick him up early. That will be a disservice to Flacco. This kid has only played in 20 college games which means that he ought to go in the later rounds not in the second as I've seen some say he will. I'm not saying he won't be good but he will need time to become good(say two years on the bench, at least). Think Tom Brady here ok. If there is anyone that should sink or swim here it's John Beck, like it or not he's it for now. As others have pointed out there aren't 32 good arms in the NFL so John better get ready cause he's going to get his chance.  It's to bad he was mismanaged in his first year but that's the breaks.

Now as to a vet, one name I haven't seen is Kerry Collins. What is his status with Tenn.? Does anyone know? I think he would be a good one.

by gafinfan on Jan 18, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

O Line #1!
Ask the Cleveland Browns about drafting an O lineman that high! That Wisconsin boy ANCHORED their O line, resurected the career of Jamal Lewis, made a freaking Pro Bowler out of a lame duck QB, and dang near got them into the play offs, after what like a 4 win season the previous year?

Every team that goes deep into the playoffs has an elite O line. That's how an unknown like Ryan Grant went 5 - 6 yards BEFORE BEING TOUCHED, and ran for over 200 yards in the playoffs!

Mr. Long, along with the young guys we have would be sweet, and long term. If we block & protect right, Beck, Ginn, Brown & Booker will SHRED defenses! Get us one tall, deep threat WR and a hefty tight end, and we're there.

by davehowardcustom on Jan 18, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well said, sir.
I completely agree about the O-line needing help, and the need for a WR and TE.  I am not necessarily agreeing that we should take Long, since I think DT is a bigger need, but the O-line makes the offense go, and we need to improve at least two of the five spots.

If we could pick up a solid DT in FA, I could see us going O-line in the draft.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 18, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely true...
Folks: we have to learn that with a good OL, any QB looks good, and how somebody said up there, we made a big investment in Johnny Beck in last draft, so we have to get something back because of that choice: lets give him weapons (Roy Williams would be AWESOME, with Ted, Hagan, Lorenzo Booker as a 4th WR and RONNIE BROWN, we would be outstanding). In addition, I would keep Trent Green as backup (but must because of his experience) and take somebody in the 7th round just for fill that place.
So, for me, if Jake Long is great (not good), take him with the first overall pick, if not, take Glenn Dorsey. For me the ideal OL for next season would be (and is not too far from reality):

LT Vernon Carey (moving him back to RT is not a good move).
LG Alan Faneca (or Drew Mormino, do you remember him?, maybe can be a good fit).
C Samson Satele
RG Rex Hadnot (what are we waiting for resign him?)
RT Jake Long

I think with this OL we would sorprise some people in 08.

by Alfonso on Jan 18, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like that O-line!
but i would stick with Faneca if would could get him, rather than Mormino.

We either need Dorsey, or a big FA DT.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 18, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point, exactly
Tom Brady would look bad playing for us, but the N.E. (GOD, I HAT THOSE GUYS) offensive line makes guys like Sammy & Wes look 500% better than they did here!

Remeber Denver's glory days? They had a different running back every year, and it didn't matter who he was, he was a pro bowler!

Man, if we can block for Ronnie & give John Beck time in the pocket, he'll shine like a new penny, and we'll score more points than Brittany Spears making it to court on time!

by davehowardcustom on Jan 18, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad the OL....
is really coming up in this discussion, although the main thread is about QB's - the two are connected though.

I was very worried about our OL going into last season. I'll admit that they exceeded my expectations for about the first 7-8 games - credit Houck for getting them to play so well.

But the second half of the year, I think we all saw what happened - the line was having trouble run blocking, then the pass protection broke down, and the offense was quickly going nowhere.

Without a line that can run or pass block, it won't matter who the skill players are.

On a side note, drafting a line player #1 overall (OL or DL) is probably going to cost us a bit less than drafting any QB #1 overall, in terms of money.

by Natalya on Jan 18, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Collegerivals.com - Ryan
Article says the Dolphins have been scouting Ryan & very well may pick him....read for yourself.

by MassFinFan65 on Jan 18, 2008 8:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry see direct link:
www.Collegfootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID763205

by MassFinFan65 on Jan 18, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tuna's a smart fish
That's just Parcells/Ireland being wily. If we can't get Dallas' picks we may try to convince Atlanta that we are going to take Matt Ryan. We aren't. But since the situation is so desperate in Atlanta that they are apparently just hiring people off the street maybe they'll take the bait (these fish puns keep coming) and trade up for him.

by Offer Doll on Jan 19, 2008 8:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
If we were going to try to get a veteran Id say trade for Kyle Orton we could probably get him pretty cheap and I think hed be a good fit here

by Finz4eva on Jan 19, 2008 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

QB Problems
Thanks for a GREAT DOLPHINS SITE  ! I have been a long time Fins fan and really nothing matters UNTIL we have a FRANCHISE  quarterback !  You build around the QB position not defense first.  Add some OLINE help in the draft and free agency THIS YEAR... I appreciate your optimism regarding Beck - But he showed me almost nothing to believe he can be a great QB.  He might be decent - but I doubt much better, with his age he is a big liability, if it takes him 3 years to develop.  Don't forget his fumbles, and poor decisions in the pocket.   Yes - the OLINE played poorly - but come on - Beck was a BAD CHOICE  (along with Ginn) last year and NOTHING has changed.  We should draft BRIAN BROHM or Ryan but I prefer Brohm,  who is more accurate and very tough. I would trade down if possible and pick Brohm - he will be a FRANCHISE QB, as will Ryan.   I fear that Parcells changes will lead to 4-5 wins next year PREVENTING US from getting a top QB again next year if we blow it again this year.  Yes - we will have to stumble through another couple of years even with Brohm or Ryan - but at least we will have a young gun for the future.
I would Take the best OT or CB available with the next two picks in round 2.  NO DORSEY !!!
If Beck improves enough we can always trade him - QB's hold value until they are proven to be flops.  Really we are in a total rebuilding process - please start at QB and LT !!!!!!!
the defense can wait.
thanks
LB

by 37yr FINfan on Jan 19, 2008 3:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!
Welcome to the site.

by Matty I on Jan 19, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

QB Problems
Thanks for a GREAT DOLPHINS SITE  ! I have been a long time Fins fan and really nothing matters UNTIL we have a FRANCHISE  quarterback !  You build around the QB position not defense first.  Add some OLINE help in the draft and free agency THIS YEAR... I appreciate your optimism regarding Beck - But he showed me almost nothing to believe he can be a great QB.  He might be decent - but I doubt much better, with his age he is a big liability, if it takes him 3 years to develop.  Don't forget his fumbles, and poor decisions in the pocket.   Yes - the OLINE played poorly - but come on - Beck was a BAD CHOICE  (along with Ginn) last year and NOTHING has changed.  We should draft BRIAN BROHM or Ryan but I prefer Brohm,  who is more accurate and very tough. I would trade down if possible and pick Brohm - he will be a FRANCHISE QB, as will Ryan.   I fear that Parcells changes will lead to 4-5 wins next year PREVENTING US from getting a top QB again next year if we blow it again this year.  Yes - we will have to stumble through another couple of years even with Brohm or Ryan - but at least we will have a young gun for the future.
I would Take the best OT or CB available with the next two picks in round 2.  NO DORSEY !!!
If Beck improves enough we can always trade him - QB's hold value until they are proven to be flops.  Really we are in a total rebuilding process - please start at QB and LT !!!!!!!
the defense can wait.
thanks
LB

by 37yr FINfan on Jan 19, 2008 3:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OL important but not at #1
I agree that the O line is possibly the most important thing for this team to improve, but I just don't see an O lineman being worth what a #1 pick will get. It will be hard to trade down out of that #1 spot because nobody will want to pay all that guaranteed money and there isn't really a "sure thing" pick there. Maybe Jerry Jones will surprise us and trade up for McFadden, though.

Anyway, Beck needs some games under his belt and you're not going to add someone to the roster that is better than him. I think Simms would be a good backup and more than capable of stepping in if Beck shows that he isn't the guy. Grossman too.

I can't wait until we get to talking about the receivers, because what we have now is totally substandard. Ginn will be a good one, but I'm not excited about any of the others.

by New York Fins Fan on Jan 20, 2008 11:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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