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Totally Defeated

Totally defeated.  That's what the Dolphins were today.  And they were defeated in every phase of the game.  And honestly, in my wildest dreams, I never thought that Sunday's game could have turned out that bad.  

Totally defeated.  That's likely how the 2007 Miami Dolphins will be defined in history.  Considering the events of today's game, how could anyone possibly think this team could win a football game in 2007?  They lost to arguably the 2nd worst football team in the NFL today by 27 points in their own damn stadium.  How in the world can they expect to beat any of the teams remaining on their schedule?  I don't know.  Maybe once I get over this loss later in the week, I'll be able to find some hope for a win this year.  But right now, I just don't see it.

One thing many of us were keeping a close eye on in this game was Cam Cameron's play calling.  And it was slightly better than previous weeks.  Out of 22 1st down plays (it was 23, but Beck took a knee on one), Cam called 17 pass plays.  That's certainly much better than past weeks.  Now the next step is for those pass plays to be over 10 yards.  Even though he called more passes on first down, he was still too conservative and most routes were within a 5 yard box.  

But the one play calling decision I really don't understand is the 3 plays Cam called after Joey Porter's interception.  1st down: handoff to Chatman for 5 yards.  2nd down: handoff to Chatman for 3.  3rd down: handoff to Chatman for -1.  And then the field goal.  That's just terrible.  Seriously, that was the one of the worst play calling sequences I've ever seen in the NFL.  Most coaches would try to be aggressive after a turnover when you start at the opponent's 33 yard line.  Especially at 0-11.  What do you got to lose?  For Cam, only his job I suppose.  

Which brings me to my last point about Cam for now.  Already, the people who want to see Cam fired are pointing to this game and asking how any "Cam supporter" could defend him.  And that's fair, I guess.  It is hard to defend him.  But here's one thing I know for sure: Cam Cameron did not lose this game.  Was Cam out there on the field missing tackles?  Was Cam out there on the field missing blocks?  Was Cam out there letting the Jets convert on 3rd and long way too many times?  Was he out on the field dropping passes?  For anyone to say that this game, as embarrassing as it was, is an example of why Cam should get fired, I'd have to respectfully disagree.  If anything, this game is a great example of one team's players not executing and making plays while the other team's players made plays.  Of course, with all that said, I am personally getting closer and closer to the "fire Cam" bandwagon.  I'm just not sure there will be room for me by the time I decide to hop aboard.

John Beck & the passing game

So we finally got to see our rookie quarterback really look like a rookie out there.  I'd be lying if I told you I thought it would happen in this game.  If anything, I would have banked on it occuring in one (or both) of his first two starts.  Either way, a true rookie making his third career start is certainly allowed one of these games.  And to be honest, it all wasn't his fault.  The two lost fumbles both occured because of poor blocking or missed assignments.  The first looked to be the fault if Chris Liwienski, who decided to take that play off I guess.  The second one was because David Martin cannot block.  He's useless as a blocker.  This isn't the first time I've seen him get burnt trying to block and it sadly won't be the last.  And that brings me to another point before we get back to Beck.  These tight ends and running backs have got to learn how to pick up a blitz.  Future opponents, when game planning for Miami, can clearly see that these guys can't handle a blitz.  And they are getting our young quarterback killed.  This has got to be adressed by the coaching staff in the coming week.  Otherwise Buffalo is just going to blitz the crap out of the Dolphins all game long, and likely get to Beck often.  And this provides yet another reason as to how valuable Ronnie Brown was to this offense.  The guy, besides being able to run and catch, could also block very well.

Now back to Beck.  Two of the three interceptions were simply rookie growing pains and we have to live with.  The second interception seemed like a case where John just didn't see Kerry Rhodes to the inside.  The final one was basically a desperate quarterback trying to fit a ball into an insanely tight spot, hoping to make a play.  Again, a rookie error.  The first interception was just bad luck, as it was deflected by a lineman and fell right into the arms of Darrelle Revis.

There were also a couple of plays where there did seem like another receiver was more open than the one John hit.  But that's part of the game.  A QB has to go through his reads.  If he sees that he can complete the pass to his first read, he usually makes that throw.  Perhaps there might have been some pre-snap read that he missed which prevented him from recognizing the potential for a bigger play or a more open receiver, but I'm not sure because, after all, I'm not a quarterback.

Despite all the negatives, though, we did continue to see something positive.  And that's the willingness of John to stand in the pocket and deliver an accurate pass when he's under fire and knows he's going to take a shot after he releases the ball.  We also saw John's arm strength on display on that deep ball that just was a bit too far for Ted Ginn.  It sure does look effortless for John when he throws, which is a welcomed site for a quarterback-challenged franchise (since '99) like this one.  And he did do a nice job of spreading the ball around.  But you know what would be nice?  What if some players on this team could make a few damn plays on offense?  I counted 6 more dropped passes.  That's not a good way to help out your rookie quarterback, you know?

And now we get to see a real good test of a young QBs mental toughness.  How is John going to respond following this game?  Did the physical pounding he took yesterday going to make him a bit more uncomfortable in the pocket?  Are the interceptions going to make him more gun shy?  Or is he going to respond by proving just how mentally tough he is and play well in Buffalo?  We'll find out in 6 days.

Oh, and one more note.  Beck's stats in Pittsburgh in piss poor weather: 14/23, 132.  Carson Palmer's stats in Pittsburgh in better weather than Beck had: 17/44, 183.  And keep in mind Cincy has much better players around Carson than Miami does around Beck.  

The Defense

So much for all this talk about an improved defense.  Sure, the offense wasn't good, either.  But the defense, which many people claimed to be "improving" was totally dismantled by a Jets offense that was without their leading receiver and was starting basically a rookie quarterback.  and it's not even the points I'm mad about.  Many of those were due to the starting field position the Jets had off Miami turnovers.  But there's still no excuse for giving up 372 yards of total offense to the Jets.  And there's no excuse for allowing the Jets to convert 55% of their 3rd downs, many of them longer than 6 or 7 yards.

It was the same old problems manifesting themselves yet again.  They were unable to stop the run, allowing the Jets 163 yards on the ground and over 4 yards per carry.  Inability to stop the Jets on third downs.  And the inability to f*cking stop Leon Washington!!  I can't stand that little f*cker!!  I said it in one of my earlier posts, too.  The Dolphins had to not let Leon Washington beat them.  But on the very first drive, that little douche bag scampers in from 18 yards out.  Then later in the game, he gets to put the final nail in the coffin by going in for a 12 yard touchdown.  And in between those 2 plays, he had others, such as the 3rd and 12 shovel pass for a first down.  I'm disgusted just going back and thinking about him.  I hate him.  I really do.  He might be in my top 5 most hated players list.  God do I hate that little sh*t!!

But I've rambled on enough.  Just a few quick thoughts left.

This & That

-I love the cornerback blitzes.  Will Allen is a perfect guy to do it, too.  He's very fast and likes to get physical.  I love those aggressive play calls and hope to see more of them in the coming weeks.  More often than not, they work absolutely perfectly.

-Joey Porter showed up now for the 3rd week in a row.  Could it have anything to do with his knee possibly just getting back to normal now?

-Congrats to Jason Taylor for picking up 2 more sacks.  Just 2 more sacks get him into double digits for the 6th time in his career.

-We had multiple Lorenzo Booker sightings.  That's very exciting.  He's got some good hands and amazing acceleration.  Hopefully we see more of him next week.

-The Dolphins have now gone 13 quarters without an offensive touchdown.  That's absolutely unacceptable.  When will the offense find pay dirt again?  Will it be 2007?

That's all for now.  As always, your thoughts below...

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I respectfully disagree.
~But here's one thing I know for sure: Cam Cameron did not lose this game.  Was Cam out there on the field missing tackles?  Was Cam out there on the field missing blocks?  Was Cam out there letting the Jets convert on 3rd and long way too many times?  Was he out on the field dropping passes?  For anyone to say that this game, as embarrassing as it was, is an example of why Cam should get fired, I'd have to respectfully disagree.~

Sorry Matt, I think your dead wrong on this one. What you are talking about is fundamentals, and that directly points to coaching and Cameron.

Blocking, tackling, catching passes, that hardly points to talent, it points to coaching. Lets go to the dictionary shall we?

Head - (n.) The place or honor, or of command; the most important or foremost position; the front; as, the head of the table; the head of a column of soldiers.

Coach -  (sports) someone in charge of training an athlete or a team;  teach and supervise (someone); act as a trainer or coach (to), as in sports; "He is training our Olympic team"; "She is coaching the crew".

Given, you got to have some talent, but if you can't do the basics you don't belong in this league. And please don't give me the "talent" excuses neither Pro-Camers, we're talking about possibly the 2nd worse team in the league here.

~So much for all this talk about an improved defense~

Well hell Matty, they were having to deal with 5 turnovers and score for the damn team too. Kellen Clemens scored as many points in 1 throw (6) as the Miami offense has scored in the past 3 games (6). And Cam supporters please don't give me the "rookie QB" and "top reciever traded" excuses, because Matty just wrote:

~Jets offense that was without their leading receiver and was starting basically a rookie quarterback.~

~Of course, with all that said, I am personally getting closer and closer to the "fire Cam" bandwagon.  I'm just not sure there will be room for me by the time I decide to hop aboard.~

"The great OC" = early in the game, Cameron's play-calling was so conservative that the crowd let out a mock roar when Beck finally threw a pass downfield, even though it fell incomplete. Despite the cautious approach, Miami's offense self-destructed while totaling only 187 yards.

0-12

6 points in 3 games by the "offensive genius"

40-13 loss to a 2-9 Jets team at home .

What more do you need Matty? Honestly.

Ya know what? Make all the excuses you want Pro-Camers, I'm tired of arguing. The above speaks for itself.

by Neo on Dec 3, 2007 1:02 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PS
Who in the hell calls time-out with 10 seconds to go in a 40-13 blowout?

I give you 1 guess.

Please Wayne, fire this man.

by Neo on Dec 3, 2007 1:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sick and tired of arguing with you as well
Don't give me that "fundamentals" crap.  Blocking. catching, tackling, etc. are the basics these players learn before the NFL.  It's not up to the NFL head coach to teach these guys the basics.  I don't understand how you can sit here and say it was Cam's fault that players missed blocks, dropped passes, missed tackles, and gave up 3rd down converstions.  Are you ever going to blame the players?  Seriously, it's absolutely ridiculous!!

And as far as the defense, I did say that you can't blame all the points scored on the defense.  But still, you aren't going to hold them accountable for allowing 370+ yards to the Jets??  Oh, wait, that's Cam's fault, I'm sure.  It's not the defense's fault for allowing a 3rd and 12 conversion by the Jets on the first possession of the game, right?  Granted, all 40 points aren't blamed on the "D", but every yard gained is blamed on them.  And giving up 370 yards is pitiful.  

Don't get me wrong, the offense is pitiful, too.  But you can't sit there and tell me the defense wasn't god awful.

by Matty I on Dec 3, 2007 12:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offense/Defense
The coach is responsible for the players play on the field. Bottom line: The players didn't come to play or wasn't ready to play.

You asked: "Are you ever going to blame the players?"

Well maybe, but I'd rather assume that a rookie HC that has never won a NFL game is responsible for this 0-12 mess than previous administrations and/or players.

by Neo on Dec 3, 2007 12:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neo, what are you talking about?
Look I know and understand you want Cam fired. Call for his head for bad decisions on play-calls or his calling timeouts at bad times. But to suggest that the players suck because of him??? That makes no sense. So in other words, according to what you're saying, if we swapped Belichick for Cam, that this Dolphins team would be 12-0 and the Patriots with Brady and Moss would be 0-12?

Marty Booker, Jesse Chatman, a rookie QB, Derick Hagan, the secondary, the front seven... that's why we stink. Brady, Moss, Bruschi, Harrison, Asante, Brady's O-line... that's why they are 12-0 and the best team in football.

It's not the coaches, man. It's the players.

by The Dude on Dec 3, 2007 3:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is the players, yes.
but it sounds as though he is losing the those players. and even before all the injuries, this team looked pathetic.. and this was a team who was supposed improve on last years' 6-10... yes the player aren't getting it done... but who's to blame when they don't reach their potential? the old adage "you can't fire the whole team" applies here. i am not a blind "fire cam" rant here, but i really do think he needs to go.  
The Jayfiss Report ...one fan's rants.

by NumberSeven on Dec 3, 2007 4:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW - I understand that during the interview
process, Cam told Wayne that he expected to make it to the playoffs this year, with last years 6-10 team, with a good offseason and a good draft.

Now it may be true that we need better talent, but part of the head coach job is to evaluate the team and assemble the necessary talent.

Obviously, Cam is way off on this one.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 6:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course he told Wayne...
they were going to make the playoffs. Just look at the big moves they made:

Porter, $20M guaranteed
Green, $2M+ and a draft pick.
Keeping the oldest defensive front 7 intact

Those aren't moves made by a team that figures to go 4-12. I mean why would you spend all that money if you are rebuilding and expect to win 4 games? Wouldn't you have cut the big salaries and axe the older players? Instead they did the opposite.

by Natalya on Dec 3, 2007 7:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We stunk
even when we had Chambers, Ronnie, Trent, when the secondary was playing good and the front 7 playing well. We were still winless and getting blown out I might add.

Patriots have been the best team in the NFL for a long time without alot of Pro-bowlers. Way before the likes of Moss.

by Neo on Dec 3, 2007 11:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pass routes
It's possible that the lack of deep balls could be attributed to Beck's indecision, or inability to hit them accurately.  The final decision on where to throw the ball is always the QB's.  Maybe he's too skittish?

by tenaciouslee on Dec 3, 2007 5:36 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also disagree
Matty, I am a faithful reader of your blog, besides being a Dolphins fan. About Cam Cameron, until now I stayed on the safe side and bought into excuses like: "cannot evaluate one coach in one year" or "he's not repsonsible of the talent level he found".
Now, anyway, I'm starting to change my standpoint, after all, when you are 0-12, if the coach was supposed to make a difference, he obviously did not.
The persepctive most people look at, play calling and game management, is misleading. That is just the icing on the cake, the foundation for a winning season (or at least a non-embarassing one) is laid in the first half of the year. Now, what did Cam and Randy do back then? let's see:
1- they let arguably their most productive and inspirational player, Wes Welker, leave, to Now England nonetheless!
2- they dumped Daunte Culpepper for ... Trent Green (and paid a draft pick for it).
3- they handed Joey Porter way too much money.
4- they replaced the most productive TE in Phins' history with ... David Martin??(nevermind they keep starting him while Justin Peelle is playing much better).
5- they failed to recognize the Defense was not nearly as good as they thought (a coach/gm must-not).
6- they waived Fred Evans for, what?, smoking a couple of joints when he was back in high school?
7- they left one of the best punters of the league leave in exchange of a 7th round pick that they used for ... another punter?
8- they left Chrish chambers leave and replaced him with ... Derek Hagan?

Those personnel blunders in free agency set the stage for a highly questionable draft. Although Ted ginn and Samson Satele can become decent players, in time, would have been better off with, say, Amoby Okoye & Leroy Harris (plus Wes Welker)
rather than with Ted Ginn and Paul Soliai?
What would you like to have at WR: Chambers, Booker, Welker and one kick returner like Steve Breaston or Aundre Allison or Ginn, Booker, Hagan and .... Greg Camarillo?
Who would you like to have at NT? Traylor and Soliai or Okoye and Evans?

So, as you see, there's no play calling trickery or game management magic that can save you from a disastrous string of personnel decisions.

On Cam's relief I can say it's not his fault only, but that means that the GM would have to go too.

by toscana jones on Dec 3, 2007 8:42 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow!
I really can't disagree with any of this.

I don't necessarily agree 100%, but even the things I might question, I can't point to anything you wrote and say it's wrong. Like about keeping McMike, he was good but pretty inconsistent... but if you are going to get rid of him, you damn sure better have an adequate replacement... which obviously did not happen.

Chris Chambers was probably a deal done when internally the admission was made that this season was completely lost.  How do you convince your team to play when your bosses have already given up?

2,3,5,6,7.... I have felt that way about these things all along.  These, for me, are things that just looked wrong at the time.  But the proof is in the record, right.  They looked wrong to me, at the time, but what do I know?  But it is fair to evaluate these moves in light of the results, and as of today, they can certainly be classified as failures.

Is is Randy's fault?  I don't know.  If I had to guess, I would seriously doubt the Ginn pick was Randy's idea, unless he also is a member of the Ginn family.  But I would place less emphasis on this past draft when evaluating the problems this season, than I would on the moves or lack thereof in free agency.  

We were 6-10 last year, ending on a roll, top 5 defense, high expectations, Wayne said money is no object, and we could not land one WR??!!!  The Pats, who are generally cheap, get Moss, Stallworth, Washington, and Welker??  And Moss in a trade for next to nothing!  We sign JP, they sign Thomas for the same price.  Granted, if I am a player, you would have to pay me more last year to take a chnace on the Dolphins, rather than play for the Pats, but are you telling me we couldn't go out and get a GOOD lineman, a GOOD WR, and a GOOD CB in the offseason?  Then how much better do we look going into the draft?  Then how awesome does it look to draft Amobi instead of Ginn?  We coulda signed Stallworth as WR/KR, kept Chambers and Welker, and drafted another WR later.

Dude, I think this is a failure of mythic proportions.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 3:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Toscana...
I've argued many, possibly all, of those points before and the response is always the same....Cam/Mueller/whatever, need more time, they inherited a mess, blah blah blah.

All that's happened here is a bad situation where the team was respectable and at least competitive, has become the worst team ever.

by Natalya on Dec 3, 2007 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My 2 cents
#1: Welker
Here's something I've said time and time again.  Wes Welker would not be doing whathe is in NE if he was still a Dolphin.  He's a product of the system.  He fits in perfectly with as the underneath guy, complimenting Moss and Stallworth.  He constantly has either the team's 3rd corner or a linebacker covering him because of that.  And that is why he is so productive in New England.  Can we give it a rest with him.  And for Welker, we did get Samson Satele, who is going to be this team's next great center and is a surefire future pro-bowler.  But you might not think the center is important.  But then why would a poll of 256 NFL players (this was in SI) vote that the most important position in football other than the QB is the center?  It's because he's the guy who makes all the offensive line calls.  And we've found a player who was able to step in since day 1 and be our starting center.

#2: Culpepper
Plain and simple: Daunte Culpepper stinks.  Anyone see him play this year?  Sure, giving up a 5th rounder for Trent has backfired a bit.  But he's doing an amazing job working with John Beck.  I know personally from a "source" very close to that situation that Trent is working day in and day out with John and that John is really learning a lot from Trent.  Do you think Daunte would be doing this?  So while Trent did get hurt, he's still contributing to the team.  However, a 5th rounder was a bit high.  But it's not exactly terrible.

#3: Porter
It's easy to say they overpaid for Porter now.  But I didn't hear anyone really killing the front office for that signing when it happened.  Everyone was ecstatic to have J-Peezy when we first landed him.  So don't give me that "overpaid" crap now.

#4: McMichael
I like what the team did in ditching McMike.  He was overpaid and wasn't exactly reliable.  He dropped passes just as much as Martin is doing now.  I'll agree that Martin is a disappointment.  But McMike was not worth what he was getting paid.  Besides the drops, he would disappear for long periods of time.  I wish they could have traded him and gotten a little something in return.  So I'll call this move a slight negative.

#5: Defense
Give me a break.  Everyone around here thought this defense was going to be elite this year.  How can you say the GM/coach have to realize they aren't as good as they thought?  I challenge anyone to find proof that there was somebody out there (player, coach, scout, media personality, fan) who thought this defense wasn't as good as it looked in 2006.  

#6: Evans
Didn't we release him because he was drunk in public, puked in a taxi, and resisted arrest?  And has Evans even been a factor in Minny?  He has 3 tackles and a sack.  Wow.  We're really missing out big time.

#7: Punters
Agree with you 100% on this one.  I do think Fields will develop into a good punter.  But why replace Jones with a rookie.  Should have just resigned him and have been done.

#8: Chambers
That trade for a 2nd round pick was a very good move.  And he was actually replaced by Ted Ginn.  He's the starter with Marty Booker, not Hagan.  And if I remember, most, if not all, of the people who commented at the time of the trade liked the trade.  It gets Ginn some experience as a starter and we now have 2 2nd rounders, which allows the front office to be very flexible.  Face it, by the time this team got good, Chambers would be entering the twilight of his career.

by Matty I on Dec 3, 2007 4:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I beg to differ Matty, about Porter
I wanted us to go hard after Adalius Thomas, and was disappointed when it didn't even look like we tried.  And then to find out we paid the same amount to Porter.... well, it felt like an expensive consolation prize.  I was posting more on FH at the time, but I was very vocal about it, and felt like there were several areas where the money could have been better spent... like CB, WR, or O-line.

I wasn't specifically unhappy they signed Porter... i was just pissed that they didn't open up the checkbook for a more critical position.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 5:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I beg to ...
... AGREE with all your points. Plus, you saved me a lot of time. I don't have to waste any of it with the usual suspects. I cam, er, can go back to reading the new book I got Friday, 'BLACKLISTED BY HISTORY - The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies.'

A lot of hysterical people were accusing the good senator of being absolutely wrong in what he was doing. Now, we know he was absolutely RIGHT. Why does this sound familiar? Now, Matty, I know you don't want any political posts, so this is not intended as one. I'm just pointing out that the majority of people believing something does not make it so.

I hate the f*cking jets.

by ufourya on Dec 3, 2007 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the HELL???
Dude, what the hell is wrong with you? Everyone is  talking about the Dolphins and then you go off defending Joe McCarthy. Are you some sort of fascist? Do you need a CAT scan of your head?! McCarthy was a dirty fascist and so it anyone that supports his witch hunt.

BTW you should do some reading of the author of that book. He helped found this organization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Americans_for_Freedom

Dan Quayle is a member of that organization. That should tell you a lot.

Oh and as a Colts fan I even feel sorry for you guys. But sadly you made a HORRIBLE decision with Cameron. I was at IU when he coached down there and he ran that program into the ground. I am not surprised by him doing the same thing all over again, but I am surprised by the McCarthite Dolphins fan! I figured all the fascist would be New England fans. : )

by MasterRWayne on Dec 4, 2007 5:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ROFL!!!!!
Dude, i am glad you said it.  :)  He is always coming up with something off the wall.

You totally cracked me up with this response!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 4, 2007 7:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It helps to know...
... what you are talking about when replying. Cameron ran the program into the ground? He admittedly didn't do very well, but for comparative purposes, here is an excerpt from an article from the local newspaper on the occasion of his firing:

"...Sam Wyche was the smartest football coach in the last 50 years at Indiana University. Wyche recognized a lost cause when he saw one and left after one season. Every other Indiana coach had to have reality beaten into them.....

Cam Cameron is a good guy. Bright. Energetic. Earnest. Unemployed. He was fired Wednesday after five seasons as Indiana's football coach because he couldn't win often enough. So what else is new at Indiana? Lee Corso had two winning seasons in 10 years. John Pont, who coached during the glory year of Indiana in 1967, had two winning seasons in eight years. Bill Mallory, the winningest coach in school history, finished with a sub-.500 career mark (69-77-3, .473) and had six losing seasons in 13 years. Wyche's record in 1983 was 3-8 when he left Bloomington for the NFL's Cincinnati Bengals, a team he eventually led to the Super Bowl....."

So, if you'd like to blame Cam for the perennial failures at IU, it doesn't really fly - he played a small part.

Thanks for the link to the disputed article on Wiki. You should read it yourself. Nowhere does it in any way impugn the organization. If merely being conservative, fighting anti-Semitism or holding libertarian views in some way equals fascism in your fevered imagination, YOU need the Cat scan. In regard to McCarthy - you and all the other hysterical believers in Joe McCarthy's alleged 'witch hunt' need to catch up. History has been revised by the release of the Venona decrypts and Soviet files which show with absolute certainty that the good Senator was correct in his assertions that our government had been infiltrated by spies on Moscow's payroll. Pointing out the truth is not a witch hunt. You also need to look up the meanings of the word 'fascist.'

Matty, I wasn't going to do this, but you seem only to request no political talk when it comes from me, not others. I hate to let falsehoods stand uncorrected.

by ufourya on Dec 4, 2007 11:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Witch Hunter
Yeah thats right. It was clear that Hollywood had satanic red plans for the rest of America. Good thing "tail gun" Joe saved us from such evil as the "Screen Writers Guild."

As for his time at IU let me add that he had Antwan Randell El on that team who was one of the most talented players in Big Ten history and he still did nothing. That team was so bad that his kicker was miss extra points. Your team is sitting at 0-12 and you are still defending this guy? Speaking of defending...

The fact that you are defending McCarthy on a Dolphins blog (as if defending the little fascist wasn't bad enough!) just shows how sick you really are. I mean does it EVER stop with you people on the extreme right? You even have to bring your sick political world into my football? In short, get a life, get a copy of the US Constitution and get a CAT scan.

Peace

by MasterRWayne on Dec 5, 2007 11:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As usual...
ignorance abounds. Members of the Screen Writer's Guild were responsible for more ruined careers than McCarthy ever was.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/27732.html

They actively opposed anyone whose views were anti-communist. Hollywood has continued to this day to refrain from making movies which chronicle the horrors of Communism. (Over 100 million dead.)

By the way, SENATOR McCarthy had ZERO to do with the HOUSE Un-American Activities Committee, which exposed communists in Hollywood. (Amazing how people with no knowledge of history so easily throw around words like fascist.)

You should be on your knees thanking McCarthy for bringing it to the American public's attention that our own government was rife with Communists and Soviet agents at high levels. Without his efforts, our precious Constitution might be even less meaningful than it is after the careful ministrations of you neo-Stalinist lefties :)

See, I can throw around words, too.

It pains me that a Dolphin blog has to be besmirched by the political ravings and personal attacks that you leftists connot seem to avoid.

Peace

by ufourya on Dec 5, 2007 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok...
I have had enough of this. Ill leave you with this about Joe McCarthy...

That was his infamous 1949 campaign on behalf of Nazi S.S. officers who were convicted of war crimes for the massacre of American troops in the town of Malmedy during the Battle of the Bulge. On their orders, 83 American prisoners of war had been murdered by Waffen S.S. machine-gunners. The S.S. officers were sentenced to death, but McCarthy insisted that the entire case was a frame-up, with confessions obtained by horrific torture. He intervened in Senate hearings on the case and lied repeatedly during his defense of the Nazi murderers. His most spectacular claim was that the American investigators had crushed the testicles of German prisoners as an interrogation technique. McCarthy was later shown to have served as the pawn of neo-Nazi and communist provocateurs who were using the Malmedy case to whip up anti-American sentiment in postwar Germany. The main source for his false charges concerning Malmedy was a Germany lawyer named Rudolf Aschenauer, whose closest ties were to the postwar Nazi underground and to American right-wing isolationists, but who has also been identified as a communist agent. Aschenauer testified at U.S. Senate hearings in Germany that he had passed information about Malmedy to McCarthy. The S.S. officers were guilty, as the Senate report confirmed -- although most of them later got their death sentences commuted in a gesture to former Nazi officials who aided the West in the Cold War. But McCarthy had succeeded in his larger purpose, winning publicity for himself and casting a negative light on the war-crimes trials.

by MasterRWayne on Dec 5, 2007 3:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As usual...
... another smear of a decent patriot that sounds like it came from the bowels of Daily Kos or some other neo-Stalinist cess pool. I'll leave you with this:

http://www.fredautley.com/malmedy.htm

The above written in 1954 by a contemporary observer. I hope you have the courage to read a view not steeped in leftist hatred. Please open your mind.

While Joe McCarthy was not a perfect man, and his methods direct, he was most certainly not the man a few generations of his own countrymen have been led to believe. The very term "McCarthyism" was coined by Owen Lattimore, a Communist in our government on the Soviet payroll, and a man with great negative influence on world events. We are still being unduly misled by the myth set in motion by the men who determined to and did destroy 'Tailgunner Joe.' It is only since the declassification of the so-called Venona transcripts and availability of Soviet archives that we have become aware that McCarthy was undeniably correct in his basic concerns and assertions. Those who stubbornly cling to a false history and assail others for pointing it out are, well, ignorant. Sorry.

by ufourya on Dec 5, 2007 6:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is all I am going to say on this...
Communism is not evil, it is an ideology.  It happens to be a very good ideology, that provides for the greater good and ecourages equality.  It has works successfully in small micro economies (like a kibbutz in Isreal... I've seen it, it works).
The main problem with Communist ideology as a form of government is the age old problem of power and corruption.  When a country has everyone working to produce a GNP, someone has to organize the fair and equitable distribution, create the systems of compensation of services, and, of course, develop infrastructure, define trade agreements with other countries, and provide for the national defense (so on ans so forth).  the point is that while you have all of the workers diligently doing their jobs and expecting their fair share, the bureaucratic overhead becomes the insatiable beast to feed, and the people running the beast develope their own agendas based on politics and not the original ideology.  Stalin usurped control after being granted it by the people, essentially creating a dictatorship.  Trotsky, a communist idealist opposed Stalin and was killed.  The Soviet Union, a military based dictatorship was born.
Why the history lesson?  Because many people during the McCarthy era had their lives ruined because they were affliated with, or accused of being affliated with, a communist organization.  Where there Soviet spies in the country? Sure! did we have spies in there country? Of course, it was all part of the game. Did we catch some here through the blind interrogations and investigations of innocent people?  Sure!  Did it make it right to create a Spanish Inquistition atmosphere in order to "stamp out communism in this country"?  No.  It doesn't matter if McCarthy was proved to have been right on some of his suspiscions and accusations.  The atmosphere of insecurity and fear created in the country was more undermining of our constitutional values than any good that possible came out of it.  

In this country, if someone wants to be a member of a communist party, or nazi party, or the JDL, or be a Sunni muslim, or a Christian Fundamentalist, our freedoms allow it.  There are certainly laws against behavior, but not against what you believe.  

Once we begin to make "exceptions" to what beliefs are tolerated, or we begin to trade our rights to voice those beliefs without fear if government reprisal, for a little "homeland security", we head down the same slippery slope that created the Soviet Union... a process that put more and more power over time into the hand of fewer and fewer people.  Suspending liberties for the greater good has rarely show to be a wise course of action.  It was hurtful when we interned the Japanese Americans, it was hurful during the McCarthy trials, and it is hurtful no with the prisoners held without due process in Guantanamo...
.........and what people don't seem to realize is that the people that are most hurt, are us.  

Americans that have loved, believed in, and fought for freedom, and have been proud to fight the good fight, to set the example for others around the world about tolerance, equality, and justice.

The ends don't justify the means, when the means compromise your integrity.  McCarthy hurt a lot of innocent people.

My apologies to Matty.  If you would like me to quit posting, I will.  I have just seen too many of these rationalizations for our Anti-American behavior and loss of liberties, to listen to this kind of stuff without response.  

You know, I'll bet that the majority of people today don't realize that, through a series of legal and Supreme court decisions over the past couple of years, it is legal in most states (not Texas, their legislature specifically passed a law to prohibit it) for a police officer to pull someone over for not wearing a seatbelt, and even though thet infraction itself is not punishable by jail time, thet officer still has the prerogative to arrest you; once under arrest they can search you and your vehicle (under several different search and seizure exceptions i'd be happy to explain some time if anyone cares), and then charge you with an contraband that you might have in the vehicle.  Now there used to be things to protect individuals from this type of arbitrary search and seizure, and the "moral majority" will tell you it doesn't matter if you don't have anything illegal anyway.

But the real point is that there was a time not long ago when an officer could not pull you over without reasonable suspicion of ciminality; you could not be arrested and taken to jail for an infraction that, in an of itself does not carry the potential for jail time; and a search of your car require probable cause, or a specific warrent looking for specific contraband.  Those days are gone, as well as many other personal protections from government buse of power, and thet scary thing is... no one seems to realize it!

Maybe you should start a political blog too, just so when these things come up, there is a place for them.  I have the domain name if you are interested.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 6, 2007 1:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are...
... in total agreement on so many things you delineate in your post, that it will take me more time to respond than I have at the moment - I'm off for an early round of golf.

I don't think more than one or two people are coming back to this post, so it may not or may be appropriate to take our discussion somewhere else.

Talk to you later.

by ufourya on Dec 6, 2007 7:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW - happy to discuss it somewhere else
up to Matty whether he has a place for such on this board.

and sorry for the rant.  that discussion just hit a nerve with me on so many levels.  :)

enjoy!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 6, 2007 1:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll respond here and guess...
...that no one other than you will notice.

"Communism is not evil, it is an ideology." I agree, but it is the implementation of the ideology that is evil. You mention that it works for small groups. That may be so because it is possible for small numbers to agree to the same thing. In sorting my way through all the information about `failed kibbutz,' I ran into this counter story:
 http://www.zeek.net/710kibbutz/
So your assertion appears to be correct for these groups and others that label themselves anarcho-socialists.
On the other hand, the Marxist-Leninist brand of communal paradise saw the need to expand this idea into a much larger arena than a few people who agree to join together.

The basic premise, I believe, is that in order to alleviate the poverty that one sees in the world and the capitalist system - remove the divide between the wealthy and the poorer classes - an attempt must be made to rectify the situation by those who feel deeply that this is an injustice. This cannot be immediately brought about by democratic means and revolution is necessary. The `workers' must join together and take power from the wealthy, divest them of their lands, businesses and wealth.  The product of all labor is then shared equally to the benefit of all (the original beautiful idea.)

That those who resist must be killed or imprisoned is a necessary evil, but once everyone agrees to cooperate, the result is paradise on earth. Well, everyone will share equally and there will be no favored classes. The vast majority of attempts to install this ideology, whatever one wishes to call it, have failed and the initial `necessary' purges never seem to end.

"The main problem with Communist ideology as a form of government is the age old problem of power and corruption. " I believe the problem has its origin deeper in the human make-up. Human nature cannot be changed by social programs or pogroms. You will never eliminate envy, greed, pride, etc. Elements of human nature cannot be bred out of the human.

  "Stalin usurped control after being granted it by the people, essentially creating a dictatorship.  Trotsky, a communist idealist opposed Stalin and was killed.  The Soviet Union, a military based dictatorship was born." A closer reading of history will reveal that the `people' started disappearing long before Stalin stared his monstrous dictatorship:
"Academic Marxism hardly even bothers to ask the question, except to play the usual good-cop, bad-cop routine: humane Lenin, evil Stalin, etc. But the failure of Marxism-Leninism goes deeper than its accidental betrayals. It is the ideology itself ... that contributed to the stupefying tally of 100 million violent deaths under the hammer and sickle -- the largest ideology-driven genocide in history. Mass murder, they point out with numbing archival thoroughness, was made the center of the revolutionary state in 1918, not 1931, and by 1920 Lenin had killed more people than 90 years of czarism combined. He was, of course, spectacularly outdone by subsequent "Marxist" dictators who thought history was on their side."  - This is from a review of "The Black Book of Communism."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674076087/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
The authors of the book list in 800 pages the crimes attributed to what they call Communists states. The carnage is horrific.
Another, much briefer iteration of the horror:
http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/history_communism.php
"Because many people during the McCarthy era had their lives ruined because they were affliated with, or accused of being affliated with, a communist organization." This is pretty much blown way out of proportion. I could ask you to name some. Please.
The FBI had accumulated the names of many persons who were known to be on Moscow's payroll. The Communist Party of the United States was funded by Moscow. There were, of course, many very fine people who joined the Party because they believed the Communist ideal of economic and class equality. They were free to do so. Indeed, as the Soviet Union was our `ally' during WWII, many of these same people entered government or were allowed to remain in positions of power and influence even though the FBI tried to alert the administration of the danger of espionage. Usually, however, the most dangerous individuals were not openly in the Communist Party, but `underground.'
Elizabeth Bentley and Whittaker Chambers were underground agents that ran espionage rings and broke with Stalin's `Communism' after having devoted years to the idealistic beliefs. The reality of the purges and evil that the Soviet state had become forced them to make difficult decisions. At the risk of themselves being killed, they decided they must inform on those whom they knew presented a danger to the government of the United States. Chambers gave a list of names to Adolph Berle, an assistant Secretary of State as early as 1938! Roosevelt ignored this. Indeed, Alger Hiss, named by Chambers was very influential in the administration, accompanying Roosevelt to Yalta and assumed great responsibility in forming the U.N. Chambers' book, "Witness," is a great read.
Those who saw the danger could not believe that spies on Moscow's payroll were allowed to continue in their offices for years after they had been accused. There were so many agents, sympathizers and fellow-travelers that they were able to cover for each other and, in many cases, squelch further inquiry. They were so well entrenched and respected that you will find them defended to this day by leftists.
 "Where there Soviet spies in the country? Sure! did we have spies in there country? Of course, it was all part of the game." This `game' was one that pitted one participant that would kill millions of innocent people to expand its power against one that valued freedom and liberty. Yes, one was free to join any organization one wished. When some members of that organization were committed to the overthrow of the government of the U.S., that `game' became rather serious to some lovers of our freedoms, some patriots. When those committed to championing an avowed enemy are in your own camp, its time to ask why, how long, how much damage have they done, and what can we do to root them out.
"The atmosphere of insecurity and fear created in the country was more undermining of our constitutional values than any good that possible came out of it." I decidedly disagree. The only fear created was in those who feared being caught. The vast majority of Americans was appalled that our government had been infiltrated and was delighted that something was being done about it.
While there are no laws against belief in this country, when belief actively turns to overthrowing the government, the laws are in place. If you couldn't sign a pledge to be loyal to our government, then you shouldn't be allowed to work in said government. If you actively produced propaganda for an enemy government, shouldn't you be questioned about your beliefs? These were dangerous times and certain measures were necessary. What McCarthy trials are you referring to? Who was being tried?
Here, from someone infinitely more literate and concise than I:
"The symbolic rite of passage for 20th century American liberals was the period they have succeeded in labeling the "McCarthy Era." If Republicans had been half as rhetorically astute, we would in all likelihood know this time by a different name, as "The Era of Soviet Infiltration." The end of the Cold War has almost universally vindicated the charges by Republicans in the late 1940s and 1950s that Soviet espionage agents occupied critically compromising positions in multiple agencies of the U.S. government and the military. Despite the villainization of Richard Nixon, his target Alger Hiss was, we now know, guilty. The Rosenbergs were guilty. FDR's Chief of Staff Harry Hopkins was, in all probability, guilty. Staggeringly important secrets were passed by American citizens to the Soviets, including plans for both the atom and hydrogen bombs. There is simply no way to deny the truth that the communist conspiracy claimed by the Republicans did, in fact, exist and was consistently denied, dismissed, or provided cover for by the Democratic party.

Nevertheless, the liberal/left elite in this country has succeeded in perpetuating a dramatic myth that is flatly contradicted by the facts. The anti-communist crusade of Joseph McCarthy, by reason of its impoliteness and its incompetence, has become the secular Passion of liberalism, its sanctifying crucifixion, the basis of its arrogant, continuing, and utterly unjustified claims of moral superiority over the conservative opposition. (Lest you regard this as overstatement, please read "The Crucible," Arthur Miller's play about the McCarthyism of the 17th century Salem witchcraft trials -- as we all know, there were no witches/communists . . .) We are supposed to overlook the enormity of the fact that at the very dawn of the nuclear age, American citizens conspired to transfer the deadliest technology ever developed to the mortal enemies of their country. This terrifying event is supposed to pale beside the prospect of a Hollywood screenwriter whose career was damaged by his membership in the 'party' that led the conspiracy. It doesn't -- except in the minds of those who have never quite understood, and probably never will -- the sickening, murderous evil that was the Soviet communist state.

Yet the Democrats won the word war. The term 'McCarthyism' entered the language and has been kept vigorously and determinedly alive. It is, by usage, synonymous with fascism, because it has come to mean the ruthless persecution and demonization of an imaginary enemy for purely political purposes. And ever since the great Democrat Passion of the 1950s, this word has been hurled at every concerted Republican attempt to uncover any kind of wrongdoing in the left/liberal establishment." R.F. Laird, excerpt from:
http://www.instapunk.com/archives/InstaPunkArchiveV2.php3?a=1045
"It was hurtful when we interned the Japanese Americans, ...and it is hurtful no with the prisoners held without due process in Guantanamo...
.........and what people don't seem to realize is that the people that are most hurt, are us. "
I agree wholeheartedly that American citizens interned by the Roosevelt administration were absolutely wronged. I was born in an internment camp. That was wrong because my civilian family was interned simply because of our nationality and where we were. That was wrong and the Japanese internment was worse, since they were in many cases citizens - a true abuse of the Constitution, in my opinion.
However, prisoners in Guantanamo are prisoners of war and no country in history holding prisoners of war during a conflict felt any compunction to release them to fight again while the conflict was ongoing. So this is total BS.
I am in complete agreement that government has become too intrusive, too large and has gotten away with murder both figuratively and literally (Waco and the Branch Davidians.) That is why I am probably more drawn to libertarian views than other political persuasions. I also live in Texas, where some semblance of individual autonomy still obtains.
Hey, I had fun. Thanks for allowing my rant.
P.S. I had a less than sterling round of golf. As is often the case, however, I discovered something I had been missing in my swing on the 17th hole - too late to save the disaster - I barely broke 90.
Take care.

by ufourya on Dec 7, 2007 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eloquent and verbose as usual!
and that is not intended in any sort of derogatory fashion. :)

While I respect your viewpoint, and understand that it is well thought out, sincere, and passionate, I am compelled to disagree in general with the overall premise that the ends justify the means.

We seem to agree in general regarding the essence of Communism as an ideal, and the flaws inherent in attempting to use it as a form of large scale government.

But I disagree with your attempt to represent the term "Communist" as synonymous with "Soviet spy".

While there was, undoubtedly" much espionage taking place between the two countries at the time, all communists were not soviet spies.  But the bigger picture, is that once you are able to effectively interchange two disparate terms seemlessly in the minds of the people over time, they become synonymous.
~The only fear created was in those who feared being caught.~
I disagree.  I think once the term communist became synonymous with "soviet spy", anyone questioned fell under a cloud of suspicion from friends, neighbors, employers, etc.  Being "suspected" of being a communist was no trivial thing, regardless of whether or not it proved to be false in the end.

Just a couple of other quick thoughts, and I need to run:

  • funny you mentioned the Salem witchcraft trials, as I was going to use that in my argument as well. :)  You know, there is a theory that those trials had a political agenda behind them, and they ceased abruptly when either the agenda had been completed or the people in power were threatened.  Sorry I don't have a reference source for you right now, but I'm sure you are either already aware of this, or can find references to it easily enough, if interested.
  • I disagree with you about Gitmo.  How do you know who is there?  How can you generically say, if we suspect you are a terrorist, we will send you to Gitmo, and you are now a POW?  How do you know where they came from or if they were captured in an armed conflict?  I think it is a convenient way for the US government to circumvent due process requirements.  You could be right, but I don't think you or anyone but the US government knows for sure, and that is a pretty scary thought in and of itself.
Cheers!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2007 3:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll try...
... and be brief. McCarthy presided over no trials. He was the chairman of a Senate committee that held hearings for a couple of years. These hearings called in persons who worked in our government and military. No persons were called in to answer questions who were merely members of the Party and did not hold government jobs. His efforts brought to the attention of the American people just how vulnerable we were to our enemy, the Soviet government. In light of what we know now, we should thank him rather than continue to villianize him.

Being a Communist is still not a crime in this country. You will find more courses taught in our universities about Marx by Marxists than you will about Western Civilization.

It is curious that movies are still being made in Hollywood about the imagined victims of 'McCarthyism' and yet none about the 100 million real victims of the perverted ideology of Marxist-Leninism. Just sayin.'

Enjoyed it. I guess all this points to the fact that there isn't a lot I want to talk about concerning my beloved Dolphins. A win would help. If not, I'm waiting til the draft rolls around.

Cheers. Now if I can just remember that one swing-thought next time out. :)

by ufourya on Dec 7, 2007 8:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah... it's sad when your season
is over in November.  Makes for a long boring offseason.  :)

Hopefully free agency will be interesting.

If what you say is correct, regarding the hearings only restricted to government and military employees, that is something I did not know, and certainly creates a more appropriate subset of individuals to scrutinize.  I have never done much independent research into the subject, since it really hasn't been a topic of particular interest, until now.  I will look in to it.

I have been thinking (thinking and getting around to it are two different things:) about putting up a blog for these types of discussions.  I have several different domain names, centered around the idea of venting about what bugs you.  If I ever get a round tuit, I will let you know. :)

I have enjoyed our conversation.  thank you.
Keep posting! :)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 8, 2007 1:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, thanks!
Dear fellow phins fans,
I ought a heartfelt thank to everyone on this board who spared a time to read and reply to my post.
It was my first one on this board and I would have never dreamt of such a response, agreement or disagreement aside.

That said, I've been a player and a coach myself and I usually tend to cut a lot of slack to an embattled coach. Even in this case, if the Phins had reaped just a miserable pair of wins, I wouldn't be calling for the coach/gm head.

But, hey, a winless season is a historical event and requires historical measures. I mean, the coach/gm would have to go just for the PR implications of keeping the only coach/gm duo that supervised history in the making.

We can agree or disagree on the many moves that brought the dolphins here, it's all fair game, but  if I'm the owner the only thing that may save this odd couple would be a couple of wins before season's end. Not likely but still possible.

About the single moves, I know it's a matter of opinions, but I'd like to elaborate a bit on a couple of points:

#1 Welker: of course he wouldn't be posting the same numbers in Miami but he was filling up 3 positions (3rd WR, KR, PR) and pretty effectively too. And, most importantly, keeping him would have removed any thought of drafting Ginn at 9. So now we'd have Welker AND Okoye (or maybe even -gulp!- Brady Quinn). So it's not the numbers but rather the implications: Welker was a perfect player to lay a foundation upon, an inspirational in its improbability success story. And, they say they like good kids and they let one of the best go?

#2 Porter: sure it's opinable and JP can even become effective -next year- but why give him a ton of money instead resigning another respected veteran like Kevin Carter, at much less?

by toscana jones on Dec 4, 2007 4:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welker was, by FAR...
the single most dependable player on the offense, and arguably on the squad (taking into account JT and Zach).

However, he is a #3 guy, and Chambers was not a true #1 guy, so we would still have been a good, starting WR short.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 4, 2007 1:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um, What?
Welker was a perfect player to lay a foundation upon, an inspirational in its improbability success story.

That's like saying David Eckstein is the perfect player to rebuild a baseball franchise around.  I like Davey.  Love his effort.  Heckuva kid.  But the foundation of a franchise?  Not so much.

by urbino on Dec 5, 2007 12:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK
Chambers and Mcmike havent done shit this year and they wouldnt be of any help, neither would Welker.
I'm getting a little annoyed with people continuing to overhype those 3.

by Patssuck456 on Dec 4, 2007 10:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cam needs to go...
I don't think Cam lost this game, but he still needs to get fired.  I am sick of this coach.  There is no excuse why the Dolphins should be 0-12.  Even Wanny would of put together a few wins.  The Dolphins should cut there losses and get rid of Cam.  Get Marty Schottenheimer this offseason and get this organization back on its feet!  Marty is a proven head coach in the NFL and is exactly what this team needs.  

by TheSeaMammals on Dec 3, 2007 9:01 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can we please stop
suggesting that we fire Cam and hire Schottenhiemer?
Schottenheimer had two good seasons at San Diego, none in Washington and yeah he was consistent in KC  but I don't seem to recall him ever going to a Superbowl.

by Enhalo on Dec 3, 2007 6:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can Cam....
it is that simple. Come the end of the season give him a one way ticket out of town.

The man is showing to be completely over his head and beyond his ken.

It is one thing to want stability in the coaching position, but you have to have something good in your coach. Stability for its own sake with a very poor coach only ensures continuity in losing and underachieving.

I don't want to hear anymore of the 'he needs time', 'give him a break' rubbish. Give him time to do what? Learn to call pass plays more than 10 yards down the line? Go 0-16?

In a home game, which the dolphins were favored, they were absolutely out-played and out-coached in every phase of the game.

Unacceptable, simply inexcusable.

Fire Cam.

by Natalya on Dec 3, 2007 9:59 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?
Why fire Cam? Do any of you stop to realize what he's working with? And like Matty said earlier, it's not Cam who's out there missing assignments (cough* liewenski cough*) and missing tackles. We have a rookie center, a rookie QB, a rookie WR, our starting RB is hurt and Chatman didn't look all that healthy Sunday, Thomas has been out for ever, our secondary is just limping by with injuries, and we have zero homegrown draft picks from 1998 to '03. Who in their right mind can do well and get us "5 wins by now" like others claim? So maybe Cam could do better, and I would agree, he's far from perfect. But he's a new coach who doesn't have an offensive coordinator so he's multitasking with a team that's  already a mess. And guess who gave us this mess? Wanny and Saban. At least Cam had the balls to trade Chambers and take the flak for it. For how long now have we all complained about not having all of our draft picks? Well guess what, Cam has gotten us more than his predecessors ever did.

by Enhalo on Dec 3, 2007 6:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Finally...
some intelligence on this comment board.

by The Dude on Dec 3, 2007 7:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really? Intelligence?
You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

You seem to think it means, "in agreement with your opinion".

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 7:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No...
it means I think I finally found someone with reasoned thinking here.

And I think if you were going to take a shot at someone, you'd use a better reference than Princess Bride.

But I suppose that is the depth of you....

by The Dude on Dec 3, 2007 8:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Princess Bride is a classic...
but if you prefer, I can do Blazing Saddles... and it wasn't intended to be a shot.  It is simply the truth, and you, quite frankly, have just reaffirmed it in your response.  In spite of the fact that there are MANY well thought out, rational posts on this blog, the only ones you refer to as intelligent are the ones that agree with your viewpoint.  That is not intelligent, per se, it is seeking consensus.  There are many other intelligent posts from people with "reasoned thinking" that just happen to disagree with you. (Of course there are some left field irrational rants as well, but ya gotta take the good with the bad.)

You can suppose all you want as to my "depth", but regardless of your conclusions, one thing's certain... the dude abides.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 4, 2007 2:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just posted part of this above, but
I read in one of the articles about the interview process, that Cam told Wayne that he expected to make it to the playoffs this year, with last years 6-10 team, with a good offseason and a good draft.

Now it may be true that we need better talent, but part of the head coach job is to evaluate the team and assemble the necessary talent.

Some of the stuff, like injuries, was unplanned and needs to be accounted for, but again, head coaches job.  Belichick did it a couple of years ago when the Pats were decimated by injuries and he was pulling in noname guys like Gay and playing Brown both ways.  He found a way to remain competitive.

Liwienski?  Coulda seen that one comin.  How bout takin care of that during the offseason?  The pay all that money for Porter, when they assumed the D was solid, but lowballed the O-line that everyone knew was a problem.

Saban and Wannys mess?? are you kidding?  maybe you could blame them on the lack of good draft picks in the past, but Cameron took over a 6-10 team, in fair cap shape, with all free agency and the draft to work with and a number 9 draft choice.  This is Cameron's mess, and the only thing that is not clear is the part Mueller had in it.  I suspect without Mueller it would have been MUCH worse.

Why fire Cam???!!!  

Because Cam did not do a very good job, given all of the resources he had to work with, and past performance is the best indicator of future behavior.  

The sheer laws of probability would seem to indicate that anyone! Cam included! would do better next year, since you can hardly do much worse.  But how much better?  4-12?  5-11?  Crap man, I wouuld rather see someone who is NOT Cam come in and go 5-11 his first year.

You bet your ass, that if Cam were to come back for a 2nd year, now having 2 full offseasons, including a #1 draft pick, and a 2nd year QB, with a 2nd year line, and the team having two years under his system, YOU BET YOUR ASS I am expecting 8-8!  I am expecting a seriously competitive team.  Because I don't buy the argument that this year was 0-16, and so next year it would be reasonable to expect, and be happy with 4-12.  

Because no matter how bad he screwed up this year, you would expect any coach (measured as successful) to be able to go into any team, with two years FA and drafts, to turn a team around and make them competitive.

So fire him!  Get him out of here and get someone else in.  Let someone else come in and lead the team to 5-11 as his first year, so I have some hope that the second year we will be competitive.  Because I don't see us being much better than that in Cam's second year, best case.  And that is unsat for a two year plan, starting with a 6-10 team.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And by the way....
just whose fault is it that he doesn't have an OC, and just how intelligent is that to take on if you already have your hands full with a big mess?

Right now, Cam has gotten us zip, zilch, nada, zero, a big fat goose egg.  If you are referring to the draft, give Cam credit for selecting Ginn with the 1st pick.  Other than that, I would guess Mueller did most of the talent evaluating.  I don't even think Cam was at the senior bowl.  He was on vacation.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 7:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
that it's totally Cam's fault for not hiring an OC. He obviously doesn't trust anyone to do the job as good as he can which hopefully he will revist that stance in the offseason. And Wanny's and Saban's mess? Yes. It's their fault this team has no depth and if all of the starters are healthy we are better than 0-12. Remember at the beginning of the season when we were putting up more than 30 points a game? Do I think we'll be playoff contenders next year? I sure as heck do.

by Enhalo on Dec 3, 2007 8:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lorenzo Booker Sighting
is said like it should be a rare event.

That 3 plays by Chatman where he got nothing was where we could have taken the game.

by Beck4Mercy on Dec 3, 2007 10:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cam
Looks like cam was right that Beck wasn't ready to start.  Guess the fans were wrong about that one.  Maybe we should learn that NFL people are NFL people, and we're just fans.

by Gliddog on Dec 3, 2007 12:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THE GAME...
        I am 99% sure of this for next year.  It's almost like taxes.  Whether we like it or not, whether it's right or wrong, Head Coach Cam Cameron will be there next year AND John Beck will be the starting Quarterback.
    Like I've been saying for the past couple -- three weeks, they NEED a Running Back.  I'm with "s55ean", we need a "stud" at running back and that "stud" is Darren McFadden in next year's draft.  Like s55ean said, `... Cam's offensive system begins and ends with the running back...'
    Reading of how our TE position has been doing (don't get any Dolphins coverage where I am), it sounds like this is another area of concern.  Would a double TE set help against the blitz?  How about this in free agency -- L.J. Smith, TE, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles?
    But I'm still on the running back situation, either through the draft or free agency.  How would it be to have Brown AND McFadden, WOW?  Then move Lorenzo into a slot receiver ala Wes Welker against linebackers.  But what do I know.  I'm not a coach, but it's sure nice to fantasize.........

PS: don't take any of this personal.  Life has much more value than that.  Miami is hosting the burial ceremonies for Sean Taylor.  May God bless his family and friends during this time of grieving.

by Alpha6 on Dec 3, 2007 1:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well Said
Alpha brings up a good point (and puts things in perspective).  McFadden is the best player in this draft.  It would be difficult to pass that up, regardless of need.  It's difficult to swallow given Brown and his contract, but is it the best thing for this team?

I really like the Booker to slot rec. comment.  I suggested this to a few Dolphin fans in my office and we all thought it was intruiging.  If he's quick and shifty but can't run between the tackles, make him a Welker.

by Gliddog on Dec 3, 2007 1:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ronnie is here to stay...period
drafting mcfadden would be BIG mistake people.  Ronnie Brown is just coming out of his shell and it would take a rookie running back at LEAST a year to fit in and make a big impact.  lets not handicap the one position that was really working for us before ronnie's injury.

everyone wants the next adrian petterson but that is the BIG exception to the rule.  look at reggie bush... he was an animal in college but has been above average at best so far in the NFL.

and lets put things into perspective.  Ronnie Brown has been out for, what, 6 or 7 weeks now?  Well he is STILL a top ten fantasy back in terms of points put up, at least in my league.  Ronnie is a beast.

if we are in a position to draf mcfadden we can always trade down and get two first round picks... or we can actually address our aging defense.

by JeffT on Dec 3, 2007 2:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you serious?
All Ronnie did this year was prove that he is a monster when some people block for him. McFadden is good, but that ties up $13 million/yr in RBs. Clearly if you have a good O-Line you can throw anyone back there to run it (W.Parker,S.Morris in NE,anyone from DEN in the 90's).

They need to trade down to someone like Oakland who wants McFadden and pick up a C.Long, J.Long, or Dorsey and a couple extra picks.

Nick Riehl

by nicholasriehl on Dec 3, 2007 2:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Picking up
Dorsey or Long suggests we're a player or two away from winning. WE'RE NOT. This team will be picking in the top 10 for the next 2 to 3 years at the very least. We have NO playmakers on offense. No game-breakers. McFadden is a game-breaker. Look at what Peterson is doing in Minnesota. Forget Dorsey and all these damn band-aids that won't change a thing. This team needs game-breakers at the skills position. Since we'll be picking high every year, we need to take the best, most talented players every single time. McFadden is not just another RB. The guy is a stud and a half. He's better than Ronnie and will instantly be the best player we've had on this roster since Dan Marino or Ricky Williams (when he was doing well for us).

by The Dude on Dec 3, 2007 3:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ronnie
Ronnie Brown is one of, if not my favorite player on the Miami Dolphins.  He is a beast, and we finally showing it this season before the injury.  So don't get me wrong about drafting another RB, but if he could significantly improve the offense, we should look into it.  More gamebreaking ability would really help.

As for trading out of the first spot, recent history is not on our side.  Jimmie Johnson screwed us on that with his draft value board.  That and the $ involved with a #1 pick...This league needs to take a page from the NBA book on paying rookies.  If Mueller can somehow manage to trade down, I would jump all over it, but that seems unlikely.  So at that point, do you take the best available, or based on needs?  So much will change between now and April, but it's interesting conversation.  But don't get me wrong, I hear exactly where you are coming from with respect to RB's.

by Gliddog on Dec 3, 2007 3:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK...
but... Sedrick Ellis, Andre Flullen, Frank Okam, Demario Presley... these are all great defensive tackles that could be taken in the 2nd round. A McFadden falls in your lap, you have to grab him.  

by The Dude on Dec 3, 2007 5:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, no one suggested we are a player away
We have so many holes on this team, it will take several drafts to rebuild.  But did you see the game last night?  Or most of the games this year?
We couldn't stop a 2nd string running back, behind a 2nd string O-line!
I am not going to argue about whether Ronnie is a great running back or not.  But I will state with conviction that he is serviceable.  I will also state that RB is one of the easiest positions to fill with a serviceable player.  Serviceable to me means, 1000+ yds, ~4 ypc/avg, can catch, and behind an average line.
McFadden will probably be a beast, and will tear it up.  Would I like to see him as a Fin?  Sure!
But when I look at the team, I see much greater needs!  
If McFadden is a 10 on a scale of 1-10, and let's say Adrian P, and LT are also 10s... then let's put Ronnie at a 7.  Health is a concern, but if he makes it through a season, he is easily 1200 yds, even if our line doesn't improve. So you could argue he might place higher, but I don't think you can put him much lower.

I see places on this team where our starters, on the same scale, rate a 1, 2, or 3.  How can that be on a pro team?  I can't understand it, but look at DT, CB, TE, WR.  

And that isn't even discussing the big question marks... what happens when JT retires?  And what do we do about LB?  Even if JP steps up for another year and Zach comes back for another year, do you really think Crowder is the guy to count on?  And who else?  And our O-line is not as good as people keep saying....  they are just surprising everyone that they are better than was expected.  We could still use an upgrade at both guard and tackle.

So assuming Ginn is a starter, where do we have another playmaker at wideout?  And as bad as that is, drafting a WR with the #1 pick wouldn't solve the problem in the short term, because any WR not named Calvin Johnson would probably take year or so to develop.  Besides, I believe we should be able to take care of WR and CB in free agency, at least enough to replace a #2 or 3 ranked guy with a #6 or 7 ranked guy.  Not great, but a step up.

But Traylor is done, and who do we have in line to replace him?  Soliai?  If Rod Wright develops, he could be a DT/DE, but he is not the guy.  The only reason I like Dorsey this year is BECAUSE we are NOT a player or two away.  He is the one guy in the draft that will improve the run D, and the pass D, make our DEs look better, make our LBs look better, and give us a chance to win with an Offense that can only score 17 pts.

Our offense needs help... hell, it need life support!  And yes, Beck is suffering from the lack of a running back right now.  But I think if you put McFadden back there right now, behind this line, with our current TEs and WRs, and the current play calling, he would not do much better than Ronnie did.  Even he would not be able to beat a D keying off of him,and knowing that he was the only threat.  And even if he is the stud you are talking about, and can singlehandedly put up 30pts a game, we still lose because our D can't stop anyone and the other team scores 40!  Even if we got a McFadden, we would still need a Dorsey.  And I believe we are going to need a Dorsey next year or our defense will be worse than it is this year... as hard as that might be to imagine.

If Ronnie and Ricky make it back next year, we pick up a road grading guard, and a decent blocking/good pass catching TE, and for &$%^& sake, go out and buy another VERY good WR, we would have the pieces to run an effective offense.  

Of course we still need someone to call the right plays, but the pieces would be there.
:)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 4:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All very good points
AGREED!! Finally someone is making some logical points on this freaking message board. The fact that we are so many players away is more reason to look to trade down. Even if we don't get the exact points on the draft board, everyone should realize that this is a deep draft but lacks the C.Johnson/J.Russell/C.Palmer at the top of the board.
Nick Riehl

by nicholasriehl on Dec 3, 2007 6:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know
that we need help at DT. There are plenty of DT to take in this draft. No matter who we draft this year, we're still going to suck next year too. So the point is to horde the best players we can get via the draft. McFadden is on par with the Calvin Johnsons of the world -- a sure fire stud who will make an impact on any offense. Will he take us to the playoffs right away? Of course not. So next year, when we're picking in the top 5 again, we take the best available player again. Until eventually, we have a team of studs and game breakers. The problem we keep having as a team is we keep drafting or signing guys who amount to a band-aid. We're this bad because we lack great players. Trading down won't work because it's unrealistic to expect a fair amount in return unless someone goes Mike Ditka on us and hands us their entire draft.

Besides that, Glen Dorsey is dealing with back and leg problems. He's a great player. But he's not the answer. Not for us anyway.

by The Dude on Dec 3, 2007 7:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It could certainly be argued either way...
but I think if you can trade down and get two lower 1st rounders, you do that.  No question.

I believe your argument about a Dorsey pick being a "one or two players away" pick applies to McFadden.  Not that McFadden wouldn't be a stud, just that I think at this point, he is a luxury we can't afford until we fill most of the other holes.  New England didn't build their team around top 5 picks. But they did get a bunch of good guys like Maroney, the got lucky with Brady, they solidified their Dline with Seymore, Warren, and Wilfork, and then signed everyone else from us.  :)

Check this out, the only #1 draft picks (acquired through the draft, not FA) on their roster today:
Maroney -RB(21st overall)
Meriweather -S (24th)
Wilfork -DT (21st)
Seymore -DT (6th)
Ty Warren -DE/DT(13th)
Ben Watson -TE (32nd)
Mankins -G (32nd)

Now aside from the obvious fact that if we had not squandered our past draft picks, we would have some other #1 picks playing on our roster beside Allen, Ginn, and Brown, the thing that really stands out is that other than Seymore and Warren, the rest of these guys are late 1st rounders, and the balance of the squad is made up of guys drafted in later rounds or FAs.  

Out of these 7 guys, most are not at the "skill positions" you talk about.  They are mostly linemen of one sort or another.

If I am going to copy anyone's blueprint for success, it would have to be the Pats.

We can agree to disagree.  The draft is a long time away and can't get here soon enough.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question
If Wayne knows he's going to fire Cam at the end of the season, does he ask him to step down? If he does this, Capers takes over and maybe the team responds to him. Especially the leaders on D.
Matt

by Matt27 on Dec 3, 2007 2:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt...
if cam were fired and capers installed as interim coach from here till the end of the season, then I would bet the players would respond.

Not that they'd suddenly beat NE, but the rift in the locker room that's emerging, would be healed or at least bandaged.

by Natalya on Dec 3, 2007 2:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wayne fire Cam?!
NEVER. Whay should he? This isn't Cameron's fault. Its gotta be the injuries? NO, it's the players not making plays? No, it's the previous administrations. No, It's the field. Damn it, I'm running out of excuses.

Theres gotta be more out there though. There is no way it could be a rookie HC fault. Ya know the one who calls time-out when the refs were gonna stop the clock anyway for a measurement.The one with very questionable play-calling. The one that doesn't know when to start playing his rookie QB. The one (which others claimed that he still has the locker room and they were still playing hard for), that a certain player said he "wouldn't lose any sleep over Cam's job security"

There has gotta be another excuse.

sarcasm

by Neo on Dec 3, 2007 2:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know, I know...
it is due to global warming, paris hilton, terrorism, or a shift in the earth's magnetic field.

by Natalya on Dec 3, 2007 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The sad truth about coaching
This has been a colossal failure from one week to the next, and as much as I would love to have Cam stay as the Offensive coordinator and QB coach...this season is lost not just due to the play on the field. There is a lack of preparedness that resonates with every snap. There is a lack of motivation that is most evident whenever this team's defense takes the field after the offense having somehow managing to claim the lead in a game. Has this team ever scored and then held a lead? Some guys were just not meant to be head coaches, they excel as coordinators and that's where they peak. Norv Turner, Dave Wannstedt, Chan Gailey....this just isn't Cam's calling. Any coach worth his salt....ANY one...would have "willed" a win by now. If Miami intends to retain Cam Cameron...I would highly suggest going the route that they did for Jimmy Johnson and getting a proven assistant head coach...Like Marty Schottenheimer. I know Cam inherited a mess...but he has had enough pieces to put something together. Who knows? Maybe a win will change people's minds about Cam (the doubters, I mean), but at this point...well, we're looking at a long process that's only going to get longer unless something drastic happens. Hey...he's been nay-saying it, but Cowher is still out there. I bet he'd have this same team just outside of 5 wins right now.

by mikem1224 on Dec 3, 2007 2:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can someone just answer one question?
How the hell does Lance Schulters lead the team in tackles for that game?

And he didn't even get in the game until partway through the second quarter!

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 2:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PAIN!!
Just pain!!
and for the Cowher idea, is been said, thet he is going to SD, if SD don't win the SB, so forget about the Cowher idea.
So that leave us with ** MORE PAIN**
Have nothing else to say. Speechless, demoralize, etc Just don't get it, how come we are so under the ground. Hc'ing is not only problem, this is greater than that. I don't know were the HistOry anf PRIED of been a Dolphins has gone. This looks like a place to collect your check AND ENJOY THE F*** SUN.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(20 years and counting)

by Aleta on Dec 3, 2007 3:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not even sure what side you arguing..
and in response to the bit about cowher-- what are you basing that off of?
The Jayfiss Report ...one fan's rants.

by NumberSeven on Dec 3, 2007 4:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My 2 cents
First of all I don't get to see the Dolphins play and I'm to cheap to buy NFL Total access so I just have to go on what I hear on the radio and what you all have to say.

When Beck was at BYU he did seem to overthrow his receivers on the real deep passes.  I wonder if they could work on his mechanics or get him to take another one or two steps back on his drop before he throws the bomb.

Also I think he is going to have problems so long as the other team knows he is the only viable weapon the Dolphins have on offense.  It would be nice if the runners could get more then 2 yards per carry.  And they are going to have to get him some proctection so he doesn't get killed.

What do you all make of the story out there that there are selfish people on the team and that they don't seem to care if they win or not?  Do you think that they aren't really trying to win or who do you all think is the problem when it comes to the attitude.

by midwayrider on Dec 3, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cameron
I still hope that he is given another year, but if he goes, I won't put up a fight anymore.

The first couple of losses were tough to take, but hey the Dolphins are just starting off slow.  New line, new QB, the defense can't really be this bad.

Then it became acceptable to lose because the Dolphins are officially rebuilding.  But hey, look at the bright spots, the o-line is improving, John Beck had zero turnovers, Ted Ginn is the fastest man alive.

Finally the should win game came along and someone forgot to tell the Dolphins.  40-13.  Zero TDs in three games for Beck.

Now dissension comes to Miami and another reason to support Cam is gone.  He has to get this team back together.  That's it.

by Mindtornado on Dec 3, 2007 4:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reposting this here, since it's related
In all of the years I have been a Dolphins
fan, I have never felt as hopeless as I do today.  Even during '04, when Wanny stepped down, I felt like something good would come from it.

In all fairness, the people that are saying things like "See, Cam was right.  Beck's not ready." are full of crap.

Beck may not be ready to handle all of the mistakes and mismanagement thrown his way, but he also was not the sole reason the Dolphins lost.  The two times that he got blindsided and fumbled should never have happened, and we all expected some picks when Cam finally decided to let him throw the ball.  But who expected that the Dolphins would not be able to block or run the ball?  I mean seriously, this was a game planning problem from before the first snap.  

I know we have had bad luck at RB, and I thought they did pretty good to get Lorenzo involved, but what the hell???... Cam goes from running to much, to putting it all on Beck.  The Jets know we can't run, and we can't block the blitz.  When we do get a break and have a chance to mix it up, early enough in the game to play with a little bit of cajones, he runs three times in a row.

I am really torn on this one, because I blame this whole mess on Cameron... but the reality is that he did a little better play calling... not much... but he took some chances.  And he has no running game, which is still his fault because they should have been working on this problem since Tuesday morning.... But he did cut beck loose... sort of... and that was good... but then he set him up to fail by predictable and non-responsive play calling!  

I was asking for change, stating that Cameron continues to do the same thing, make the same mistakes, and get the same results.  WELL... I sure saw change last night!  But what the hell???

I am just left feeling that Cam has no ability to adjust during a game, no feel for recovering from mishaps, no talent for solving the problems from week to week, like the running game.

I know Cam did not lose this game by himself, but he was outcoached.  The Jets came in ready, and they overcame their mistakes, adapted their plan, and walked out with the win.

He may be able to grow, and change, and fail forward fast at something, but I seriously don't believe he has the talent to be a head coach.  I also think his college record is probably a more accurate reflection of the man's ability than the record the Chargers had while he was the OC.

But he DID try to do something different.  He did try to let Beck play, and make up for the lack of the running game, and for that I have a small amount of respect for him.  I also actually feel bad for him because the whole team blew it yesterday.  Our reserve Safety is our leading tackler?  That sure ways something about our defense, regardless of INTs or sacks.  Arrrggh... I hate saying anything positive about Cam right now, but I think, just in light of what he had to work with, he called a better game... not good enough, but marginally better.  But he did not plan well enough, teach well enough, prepare his team well enough leading up to the game.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 3, 2007 6:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point...
can we using the word rebuilding and call it what having cam as coach has really equated to:

humiliation

by Natalya on Dec 3, 2007 7:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I admit it! I have a problem!
I just don't know what to do about it.  Isn't there someone we can call that takes care of these sorts of things?

;)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you defend...
...the indefensible?  I've been pleading patience and a sense of perspective for months now, but even I don't have anything to say after yesterday's game.  There was no gameplan, no strategy, nothing that showed we had seen this team before and knew what to expect and how to prepare.

The injuries, the rookie QB...I don't think any of that plays into it at this point in the season in your second go-round against a bad team at home.  Anybody with an ounce of football sense knows that Beck is going to have games like this...I just wish it had happened six or seven weeks ago so that he would be a little further up the learning curve by now.

I'm not jumping on the FireCamWagon...I still feel that's a step backward.  But for Dolphin fans, a Jets game is the closest thing we have to an age-old college rivalry (For you Jets fans reading this: College is the school that comes after high school.  Some people like to do this instead of spending the rest of their lives in their parents' basements and/or selling stolen jewelry out of the trunks of their cars.).  An outcome like yesterday's is simply unacceptable.  More disturbing, however, is the reports of frustration and mutiny from the locker room.  That is Kotite-esque and has me very worried.  Very worried, indeed.

Go Dolphins.

P.S.  If you can't trade down from that number one spot (Priority One), then you take the best player available (Priority Two) and that player is McFadden.  Plus, Dorsey's back concerns me.  He's been getting shoved around by lesser talent for the past several weeks.  Back problems in massive guys like that don't just go away.  That's my two cents.

by lancelotlink on Dec 3, 2007 7:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

positive thinking
http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/11/possibilities-for-miamis-first-overall.html

I'd like to just focus my energy on thinking about draft stategy. I realllly like Armando's scenario where we give our #1 to dallas for theier 2 first rounders (clevelands and their own), a 3rd rounder, and a 2009 first rounder.

He claims that Jerry jones, an Arkansas alumni might pay top dollar for him. I would absolutely LOVE this deal for the phins. We would then add 4 more potential players that we wouldnt have to pay 30$ mill gauarunteed money to. This years draft not star studded at the top, there is no clear #1, ifw we can somehow pull this off I would vote Mueller GM of the year.

by YatilGinnJr on Dec 3, 2007 7:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be awesome
If Mueller pulled that off. Besides, Ronnie Brown is a monster.

by Enhalo on Dec 3, 2007 8:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft talk
Just so you all know, I've avoided making any in-depth draft posts so far because I'm holding off until after the season for that. We'll have a lot of slow times once the regular season is over, so I'm saving the draft alk till then. So don't think I'm just avoiding the topic, guys. We'll have plenty of time to talk draft.

But just to throw in my early 2 cents, I'm not really that big of a fan of trading the #1 pick to Dallas only because we wouldn't pick until like picks 16-20 and then again in the late 20s or even 30th or 31st. That's not worth it. Yes, we need quantity, but trading out of the top 10 is a bad idea. We also need to get superior talent.

As for McFadden, I'm not totally opposed to drafting him if we stay at #1. But I'll hold off on that talk for now.

by Matty I on Dec 3, 2007 9:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matty, face it, the season is over bud.
:)

i posted this above, but when talking about talent in the top 5, and not trading down, this is how the Pats do it.

Check this out, the only #1 draft picks (acquired through the draft, not FA) on their roster today:
Maroney -RB(21st overall)
Meriweather -S (24th)
Wilfork -DT (21st)
Seymore -DT (6th)
Ty Warren -DE/DT(13th)
Ben Watson -TE (32nd)
Mankins -G (32nd)

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Armando is...
... a less than a bright light when it comes to football knowledge. In fact, I refuse to read him anymore.

I know that draft value charts are not scientifically perfect, but what AS suggests would not equal the value of this year's number one pick.

I agree with the Dude that this runner is the butter, but if we don't take him, we'll need more than what Sourguido thinks will work to trade down. I think Mueller would LIKE to trade down since we have so many holes, but as we learned when Ronnie was our number two, wanting to and getting it done are two different things.

by ufourya on Dec 3, 2007 9:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft trade
Well, if you ask me, I'd pull that deal for MUCH less: Dallas 2 1st round picks would do it for me.
maybe some swaps and extra day2 picks, maybe.
But the Phins are so hungry for players that negating ANY deal that would give them 2 1st round picks would be just dumb.

by toscana jones on Dec 4, 2007 5:00 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is why...
... no one will be asking you.

http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

As you can see from the chart, Dallas' two first round picks are equal to about the 6th pick in the draft. If Mueller made that trade, even his supporters here would question his sanity. The detractors' brains would explode. So, on second thought, it might not be a bad idea :)

by ufourya on Dec 4, 2007 12:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he was saying the two 1sts and
some other, lesser, swap.

That damned draft value chart...damn JJ!

There is actually a very logical alternate way of evaluating draft picks.  I alluded to it in other posts by using the Pats last 7 #1 picks as an example, but there is a lot to it for a quick post.  I will post a diary, and you can read it if you are interested, but suffice to say that it is possible/probable, that the two Dallas 1st round picks will have much more value than our #1, despite the traditional value chart.

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 4, 2007 2:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get rid of the old...
regime, there the ones holding back this team.  Ever heard the expression "Can't teach and old dog new tricks", well there are old dogs on this team and it's time to put them a sleep.  They are just there to collect the money.  Yeah I'm talking to you Jason, its not because you are MVP last year that you get a free pass.  Keep the stupid comments to yourself instead throwing your team mates under the bus to save yourself.  Has anybody noticed that no younger players are bitching about anything, they are still hungry and want to play.  Except for Thomas who is the true leader of this team, lied about his injury to continue to play.  They got rid of alot of overpriced players who are still not producing this year.  That was Step 1, Step 2 finish the job Cam , in with the new !

by sportssaga on Dec 4, 2007 1:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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