0-13...a new low
After watching today's disgusting performance, most Dolphin fans are left to wonder when this team will hit rock bottom. I say that because just when you think they've hit rock bottom, things get even worse. And now it's been 365 days since this team's last regular season win. That's right, a full year. Where does this team go from here? I'm not sure. There are so many problems that it's almost impossible to imagine this team ever turning things around. So let's talk about some of the headlines from today's game, shall we?
Cam's Future
The day started out with FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reporting that there may be a mutiny brewing in Miami. He reports that there may actually be players cursing Cam Cameron, both in meetings and on the field. If this is accurate, and generally Glazer is pretty accurate, then things need to drastically change. This is a problem that not only effects the players currently on the roster and their performance on the field but also hinders the Dolphins in free agency if Cam was to remain in Miami for another year. A lot of time, players influence other players to come. If the current players feel Cam is that much of a joke and feel that he's incompetent, then we are going to have a hard time trying to lure new players down here. Sure, money and Miami's weather helps in recruiting. But if the current players don't believe in their coach, why would any good free agent want to join this mess?
Then you have this game. There's no way this Dolphins team should get blown out the way they did in Buffalo yesterday. At most, the talent level on the Bills' roster is only slightly higher than the talent level on Miami's. There's no way this Bills team is 21 points better than the Dolphins. And that's when you have to look at coaching. These Dolphin players didn't really look into it. I don't think their effort was there. And once they got behind 21-0, I definitely think some of the players packed it in for the day. And that's an indictment of the head coach. Then you have to question the inconsistent decision making by Cam. He's aggressive and tries the surprise onsides kick in the middle of the 3rd quarter. I liked that call and it almost worked. But then, on a 4th and 4 at Buffalo's 45 yard line later on in the 3rd, Cam decides to punt. Are you kidding me? Don't get me wrong, I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the game. But those kinds if inconsistencies time and time again really have to make you question what the hell Cam is thinking.
Now, I've been a solid Cam supporter all season long. But I'm sorry, I just can't do it any more. A change really needs to be made. When you have a rookie head coach, you generally like to give him time. But we haven't seen any improvement in his play calling or decision making. And now you got a potentially ugly situation developing in the locker room between the players and Cam. Enough is enough. I'm now beginning to think that even a change just for the sake of changing isn't even a bad idea. Or maybe I'm just so depressed over how this season is going, that my judge is cloudy. I just don't know anymore.
And as if all this wasn't enough, there's more. ProFootballTalk is reporting that "there's talk in league circles that [Michigan] Athletic Director Bill Martin wants to pursue" Cam if he is fired by the Dolphins. One source tolls PFT that Martin believes Cam's 0-13 record is an "aberration." However, because of his performance this year, boosters and alumni might be against hiring Cam, who is a Michigan guy. He spent 10 years as an assistant at Michigan. PFT also believes that the fact that Cam could "land on his feet" may make it easier for Wayne Huizenga to fire him. That, and the fact that Cam's buyout would be reduced because of his potential salary at Michigan. This is certainly something we need to keep an eye on. We all remember last year, around this time, when PFT was reporting that Nick Saban was interested in the Alabama job. Many called the site "garbage" at the time...until Nick left for Alabama. One thing is for sure, in my opinion, and that is the fact that when Mike Florio of PFT writes something that isn't really being reported much yet by the mainstream media, he's usually right on the money. So like I've said, this situation certainly bears some wathcing.
The QB Saga Continues
The revolving door at QB that we've had to sit through since Dan Marino retired is becoming just ridiculous. Today, after just 8 plays and a lost fumble that was returned by Buffalo for a touchdown, John Beck was benched in favor of Cleo Lemon. And wouldn't you know that his very first play is a 50+ yard pass to Teddy Ginn, which is followed by a Samkon Gado 12 yard touchdown run. First, let's talk Beck. The one thing that really jumps out is how he had absolutely no time to throw on 2 of his six dropbacks. And they were 3 step drops, no less. You can't blame Beck for that. The fumble was a freak thing, and something that plagued Cleo Lemon as well once he was put into the game. It's funnt how the weather didn't seem to hinder Trent Edwards at all, though. Go figure.
Onto Cleo Lemon. Did he play better than Beck has been playing? Sure. And for that, I guess I'm forced to eat my words a little bit. But please don't try and tell me Cleo Lemon is a good quarterback. His two interceptions were terrible decisions/passes. The first one, when he overthrew an open David Martin, was just a horrific pass in which he threw off of his back foot. He fumbled 4 times. And he only had a 5.7 yards per attempt average against this poor Bills secondary. For comaprisonm Beck had a 5.7 yards per attempt average against the #1 defense in the NFL (Steelers) in much worse playing conditions than in Buffalo yesterday. So I don't want to hear anyone try to tell me that Cleo is this team's future QB. He isn't. But here's what I did notice. I noticed the play calling become a bit more aggressive with Cleo in the game. I saw this conservative offense open up a bit. I noticed more shots taken vertically. I saw more rollouts called for Cleo. And it makes you wonder why these plays weren't called for John. Why couldn't John take some shots deep?
I also noticed the players actually playing better for Cleo. Could it be just a coincidence? Maybe. But the offensive line was blocking much better for Cleo. He had much more time to throw than John has had the past few weeks. I saw Derek Hagan actually making plays for Cleo. When Beck was in there, Hagan dropped like every other pass thrown his way. And Cleo actually had some help on the ground, as Samkon Gado, who had 2 carries for 3 yards when John was in there, actually averaged 4.9 yards per carry the rest of the game when Cleo was in at QB. And that includes those 2 terrific redzone runs for scores by Gado. Of course, you have to consider the fact that Buffalo had a 21-0 lead by the time Cleo entered, meaning he might have been facing softer coverages that allowed for the higher completion percentage.
Either way, you have to wonder what this might mean for John Beck's future. Where do we go from here? Is Cleo back to being the starter? How much is John's confidence effected by this benching? Is John Beck the QB that is going to lead us in the future? Should the Dolphins think about targeting one of the top 3 college QBs in April's draft? All these questions now need to be answered. I think all we learned one thing from yesterday's embarrassment: the QB situation is as cloudy as ever. And now all options are back in play.
Defensive Struggles Continue
Say what you want about the offense sucking (and it sure did), the defense wasn't any better. With the time of possession about even, Buffalo's 31st ranked offense gained 389 yards of total offense and averaged 6.2 yards per play. This secondary made Trent Edwards look like a star, throwing for 4 touchdowns on just 23 attempts. And this front 7 allowed 2 100 yard rushers to the NFL's 20th ranked rushing offense. That's simply pathetic and everyone on that field should be embarrassed by their performance.
When Buffalo ran it, it seemed that one of two things happened. The Bills' back, Marshwn Lynch or Fred Jackson, either broke a few tackles or simply wasn't touched until they got into the secondary. And I don't want to hear any excuses about Zach and Channing being out. There's simply no reason Fred f*cking Jackson should ever run for 115 yards on just 15 carries. Giving up yards to Lynch is understandable. But letting a guy like Jackson pick up chunks of yards at a time is a disgrace.
Then you got the nonexistant pass rush. It seemed like Edwards could have been playing in a wheelchair and he still wouldn't have been touched in the pocket. When this defense doesn't blitz, they get no pressure at all on the QB. And even when they did blitz, they still couldn't get to the QB quick enough. And that is highlighted by Lee Evans' 70 yard touchdown reception on a 3rd and 10 play that basically ended the game. Travis Daniels, who can't cover any speedy receiver, was hung out to dry by the inability of Miami to not be able to get to Edwards despite bringing the blitz. And the end result was the final nail in the coffin.
This & That
-Jason Allen continued to be active in run support. But is that because he's getting better and better or because nobody in front of him could get a hand on the ball carrier?
-Derek Hagan had his best game as a professional, catching 8 passes for 93 yards. But a majority of those catches came when Buffalo was playing very soft coverage late in the game.
-A positive for the Dolphins: Rex Hadnot had a beautiful block, pulling from his right guard spot to spring Gado for his 20 yard touchdown run. I'll tell you right now: Hadnot needs to be resigned in the offseason as quickly as possible. He's a solid RG and is the vocal leader of this offensive line.
That's all for now. Your thoughts below...
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welcome on board
The bandwagon is growing rapidly but we still have plenty of room for people to join the 'fins need a new coach' chorus. However the reality is we just need one WH to join, otherwise I fear it could be another long year next year....
As to the rumor, wow could that really be true? would michigan do us all a favor and take Cam off our hands? since I really don't like michigan it would be a double blessing. sort of like wanny going to pitt.(gain by subtraction here, loss by addition there)
I strongly agree with your analysis of the game. spot on and a good job. One note I would like to add though, the Lemon's first pass was the first time they threw on first down. All three Beck possesions started with running plays for little or no yards, as buffalo packed the zone. Then when cleo finished doing his damage and the bills bumped up the lead at half, the bills dropped into a deep zone and let cleo throw the only pass he knows... dinks...
What really bothered me here was that Cam never thought of putting Beck back into the game, once the game was over. Why not let Beck build some confidence against a soft defensive coverage. So much for putting a QB into a situation where he can succeed.
My guess is Cam will go with Cleo the rest of the year and sub beck when the game gets out of hand.
So that means another year of caretaker QB's....
The biggest reason Cam should be fired, there was never a plan to get Beck ready to start.
shall we start start a pool to see who can quess Miami's starting QB next year? God, I hope it's not Losman.
by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 10, 2007 2:19 AM EST 0 recs
oh I forgot
by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 10, 2007 2:23 AM EST 0 recs
i cant believe it but i am sold
by KingOnSlaught on Dec 10, 2007 2:51 AM EST 0 recs
Play calling!
We needed to establish the run!
SIGN Hadnot now!
If everyone wants Cam out---(and I do)---shouldn't it be done now!
And any early choices?
by JGray on Dec 10, 2007 8:11 AM EST 0 recs
I actually can't stand to look at him anymore
3rd and 10 from about the Bills 40, we dial up a play that sends Ginn? into the left side of the endzone and the pass falls incomplete. We decide to go for it on fourth down and turn it over on downs. Now here is my issue: Why don't we have two plays in place that will allow us to gain a 1st down? If we are planning on going for it on 4th down anyway, why try and pick up 40 yards on 1 play? What about an 8-10 yard route, I'll even take a 5.6 Yd play and setup a 4th and short.
It's this lack of planning and preparation, pregame and ingame that is destroying this team, as well as execution.
Coaching has now become one of the major major aspects of a game that all analysts and players talk about. Offense, Defense, Special Teams, and COACHING. The sad thing is that there's nobody to turn to, to coach this team for the rest of the season. Cam has to go asap.
by MarkDuper85 on Dec 10, 2007 9:26 AM EST 0 recs
I know what you mean
by Finz4eva on Dec 10, 2007 10:08 AM EST 0 recs
Cut the Cowher crap
Count me on the Fire Cam Bandwagon as well, my patience has run incredibly thin, and its not just the playcalling, the piss poor game management or handing the reigns to Mularkey.
Its the fact that he's really set back Beck's development yesterday.
What now Mr QB guru?
by Patssuck456 on
Dec 10, 2007 10:16 AM EST
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not true
Should he return to coaching it is rumored that he wants around 7 mil a year. So the money isn't even close, however he does have a heck of a lot more free time on tv.
by W NY Fins Fan on
Dec 10, 2007 8:56 PM EST
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*Yawn*
Comp Att Yds Pct TD Int Fumb
22 42 241 52.4 0 2 3
by Neo on Dec 10, 2007 10:14 AM EST 0 recs
I have been saying it for a while...
The biggest bright spot of the season is Jay Feely. Thats pathetic...
by TheSeaMammals on Dec 10, 2007 10:24 AM EST 0 recs
Why wait?
Hell, Alabama didn't. Come get him, please Bill.
by Neo on Dec 10, 2007 10:28 AM EST 0 recs
Cam Must Go
I was at the Eagle/Dolphin game and was on the tunnel where the fins came out. Before they took the field, Cam was standing alone just below me with a look of bewilderment on his face. He had no interaction with any of the players, just looked like a lost puppy.
Our future is in Beck/Ginn. They had the chemistry at the Eagles but for some reason has not been used much since. Lets rebuild our O line, get the receivers to stop dropping passes and get on with it. Our D needs work, but the opponents starting field position hasn't helped either. Bring on Cowher, a fresh crew and build on Beck!
by Thruthickandt on Dec 10, 2007 10:33 AM EST 0 recs
Low
This team blows so bad it hurts. Nobody can hold the ball, they fight it all the way. Even when they are put in a position to make a play, they blow it. Lance Schulters drops a sure TD INT. Will Allen misses a slow hopper onside kick. Nobody can cover Robert "Fucking" Royal? C'mon.
This game was worse than the Jets game. They can't play and they play even worse in cold weather. We should be in the AFC south.
by Gliddog on Dec 10, 2007 10:34 AM EST 0 recs
We should be in the AFC south
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 10:38 AM EST
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AFC south
by Gliddog on
Dec 10, 2007 10:46 AM EST
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I did
by gafinfan on
Dec 10, 2007 11:37 AM EST
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Georgia
Alternate coaches? great question. I just hope he's ready for a challenge
by Gliddog on
Dec 10, 2007 12:02 PM EST
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Ok
Dunno
~With the talent level we have I have to wonder at this point just why Cameron would want to stay ~
Now I know your kidding, your just arguing to be arguing.
~So come on and give me your best shot, just who is your guy?~
Well, my guy
- Has a game plan.
- Knows how to handle rookies.
- Knows how to make adjustments.
- Decisive
- Knows how to play-call (without a committee).
- Knows when to call a timeout.
- Knows how to handle Public Relations.
- Doesn't look like a deer in headlights.
- Knows how to manage the game clock.
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 12:10 PM EST
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Please notice
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 12:15 PM EST
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You're wrong
I ask for a name but I guess I won't get one. I've named 3; just what do you think of any of them? Or would you rather wait and see how many games they lose before you comment?
by gafinfan on
Dec 10, 2007 4:05 PM EST
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You want a name?
Cowher is everything Cameron isn't and most of all a WINNER.
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 11:23 PM EST
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don't forget #10
I don't care who the dolphins get just get me someone who has a winning record after their name.
And now being somewhat contradictory, I'd love to see the fins go after OSU's Jim Tressel. I've been very impressed with his ability to jump from a small school winner to go right to the big time without a hiccup. I have no idea if they could land him, but NFL $$$ always motivates.
by W NY Fins Fan on
Dec 10, 2007 9:19 PM EST
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Please don't try to go there
by Neo on Dec 10, 2007 10:35 AM EST 0 recs
Lemon is not the answer.
Beck had one bad game (against the Jets) and you are ready to promote Lemon? How many games did Lemon win for the Dolphins this year? Did Lemon not give up the ball as many times against Buffalo as Beck did against the Jets? Where is the heat on Lemon? One successful pass play and he is the next messiah? Play calling can help make anybody look good. Lets get Beck back in and get aggressive.
by Thruthickandt on Dec 10, 2007 10:41 AM EST 0 recs
You're not using much logic...
Are you Cleo Lemons mother?
by Matt27 on
Dec 10, 2007 5:03 PM EST
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How many games has Cleo won?
I don't have preconceived notions about Cleo. I saw him play and he isn't good. Bottom line. I don't care if he's black, white, blue, green, or pink. He stinks.
by Matty I on
Dec 10, 2007 5:32 PM EST
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Beck sucks
by mred on
Dec 10, 2007 6:55 PM EST
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You assume one is racial because they are
Now, back to the issue. We must both agree that Cleo's perfomance against Buffalo was nothing to right home about. In fact, it was very similar to Beck's against the Jets. The problem of trying to compare Lemon and Beck is that neither of them have had much of an opportunity to prove themselves under the overall conditions of the team.
We have had a non-existant running game starting with the Eagle game (consiquently Beck's debut). In Lemon's five games prior to handing over the starting job to Beck, he enjoyed rushing support of 137, 110, 179, 116, and 143 yards. Beck takes over and enjoyed rushing support of 77, 49, and 37 yards. Can we both agree that an ineffective running game lends to a bigger challenge for the passing game?
Regarding the agrument that Beck has not led the Dolphins on a scoring drive. I will use the Eagle game in his defense (I was there). He
orchestrated a drive from within our own 10 yard line only to have feely miss a 47 yard field goal(short). Later in the game we have 1st and goal from the 1 yard line. The first attempt Chatman is stopped. On second down a beautiful pass from Beck is DROPPED in the endzone by Halterman (hit him in the hands). Third down Chatman is stopped. We go for it with 6:47 left in the game trailing 17 to 7 and miss it. If we take the field goal, we get within a score and still have time on the clock. That, my friend, is bone-head coaching and poor recieving! We dropped so many passes and the recievers weren't getting turned around in time.
Beck is a victim (so is Lemon) of poor coaching decisions (play calling) and an ineffective run game. It would be interesting to see how Beck performs if he would get more than 50 yards run support.
by Thruthickandt on
Dec 11, 2007 1:35 PM EST
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Topics at hand
I want so bad to have some consistency on this team. A long term coach that can grow with this team. Or at the very least an old coach and someone being groomed to take over. I want Cam to be that guy so we don't start over yet again, but things are not looking good for him.
I at least hope Randy Mueller isn't let go....especially for that pompus asshole Bill Parcells.
by Gliddog on Dec 10, 2007 10:44 AM EST 0 recs
Come on board Glid
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 10:54 AM EST
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I told myself....
I have to say, we have a full-scale mutiny here against cam. People say he's a nice guy, a good guy, etc but we are in this situation, this mutiny and dissension, in large part because of cam's inflexibility and unwillingness to bend. This from a guy who has not even won a single NFL game. <sigh>
At this point, I think we need this charade to be put to a stop, right now. We desperately need a little euthanasia to put an end to the cam experiment.
If the phins gave up 30+ to buffalo, a pop gun offense, how many will they give up to NE, 60?
I can never recall being so embarrassed of my team, as I am now.
by Natalya on Dec 10, 2007 11:05 AM EST 0 recs
how many will they give up to NE, 60?
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 11:18 AM EST
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I've given Cam the benefit of the doubt until now
Then after 5 crappy starts by Lemon he puts Beck in but only give him like 5 different plays to run. If Beck wasn't ready to handle the offense then he shouldn't have put him in in the first place. And now he yanks Beck after 3 series and we're back to where we started, but worse because he's ruined Beck's confidence. Great job for such a QB guru!
There has clearly been no plan, and no consistency with this guy. He doesn't have the respect of his players and I agree with Matty that this will be a curse in free agency.
by ithacadolphin on Dec 10, 2007 11:38 AM EST 0 recs
amen
On top of that don't forget, he annoint's beck the QB of the future.... then at camp he has to give cleo all these extra snaps, because there is suppose to be some uncertainty as to who the day 1 starter would be. Right, every one of those non green first team snaps should have gone to beck.
Then he makes cleo #2 for practice purposes, so beck's off to the scout team. If he makes Beck #2 at least beck gets some snaps during the week with the first team and gets to bond some. What did he have to lose, cleo know the offense and if green goes down he can put Cleo in....But now Beck has no connection to the starters. No chemistry and he and the teams future is suffering because of it.
Now compare that to Edwards in Buffalo. right away buffalo makes edwards #2. all in camp he gets 1st team experience, plus he gets meaningful time during preseason. edwards shows signs of being a QB, so they cut #2 Nall to give edwards snaps to accelerate his developement during the season. Now who looks like the better QB? Is there a difference in talent? who knows, was there a difference in the developement plan, you bet.
That is why some teams with marginal talent are 7-6 and others are 0-13.
by W NY Fins Fan on
Dec 10, 2007 9:33 PM EST
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Decision
I also don't think we've killed Beck's confidence yet. But, the question remains about how much potential he has. Cam's reluctance to insert Beck was absolutely correct, I really think he got pressured into the decision. This half of the season would have been difficult for most any rookie QB, especially with the inclement conditions and some of the defenses. I would have expected more during the Jets game, but we all saw how that turned out. I think you need to leave him under center (at risk of 0-16) to see how he plays vs Bal and Cin, two defenses that have struggled of late. The NE game is a wash, we should really F the league and just not show up! I'm kidding of course. Based on that, there's a decision to be made. I think of this like the Charlie Frye situation Cleveland had a few yrs back, but I hope with better results from Beck.
by Gliddog on Dec 10, 2007 11:51 AM EST 0 recs
I can't believe what I'm reading
by gafinfan on Dec 10, 2007 11:57 AM EST 0 recs
Agreed!
Marino played as a rookie half way through the season and went to the pro-bowl.
by Matt27 on
Dec 10, 2007 1:21 PM EST
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I disagree with
I agree Beck has a good future, hate to see the Dolphins squander it. Cam had/has faith in him or he wouldn't have picked him up in the second round. It is one thing to be a good drafter (which Cam did), but it takes a good coach and system to develop the player.
by Thruthickandt on
Dec 11, 2007 2:17 PM EST
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Quinn
by mred on
Dec 10, 2007 6:56 PM EST
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I absolutely agree with your thinking.
Beck has what it takes but it won't show under these circumstances. Thus the Beck bashing from the idiots will not stop.
I mention in another entry the lack of run support. In the three complete games Beck played, he got 77, 49, and 37 yards of rushing support. He had a dropped touchdown pass against the Eagles that would have built not only his confidence, but also the teams.
We need Beck in with better game planning and play calling.
by Thruthickandt on
Dec 11, 2007 2:08 PM EST
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Stay with Cam!
Clearly the biggest weakness, by far, on this team is personnel, not coaching. Our receivers cannot consistently catch the ball, except Ginn and Peele. M Booker skills are in severe decline; David Martin cannot catch or block. L Booker and, suddenly, Hagen, however, are promising.
There are 4 serious contributors that have been drafted in the years before the 2007 draft: Carey, Crowder, Hadnot, Roth; 3 part-timers: Daniels, Jason Allen, Hagen; some hangers on, Wright, Alibi; 1 potential star: Brown. Now look at 2007 alone: 2 serious contributors: Satelle; Mauia; 1 about to be serious contributor, Booker; 1 potential star: Ginn. I'm leaving out Beck, although to me he's clearly the best passer we've had since Marino. He will be a very good QB next year.
All of the good things that have happened this year have been because of Cam. The collapse of the defense had nothing to do with him. The offense has lost its backs, the receiving corps is in "transition" (see above), and the OL is doing remarkably well, considering.
Cam is the future, and in fact, if you listen closely, this is precisely what the veterans are complaining about: that Cam is too focused on next year and this year is not a priority. Looking at what he's accomplished, this is not a bad thing. Getting another Jimmy Johnson/Dave Wannstedt would be a disaster. This team and this draft reminds me a great deal of the late 60's when we were still bad even after adding Griese, Zonka, etc. Another draft like the last one--and we have excellent picks--means a return to competitiveness next year and serious contention the year after that.
I don't blame Cam for looking hopeless at Philly, a game we would have won if our receivers could catch and our whiny defense would have not dropped interceptions, made a few tackles, and instead had teenage girl temper tantrums causing penalties and lack of focus. Look at who's complaining, and ask what the hell they've done for this team--excepting Jason Taylor, who's played poorly this year--and their zero commitment to developing a future, our even supporting their team this year, and then look at who is not complaining, and ask who is going to make this team win next year and in the future. People are acting as if we had some sort of great team that Cam's ineptitude somehow destroyed. It's ridiculous. Whatever good we have is from Cam and Mueller.
by jeff z on Dec 10, 2007 12:04 PM EST 0 recs
Agreed
by nicholasriehl on
Dec 10, 2007 12:57 PM EST
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This wasn't terrible team he was taking over!!
by NumberSeven on
Dec 10, 2007 1:53 PM EST
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Fish
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 2:10 PM EST
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This was a terrible team....
No QB to work with. Trent Green was only brought in to tutor Beck. Nothing on the outside between M.Booker, who is very average, and the terrible TEs. Chambers has been inconsistent his whole career. It's a miracle we got a 2nd round pick for him. Remember when we couldn't get anything because of the DWI and huge contract. Cam has done a great job getting this line to be respectable (we're still a couple pieces away, but it's good progress). And Ronnie was having his best year ever under Cam.
Defense:
Porter was hurt the first half and is now showing up at times. They have no impact DT's. Traylor is old, fat, and slow. I haven't heard Roth's name in 2 months. Z.Thomas and Holliday have been hurt all year. There wasn't an above-average player in the secondary to begin with after W.Allen. Walk down the street in Pennsylvania and ask anyone if they've heard of M.Lehan, R.Hill, T.Daniels, C.Worrell, or T.Tillman. There isn't a lot to work with.
I don't see how 0-13 can all be hung on Cam. Capers was having Porter cover TE's half the season and the talent that Saban left has gotten very old. Defense wasn't the focus of this off-season because it was expected to be solid again. Cam needs some time to turn this roster over with more youth and speed. Firing him and Mueller is only going to add to the mess and set us back further.
by nicholasriehl on
Dec 10, 2007 4:02 PM EST
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Let's wait a sec
~Trent Green was only brought in to tutor Beck~
Green was borught into to tutor yes, but also win now. Thats what Cameron told Wayne, and thats why we signed Porter.
~I don't see how 0-13 can all be hung on Cam.~
Nope but I gave you the list earlier (scroll up) why he is a incompetent HC.
~Firing him and Mueller is only going to add to the mess and set us back further.~
Didn't say anything about firing Mueller, I think he has done a fine job in the draft and with the Chambers trade. Why do people assume these 2 are jointed at the hip?
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 11:32 PM EST
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What a cotton picking minute!
You are correct though, we need to give Beck a chance and show some confidence in him. I'd love to see a TD pass!
by Gliddog on Dec 10, 2007 12:08 PM EST 0 recs
I've said nothing of John Beck...
Cam Cameron? I've been giving my opinion on him from the onset. He, unlike Beck, deserves not so much as one more second of being on this team.
Fire Cam.....Now.
by Natalya on Dec 10, 2007 12:14 PM EST 0 recs
It's always a race thing, isn't it?
by Matty I on Dec 10, 2007 1:09 PM EST 0 recs
Cam supporters
by Gliddog on Dec 10, 2007 1:14 PM EST 0 recs
Without Objection
I am against firing him without hiring a proven winner / rebuilder.
Cowher told CBS that he will not coach in 2008.
That leaves Marty. That is it. That is our list. Maybe John Fox, but he is a reach.
by Mindtornado on Dec 10, 2007 1:22 PM EST 0 recs
Cowher told CBS that he will not coach in 2008
by Neo on
Dec 10, 2007 1:25 PM EST
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No No No
I'd love to have Cowher is he wanted to be in Miami for reasons other than money. But it's looking more and more like he isn't going to be an option.
by Matty I on
Dec 10, 2007 2:25 PM EST
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The End of Days for Cam
by 305finforlife on Dec 10, 2007 1:30 PM EST 0 recs
young team
that being said...cam and the staff put together a good draft this year. There are a lot of contributors, and players are getting playing time and experience. This is one reason i like cam, but it is only one like compared to many dislikes.
whatever happens we are going to improve with all of the rookies developing... and honestly, we aren't going to get any worse right?
by sparkzor on Dec 10, 2007 2:14 PM EST 0 recs
Fertile Grounds
That said, I think we could get a good coach. The 'phins need someone that can embrace the past and traditions of the program and get the team to perform in a consistent manner week in and week out. Prime spot in the draft, location, and some talented youth should tempt anyone.
But why do you want a big-namer? I think we should look for a guy that has proven his consistency in a college program and is young enough to stay for a good career (15+ years) if he starts having success in Miami.
by Riz on Dec 10, 2007 3:47 PM EST 0 recs
Beck
by mred on Dec 10, 2007 6:57 PM EST 0 recs
until now....
by bigelboy on Dec 10, 2007 7:03 PM EST 0 recs

