2012 NFL Draft: Power Ranking the Top Quarterbacks
Everyone knows QB is our biggest need. Brandon Marshall's spectacular performance at the pro bowl further highlighted this need. We got a glimpse of what the kraken could have been if he had a good QB throwing to him. Matt Moore may or may not be the solution, but this post isn't about Matt Moore, it is about the incoming rookie class. Of course we all know Luck is going to the Colts, so I am excluding him fromthis list. I will list the prospect, give a brief analysis and project where they will go and in what round.
1. Robert Griffin III, Baylor (Height: 6-2. Weight: 220) - RGIII is a phenomenal passer and athlete. He has superb accuracy, arm strength and decision making. He is also a great runner, accumulating 699 yards and 10 TDs. His biggest downside is that there will be a bit of an adjustment period due to playing in the spread offense in college and that he may get frequently injured due to his low weight. RGIII should go at the no.2 or no. 3 pick to the Washington Redskins if Peyton chooses to go to Miami. If Peyton goes to Washington and Flynn chooses Seattle, then I see the Phins taking a shot at him.
2. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M (Height: 6-4. Weight: 219) - Ryan Tannehill can best be described as a poor man's Aaron Rodgers. He has good arm strength, accuracy, mobility and decision making. His biggest issue is lack of weight and poor mechanics/footwork. His lack of weight will always be an issue, even though he could probably add 10 lbs without severely affecting his speed. The footwork and mechanics issues can easily be corrected by good coaching. I see either the Seahawks picking him up in the late 1st if the Dolphins get Flynn. If the Dolphins choose to take Peyton Manning over Flynn, then they will probably trade down for him.
3. Nick Foles, Arizona (Height: 6-5. Weight: 244)- Foles reminds me of Chad Henne, except with better touch. He has great arm strength and decision making to go along with decent accuracy. He struggles against the pass rush and rarely looks past his first read. He will need work on going through his progressions, but good coaching could turn him into a poor man's Jay Cutler, while bad coaching will turn him into another Henne. I project him going to the Browns in the 2nd round. The Browns need someone to push McCoy or replace him, and they could end up with a Brees-Rivers type situation if both McCoy and Foles play well.
4. Brandon Weeden (Height: 6-4. Weight: 219) - If Weeden were 5 years younger, he would be pushing Luck and RGIII to be a top 10 pick. Unfortunately, that is not the case and Weeden, at 28, will have a severely shortened career. He will need to go somewhere where he can start right away or where he can compete immediately. He won't be too expensive and has great accuracy, decision making, arm strength and maturity. I see him going to the Buffalo Bills in the 3rd round. Fitzpatrick struggled tremendously towards the end of the season and needs someone better than Tyler Thigpen to push him for the starting spot. The Bills will also need a better backup than Thiggy, which Weeden will provide. Another team I can see him going to would be the Jets, who need competition for Sanchez. But, I think the Jets will take Chad Henne in FA to fill that need.
5. Kirk Cousins (Height: 6-2. Weight: 209) - Cousins displays potential to be a good game managing, mistakes limiting QB in the mold of the Alex Smith we saw this past year. He protects the ball well and rarely makes mistakes, but he isn't going to be a huge playmaker. He would be an amazing backup, but won't be more than average as a starter. Due to his low ceiling, he will be a mid round pick. I see him going to the Giants in the 4th round. The G-men need a good backup behind Eli(te) Manning. Unfortunately, David Carr is not exactly the best backup out there. You can't expect a guy who is afraid of his own shadow by this point to go out there and win games. Cousins will be a great pickup who will be able to step in if necessary and win some games whie keeping them competitive.
6. Brock Osweiler (Height: 6-8. Weight: 240) - This guy is huge. There are no other words to describe him. His tremendous size will be a huge asset to him. Height is not the only thing this guy has going for him. He also has great arm strength and surprising mobility for a guy his size. He struggles with mechanics and footwork, which lead to his struggles with accuracy. Fortunately, both of those issues are easily correctable through good coaching. In the draft, I see him going to the Eagles in the 4th round. Vick is aging rapidly and can't seem to stay healthy. With Young leaving via free agency, they will need someone to sit behind Vick and learn from Andy Reid. Osweiler will be in a great place to sit for a few years before being injected into Reid's QB friendly offense.
7. Russel Wilson (Height: 5-11. Weight: 203) - This guy is tiny, and that is his main downfall. If he was even 2 inches taller, he would be looking at being drafted as early as the 2nd round. DUe to his short stature, his stock will fall. He has great mobility and is a good runner. He reminds me of Michael Vick in a way as he is short, a decent passer,but a great runner. He will need to go somewhere where he can sit and watch a real NFL QB do it. Because of this, I have him going to the Saints in the 5th round. He will be able to sit behind Drew, who is rapidly approaching 33. At best, he will learn from Drew and take over as the starter.At worst, he will still be a better backup than Chase Daniel.
8. Case Keenum (Height: 6-1. Weight: 210) - Keenum put up some record breaking numbers this past year. But that was more due to Houston's system than Keenum's own skill. He is a good system QB that will struggle outside of his comfort zone. Wherever he goes, his upside is simply that of a mediocre backup. I see him going to the Cowboys in the 6th. Romo needs good, young backups behind him, and Keenum should provide that. Garrett's offense is very QB friendly and will give Keenum a good chance at being a successful backup.
9. Kellen Moore (Height: 6-0. Weight: 191) - Moore seems to be the most overrated prospect out there. I can't begin to understand why someone would want him in the 2nd. For Kellen Moore, just imagine a slow Pat White. White's speed was the only good thing about him. Moore has one of the ugliest releases I have ever seen, yeas worse than Tebow's. He has no arm strength and his accuracy is spotty at best. His only saving grace is his intelligence, which far surpasses any of the QBs not named RGIII or Weeden on this list. His intelligence allows him to avoid turnovers. I doubt he has a future as anything more than a journeyman or bad backup. I see him going to the Jaguars in the 6th round. Moore will be able to battle for the 3rd string spot behind Gabbert and any free agent they sign (I have them signing Jason Campbell or Vince Young).
10. Dominique Davis (Height: 6-3. Weight: 215) - Davis brings an intriguing combination of accuracy and mobility. When I see him play, I've seen a poor man's RGIII. He is a pass first QB, who can also take off and run. Out of all of the QBs on this list besides RGIII, I think he has the highest upside. The biggest issue with him is that he comes from a very basic offense. There is very little complexity to the offensive schemes. Another issue is that, while his accuracy improved between the last two years, his passing yards and TDs went down from 3,955 to 3, 225 and 37 to 25. Meanwhile his INT count went up from 16 to 19. The INTs and yards don't worry me that much, but the drop in TDs is huge. There a few scenarios I can see with him. The first would be if the Dolphins get Matt Flynn. Davis would be a good developmental prospect for them. Another possibility would be the Rams, who need backup QBs. Bradford and Feeley are good enough as the no.2 and no. 3. But they need help behind them. Not only that, but Feeley should be retiring in the next few years, after which Davis can take over as the primary backup. The Rams O-line is like an entire line of Colombos,so they need the depth.
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i think that you have underrated both Keenum and Moore.
but that is like just my opinion.
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not really
even though houston qbs always put up huge numbers, i cant remember a single one that was ever good in the nfl. that screams system qb to me. in reality, keenum is a sub par qb. and i actualy think i overrated moore. he just plain sucks. if you put moore’s brain in hennes body, you would have the perfect qb. as is, moore isnt even worthy of a draft pick
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Moore is really accurate, his arm isn't great but you don't give him enough credit. And Montana was a system QB, you could probably make an argument for most qbs in the NFL that they are system qb.
What’s the problem with excelling in a system that suits your strengths?
Completely agree...
Like it said in the article, Moore is the most intelligent QB in the draft. However, he is also probably the most accurate out of all the QB’s. The only thing against him is his size and arm strength. And NFL strength and conditioning can vastly improve his arm strength; you just can’t fix his size. Osweiler, Cousins, and Foles are all inaccurate and poor decision makers. That’s something that’s very difficult to fix at the next level as well. I’d gladly take Moore over those 3 guys. Luck, Tannehill, Griffin, and maybe Weeden are the only guys who have a legitimate shot at being stars.
Agree with Sox
Luck and RGIII will have inmediate impact, Tannehill need development, but he will be a good QB, Weeden was a 50/50, but all other will be Backup QB’s at best
Your eather a starter or bust,Has been vs. never was cuz back-up's dont count!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 6, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Arm strength
Conditioning programs don’t really improve arm strength. You can make your body somewhat stronger and faster, more resilient to taking hits and damage the NFL will dole out to you, but increasing arm strength in any considerable way is not really feasible. Some improvement in mechanics (delivery, footwork, throwing motion) might help some, but “throwing” arm strength doesn’t have much to do with how much you bench or lift.
by douglaskoehne on Feb 6, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about core strength...
both Rodgers and Flynn have improved their arm strength through different fitness programs and a lot of it has been focused on their core.
His arm is big enough to play west coast. It's not THAT bad, look at Matt Shaub for another good example for QBs lacking what pro scouts are looking for in arm strength
Would you rather a 6’10’’ numpty with a big arm? Or a qb that actually wins? And don’t bring White into this, he was a running QB which is a different kettle of fish. I wouldn’t let Osweiller hold a clipboard.
so your rebuttle for my thoughts are based on
a perception you have of past qbs from the schools? If we are going to make blanket judgements on statistics, then andy dalton must be a joke and there is no way Matt Flynn could suceed.
You really dont give Moore any credit. It is clear that you have littel to no respect for what he has done, but your negative perception of him and keenum make the remainder of you post invalid. I would respect the other rankings if you could at least justify your rankings of Moore and Keenum with some sort of reasonable argument.
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by Phinphinatic on Feb 6, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, you want a reasonable argument, watch them play
And while there might be exceptions, it is no coincidence that Houston dominates college record books and that they have few successful qb’s in the NFL. Now, for Moore, I agree that he was a great college qb and is the smartest on here other than RGIII. But intelligance can only get you so far if you don’t have the athletic ability to utilize it. Moore is accurate and smart, yes. But he I severely undersized. His height wouldn’t be a factor if he had a quick release, which he doesn’t. He has an elongated hitch release similar to Tim tebows. The difference between Moore and tebow though, is that tebow can run and that he has arm strength. Moore alsoholds the ball horizontally, with his arm on top of it, instead of vertically. Due to this, he is much more likely to fumble, especially since his elongated release will mean that it will take him longer to get the throw off. In a west coast offense, it is very important to get the throw off quickly, which he can’t do
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
seen both play, and agree on some of your points.
However, they both have an ability to win that is difficult to overlook. Keenum is like many other second tier QBs in my opinion in that he is good and with the right direction, could be an NFL stud. Moore is more the wildcard. He has done nothing but dominate the college level and has competed very well against the competition that has faced him. He is a little smaller than the protypical QB these days, but to me, he has all of the tools that one would want from a franchise QB. He doesnt turn the ball over often, he is very accurate, he goes through his progressions, and he takes what the defense gives him and makes adjustments. While i would nto dream of arguing that Moore should be at the top of the list, but to say that the man sucks is both inaccurate and disrespectful to a QB who has played at the level he has maintained all four years. His release appears awkward and slow, but it isnt like Tebow’s in my opinion. His is more of a sidearmed sling but can be worked on. His arm strength and size would be the only potential knocks on Moore, and I feel that he would be a tremendous value in the 5th or 6th round.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
Sorry, but we can't make the mistake of looking at win loss records
Pat white was a winner in college too, then he was killed by the steelers. Look at the Alabama and lsu qb’s, all of them suck. There’s a huge difference between winning in college and winning in the NFL. Brady was never a winner, neither were romo, cassel, bulged or Warner. Jamarcus russel was a winner, so was Ryan leaf.
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i guess that i am really alluding to
the team’s success may have something to do with them being good. I’m am not only going by win loss records, I am going by my personal attention over the past 4 years. Boise State go my attention. Kellen Moore got my attention. Them winning openned the door to people looking closer at their players. You may think babdly of Moore or Keenum or any othey player that you havent seen enough of, but at least just say I dont like the way this guy plays. If you are going to abandon true reasoning, at least own it.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
I do agree with you that both moore and keenum played great in college
But that’s where our opines differ. I think they will be nothing more than decent backups, while you think they will be starters. The truth is, we have no clue what will happen, so can we just agree to disagree?
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we can, but i think that we ultimately do agree
I dont think that either Keenum or Moore will likely be starters. I just think that in the right situation they could both flourish. To me, of 100 QBs, 90 of them are system guys who will only be as good as their team and game plan allows. Then there are the other 10 who change the game. These guys have what it takes to excell under any circumstances.
Many people think Luck and RG3 are in this group, but i dont agree. I believe RG3 is the real deal and will be an elite QB. I feel lke Luck will crash and burn in Indy. I dont think that he will be able to live up to the expectations from the INdy fans and the players around him. The dude has been set up to fail. We have all seen how quickly the Indy fan base has turned on Manning for getting hurt. How are they going to sit through 2-3 seasons of Sam Bradford-like results.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
by Phinphinatic on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'm of the opposite mindset.
Luck will own the game and RG3 will be good depending on the system.
I have to disagree with the 90 out of 100 thing, maybe 10 years ago that was right, but we are seeing more and more QBs that are coming out elite. 2x Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Roethlisberger and Rivers… 7 elite QBs and only 32 teams? The concentration of eliteness gets bigger every few years. This is partly why I’m excited about a possible expansion to 34 teams, but I will miss the perfect 32 team setup.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
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yes 7 out of 32 teams, with
at least 2 back ups for every team, that puts us closer to the 10 out of 100 argument.
My main concern with Luck (outside of the hype) is that he has depended on good tight ends for the majority of his career. Not many teams have that kind of scheme. The Colts have Clark who is hurting still and that is it. They would have to draft a few TEs and still hope to keep some of their ailing WR corps for Luck to suceed.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
And i mean that i watched them play all season.
not just during senor bowl time.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
Dude time to get an avatar already!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST via Android app reply actions
i refuse!
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude, come on. Everybody's doing it....
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Ok. Your just another random guy then.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
fine, i'll make one
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Nice.
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The brain trust take a picture of a couple of pennys!
You always be known as “the one” who makes cents!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 8, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Poor man's Aaron Rodgers?
I just can’t see a real comparison between an incoming rookie QB and the MVP. If he were, I’m sure he would be snatched up with the first pick in the draft.
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by Choose your screen name: on Feb 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions
im not comparing tannehill to rodgers now
im saying tannehill now is similar to rodgers when he was in the draft. they both were raw, mobile and play similarly
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree in this momento Tannehill was not ready to be a starter...
but give 2 or 3 year in the right coaching system and can flourish like Rogers.
and I will not surprised if GB drafts him with his first pick… one of his big holes was a backup QB… and could draft him and develop like to with Flynn behind Rogers
... especially if Flynn leaves.
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
I don't understand this...
He (Russell Wilson) reminds me of a white Michael Vick
Either Russell has an amazing tan or you are just assuming he is Caucasian because his first name is “Russell”.
A Google Image search reveals that his skin is very dark.
umm, umm, whoops!
my bad
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL!!
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
he looked white in the senior bowl, i think
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
First apperance; can shake your body to the core,but does this truely mean anything!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Russell Wilson is half blk/white
so technically you only half wrong
by caneiac27 on Feb 6, 2012 2:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Way da go there...
lol
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
yeah, except for the fact that hes black
minor oversight on my part. i coulve sworn he was white in the senior bowl
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Anish not a problem you got my rec bruther, oversights happen life be too short & stress is a killer, don't let it kill you!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks beave
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 5:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
rec'd
he was white at the Senior Bowl …. he had skin color surgery apparently
by scrappy the wildcat on Feb 6, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
... skin peeling?
Or Michael Jackson syndrome?
(too early)
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
not too early...
have you sen sammy sosa recently?
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
what about Lindley?
has a HUGE arm and a quick release. Horrible footwork and accuracy. I wouldn’t mind us takin him with a mid round pick and put him through our version of the McCarthy QB Academy.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Feb 6, 2012 4:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The combine will give us a look-see into his ceiling!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
He was actually the next guy on my list, number 11
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice breakdown Anish
The only part I disagree with is about Brandon Marshall. All the Pro Bowl showed is that he excels when no one else is trying and there isn’t any pressure. I agree he’s a physical beast but I’m on the fence on whether his attitude and drops outweigh his contributions. But i will agree that a QB upgrade could see better things out of him….
As for the QBs, I don’t follow them as much as some, so this post is much appreciated, good work! Of the above, Foles seems interesting, assuming we get Flynn or Manning.
Bienvenidos a Miami Coach Philbin!
Thanks
And files should be a good starter with the right coaching. He’s a bit of a boom or bust kind of risky pick right now.
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kellen Moore is overrated?
Where do you get this? Everything I have seen is that Moore will be at best a 5th round pick but, many have him going undrafted. Doesn’t sound overrated to me.
His accuracy is spotty at best – Yeah 74.3% comp pct. is spotty.
The knocks on Kellen Moore are that his arm is weak and that he is undersized.
He may not make it in the NFL may not be able to take a hit. I don’t know but, your analysis is spotty at best.
by Joe McNeil on Feb 6, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
agreed Joe
People look at Boise and think, this team is a fraud because of their division. Boise has been shuinned by much of college football and has handed out an open invitation for any school to add them to their home schedule to improve their schedule. Most teams are afraid and wont take thie risk of challenging Boise. The fact that Boise offers to play the best on the best’s home field should speak volumes.
Unfortunately, too many people get caught up in the idea that most QBs from the non major schools cant compete. Joe Flacco can compete, division 2. Big Ben, hmmm. And now we have Andy Dalton further working to destroy the steriotype that mid major schools have mid major talent.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
Oh, that's not what I'm talking about, that's perfectly fone
I talking about the people who say that we should take him in the 1st or 2nd.
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
... that's insane.
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
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And yet I have seen people suggest that
Not here though, on some other blogs (mandos, omars, bleacherreport, etc.)
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, i havent really seeen anyone put Moore up that high.
between the 4-6 round seems appropriate to me.
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
Anish, you just cited 3 "sources" that anyone with any football experience woul not even look at,
except for a good joke every now and then.
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
Great Post Anish and Rec'd
Just a lil insight though. RG3 is the same height as Romo, Sanchez, Rodgers, and Flynn but weigh 5lbs less than 3 of the 4 with Romo being 8lbs heavier. Brees survived at 6’0" 209 lbs and Ryan stands 6’4" at 217lbs. I really don’t think his size will be a factor come time to play.
Get the best man to clear every hurdle that stand in the Dolphins way, go RG3.
RG3, the new Transformer of the future.
I doubt it will be a factor
But it would do him some good to add 5 lbs or so
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like the work that you put into this post, however I am going to disagree with a few things.
First is about Brandon Weedon. Not many players in the 2012 draft are as hotly debated as Weedon is and his age is obviosuly a legitimate concern. How high are you willing to take a kid whos career is so limited lengthwise and how many other players can you pass on for that player? However I still think he will go at least in the second round (possibly in the first round if the right scenario presents itself) for two reasons. The first is simply the necessity of the position. It is no longer a Quarterback driven league, it is a Quarterback starved league and teams will be willing to take Weedon higher than possibly necessary. Secondly that the financial risk is less, so the negatives on reaching for a player arte reduced.
I also disagree that Buffalo will take a Quarterback within the first 4 rounds (anywhere that it could be concieved that they are losing faith in Fitzpatrick). The Bills were completely devastated by injuries this season, on both sides of the ball. There was a period in the middle of the season when they were unable to maintain any semblance of continuity from one week to the next. Example, in the first three games of their losing streak coming off of Fitzpatricks extension and the win in Toronto, they played NYJ at home, followed by Dallas on the road and in MIami in the next three games. In those games, they lost George Wilson to injury, Terrence McGee for the season, Donald Jones for the season, Stevie Johnson went down in the Dolphins game and missed time, David Nelson, they had to reshuffle their line over and over in that span including the season ending loss of Eric Wood e.t.c.
My point is that they are commited to Fitzpatrick. His deal was worth 6 yr. $59 Million with $24 Million in guaranteed money. Whether they like or not he is their Franchise Quarterback, so they will talk about the lack of continuity, the injuries e.t.c. and how it impacted the season. Meanwhile they will move on with Fitzpatrick and show full support because the team now rides on his shoulders.
Even though he was only drafted last season, Gabbert is an easier cut. His contract isn’t worth anything like Fitzpatricks so they aren’t as commited. If they change their mind, competition will be easy to acquire.
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I will try to briefly cover some other points.
I think that Russell Wilson is a slightly different player than you portray him. I don’t see Vick as an appropriate comparison. Vick has a hige arm. He can make every throw that is required in the NFL with ease. He can really shoot the ball outside of the numbers. He can throw deep outs on a rope if he wants to his arm strength is so potent and he can fit the ball into very tight spaces. Wilson doesn’t have a weak arm, but he can’t drive the ball anything like Vick can. Vick is also a little bit bigger and he stands taller in the pocket.
I think you are spot on with Kirk Cousins, Osweiler is too weird for me. Watching him come away from Center I can’t bear to think of him on my team in the NFL.
Lastly I love your point about Kellen Moore. I don’t understand why people are high on him either. Granted the kid is a fighter, he is very smart, efficient and a natural leader. That is all well and good except that he isn’t mobile, he can’t drive the ball outsides of the numbers, he can’t push the ball down the field, he is too small and he can’t evade pressure. He also struggles throwing across his body because he doesn’t have a big arm. (Pat White!!!)
Rec’d.
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Thanks
And of course there are differences, but Vick seems to make the most sense. Who else would you compare him to. Maybe Troy smith, but he’s in the ufl (or afl, I forget)
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by AnishB15 on Feb 6, 2012 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Troy Smith is back in the league, with the Pittsburgh Steelers for the offseason at least and probably into camp.
I had to llok up where he was in 2011. Omaha Nighthawks of the UFL. As for Smith, yea a comparison is somewhat applicable but I like Seneca Wallace better for a player comparison. Or even Doug Flutie.
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Imagining what Weeden would be 5 years younger doesn't matter...
He is 5 years older. He has already played sports at a professional level and has gained the benefit of experience which I am sure has affected his preparation before games. If you threw Matt Moore into college I am sure he would light things up too… but it would be because he is playing against college competition. I see John Beck all over again with him. John Beck was further along than younger players, but his ceiling was also lower because of that. He is better than the 22 yr old QB, because he acts like a 27 yr old and probably studies the playbook alot more than his 22yr old counterpart. The 22 yr old counterpart is treating college as a time for having fun, while the guy that has played Pro Baseball treats it like a job.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
Also...
I am curious as to why he flamed out in baseball? Was it because he just didn’t have enough talent, or was it because he just didn’t have the drive needed to succeed? If it was drive, what has changed? If we are going to give a guy that had no drive a 2nd chance to prove himself, why not a Jamarcus Russell, who has a ton of talent but has probably been equally as unmotivated and has spent all his time playing football, not failing at baseball them coming to football? Russell is only 26 and he is a free agent meaning we wouldn’t have to use a draft pick on him….not saying we should run out and sign Jamarcus Russell… just saying….
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 6, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because Weeden was never addicted to drugs.
It’s how to trust that an addict/ex-addict is truly clean. I would not take a chance on Russell.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
... beav, you looking for hard wood?
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- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Alph; got plenty Jack-Pine, Poppal, Ceder, sum Hickory, Walnut speaking of< how did you get out of that cage?
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Feb 7, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but Sex & Drugs are two different things entirely!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions

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