Your Average Phinsider FanPost Guide to Getting Andrew Luck

very funny…very true…. rec

Larry Little.


and I’m turning the corner,
looking for you.

Very well written - I was about 1/3 of the way down when I started to see the sarcasm. Nice.

Where’s the sarcasm font!

Oh I picked the wrong week to quit huffing glue… What’s our vector, Victor???

and you are peobably speaking to the minority. i personally do value the oline, i just dont think you can justify spending a 1st on a RT when we have a much bigger need at the pass rush(which IS more important than RT imo) when you could get zebrie sanders in the 2nd, nate potter in the 3rd, andrew datko in the 4th or 5th or just start jerry or murtha, all of which are huge upgrades over what we had there last year.

personally, I am one of those people who are strongly against drafting another lineman. I know the importance of having a good o-line. Where I get stuck is the fact that (if we draft a RT in the 1st) than 4 of our last 8 first found picks would be on O-Lineman (3 of those 4 would be in the top 15 picks and the other at 19). Other teams are able to find/develop lineman, they dont need to continue to invest #1 picks on the line. The reason we havnt drafted an impact gamechanger type of player is because we never use first rounders on top prospects. This team is already very solid, we need a few impact players and the most important weakness IMO is an impact QB. Also, I honestly believe that Jerry can be very solid at RT, but I wouldnt be mad if we used the #2 pick on a RT, I just dont think it should be another first rounder.

i was thinking this is got to be a joke, funny though u had me for a second

But I am a little confused with its use here. I try to read just about every word published on this page. Front page articles, Fanposts, fanshots, whatever. And I don’t ever remember once reading anything in either a post or the subsequent comments, that expressed the opinion that OL is meaningless. Not once. Maybe someone can help me out here and point me in the direction of that post or comment, cause maybe then I would understand who the above post is targeting. What I have seen are posts and comments authored by people, myself included, that feel the organization will continue to mire in mediocrity, as it has far a decade and a half, until a franchise QB is found. And if the RT position needs to be filled with a later round draft choice to make room for a first round QB, then so be it. But that is worlds apart from someone stating that the OL is meaningless, or unimportant.
And to be honest, I found your last two lines of the post pretty insulting on behalf of all the people that take the time to post their opinions on this site. And I’m not quite sure why you continue reading posts here, if they are so offensive to your football sensibilities…

I’ll start with troy aikman, move on to trent dilfer, throw in a few doug williams and jim mcmans, and i am sure that i am leaving some out. The problem is, history is difficult to research because of the perception of winning. I imagine that in 10-15 years people are goign to be talking about ben rothelsberger as being an all time great becuase he has multiple rings. The steelers won despite him, not because of him. Troy Aikman is believed by many to have been a very lucky QB who played at the right time and the right place with the Cowboys. He was a good enough QB to look great at times. He had a steller line, great run game, and solid defense. Was he an elite QB? I dont think so.

why am i not surprised.

Good teams, Super Bowl winning teams, don’t need a “great” OL to win. They need an average OL. They just can’t be god awful.

But my question is this: What constitutes a quality OL?

If it is running the football, then how did the NY Giants win the Super Bowl with the worse rushing attack in the NFL last year? In fact, 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls featured the worst rushing attack in the NFL (Arizona in ’09, Indy in ’10, and the Giants in ’12).

If it is sacks allowed, then SF shouldn’t have made it to the NFC Championship game because the gave up 44 sacks last year. Chicago the year before made it to the NFC Championship game giving up the most sacks (56) in the NFL that year.

What I am saying is that there is NO correlation between OL play and success. But there is a strong correlation between QB play and success.

The Giants OL this year was OK at best. Yet they won the Super Bowl because of the play of their QB, who, by the way, got beat up big time in the NFC Championship Game by the 49ers (how good was the Giants OL that day?).

The Pats played the majority of the year with their backup C and backup RT. Even healthy, the Pats have an average OL. But their QB is really good in case you were wondering.

OL doesn’t make your QB great. But a great QB can make your average OL really good by putting them in the right protection schemes, by getting rid of the ball on time, by recognizing the free rusher (all things the Miami QB’s have struggled with the last 3 years).

I would have no issue what so ever putting Peyton Manning behind the current Dolphins OL. Would he still be sacked? Yes, but I bet it would be half as much as the Matt Moore / Chad Henne Miami QB would be. Why? Because Manning will do all those things above the Moore and Henne couldn’t do.

If that is the case, we would be sitting here right now talking about how good the OL was last year instead of how bad they were.

Football is a TEAM sport!



Oh my gawd!

Funny stuff. Kudos

What if Luck breaks his neck first game he probably will with the only O Line that he’s got left

you propose to trade Long, all draft picks for the next 3 years, Bush, Pouncey,Wake, Dansby and Bess for Luck?!?

Sounds legit, I’m in..

I was actually with you until you talked about trading Jake Long, then I couldn’t read any more… The ONLY important position on the team? No one has said that.. that I am aware of. But everyone has acknowledged that it is our biggest area of need though. How good was NE’s defense last year? Pretty awful. How many times did Nate Soldier or Sebastian Volmer get away with blatant holding that would have been called had they been on any other team had they not been protecting the beloved Tom Terrific.

The average Phinsider fan thinks QB is the ONLY important position on the team?? So you are calling most of the people on this site morons? Why on earth would you spend another 1st round pick on an O-lineman to protect Matt Freaking Moore though? I am one of the few people that actually loved the picks of Jake Long and Mike Pouncey because I realize how special those guys are. But I can’t justify spending more money up front before we do something to improve who they are protecting. Is it fair that Jake Long has to protect some guy who if the Dolphins hadn’t picked him up quite frankly could have been seling insurance? You are asking him to play through all the injuries he has had to play through for NO CHANCE of the Super Bowl? Some of those sacks that the O-line gave up last year were because Matt Moore sucks.

If you tell me we have other holes on the team, I will ask you how you know that? A good QB covers up a lot of holes, both on offense and defense as proven by the Colts last year. Their defense was built to play from a lead. They were never a great defense, but they did just enough getting after the QB to keep them in every single game with Peyton Manning at QB.

If we got down 2 TDs against a good team, it was over for us… but the Colts were always in it when they had Manning. They were always a couple of throws and a stop away from winning, and EVERYONE knew it. That changes the way teams play. A franchise QB changes the way our O-linemen protect. It changes the way our WRs and TEs play, because he knows how to get them the ball. You don’t honestly think that every single WR the Colts have picked up since 1998 has panned out because they just knew some secret trick the Dolphins didn’t. Right now we have ONE big glaring hole on our team. I am totally against trading any player we have, but I will gladly give up every single draft pick we have until we find that guy. What do we have if we have an amazing offensive line, great WRs, TEs, and RBs, and a dominant defense but still have no QB? more of the same… 7-9, 7-9, 6-10… you’re right .. we should draft another O-lineman .. That RT is definitely our biggest need. Because you can’t find a franchise RT in the 2nd round… We have our franchise LT. We have our franchise Center(I mean how can you not like the guy, he is a freak). What we don’t have is anyone worthy of them protecting at QB. John Jerry can fill the role at RT… he did pretty darn good last year filling in for Jake Long the last few games. Why do we need to panic and go draft a RT in the first round?

we be willing to part with our top rate punter and our kicker dan carpenter. this seems only reasonable.