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Breaking Down First Round Candidates for the Miami Dolphins.

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Two months ago, when Matt Barkley held his own version of "The Decision" announcing his return to USC for his senior year, Dolphins fans entered a blue funk, which was only aggravated by a later decision made by Landry Jones to do the same. In an instant, the best QB class in decades was downgraded immensely and hope for the Fins to draft a Quarterback in the first round was now a slim possibility.

However, in an unexpected surprise, once the "Draft a Quarterback" goggles were taken off, it became clear that the 2012 draft class was not all about the QB's. This class has far more superior talent than most people thought. The plethora of elite, NFL ready players in this draft is remarkable.Yes, the Dolphins do need to find a Quarterback, but that's not the only missing piece of the puzzle. Miami needs to upgrade multiple positions to be a playoff contender, and there is no better way than to start than at Radio City Music Hall. Let's take a look at the first round candidates that the Dolphins should have their eye on.

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Offensive Line: If one reads the Miami Dolphins’ offensive line like they would a book, then they would love the beginning but hate the end. In one of the most absurd acquisitions made during the 2011 off-season, Miami signed RT Marc Colombo, and we all know how much of a wonderful signing that turned out to be. Once again Miami finds itself in the same situation they were in last year, however this time, there are a couple of players in the draft that might fill in the O-Line hole.

OT Iowa Riley Reiff: With the Dolphins most likely switching to the West Coast Offense, they will be looking for an offensive tackle with solid strength and quick feet. Reiff certainly fits into this category.

THE GOOD: His pass blocking ability, which is in my opinion the best in the draft, is very dominating. He doesn’t allow defenders to get the edge against him, he has a keen aptitude to cut-block despite his size, and he is able to recover well enough to cut off the inside rush lane. Riley’s pass blocking is not the only strength of his game. His run blocking capability is astonishing as well. His athleticism provides the quickness and lateral movement needed to block elite pass rushers in the NFL. Reiff has a natural dexterity to block linebackers on the run as well, which is what makes him one of the most intriguing O-Linemen in the draft.

THE BAD: One of the few things Reiff might want to work on is his ability to view the entire front 7 of the defense. This year, he was beat multiple times by inside blitzers because he was only eyeing down one guy, and that can prove costly in the NFL.

Note: Riley Reiff’s athleticism and quick feet is nothing to scoff at and would work wonders for Miami. Also, if you must know, Reiff once ran away from a police officer for over 20 minutes while being drunk.

OT Stanford Jonathan Martin:

THE GOOD: Martin, like Reiff, is also quite athletic. He has very good quickness off the line as a run blocker, and in pass-protection his wide-base stance allows him to stand tough against the bull rushes. One of the most valued aspects of Martin’s game is his knowledge of the game. His anticipation of the snap is very unique and his ability to shift his play-style depending on the play call is impressive.

THE BAD: Unfortunately for Martin, his strength is average at best, which can result as a big weakness when he plays against NFL Defensive Ends. Martin lacks a few things that can make up an elite OT, including: lack of foot quickness, lack of upper body strength, lack of trapping defenders on the inside, and lack of containing rushers repeatedly. When Martin gets beat on a play, he gets beaten badly, and that lack of consistency is what makes Martin one less than Reiff.

Note: Don’t look at Martin’s lack of consistency as the deal breaker; after all, he was Andrew Luck’s bodyguard for the past 3 years, which certainly tells us something about him.

DEFENSIVE ENDS: By now, most of you already know that the Dolphins will be switching from a 3-4 defense to a more traditional 4-3 defense. With change to the scheme comes change to the positions. Cameron Wake will have to move back to his original position as a defensive end, Jared Odrick and Randy Starks will become defensive tackles, and Karlos Dansby, Kevin Burnett, & Koa Misi will be shifted to appease the three-linebacker set. Although Paul Soliai is a dominant Nose Tackle, I don’t see him fitting in with the new defense. So as of now, the Dolphins are left looking for a pass-rushing end, which is where we start this assessment.

DE South Carolina Melvin Ingram: Melvin Ingram is one of the stars of the 2012 draft class. His playmaking ability and versatile style makes him loved by mostly all NFL scouts. Personally, this is the man I want the Dolphins taking in the first round.

THE GOOD: Ingram’s flashiness and quick hands is what allows him to beat tackles on the edge. As a senior, he ended up having a very impressive season with 48 tackles (15 TFL) and 10 sacks. Melvin Ingram plays stronger than his size dictates and his knowledge of the game allows him to dissect play-calls on the incstinct, which is why he was rarely fooled by the play-action. His game is composed of a quick fake out to the tackle, leaving the inside lane wide open for him to run through. Although Ingram lacks the strength to get past tackles off the initial snap, he does have two elements that make him an elite DE: 1) The way he spins out of an Offensive Linemen’s grasp 2) His ability to get the quarterback after his Second rush. These two qualities is what every coach craves in their Defensive End.

Note: Ingram also has a pretty good ability in getting passed Tight Ends on the line, but can he block them?

THE BAD: Ingram has demonstrated that he has not always been consistent when placed against a Tight End or Running back in a "cover" situation. Because of Ingram’s smallish size, he may struggle against the big Tight Ends in the NFL. This is not good thing for a team that faces Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez twice a year. Another flaw in Ingram’s game is his tackling skill. Ingram lacks the sense of fully grabbing ball carriers until they fall to the ground. For the most part, Ingram has relied on hard hits and strength alone to bring down these men, but that won’t work in the NFL. Lastly, Ingram’s ability to get to running backs is a bit streaky, which is one blemish he must fix.

DE North Carolina Quinton Coples: After DT Marvin Austin was suspended throughout the entire 2011 season, it seemed as if the North Carolina defense was going to be train wreck. However, a spot opened up for Quinton Coples to display his talents in the insider, and within a few months, he was now labeled as a one of the top senior prospects in the country.

THE GOOD: Quinton Coples has the perfectt size to be a dominant force in the NFL. His bulk, length, height, and strength allow him to be the most powerful force in the draft. His swim move is admirable and his hands are used quite well when rushing the Quarterback. On run defense, because of his monstrous size, Running backs try to avoid even going his way and hesitate long enough to get tackled. Coples' strength is the best asset of his game. He can bull rush almost any Offensive Linemen and push them deep enough into the pocket, which draws pressure to the Quarterback.

THE BAD: Coples lacks the speed and quickness that Ingram has, and often lifts his head too much when coming off the snap & when aiming to tackle the ball carriers.

Contrasting the Two: When looking at both Coples and Ingram, there is quite a difference between the both of them. Ingram has the agility, the football knowledge, and the playmaking ability that Coples doesn’t. However, Coples size, strength, and length makes up for these skills, as he is the more natural DE when compared to Ingram. Both are special talents, so it will be a tough choice to make if it ultimately comes down to the two of them. What is certain with both Ingram and Coples, however, is that they would both make for enormous compliments for the pro-bowler Cameron Wake.

WILD CARDS: The Wild Cards in this post are defined as the players that would fit well in Miami’s system, but have a slim chance of landing with the Fins.

QB Texas A&M Ryan Tannehill: This past week, Mike Sherman had a little bit to say about his college Quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Here’s a tidbit in case you missed it: "Like all good quarterbacks he had great poise. Very confident in any system, west coast or not," Sherman said. "Any quarterback has to be confident in his own skin and believe in himself. They always say a great quarterback makes those around him better. I thought [Brett] Favre did that. I think Aaron Rodgers does that. I think Tannehill does that as well." Let’s take a look at what exactly Sherman sees in Tannehill.

THE GOOD: Ryan Tannehill’s game and body type exemplifies the type of player suitable for the West Coast Offense. The WCO comes with four specific characteristics needed from the Quarterback:

  1. Accuracy: Tannehill has tremendous accuracy in the short passing game. He delivers the ball in time, right on the numbers. When on the run, his accuracy stays the same. He is able to get enough zip on the ball when rolling out, which makes him a big threat to opposing defenses. Like Aaron Rodgers, Ryan Tannehill is able to make the fade passes to the outside and hit receivers in stride. Now you can see why Sherman made the comparison to Rodgers.
  2. Decision Making: (In "THE BAD")
  3. Mobility: Tannehill’s mobility for his size is excellent. Because of the fact that he used to be a top receiver, he was able to transition that part of his game to the Quarterback position. This is another factor that makes him desirable to Dolfans.
  4. Strength: Ryan’s strength is that of an NFL QB. He has the ability to zip the ball into tight spaces and throw the long ball on the run.

THE BAD: Tannehill’s decision making certainly needs work. Too often he throws to receivers with defenders nearby resulting in a big hit. Also, he’s quite pressure sensitive; he will sense as if he’s in danger and throw the ball into terrible spots resulting in interceptions. Lastly, his setup and release of the ball is quite inconsistent. Sometimes he’ll throw a dart with a short arm motion similar to Brett Favre, while other times he takes the ball back too much and side-arms a throw like Tim Tebow. This is one area of his game that he must fix in order to take the next step as an NFL QB.

SS Alabama Mark Barron: The Safety position in the draft is definitely one of the weakest compared to all the others. Miami is in deep need for a free safety and the only free agent in the NFL that might fill that hole is Reggie Nelson. So let’s see if the Dolphins would be willing to take a chance on Mark Barron out of Alabama.

THE GOOD: Barron’s best element of his game is his ability to play the ball. He has a good sense of reading the Quarterback’s eyes and breaking up the pass. Also, when he gets his hands on the ball, Barron does a tremendous job running with it. Another one of his strong suits is his help with run support. Barron has a knack for reading runs quickly and is very aggressive when he gets to the line of scrimmage, and because of his quick feet and agility, he is able to swiftly avoid blockers to get to the runner.

THE BAD: Although Barron does have some flaws to his game; they are all quite minor in a sense. His change of direction is quite mediocre, his hips are a bit stiff, and he can’t cover a slot receiver well (Supposing they put him to cover at times). When it comes to tackling, Barron likes to go for the big hits, missing at times. If he learns to just grab on to the ball handler and not go for the strong hits all the time, his game would increase dramatically.

The elite talent in this draft will make it very hard for the Dolphins mess come draft day. Miami is in desperate need of quite a few positions, but luckily this class has talent across the board, which simplifies its problems. Who knows what will happen from now to April 28th, but what is certain, is that these 6 players will still be available.

Poll
Who Would You Draft?
OT Riley Reiff
356 votes
OT Jonathan Martin
18 votes
DE Melvin Ingram
336 votes
DE Quinton Coples
138 votes
QB Ryan Tannehill
154 votes
SS Mark Barron
38 votes

1040 votes | Poll has closed

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RGIII...

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"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra

by #1Heatfan on Feb 22, 2012 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

One can hope. lol

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Riley Reiff evaded a cop for 20 minutes while drunk.....

……………….. Really?!

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by Phinsphana on Feb 22, 2012 8:22 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

that boy is elusive. if we draft him, he should get a few carries...

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"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra

by #1Heatfan on Feb 22, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

NO, Riley...as in RILEY Reiff

by the way, Rec’d the original post, great writeup

Also, if you must know, Reiff once ran away from a police officer for over 20 minutes while being drunk.

So does anyone know if he plans to run the 40 at the combine while drunk?

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by DolphDallas on Feb 22, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Barron

Only if we trade down. If we stay at 8/9, and Riley is avaliable, that’s who I’d pick.

by Mr_Solo_Dolo on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Trade down

I think Miami will trade down for more picks, especially if they intend to draft Barron or Tannehill. I doubt you’ll see Miami draft an offensive lineman, they can be had later in the draft and John Jerry and Lydon murtha can compete for the RT spot. I am hoping Claiborne, RGIII or Blackmon falls to Miami at #9.

by tpl on Feb 22, 2012 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

Mike Mayock mentioned Bobby Massie and Cordy Glenn

as being a good 2nd round target for the Phins OL

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Defensive Line

If I had to guess, I would guess the Dolphins will draft a defensive lineman with the 8th or 9th pick. Joe Philbin comes from a team that has a drafting philosophy of taking defensive linemen high. In Green Bay’s past 22 first round draft picks, 6 were used on defensive backs, 5 on offensive tackles, 4 on defensive linemen, 4 on linebackers, 1 on a quarterback, 1 tight end, and 1 receiver. Based on the value that will be there when Miami picks, I think it is likely that they go defensive line, particuarly since they want to be a hybrid front.

The other thing I look at is Jeff Ireland’s history. How much is the prototypical size standard that he has always employed going to be in play here? I think this could possibly rule Melvin Ingram and Courtney Upshaw out. Neither have the height or long arms that Jeff values in his outside rushers.

I think Miami will be looking at:

Quentin Coples, 6’5", 281 lbs, North Carolina
Devon Still, 6’5", 310 lbs, Penn State
Fletcher Cox, 6’4", 295 lbs, Mississippi State
Dontari Poe, 6’5", 350 lbs, Memphis
Michael Brockers, 6’5", 285 lbs, LSU

by KB21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think you can base on what Philbin would do based on GB's selections.

Philbin didn’t have final say and had little say overall most likely. Ted Thompson had final say over it and McCarthy was the biggest contributor to Thompson. Philbin had nothing to do with GB’s defense. Even here, Ireland still has the final authority.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I really don't think the Dolphins will touch Coples with a ten foot pole

The only way is if he knocks it out of the park in the interview. Philbin mentioned in his introductory press conference they want players that are more concerned with winning then for personal statistics. Many scouts say Coples didn’t play hard in his Senior season and most think it was so he wouldn’t get hurt. Everything I have read about Coples tells me he isn’t the type of player Philbin wants.

Mike Mayocks thoughts on Coples (at 6:40 mark): http://thefinsiders.com/blog/2012/mike-mayock%E2%80%99s-breakdown-on-qbs-in-the-draft-2

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

TRADE DOWN please...

At the 8/9 spot I don’t like any of these guys… really. The top 5 guys in the draft are great after that there is a little bit of a fall off right away.
*Andrew Luck QB Stanford
*Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
*Morris Claiborne CB LSU
*Trent Richardson RB Alabama
*Robert Griffin QB Baylor

I think these players are no brainers for the dolphins if one werer to fall – but they won’t

going down the draft – MANY odf these players would be good fits for the dolphins – and after a TRADE DOWN would be the best idea (getting a 2-for 1)

Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
*Riley Reiff OT Iowa
Kendall Wright WR Baylor
*Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama (O)
Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina (OLB)
*David DeCastro OG Stanford
*Matt Kalil OT Southern California
*Jonathan Martin OT Stanford

Courtney Upshaw LB Alabama
Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama (O)
*Nick Perry DE Southern California (OLB)
*Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College
Cordy Glenn G/T Georgia
Mike Adams OT Ohio State (O)
*Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
*Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M (X)
Zach Brown OLB North Carolina
*Donta’ Hightower LB Alabama (OLB)

Looking at the last 10 positions here You can see that several players would work for us lower down, and provide MORE value picked lower.
I really like these players in rd. 1 for miami AFTER a trade down:
KENDALL WRIGHT
RYAN TANNEYHILL
REIFF
DECASTRO
KUECHLY
If we do not trade down – then we will most likely overpay for an OL again…

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by 62Lou on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Decastro and others to not overlook

Trade down and get more picks makes the best sense unless you have DB Claiborne sitting there. DeCastro definitely has what it takes to start right away. We should look at Foles or Weeden for QB. LB Zach Brown, OT Cordy Glen would be great playing guard. DT Brandon Thompson and lets not forget our need at TE Ladarius Green There a great safety Sean Richardson who should be there in the 5th.

by dolfan on Mar 3, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

trade down

Talent is deep in this draft. More picks is going to help.

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by carabetta13 on Feb 22, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm just worried people are going to flip out if our first round choice is an OL.

I remember people flipped out with a DE, except now they want another.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Different situation

When we drafted Odrick to play DE in our 3-4, DE was our strength. Now we need a pass rusher opposite Wake and everyone knows that. Most people just find it hard to stomach having drafted 3 OL in 5 years in the first. The only current team I can think of that has done that at all is the 49ers and they had 7 1st round picks during that span (I think).

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I do think there is a difference

A 4-3 DE is a sexier pick than a 3-4 DE. If Miami stays a hybrid they’d also need a NT, but nobody mentions Dontari Poe.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

He would be a great pick in the 2nd round, if available

I think he could play both NT & DT very easily.

Speaking of the Hybrid, that is another one of the reasons I don’t see the Dolphins picking Coples. I don’t think he can be anything but a DE in the 4-3. Did you listen to Mike Mayocks discussion on possible Dolphin selections at 8/9 on the Finsiders?

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ingram seems great for a hybrid role

I didn’t realize he was so versatile. The only real knock on him is height, but maybe he got enough football IQ to make it a non-factor….

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by Red Dog on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying he is going to be like Dwight Freeney

but he is about the same size.

The key drills to watch Ingram in at the combine is the 3 cone, shuttle and his 10 yard split on the 40 yard, those will show just how quickly he can get to the QB.

Cameron Wakes combine numbers to compare: 4.65 40 yard 2.67 20 yard split 1.63 10 yard split 20 bench press 45 1/2 vertical 10’10" broad jump 4.13 shuttle 7.12 3-cone. BTW looking at those his broad-jump and vertical are very impressive.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I really struggle to picture Poe being available to us in the 2nd.

There are some teams that would absolutely love to have him. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see NE even show interest if they’re willing to look for a successer for Wilfork. Plus a combination of Poe/Wilfork in 4-3 alignments could be trouble for OLs.

As for Coples, he can play 4-3 DT as well as 4-3 DE so he does have some versatility. I don’t necessarily see him as a 3-4 (we don’t really need him as a 3-4 DE), but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him eventually be able to pick it up if asked.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably not but 8/9 wouldn't be the best value for him either

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually don't think it's far off. I see him as a mid-first round prospect.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i like ta'amu a bit better than i like poe though

Something about the kid reminds me of Casey Hampton

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Im still on the draft Decastro bandwagon

I am actually suprised theres no mention of him here. Here is the thing, our interior Oline would be set rather cheaply, and if ever there were a chance to take a premium Guard, this guy would be it.

One look at the elite olines would show, that while decent Guards could be taken in round 2, the elite of the elite were found in round 1.

Logan Mankins was a first round selection, he has been a solid force and retained his first round value in the 7 years hes been in the NFL.

Chris Snee has anchored the NY Giants Oline for many years, and is just now showing decline.

Mike Iupati is an underrated guard playing in San Francisco, but stats will show this first round pick was essential in both run and pass blocking for his teams surgence into the playoffs.

Ben Grubbs is a huge contributer, again a first round pick

Steve Hutchinson, at 35 is still one of the better guards.

Andy Levitre, buffalo

Brandon Waters

Marshal Yanda

These are the top guards in the nfl, and u guessed it, were all first round picks.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

You also fail to list

some of the best guards in the NFL:
Evan Mathis – 3rd round pick
Jahri Evans – 4th round pick
Josh Sitton – 4th round pick
Carl Nicks – 5th round pick
Jake Scott – 5th round pick
Brandon Moore – Undrafted

Some from your list:
Chris Snee – Was a 2nd round pick
Andy Levitre – He was a 2nd round pick
Marshal Yanda – He was a 3rd round pick
Who is Brandon Waters? Did you mean Brian Waters? He was undrafted.

David Decastro is probably the best OG to come to the draft since Steve Hutchinson but you don’t draft a position that can have quality players later when premier positions are of greater need (pass-rusher, QB). If we had the Bengals picks I would be all for Decastro. In that scenario something like Decastro at 17 and Tennehill at 21 (if both available) would be great.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Strange thing is...

You can say that for any position. Whether it is undrafted WRs like Wes Welker, Rod Smith, etc or DEs like Jason Taylor. Maybe even LBs like Zach Thomas or QBs because of Tom Brady.

I don’t think it’s really a smart move to pass over players simply because quality guys can be found in later rounds. No matter the position, most late round picks still usually fail to do much in the NFL more than they end up having solid impacts.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

There are not very many positions (or any at all)

where the top players in the league were not 1st rounders like OG. There is a reason why out of the 8 players named to the Pro Bowl this past year the highest any of them was drafted was Davin Joseph at 23 overall. Even the ones drafted in the 1st were low round, Mankins was 32nd, Grubbs was 29th.

His statement:

These are the top guards in the nfl, and u guessed it, were all first round picks.
I didn’t find that statement factual at all. I like Decastro but anything higher than late teens is not the best value for a position that an overwhelming majority of the best in the NFL come from 2nd day picks.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

But some of the top Guards are also first round picks.

Just like you have many top WRs and RBs that aren’t first rounders. You also have some top OTs like Jason Peters (undrafted), Michael Roos (2nd round), David Stewart (4th round), and Matt Light (2nd round) that weren’t first round picks. So really, we should be looking at DEs since we can always find quality OTs later in the draft. Except Trent Cole (5th round), Jared Allen (4th round), Robert Mathis (5th round), Cliff Avril (3rd round), Justin Tuck (3rd round), and Osi Umenyiora (2nd round) weren’t second round picks either. Shouldn’t we pass over Coples and Ingram because the same can be said about DEs?

Fortunately the top NTs are generally first round picks. Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, and Haloti Ngata were all first round picks and are perhaps the top 3 NTs in the NFL. Should Miami either use their first round pick on RYan Tannehill or Dontari Poe since other positions can yield good players later in the draft?

Personally, I feel that teams need some type of mixed formula based on needs and best player available. If DeCastro ends up being the pick, then so be it.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So I decided to take up the challenge of the top guards

So I took the top 30 rated OG in 2011 by Pro Football Focus and see where exactly they were drafted. There are 3 of the 30 drafted in the first round, I guess you could say 4 as Logan Mankins was ranked 31st.

So below is the top 30 by PFF and where they were drafted:
1. Evan Mathis – 3rd round pick
2. Carl Nicks – 5th round pick
3. Marshal Yanda – 3rd round pick
4. Brian Waters – Undrafted
5. Josh Sitton – 4th round pick
6. Andy Levitre – 2nd round pick
7. Jake Scott – 5th round pick
8. Steve Hutchinson – 1st round pick (17th overall)
9. Chad Rinehart – 3rd round pick
10. Jahri Evans – 4th round pick
11. Mike Iupati – 1st round pick (17th overall)
12. Ben Grubbs – 1st round pick (29th overall)
13. Leroy Harris – 4th round pick
14. Kris Dielman – Undrafted
14. Rob Sims – 4th round pick
16. Montrae Holland – 4th round pick
16. Kraig Urbik – 3rd round pick
18. Brandon Moore – Undrafted
18. Joe Berger – 6th round pick
20. Stephen Peterman – 3rd round pick
21. T.J. Lang – 4th round pick
22. Jon Asamoah – 3rd round pick
23. Bobbie Williams – 2nd round pick
23. Ryan Lilja – Undrafted
25. Jeremy Zuttah – 3rd round pick
26. Uche Nwaneri – 5th round pick
27. Geoff Hangartner – 5th round pick
28. Mike Pollak – 2nd round pick
29. Harvey Dahl – Undrafted
29. Edwin Williams – Undrafted

WRT to NT, it is such a specialized position it makes sense that the best players always seem to be drafted in the 1st. It is difficult to find a true NT, which is one of biggest components of the 3-4. Speaking of Poe, he may be best compared to Wilfork and Ngata as they both play NT/DT. I do agree 100% the best formula is BPA.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I do like PFF, but I don't think you can take a single year of ratings and see who is best

After all, they have Joe Berger at 18 and Logan Mankins isn’t even on the list. I’m not ready to say Berger is better nor am I ready to say Sitton is a top 5 OG.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

neither snee nor levitre were second round picks

As for brandon waters yeah i meant brian, but my spellcheck did the thinking for me.

Snee was a late first round pick, and buffalo used their second first round pick for Levitre, they actually used both first rounders on linemen that year.

As for premium at a later round, would mainly hold true if we werent looking for a LG that can actually pull akd take some of the pressure off of, and prolong Jakes career. As well as allow Pounceys primary focus to become playing Center and not have to be used as the lines puller.

There are only two of those guys in this years draft. One has a first round grade, the other a second.

As for needing a pass rusher opposite Wake, the same thing can be said about a draft class as deep as this with linebackers that one can be found in rounds 2-3.

Ronnell Lewis, Bobby Wagner, Jonathan Massaquoi, Shea McClellin, Cam Johnson, are all just a few names projected as talent that could be had in the second round.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 22, 2012 4:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Dude!

You need to look up your info. Levitre was the 4th pick by the Bills In the 2009 draft, 51st overall. They picked Maybin, Eric Wood in the 1st then Byrd and Levitre in the second. As for Snee the Giants selected him 34th overall, the top of the second round (same year they drafted Philip Rivers 4th overall).

As for Brian Waters, I re-read my comment and it came across kind of snooty and it wasn’t meant that way. I apologize if it seemed that way.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i looked and it said he was drafted in the first round, and that buffalo had 2 first round picks that year both were offensive linemen

Then again same person also said snee was a first rounder, i could be wrong on both counts, but im just quoting the person tht wrote the article >.< sorry if i seem rude, been writing a 20 page paper for my sociology class and the reading aint the page turner youd hope for,lol.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 22, 2012 9:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They did have 2 first rounders and did take 2 OL early in that draft

but it was Aaron Maybin 9th overall, Eric Wood 28th overall, Jairus Byrd 42nd overall and Andy Levitre 51st overall.

I wish we had 4 picks in the top 51 this year!

Yikes, Sociology, for the most part I don’t miss school at all.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 23, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad I'm not deciding what to do....

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by Alpha6 on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah...

We have a lot of options we can go. Fortunately, I think we have a lot of good options. I think we’re in a better spot than last year where there weren’t many players ranked around Miami’s spot that I felt pretty highly about.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally forgot about Barron.

Only if we trade down though…a safety shouldn’t go that high

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by Kdog92 on Feb 22, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Barron would be a hell of a pick, but I wouldn’t want him for anything above the #15 pick I think.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He would instantly make SS and VD significantly better IMO

It would be a massive upgrade for one of our major weaknesses. You are right though, he is no Eric Berry and 15 or so seems about right.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it will all depend on which FA QB we get.

If it’s Flynn we get Ingram in the first and Sanders in the second.

If it’s Manning we get Reiff in the first and either Tannehill or Curry in the second.

If it’s neither we go the same way as we do for Flynn and start looking at Barkley.

by LimeyPhin on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Tannehill is going in the 1st, book it.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, maybe.. but not top ten....

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by Alpha6 on Feb 22, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ninth.

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by Dolfan88 on Feb 22, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If I could run from a cop for 20 minutes drunk

I would be a running back. Let’s draft Riley Reiff as our new starting RB :D

by BlaqDolfin on Feb 22, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

I think nobody wanted to really catch him.. lol

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by Alpha6 on Feb 22, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is Blackmon on this list???

It is very possible he could fall to us at 8 or 9, yet I don’t hear anybody talking about him for the Dolphins. Imagine Marshall & Blackmon together with Flynn….SHOWTIME folks!

by Amp88Energy on Feb 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

If Blackmon is there, I would take him in a heartbeat.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

O

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by AlejandroN on Feb 22, 2012 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd take him in a heartbeat as well

But I just find it really difficult to believe that Blackmon drops down further than 6. That’s why he’s not on the list.

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by AlejandroN on Feb 22, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, don't see him getting past the Redskins.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Stupid phone won't let me reply...

I agree Alejandro. The chance of Blackmo being available at 8 or 9 are about the same as RGIII being available at 8 or 9.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 22, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

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