Where Will We Be In 3 Years?
Hey all. I am a lifelong Miami Dolphins fan and new to the site. I am ecstatic to be a part of the Dolphin community. I met Dan Marino when I was 5 years old in Parkersburg, West Virginia, and the fandom has slowly escalated every year since. I am from southeast Ohio, so my isolation has only enhanced my love of the fins. When I was a kid, we were always on the cusp, but never won the ultimate prize. In the last 10 years, we show flashes, but it's never enough. There is no stability. Ownership changes, coaching changes, personnel changes. You can't be a Dolphins fan, and not be patient. The way I look at it, when we eventually win it all, it will be that much sweeter enduring this torture. With that being said, I ask you this: where will we be in 3 years?
Mock drafting is fun. Free agent speculation is okay. But what I really want to know is where are we headed. If we really want to win, it is my belief it begins with winning the division. Which essentially means, how do we take care of the Pats? (Sorry to all you contrarians, but the Jets don't scare me. I think they are in worse shape than we are.) If you watched week 1, and almost puked in your mouth when Wes Welker had a 99 yd. TD catch, then you will agree with me that we need two things: pressure on the QB and secondary. Scheme can only help so much. The two are directly related - pressure on the QB makes your secondary look good, an excellent secondary makes your pass rush look good. We were 25th in the league against the pass. Hopefully Coyle's DB background will improve the secondary instantly, but 25th will not get it done.
On offense, I am just crossing my fingers that Philbin's scheme will highlight the strengths of our players. The last half of the season, our offense was pretty good. Bush emerged. Moore made good throws. I am reluctant to spend many picks on offense, which might put me in the minority. But I think we have good pieces for an explosive offense, with the exception of some OL help. Bush and Thomas, BM (who I affectionately call Squirt), Davone Bess who is vastly underrated. Some decent role players. I think Moore deserves another chance (not to say we couldn't find someone to groom). Long is a perennial Pro Bowler and Pouncey will soon be - the two most important positions on the OL. When our offense finally clicked last year, it was fun to watch. If you can't tell, defense is my concern. We generated little pressure and didn't force enough turnovers.
For all you QB homers, finding a franchise QB is a matter of luck. Aaron Rodgers was passed on by dozens of teams. So was Brees. So was Brady. GM's and scouts are paid millions of dollars to find these players. Finding a QB is hard, and it's a complex myriad of factors that determines if someone will succeed or not. So I am not willing to mortgage our draft and possibly high picks for next year for one player. I don't care if it's QB. I know finding a franchise QB is our front office's number one priority, but that doesn't mean we spend our resources like a crackhead. We have plenty of holes to fill. If we take a QB in round 1, I sure as hell hope we trade down to do it, because RGIII ain't fallin' that far (who isn't a sure thing anyway).
With all this rambling aside, where will we be in 3 years? How will we get there? I open the floor to the best fans in the world. Much respect to you all. And again, glad to be a part of the community! Peace.
Year 1: Improve, become familiar with the schemes. Build through the draft. Reward our important pieces. Don't fire anyone.
Year 2: Win Division. Playoffs. Add depth. Don't fire anyone.
Year 3: Super Bowl.
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Welcome
I’m on the fence with our QB situation. I just hope whatever we do makes us better, I’m just glad I don’t have to make that decision.
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Thanks for the welcoming
QB is a sticky situation for me, too. How many elite QB’s are in the league? Maybe 10? Seeing as how those elite 10 came from about 12 years of drafts, I would rather just get lucky than spend a ton on a QB that is gonna cost us multiple high draft picks who likely won’t pan out. Of course, knowing my luck and being a Dolphins fan, we will pass on a guy that will rewrite the record books. Like you said, glad it’s not my decision.
by SUTTON on Feb 19, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed the draft is a hit and miss NO ONE NOT ONE player is guranteed success!
Luck could even be a miss RG3 could be a miss Blackmon could be a miss etc.
A list of No.1 pick QB busts from 99-11: Carr, Russell, Couch and Vick?
The other QB’s drafted at No.1: Manning, Palmer, Smith and Bradford
In just over the last decade it’s been a 50/50
Is it really worth throwing away our draft for a 50/50 shot?
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by AussiePhinfan on Feb 19, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Also it's 50/50 for whether being a bust or not. Not a franchise qb or not.
Which would make it a 75/25 for a franchise QB (Bradford and Manning). Even though Bradford is not considered one yet he has shown he has the potential to be one.
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by AussiePhinfan on Feb 19, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto.
And that’s the #1 player! That’s why I’m reluctant to mortgage the future of our team, the same people who also happen to not cost ridiculous amounts of money against our cap. I am all about drafting a QB…IF IT’S A GOOD VALUE. We have missed on so many free agent and draft QB’s that we are bound to be right on one of them. Getting a QB is lucky, not a matter of catapulting yourself as high as you can in the draft order. Let’s get a guy we like without giving our whole draft away. Remember the Wannstedt years, guys? Those drafts were 1) boring, because we had no picks and 2) decimated our team for years after the ’stache left us.
3 years? No.
That has been now disallowed in the NFL.
But your points are valid. An O line can make a QB shine. A D line can make the DB’s into pro-bowlers.
Lost on us fans is that pigskin play is a team sport and finding the right mix is the coaches job (ok, the GM’s and Owner, too).
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A team sport you say?????
Blasphemy!!! All you need is a franchise QB and a bunch of scrubs and you will win the Super Bowl every year!!! As our 17 years with Dan Marino proved.
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I think I might be slightly biased because I don’t like to agree with the media and the majority. All I hear is QB, QB, you need a QB, have to have a QB. I want to win a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB just to spite them. You are exactly right, it’s a team sport. QB’s and coaches get all the credit and all the blame. I am not on the Eli the Elite bandwagon, and if the Giants can win multiple Super Bowls, then why not us? I want to build through the draft, not throw it away. Of the 4 teams that were in the championship games this year, 3 of them had average to above average QB’s: Flacco, Smith, Manning. None, in my humble opinion, were “elite”. It CAN be done.
Oh, I forgot
And the one with the “elite” QB did not win. Hehehehe. I hate the Patriots so much.
I disagree with you on Manning.
IMO he is an elite QB. He has won 2 superbowls and he consistently carries his teams to victory when they are behind in the 4th quarter. That is exactly hat I would want in a franchise QB…
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Eli has something alot of QB's don't an elite D.
Look at Flacco terrible on a different for sure but his D almost got him to the SB and the would’ve beaten the Giants IMO the Niners deserved to go to the SB but kyle williams screwed that up he single handed lost the game.
Hakeem nicks also deserved MVP for a 10 catch (T-2nd most SB history) 106yds game. Eli is no better than rivers why do people think eli is better than rivers ESPN and other media I have even found articles saying his better than peyton and him being in the HOF his statistics are nowhere near good enough for the HOF an 82.1 career rating is all I can say.
Eli is overrated when I say this i’m not saying he’s worse than Moore Smith or any average QB. I’m just saying his not elite. Rivers beats him in almost every career statistic including QB rating, less INTs and both came in the same draft and if you bring SB’s into the argument is every QB that has won a SB better than Marino Nooooooooo!!!!!
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by AussiePhinfan on Feb 19, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
*team (after different in first sentence)
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by AussiePhinfan on Feb 19, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
well, I completely disagree with you
in fact, I would say Eli is underrated, not overrated and also much better than Rivers (who I do not consider elite). I see Rivers as the Melo of the NFL, he puts up #‘s but, the #’s do not translate into wins. Yes Manning has a good Defense which is huge, but he just wins. He also consistently comes through in the clutch and puts the team on his back when they are behind. That is all you can ask for as a franchise QB/face of the franchise IMO…
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I'm not saying rivers is elite they are both franchise QB's but I just think he's not a HOF
that’s why I think he’s overrated (Manning). If both had equal talented teams you could see why I compare the two, rivers has had his shots in the playoffs but I fail to understand why Eli can be a HOF without rivers being considered elite at least. They are both close to elite but not yet IMO.
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by AussiePhinfan on Feb 19, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants defense was not elite this year...
They weren’t elite in 2007 either. They have a very good front four, but that doesn’t make them elite.
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The facts are the in Both NYG Super Bowl Wins, the offense had to drive the length of the field in the final 3:00 minutes to win the game. The QB had to make a drive TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL.
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With a pass rush and safety help our D could dominate.
But what we need IMO is an offense that can overpower teams. Look at the patsies, the Saints and the Pack: all with mediocre to terrible defenses but the common denominator is the QB position. I recognize the fact that an elite defense can carry the Trent Dilfers of the NFL to a Lombardi but I want an elite QB now…or at least one that has that potential.
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True.
I think that’s why we brought in Philbin. We will hopefully have some continuity with our offensive personnel as well. He and Sherman will be able to use the pieces we have in place and get better results. But I am reluctant to get in any shootout with any of your aforementioned teams with Moore, Manning, Flynn, or any rookie QB. I think we need to take a different route. Get pressure on those elite QB’s and win the turnover battle. I wish finding an elite QB was as easy as just wanting one, but it’s gonna take some luck. Just cause I’m drunk doesn’t mean I have to take the fat girl home. Likewise, just cause we need a QB doesn’t mean we have to spend lavishly or mortgage draft picks to get it. Finding a QB is lucky…you’ll hear me say that a lot. Get a QB but only if the price is right.
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I think there are two things that a team needs to win consistently in the NFL. They need quality QB play. They need a QB that can take over a game, a QB that you want the ball in their hands when the game is on the line. Since Marino, the Phins haven’t had that.
The other thing is a pass rush. The ability to make those “take over a game” QB’s blink or pause. To get them off their “spot” and make them uncomfortable.
The league is dominated by QB. Getting one and pressuring them are any teams top priority. Really, all other positions on the field pale by comparison.
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Agreed.
Thanks for the welcoming, too. Couldn’t agree more, and I think that’s as simple as you can boil it down. Get a good QB, pressure the other QB. I anticipate getting a pass rusher in some capacity, either FA or draft. My reasoning for wanting some secondary is the number of 3 and 4 receiver sets used by the Bills and Patriots. Since I think winning the division is so important, I want to beat those teams, obviously. I know the Pats had a lot of 2 TE sets this year, but they still open it up with frequency. Our pass rush might be a little better when our guys can cover the WR’s a little bit longer. Which is why I’d like both pass rushers and secondary – it will only help us in the battle to take down the AFC East.
The problem our secondary has is that too many of the players (Davis, Bell, Clemens, Jones) can't play man coverage.
Therefore you have to play a lot of zone. Giving the likes of Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez zone defenses in the middle of the field are like stealing to Brady.
To contain Brady, you need your CB’s to man up outside. You need your NB and LB’s to cover man. You need your safeties to cover a ton of field in 2 Deep Zone. That is a Cover 2 Man Under coverage. Right now, the Phins don’t have the CB’s and Safeties to play that coverage. Everytime they play man, they get toasted and Mike Nolan knew that.
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Good post but we need more
I agree with one thought, we need stability in the franchise. The only way we get stability in the franchise is by winning. If we make the playoffs during year two of your scenario no one will get fired. As long as we continue to make the playoffs or we are one or two games close we will have stability.
I dont agree with your take on Matt Moore and his future with the Dolphins. Matt is a good back up quarterback. I would love to have him as a number 2 but, if he is not deserving of top 10 quarterback money so he is not deserving to be the number 1. I say try to bring in Matt Flynn, forget about RGIII, and draft another quarterback in the 3rd round to compete against Moore.
The O line desperately needs to get fix. Long nothing else to say, Incognito stable not great but he has been one of the best free agent aquisitions we have had in a long time. We are set at center for the next 5 years. Right guard draft in the 4th or 5th round, or pick up a cheap free agent. Right tackle draft Riley or pick up some one in the 2nd round. The backups we have will work great at backups in case we need them.
Tight end lower Fasaon’s money, draft Fleener or go after Finley. Clay is serviceable at Hback, but he is not a line blocker.
Wide receiver, Marshall is a diva if we can trade him for at least a number 2 I will take it. Hartline is there nothing spectaculor, he would not make half the other NFL teams. Draft some one in the third round or pick up Garcon or Wayne in free agency. Bess needs to be used more, he needs at least 80 receptions a year and 4-5 touchdowns, he is that good. Gates we need alot more production, there is no way we should have gotten so little out of him last year. Give Moore or Wallace a shot, they may the the next Cruz.
At running back, the jury for me is still out for Bush. I want to see two years of production. Thomas is slow as predicted coming out of the draft. The dolphins said they timed him faster but I really doudt it. Draft a running back in the fifth or six round that can battle Thomas and be a good pass catcher on the third round.
At defense who cares what system we run, get help for Wake. Wake is a speed rusher, but if he looses any of his speed he is dead, he is not big enough to compete against athletic tackle, just look at the Patriots game and see how a rookie Solder just neutralized him. Pick up in free agency Avril, Williams, Cambell, or a nice size 4-3 end.
At linebacker we are set once we cut our looses with Misi. He can’t ruch the passer or cover a tightend, so why we need him. Burnett, keep him and sign him for a longer contract as he can be a real good player. Dansby is a solid player but not a playmaker.
At corner we are set if they stay healthy, we still need a third corner, or some one to push Smith. Allen is over the hill and if he can cover Cruz or Welker we dont need him. At safey, pick up some one in the draft, get a free agent. Bell is really good, but I don’t know how much longer he will last. We need a fast free safety that can actually make plays.
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by dolphin fan in va on Feb 19, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions
In depth. I like it.
I think Matt Moore deserves a chance to compete, that’s all. I had a lot of respect for the way he played when he had the chance, and although he wasn’t elite by any stretch of the imagination, he looked more fluid and “in control” than any Dolphins QB I’ve seen in the last 3 or so years (I know that’s not saying much). I actually had some hope in him, so I think he deserves a chance. But I’m not so naive to think he is our future. Give him some competition, whether through FA or draft. But don’t reach for a QB.
Completely agree with you though: winning solves everything. Winning will give us much needed stability to the franchise.
I beleive with a few years of starting...
Matt Moore could be the next Eli Manning, cause manning was never really above average till this year, it took him a while, I still dont see him rivaling Peyton in talent ability, etc. ever. But I still would like to go after Flynn, and if we dont land a franchise QB, I would be happy with Moore as my starter in a worse case scenario, remember we were 6-3 in our last 9 without a passrusher, RT, RG, everything we “need” so why dont we just cut our losses and build a team around Moore if we dont get Flynn, and I dont want RG3, or Peyton Manning, or even Tannehill, maybe draft Osweiler or the guy from OSU to compete with Moore
Matt Moore can't even carry Eli's jock.
You don’t just “above average” your way to 3 straight 4000 yd seasons.
69-55 career record is pretty nifty too. 119 starts…..24 game winning drives! That means once every 5 games Eli loads the team up on his shoulder bus and wins the game. 3 – 4 times a year on average depending on playoffs. I was a big Eli hater before, but he’s fully earned my respect. He can lead my team anywhere.
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this is going to sound terrible, but...
1. if we get Manning, we will be rebuilding in 3 years (maybe even sooner)
2. if we get Flynn we will be in the same place 3 years from now. We will still be looking for a Franchise QB only all our great pieces around QB will be 3 years older.
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I don’t know if I agree with you or not. If you think you can win a Super Bowl in 3 years with Manning, then go get him (if healthy). I don’t mind rebuilding after winning a Super Bowl.
I just don’t know about Flynn. The Phins have gone the “Back-Up” route before at QB and it hasn’t worked so well. But it has worked before with other teams, so there is a chance it could work in Miami.
I’ve been pretty consistent on this point that I think the Phins should target a QB in the draft and do what is necessary to get that guy. I wish they would go that route, but I don’t think they will.
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I agree with you
I want us to get the QB through the draft, but we are most likely not to do that
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There is still the draft, FA and trades during those 3 years...
So it’s not like Ireland is sitting there doing nothing letting our team grow old without finding young talented replacements like how he helped us get bush, pouncey, clay, wilson etc.
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by AussiePhinfan on Feb 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
we are, for the most part, at the cap, so there really will not be any huge additions during those years without us first losing people...
A ton of our cap is tied up in BM and J Long and neither of those guys are going anywhere. Plus, if we do go the Manning route, any new FA addition will be aimed at winning now which usually means the player is a bit older, thus wouldnt be around that long either
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We're actually between $12-$15 mil under the cap.
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yes, but if we sign Manning, we are much closer than that, which is what i meant to say, i just want clear enough...
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I see.
You’re definitely right on that one. If we sign Manning, we’re not doing other signings like getting Mathis, Grubbs, Nicks, or even Scott. If we sign him, that’ll likely be our standout signing in FA.
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As I predict either a misfire from a cannon or our resident circus monkey will cause her downfall.
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Whereabouts in SE Ohio?
Zanesville here. I’m in the camp that as long as they make a real attempt to upgrade at QB, then I’ll accept the results. Perrsonally, I’m rooting for a healthy Peyton, coupled with Tannehill chaser in the draft, hoping he would be starting material by the time PM is done
by blackadder_650 on Feb 19, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good post.
I think your assessments are on point, EXCEPT…
Eli Manning is an elite QB. I’d bet there are at least 25 other teams that would swap QB’s with the NYG. Other than the case of “dumb face”, I don’t know what that guy has to do to earn his respect.
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 19, 2012 3:31 PM EST reply actions
Thanks OFF4L
I thought I was the only one! It’s been so lonely! Nice to know there are other Ohio/Dolphin fans out there. I’ve heard a lot about you on here and it’s a pleasure to be welcomed by such a well-respected Dolphins fan.
Great Post an Welcome
Your views are great and I definetly agree with don’t fire anyone else!!! Haha I do think we need to draft one Reciever because I’m not even th closest bit impressed with Brian Hartline
True.
It would be nice to have an extra West Coast receiver to pair with BM (Squirt). I think Bess could be a monster in the West Coast scheme working in the slot. Nothing too high, though. Maybe a 4th or 5th rounder, or possibly address it in free agency.
Thanks for all the Welcome...You guys are great!!!!
I knew I loved you guys for a reason. With that being said, I don’t want anyone to get the impression that I don’t think we need a QB. WE DO. The point I was making is that I don’t want to mortgage this (and likely next year’s) high draft picks when we have multiple holes to fill. It’s a QB-starved league, and we are on the verge of an “Alive”-esque scenario where we are going to start eating each other we are so hungry. I’m just not comfortable with Manning or Flynn. Maybe I’m just a jaded Dolphins fan but I think Culpepper and AJ Feeley. I want a QB, but at a good value. Pick a QB who we think is good and roll the dice like everyone else that he pans out. But don’t throw away the future core of our team. BTW, I’m not an Eli hater, I respect what he’s done. I simply, respectfully, humbly suggest that he’s not elite. In my opinion, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are the only “elite” QB’s. Eli has won 2 super bowls, granted. But his numbers were skewed this year because he had no running game and threw it more than anytime in his career. Not hating, just engaging in a little counterattack. Peace. Coin flip is almost upon us!!!!
One last Eli thing and then I'm done
Because the point of the post was to talk about the future of our beloved team. Statistics can be made to say whatever you want. Stats can be used to prove Eli is good, and stats can be used to prove he’s not good. It’s however you want to spin it. He just doesn’t pass the eye test for me. Simple as that. But I certainly respect what he’s done.
Just look at what he has done in the 4th quarter. He has carried that team so many times.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 21, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. I know.
But I think we glorify comeback victories too much. Why were they down in the first place? I would argue that he’s inconsistent, and shows up when he has to. If that’s your definition of a franchise, elite QB, so be it.
If they didn’t squeak into the playoffs this year, would we be having this conversation?
Seriously dudes, enough about Eli. I want this post to be about the Dolphins.
No its not that he is inconsistent as much as his team around him is not that great.
Marino had so many 4th quarter comebacks and not because he was not good or inconsistent but because he was so much better then the rest of the team and carried them at times. Don’t get me wrong, it helped the Giants win it all in the end because they found their stellar pass rush again but it was Manning that kept them in it long enough to get there.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 21, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Coin Flip Question
Does anyone know what day of the combine the coin flip takes place? Is it the 1st day?
Thanks all. And thanks again for all the responses so far. I was hoping my first post would be mildly engaging and want to thank everyone for participating. Hopefully we can keep it going! In my mind, there is no more pressing issue than where our franchise is headed. I don’t want to feel like we are running in circles like in year’s past.
In three years
We will be looking for a new head coach and flying another “Fire Jeff Ireland” banner if we don’t get a quarterback. If we are building this thing around guys like Matt Moore and Matt Flynn, we’ll be back here again 3 years from now, just like we were 3 years ago.. And 3 years before that. Rinse, repeat.
We will not be a consistent contender until we have a franchise quarterback.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Also
Eli is elite. Theres no way to argue against that anymore.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yep.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
sorry friend.
but i can argue all i want. since we are way too busy discussing Eli to talk about the future of the Dolphins organization, then I might as well oblige. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are in a class of their own. Eli is in the next tier. I think we are having a semantic argument about what elite means.
Giants have a ground game so the Qb is not Eli'te
IDK who brees, or Rodgers RB is!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Feb 26, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
So much pessimism in such a little body!
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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