Miami Dolphins Answer at Defensive End? May not be Robert Mathis, Cliff Avril, or a draft pick
There is one man out there that nobody has discussed for the Miami Dolphins defensive end position. The man is better than any draft prospect such as Quinton Coples or Marvin Ingram. He's a better DE than Robert Mathis and Cliff Avril. The only player that surpasses him in ability is Mario Williams. He has played all over the line and he could probably even handle pass rushing duties in some 3-4 alignments. He has had three seasons in which he has had over 10 sacks. The best part is Miami could get this man and then still draft a solid prospect with the #8 or #9 pick. They could address a position such as RT, RG, WR, TE, or FS with the pick and create the best pass rushing duo they've had since Jason Taylor and Adewale Ogunleye.
So who is this man that I am speaking so high of? Well, he happens to be Osi Umenyiora. I know what you're about to say. Yes, I realize Osi is not a free agent this year and is under contract with the Giants. Why would I think Miami could get him? Well, because he's been at odds with the Giants front office for a few years now as he's been trying to get a new contract. The G-Men gave Osi permission to seek a trade prior to the 2011 season, but they ultimately did not move him. With Jason Pierre-Paul's emergence at one end and having Justin Tuck on the other, the timing would be right for the Giants to move him. Osi is in his final year of the contract and it's unlikely he'd return to New York in 2013. They are over the salary cap and moving him would help free space and net them a draft pick(s) in return. Naturally, there are some reasons not to jump on this thought.
While many would advocate the signing of Robert Mathis, an aging vet at age 31, some may not be so quick to pull the trigger on Umenyiora, who will be 31 in November. Why not? Well, Miami wouldn't have to surrender a draft pick for Mathis. On top of that, Umenyiora and his new team would almost assuredly agree to a new contract prior to any trade agreement. Osi would be more expensive than Mathis and Cliff Avril.
Draft pick compensation will probably be the overriding factor in whether or not they would like to see Umenyiora in Miami. The Dolphins obviously would not have to surrender their first round pick, but it is possible they may have to surrender their second round pick. The price would be determined on the market for Umenyiora, but personally, I feel this is a buyer's market. For those wanting to make the big splash, Williams will be their target. Clubs will also be taking long looks at Mathis and Avril, assuming he doesn't receive the franchise tag. There are other quality options as well such as Mark Anderson and Matt Roth. Teams can even try reclamation projects such as Jamaal Anderson and Derrick Harvey. With two very good targets in Williams and Mathis along with a potential third target in Avril, the Giants won't be able to hold much leverage over other teams, especially when the rest of the NFL knows New York needs to clear cap space and doesn't have a big need for Umenyiora on their team. While a second round pick is definitely a possibility, the Dolphins may have a longshot of trying to acquire Umenyiora for a third round pick and may have to throw in another late round pick or future pick as well. Does Umenyiora become more enticing if he comes with a 3rd round pick? For many, absolutely.
The two other factors playing against Osi are age and money. He will be 31 this November and probably has 3 or 4 years of very good production left in him. That makes such a move a little questionable. For a high pick, that may be too little gas left in his tank. For a middle rounder, it should at least cause the front office to think long and hard. Money will also be a huge factor as it is very possible he could sign a deal ranging between 3 and 5 years for an average of $10-$12 mil per season. Generally, that would be worth it for a top DE. Unfortunately, it's for a top DE that doesn't have many years left and the price would only be in addition to compensation paid to New York. Still, it could be possible a trading partner could get a bit of a discount because it is a buyer's market and it's likely Umenyiora and his agent would rather take $8 mil per season now than finish the year out at $4 mil. They may realize that in 2013, the market for a 31 year-old DE may not be as high as they hope.
Now don't take this as I am asking Miami to go all in for Umenyiora. While I would love to see him play opposite of Cameron Wake, I am hesitant to pay such a price. A first round pick is out of the question and I'd have serious hesitations about a second round pick. I may be a little more comfortable if they gave us a pick in return, but I don't know. Now when you start talking about a third round pick, my interest would go up a considerable amount.
What do you think about Miami going after Osi Umenyiora?
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I would rather they draft a DE/OLB
If not in 1st rd, or later rounds…. Draft picks should be used to fill our many needs…
Wait till next year and sign Usi as FA.
if I have to target a DE in FA
first I go for someone that does not require draft picks compensation, second I target one of the Patriots DEs that are FAs this year. Even if they do not play all that well for the Phins, at least they won’t be playing with the Pats.
Osi for a 5th Round pick
I would try for him at 5th round value and go no higher than a 4th in a trade. Still to me Mario Williams should be the #1 option if Miami wants to make an upgrade at d-line prior to the draft. Even if the Dolphins can land either of these veterans I would still heavily consider drafting Ingram, Upshaw, or Coples with the #8/9 pick in the draft. The scheme versatility Miami would have with that personnel combined with Wake, Dansby, etc. would rival the best defensive front 7s in the league.
If he wouldn't be so expensive...then yes go after him
I’d rather us go after Coples or Ingram in the draft.
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Depends on how we land our franchise qb
if we happen to land 1 via draft, I say go get 1 of your aforementioned maquee FA., if we have to sign a top dollar FA qb, then our DE should come via the draft.
Get the best man to clear every hurdle that stand in the Dolphins way, go RG3.
RG3, the new Transformer of the future.
I like this idea...
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Im thinking as much as I would love to see Mario Williams or Osi here
A more logical choice would be Trevor Scott of the Oakland Raiders. As a rookie, he tied all rookies with 5 sacks his first season. The former 6th round pick was impressive when he recorded his first two sacks in a single game.
The thing we must remember is were looking for a number two to ASSIST in the pass rush, this could be our guy, and come on the cheap. He wont cost us draft picks, and playing along side Wake, Odrick, Starks could give us a productive hidden anomoly at DE.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 18, 2012 10:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
... and I like this idea....
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"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
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The only problem to this idea is that the reason he was out last season was because he tore his acl.
But seeing as it happened early in the season, he should be up and running at 95-100% by the start of training camp.
Needless to say, signing a guy like Scott would allow us to sign a guy like Zbikowski from from the Ravens, killing two birds with one stone, and allowing us to free up cap space while filling two voids at Safety and DE fairly cheap.
Another lesser known option would be to replace Bell with a guy that not too many people are familiar with, that we could get in the second round. The guys name is Lavontae David. He is my new Rd 2 mancrush, plays undersized olb, but at 225 lbs, has the body to play SS in a Polamalu role in the D.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Feb 18, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've heard of Lavontae...
… some still project him as a linebacker, but I see him going to safety in the mold of Louis Oliver.
A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
Freeney may also be an option
He is owed 14 million next season and count 17 million against the Colts cap. He may be released. He posses the same problem as Osi age and he’ll be expensive.
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