What I’d do were I Jeff Ireland
Which I am not, of course. First of all, just let me introduce myself, as it is the very first time I’m posting here, though I’ve been lurking around for quite a bit. As you can guess I’m from Spain, so please take anything I say with a grain of salt, or two: I get to see loads of NFL games, but about zero college games (well, not zero, but just three or four a year), so I’ve got no formed opinion on college players.
Now, to the point. First thing: I’m not sold on Flynn. Not at all. I don’t doubt that he’ll become a decent QB in the NFL, a nice starter who might even rack up big stats. I just don’t see him being great. And for the first time in a lifetime, I think the Dolphins can afford to get a great QB, or at least a potentially great QB. I’ll get to that in a minute.
Since I’m not sold on Flynn, what I see before me (in my Ireland impersonation) are two potential scenarios:
Case A: Peyton Manning is fully (or at least 90%) recovered by the start of free agency… and willing to sign for Miami. Then I just sign him. Incentive laden contract and all, but do anything I can to sign him. If the cap room is there (and it should be), I get Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garçon too. If I’m getting Manning, my SuperBowl window is just three, four years at best. So I try to get Manning as comfy as possible from the very start. Manning with Marshall, Wayne, Garçon, Bess and Fasano as targets sounds more than enough to me. Reggie Bush as a pass catching RB also seems like a nice fit.
Then there’s the draft. What I do with the draft is trade down in the first round. My goal is to get a low first round pick this year… and a first round pick next year. IIRC, there’s been lots of this trades in the past few years, so it should be doable. If I get an offer for my second round pick in the form of another first round pick for next year… then I also do it. As you can see, what I’m doing is piling up first round picks for next year because my goal then is… to get the QB for the future.
From what I read (more than I see, as said above), that should be either Matt Barkley or Landry Jones. And with Manning on board, I’m quite confident that I’ll need to trade up to get any of them. Having two first round picks next year sure would help doing it. Having three even more. With the remaining picks I draft at least an offensive lineman, a safety and, if possible, a tight end. I understand the need for a pass rusher, but I guess that would be difficult to get in the third round or later.
Case B: Peyton Manning is not fully recovered, or doesn’t want to sign with Miami. Then my target in free agency is Mario Williams. Break the bank and get him. At any cost. If there’s some money left, and again there should be, I try to get a receiver, a cheap one, but that should be productive. Again, Pierre Garçon seems like a nice option. Maybe Josh Morgan. I’d love to get Jermichael Finley… if the price’s right. Yes, he drops quite a few, but having two good TEs will make my new QB’s life much easier. But Mario Williams is my primary goal.
Where do I get my QB then? In the draft. I aim at the top pick, and offer whatever I need to get it. If it’s three first round picks, then so be it. If I also need to throw a second or third round pick, then I throw it. I want Andrew Luck. I don’t want Robert Griffin, who might be OK, but looks as a much bigger bust risk to me. Even with Luck, he might need some time to fully develop, so I’m guessing I need to win with defense the first (maybe) two seasons. That’s why I went for Mario Williams. And that’s why, apart from an offensive lineman, I’m using any other pick I have left on defense. A safety and whatever is available with my pick that looks as a good pick. Be it a tackle, a DE, a LB or a safety.
Quite frankly, I’d rather do Case A. And I only do Case B if my scouts tell me that Luck is the real deal. There’s also the possibility of doing some kind of mixture of both options: I sign Mario Williams, trade down in the draft to accumulate picks for next years, go with Matt Moore for 2012 and try to get Matt Barkley or Landry Jones in 2013.
But what it’s crystal clear to me is that I’ve got to risk it this time. I need to get that great QB that makes me a real contender. Not a good team that makes it to the playoffs, but a real SB threat. If I f*** it up, I know we’re screwed for the next few years, but I’d rather think big that be content with being just another 10-6/9-7 team always on the verge. And to avoid that… I need the great QB. Which Flynn does not look like, by any means.
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Great first piece
I like both your scenrios, but if I had to chose I would chose A and I really like the idea of stock piling picks for next year to move up a get a QB in 2013 (I hadn’t thought of that option).
Still I don’t think if we get Manning we will also get Wayne and Garcon, yet, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got Garcon because rumor is our front office was high on him in the draft. Also I agree go all-in for Manning and if that doesn’t work turn your attention to Williams. Nice read
by kermit the frogger29 on Feb 15, 2012 7:25 PM EST reply actions
Welcome to the site sir. Don't be a stranger!
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
Mario Williams
I definately like the idea of trading down for an additional first round pick next year, however, if Miami cannot sign manning they need to go after Flynn, and not mario williams. After Luck and RGIII, there aren’t any QB’s that are going to start this year, so you’re talking about Matt Moore being QB, with Devlin being a dark horse candidate. I think also there are some people on miami’s roster we can trade for additional draft picks this year.
Its hard to say that Mario Williams in a Dolphins uniform would be a bad thing...
So I won’t…. I would love to see Mario Williams in a Dolphins uniform. If we could swing it, sign Peyton Manning and Mario Williams, or Mario WIlliams and Matt Flynn. I will say that all of this depends on what Philbin thinks of Matt Flynn though. No one has worked with this guy more closely and can tell us if in fact he is the real deal or not. If Philbin who has seen Flynn next to Aaron Rodgers thinks this guy is good enough to bet his head coaching career on, then you snap him up for whatever the market price is and don’t look back.
That is of course assuming that Philbin thinks he could be the man, which is the assumption of everyone I have heard. No one has even brought up the possibility that PHILBIN KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS GUY. He has seen him next to Aaron Rodgers every day in practice and realizes that this kid is nothing but a career backup and does not want to tie his career to this guy. He knows that even though he threw for 480 yards and 6 TDs, but that was because his receivers stepped up and made plays because they knew they had to, to cover for Flynn. Maybe he is slower in the meeting room than any other QB he has ever seen in his life. Maybe he had to dumb down the playbook that week so that Matt Flynn would be able to run the offense… we really don’t know…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
Sorry man, but we don't have room for Mario + Flynn/Manning.
Mario will be getting a deal that’ll pay him over $12 mil a season. That’s how much cap room we have right now and we need $5 mil or so for rookies. Mario and Flynn would cost Miami around $20 mil and Mario + Manning could go up to $25 mil.
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I think you could do it if you wanted to. Also I double checked and the exemption is for 3 players at 1.5 mil EACH!
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be very tough.
If you signed both of them, you’d have to sign a bunch of minimum salary contracts just to fill out the roster. Plus that would require players like Bell and McDaniel to be released without adequately replacining them. As for the $1.5 mil each, I’m glad that means I can go back to my previous projections lol. It’s a great option, but you’re also borrowing against future caps. Being that the cap should rise pretty well in 2013, unlike this year, it may not be a terrible option if we need the room. That could raise our cap room to close to $133 million, of which, we currently sit around $114 mil.
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No that exemption lasts every year for some reason. It was the compromise that owners put in to make up
for the cap being actually lowered. That way there is money there to spend if an owner wishes but it does not count towards the cap floor. Its a way of sort of giving both sides what they want even though in the end the owners won that as its a very small amount over all and its at the individual owners discretion to spend it. Also the wording of the whole cap floor is interesting. Its based on a percentage of the cap (89%) but that percentage is not calculated on where the team is in actual cap dollars. Its based on actual monies spent. So if the Dolphins signed Manning for example and gave him a contract for 40 mil over 5 years and 20 mil upfront then 24 mil would count against the floor as that’s actual monies that are going out this season assuming the rest of the contract was for 4 mil a year base. Many players did not realize this how it was worded when they signed off on it. Just another win for the owners I guess.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I only have seen that the $1.5 mil exemption is only for 2012, not all years.
And that both the $3 mil exemption and the $1.5 mil exemption was only to ease club salaries until 2013 when the cap increases a significant amount and also as a way of repaying players money they would’ve lost for those seasons. As far I as I read too, it is money borrowed from future years and that it would count against the cap in 2013 and 2014.
Via NFL.com (the quote box sucks for me so I won’t use it!): "Each club may “borrow” up to $3 million in cap room from a future year, which may be used to support veteran player costs.
" In 2012, each club may “borrow” up to $1.5 million in cap room from a future year. Both these amounts would be repaid in future years."
Who knows though, you corrected me on Sanchez and the $1.5 mil exemption for 3 players so I’m just giving you more opportunities to pile it on. I’m on a coldstreak!
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I am currently searching the entire CBA looking for the actual clause.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820e6311/article/nfl-clubs-approve-comprehensive-agreement-
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Yeah that was the initial agreement that the clubs agreed to but was further tweeked.
The quote I gave you for it being for 1.5 for three each of the remaining years of the deal was also from ESPN and then I found it elsewhere. Either one could be wrong I suppose.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I really doubt that san fran is going to let josh morgan go...
he is their best receiver. I like the way your cabessa works. I am with you on thinking that manning is a better choice than flynn, but i say god hell no to trading everything away to target either RG3 or Luck. I have already eliminated them from my wish list.
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All of that is good...
But if I were Jeff Ireland, I’d hire a bunch of strippers to wash my car. He makes a lot of money.
Thats probably a terrible idea for someone in his position.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yeah...
But this was about if “I” were Jeff Ireland.
But then you would have his position, no?
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I would...
Until I pulled that stunt and got fired the next day.
Yeah once it gets plastered all over the front page its an issue.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 16, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Probably safer to focus on improving the team.
I’d be working with Joe Philbin to evaluate/upgrade the entire roster, especially the QB & TE positions.
Well J.Finley wood do as TE if brought over as exspected!
Err Flynn as exspected!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 16, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Remember now the NY Giants can't cover J Finley!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 16, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
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by texascowpunk on Feb 17, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions

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