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Melvin Ingram or Quinton Coples?

Will Jeff Ireland and the Miami Dolphins say yes to this man on draft night?

The year 2012 was supposed to be the year of the quarterback. Instead, it could be the year of the pass-rusher.

Speed/edge rushers, do-everything defensive ends, penetrating 3-techniques--you name it, the 2012 NFL Draft will have plenty of it. And in a league that is absolutely quarterback driven right now, a draft this rich in pass-rushing personnel couldn't come at a better time. These prospects will all move up and down draft boards over the next two months leading up to April 26, but it's probably safe to say that most of those draft boards will have the same two pass-rushers penciled in near the top of the list: South Carolina's Melvin Ingram and North Carolina's Quinton Coples.

These two pass-rushers, while very different in style, build and skill set, are both elite prospects at the defensive end position. And with Miami currently slated to run a 4-3 hybrid scheme in 2012, Ingram and Coples are both intriguing options for a Dolphins defensive line likely to start Cameron Wake at defensive end and Jared Odrick and Randy Starks at defensive tackle next season

As for the question of which prospect Miami should select this April, it mainly comes down to stylistic preference and how much of an emphasis the Dolphins will place on leadership, character concerns and overall upside.

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Quinton Coples

What's odd about Quinton Coples is that, while he is indeed a formidable pass-rush prospect, the thing he does best as a defensive end is stuff the run. Coples (6'5 3/4", 285) flat-out controls the point of attack and flashes the ability to anchor against double teams, pretty much furthering the notion that he's a classic 4-3 end who can consistently hold the edge and disrupt the backfield.

Coples has a capable-yet-straightforward approach to pass-rushing and typically looks to defeat blockers with brute strength and effective hand placement at the line of scrimmage. Coples flashes a tremendous bull rush, but doesn't appear to have a wealth of pass-rush moves at his disposal. However, he did effectively work an inside move against linemen at the Senior Bowl, so it's possible he's still developing in this area. Still, he's a powerful throwback to defensive ends of the '70s and '80s, and will be a very difficult one-on-one assignment for many NFL offensive tackles.

Where Coples' stock loses some luster, however, is in the leadership and character department. It probably doesn't help that he hails from a Tarheels program that has been ripe with character-concern-riddled players as of late, and Coples indifferent play last season only furthered the thought that he struggles with motivation. Perhaps Coples was just trying to protect his health and draft status, but he did little to prove he's not in league, personality wise, with North Carolina players such as Robert Quinn, Marvin Austin, Donte Paige-Moss, Zach Brown, etc., and that could be a problem for the organization that chooses to move forward with Coples. Or perhaps the character concerns with Coples are overblown and he just needs the right coaching at the next level. Can Joe Philbin provide that kind of coaching? It's my belief that he could, but I don't know if that gamble is worth the No.8/9 pick when there's other considerable pass-rushing talent available.

Melvin Ingram

I've been saying for a while that Melvin Ingram is the best pure pass-rusher in this draft class, and I expect that claim to be validated by his pre-draft workouts over the next couple of months. Ingram is a stout, slippery rusher who excels at getting under the pads of linemen and driving them into the pocket, and he's able to consistently disengage from blocks. The thing that jumps out most from Ingram's tape, however, is his versatility as a defender. His exceptional athleticism and tweener (6'1 7/8" 276) stature should bring out plenty of comparisons to Dwight Freeney, but Ingram's strength gets him occasional work as an interior defender in the Gamecocks' scheme, and he has the speed and instincts to pop into the outside linebacker role at the next level, as well. Ingram is a virtual Swiss Army Knife on the defensive line, and he looked comfortable in all of his roles in Columbia last season.

Despite the fact that Ingram was essentially a pass-rush specialist prior to 2011, he looked very good as a run defender last season. Ingram isn't a run-stuffing talent of Coples' caliber, but he wins at the point of attack and is relentless when pursuing from the backside. With Ingram, you expect to get sacks, but he did finish last season with 48 tackles--seven less than Coples' season total. Ultimately, Ingram's the kind of defender who has his nose in almost every play, and he could be a destructive force at the next level, both as a pass-rusher and run stopper. Ingram, along with Clemson's Andre Branch, might have the most upside of any pass-rusher in this draft class.

Unlike Coples, there are no documented character concerns with Ingram. He was the leader on a defense filled with young, impressionable talent (Devin Taylor, Jadeveon Clowney), and Ingram carried himself well at the Senior Bowl, indicating that he is a mature, humble prospect ready to join an NFL roster and contribute right off the bat. "Leadership" is a word that gets tossed around ad nauseum during draft season, but a player like Melvin Ingram would be an ideal addition to a Miami Dolphins defense that has plenty of talent but is short on bona-fide leadership (unless you think Karlos Dansby's Kanye-ish behavior is leader-type behavior).

If I was calling the shots for the Miami Dolphins on draft night, I'd waste no time handing in a card with Melvin Ingram's name on it. Quinton Coples is a fantastic 4-3 defensive prospect, but Ingram is the epitome of a hybrid end, capable of doing damage from multiple positions on defense. And even if he only plays end in the Dolphins' scheme next season, his elite pass-rush skills, leadership and tremendous upside make him worthy of the No.8/9 selection.

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Poll
Which pass-rusher do you want to see in Miami in 2012?
Melvin Ingram
549 votes
Quinton Coples
270 votes
Other
77 votes

896 votes | Poll has closed

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Ingram.

His spin move is awesome.

by LimeyPhin on Feb 11, 2012 5:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I like Ingram for a different reason...

He was on the hands team in college… The Hands team…. I think they even handed the guy the ball a few times on offense…. But he’s a DE/OLB what are you so excited about those things for? Atheltic guys make coaches do weird things like that. I keep going back to a story I heard where Channing Crowder was making fun of Jason Taylor before a game because JT was practicing catching. JT told Crowder that he was practicing for the big play. Big plays are as much about being physically talented and able to make the play as they are about beng lucky enough to find yourself in position to make a play like that. I LOVE how explosive he is. I love that he can pass rush. I love that he looks like he might be able to pull off a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB. But I also do not discount that this guy will probably find the ball more than other guys at that position. What kind of display of altheticism does it take for a college coach to look at one of his defensive linemen and think.. Hmm.. I want to trust that guy to come up with the ball on a kickoff team when the game is on the line. What kind of talent does it take for a college coach to look at a OLB/DE and think … hmm… I think we should hand this guy the ball and see what he can do.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Feb 11, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

The mascot is just like

‘oh dayum what just happened’

by LimeyPhin on Feb 11, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow...... that's all I have to say

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 12, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Coples for sure

Every consistent pass rusher following this year excluding the two Colts DEs and Dumervil are over 6-3. Ingram can be really great, but I would feel better if the Dolphins draft Coples instead if it is possible. I want a DE end like Mario Williams.

by BlaqDolfin on Feb 11, 2012 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Ingram all the way. Rec'd

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by Alpha6 on Feb 11, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Ingram all day long.

When in doubt choose integrity!

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Feb 11, 2012 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

That's not the saying...

… it’s, “when in doubt, whip it out!”

(that way you know for sure)

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Feb 11, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that your motto? LMAO!

J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.

by Dolfan88 on Feb 11, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This^^^^^

J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.

by Dolfan88 on Feb 11, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I think people seem to focus more on Coples being the “height and weight” Parcells…… I mean Ireland goes for. The other thing they forget, the “Parcells mold” also tend to lean towards guys of high character (also Philbin addressed those are the types he wants in his initial press conference) which they have proven with the amount of draft picks that were captains of their teams in college.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 12, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

All things equal you go with the more solid guy integrity guy for many reasons.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Feb 12, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

On the fence with this one. I like size skill set Coples but it's a high risk high reward with him.

When he gives it his all, he’ a beast, but even during the Senior Bowl you could see him take a couple of plays off and I believe it was even brought up by one of the commentators.
Ingram looks like a a great choice as well. Just wish he was a little taller, but the talent this kid has could very easily make up for that short coming. No pun intended!

by D0lphins4Life on Feb 11, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Purely from reading this article

I would go with Ingram. I like that Coples can stop the run, I think that will still be integral for this defense to remain top ten. Forever, I’ll take technique over brute strength. Also, we have Davis’ immaturity and Marshall’s disorder. I don’t think you want to mix too many questionable personality issues on a young team and expect the core not to deteriorate.

by PhinNomenol! on Feb 11, 2012 8:11 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Ingram is the no-brainer here.

He is the guy that I think could be a 3-4 OLB in the James Harrison mold. If the Dolphins get Coples you are saying that they want to be a pure 4-3 defense. I honestly think we already have our 4-3 DE to start across from Wake in Phillip Merling. He has been a disappointment to us as a 3-4 DE but I think he could thrive in the 4-3.

by mjams on Feb 11, 2012 8:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Melvin 2010 tape against Bama and Auburn (with Cam)

- LN21 and MHTD - Going Commando
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Feb 11, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

woops forgot link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN0qbLJK9ro

- LN21 and MHTD - Going Commando
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Feb 11, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a pass happy league

We need to take the likes of Brady down

"you owe it to yourself to be the best in baseball and in life" Pete rose.
F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!
Aaron Murray..Future Dolphins qb.
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by dolger14 on Feb 11, 2012 10:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ingram

Joe Philbins introduction:

We will attack the voyage with passion, energy, and enthusiasm in our quest to bring the Lombardi Trophy back to South Florida. To accomplish this, we must acquire excellent football players who are men of high character that possess an insatiable will to succeed. We then must develop them into a team that performs at an extremely high level on a consistent basis. Our team will consist of men who care more about winning and their teammates than they do about individual statistics.

The main 2 reasons is I have read way too many articles on Coples attitude that it concerns me and I think Ingram will fit the “hybrid” defense that Philbin and Ireland have spoken about.

Every year there are more than a couple top 10 picks that are busts. Some are from injury (which you can’t really predict) while others are from attitude and poor practise habits, Coples seems like a prime fit for the second part.

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by Agent J 78 on Feb 12, 2012 12:51 AM EST reply actions  

Man I so agree with you. Give me a guy with the physical traits but a drive like Zach had with a guy that has a some

questions about his drive and character in general. Hell Coples might be great or he might bomb. Your odds are just so much better with Ingram of having a solid to great starter for the next decade.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Feb 12, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love to get ingram

RGIII or flynn, whichever one helps us win
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by AnishB15 on Feb 12, 2012 8:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Coples.

The bigger talent.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

Ingram! When in doubt choose integrity.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But I'm not in doubt :P

I want the best guy. Newton had some questions about integrity, how did that work out for Carolina? Marino had some questions as well. When in doubt, go with the biggest talent.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Feb 15, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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