Why Soliai Sucks *BONUS* 3-4 vs. 4-3 DEFENSE
I just wanted to star out this post by pointing out what an elite NT looks like. See 2 examples below. I might add more later...
Vince Wilfork
What I want you to see is the difference between what we have and an elite NT. difference is SPEED. While it is difficult in itself to find guy that big and that strong, what separates the good ones from the truly great ones is explosiveness. Soliai is anything but explosive. Wilfork intercepts a pass and look at the fat guy go. Sure he gets caught he outweighs everyone else on the field by at least 50 lbs. But look at him go.
Antonio Garay
What I want you to see with Garay is 2 things you will never see with Soliai.
1.) Explosiveness
See how he uses that explosiveness off the ball and gets the Guard on his heels. He is done for at that point. Once he turns the Guards pads there is nothing the Guard can do but hope to slow him down a little bit.
2.) Violent Use of his hands
See what he does with his hands? In the first play you see him turn the guys pads? In the other plays he sheds blockers with ease to make the play behind the line of scrimmage. Go watch tape of Soliai. You will not see him shed a blocker like this guy. He will occasionally play patty cake, but he never wins at patty cake. Because of this he makes most of his tackles after giving the offense 3-4 yards.
He has to do this because he gets caught up messing with the blocker and has to give ground in order to get where he wants to go. You CAN NOT GIVE UP GROUND AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. On a few plays you will notice that as he does this he gets his own LBs caught up and takes them out of the play as well. That is almost worse than if he wasn't even on the field.
Here you see the exact opposite of an elite NT. A virtual anti-highlight film and our very own FRANCHISE PLAYER-- Paul Soliai
Its really easy to find video to prove my point.
Look on NFL.com for a big run play, then look at the video. If it goes up the middle it is almost certainly at least partially Soliai's fault.
1.) In this example we have the Patriots running to the outside. You see Soliai turn around because he was expecting someone to block him, but they knew they didn't need to waste a guy to block him because it was going to the outside and if he ran that far he would need oxygen.
RB Ridley, 18-yd, run
2.) Who does Greene run right behind on this play? you guessed it.. Paul Soliai.. why is he constantly turned the wrong way?
Greene runs over the ref
3.) On this one at first it looks like Soliai takes on a double team. Don't be fooled though, what you are actually looking at is 2 linemen pushing him back into our LB, which means we have 2 blockers essentially blocking 2 guys. Or you could credit them with a double team on Soliai and Soliai for an awesome seal block... either way you want to look at it I guess....
Mathews burst
4.) On this one Soliai is lined up on the inside. He is blocked by a RG, allowing the Center and Guard to clear the way for a Goal Line TD.
Tolbert's diving TD
Don't believe me... just look at any highlight and see where Soliai is. It is almost comical. I can not believe he is our franchise player. No wonder we started the season 0-7....
SEE THIS POST FOR A ASSESSMENT OF SOLIAI I DID AFTER THE 2009 SEASON
You might still be able to see the links, but if not, at least read my commentary.
BONUS
OK so I keep hearing about how we need to switch to a 4-3 from the 3-4, for mulitple reasons. True there are just not that many guys out there that big that can actually move well enough to play the NT position. But that is not a reason to stop running a defense that we have been running since the days of Nick Saban and are finally starting to be a very solid defense. We have found solutions that are at least decent, and we are really only short ONE PLAYER. We know exactly what we have with the 3-4 as we stand now... a top 10 defense.
If we improve at NT(bring in Garay), we could be a top 5 defense easily. But we really have no idea what type of defense we will have if we switch to the 4-3. Kevin Burnett is not a 4-3 LB in my opinion. SD runs a 3-4 and for that matter so does Dallas where Burnett played before. Dansby came from a 4-3, but he really is more suited to be a 3-4 ILB. Misi could probably play OLB in a 4-3, but I am not sure he would be good at it at this level. You could say that about everyone in our front 7 for that matter to some extent. Sure some of them might be able to play in a 4-3, but why would you try to fix what isn't broken.
While we have plenty of depth at DE that could probably make the transition to 4-3 DT, they are not exactly cut out for a 4-3 DE. Wake would be one of your DEs, but who would be our other DE? Langford, Starks, McDaniel are all DTs, and none of them has the speed needed to be a 4-3 DE.
One of the reasons that a 3-4 is better than the 4-3 is what it does for your 53 man roster. When you run a 4-3 you are forced to commit extra roster spots to D-linemen that you would otherwise be able to commit to LBs. Less LBs on the roster means less LBs for special teams. The more LBs you have on special teams, the better. They are the right size for blocking, and are usually pretty solid tacklers. No matter how fast a D-lineman is, you are never going to put him on kickoff team. You are never going to put him on kickoff return team. Since you have less LBs you wind up filling in those extra positions with WRs, TEs, and DBs and ability to tackle can be a crap shoot with any of those players. The less LBs you have the worse your special teams is going to be.
Here is a similar poll to the one I posted on that original Soliai sucks post... Let's see how this one turns out... I used 3 of the same answers... changed the question, and added a new answer... We'll see how this poll goes...
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A few things
First video was an outside run away. It wasn’t run at Soliai.
Second video was good blocking by the OL, but Soliai wasn’t pushed into Dansby. Dansby was knocked into that position by the FB.
Third video has Soliai double-teamed by the C and G. That is what NTs do, they occupy blockers. If he wasn’t a threat at NT, they’d only use a single blocker. Why don’t you blame the LBs or the other DL that couldn’t get off blocks by one OL?
For the final video, I don’t see what is comical. The RG got low quickly and it was just enough of a push to allow the dive for a TD. That is nit-picking.
Nobody is saying Soliai is an elite NT and of course he’s not on the same level as Wilfork, but he does a good job of occupying multiple linemen to open up attacking lanes for Dansby and Burnett.
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I am not sure if you are mixing up the videos… I put them in a better format….
1. outside run.. They blocked the DEs on both sides of him… they didn’t block him. Make what you want of that.
2. Soliai is the guy with long hair on the top. He turns the wrong way as the RB runs past him on the inside. He takes up one blocker even though he is at the point of attack, and still doesn’t even get a hand on the RB as he runs through his gap. I am sorry, but his job is to tackle the guy with the ball when they run past, not JUST tie up blockers. And he ties up one blocker and lets the LG get on Burnett, and the FB come right through the A gap and block Dansby. You gotta be able to spot what a lead blocker is. His job there is to meet that FB in the hole. Not flow the wrong way and let them run right past him while he turns around the other way.
3. I mentioned that they double teamed him. He is not suppsed to get pushed back into his own guy though. Maybe I am asking too much from a guy that we are placing the franchise tag on, but he needs to stand his ground enough to at least not let his own guy get taken out of the play.
4. Its GOAL LINE… what exactly was he expecting would happen. That is my point there.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see the difference in the way that Garay uses his explosiveness and hands though?
That is what I expect to see out of a NT that we are paying $12mil. I am not saying he is elite either. That is what lots of other people ARE saying though because they don’t understand what he is supposed to do. He does have the responsibility to make a tackle when they run through either gap. An elite NT would stop them in the backfield. That is what I want us to get for our !2 mil/year tag we put on him. Otherwise I would rather pay that to someone who will cause havoc for other teams.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Was he worth the FT? No
Was he worth keeping or letting go for free; he was worth keeping. Is he a great NT, no he’s not but he does a good job. We are a better team by far having him at NT and Starks at DE. With that said we could use an upgrade of him for sure. I still can’t fathom how his agent thinks he’s worth more than Wilfork and Ngata.
If available I would prefer getting Sione Pouha, it does 2 things, it makes us better and closer to elite and it weakens the Jets. It’s a win-win (pipe dream I know).
what was your choice?
I will add it…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Had a drink too many to be creative but something like:
Not worth the franchise tag but we are still a better team with him than without him
give me 2 mins to add ...
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
You got your 5th choice now...
glad I could help… Looking back at that previous post about how I wanted us to draft Cody…. instead… who else got him but the Ravens… and THEY ALREADY HAD NGATA…. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer… He is their starting NT now according to NFL.com and NGATA is at DE… That guy is a beast wherever you put him though.. he makes everyone behind him better because the offense is running for their lives on every play…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
From what I understand the Ravens run more of a 4-3 look now
but you’re right about the rich getting richer. It’s like the Steelers always seem to have the top LB’s. BTW we took Misi when Cody was on the board.
believe me I know ...
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
Oh well, can't worry about the past
There are no shortage of picks that made me yell at my TV, especially from about 1999-2008.
I have said ...
I think what Ireland was thinking was that everyone that needed a NT had already drafted one and they were going to wait another round to get the best NT in that draft… But they just didn’t count on a team that valued defense to go get that guy, when they already had that guy. But they understood how hard it is to find those guys…. and they seem to be doing ok…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I wanted Jimmy Graham in the 3rd round
and would have taken him over Cody (if he was available) but we got Jerry instead. smh (that “might” just work out though)
I heard Parcells was on the NFL Network and said they had targeted Graham but thought he would have been available in the 4th. Enough of the past, looking forward to seeing what happens in FA and the draft.
so did I.... so did I...
But we didn’t get either… Instead we got John Jerry…. John Jerry is who we got …
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Crap here I thought I had coined a new phrase when I called Soliai an ANTI-HIGHLIGHT...
What’s really funny …
I did not have to edit out a single play…. every single play is worse than the last… All I did was go to the highlights of every RB that we played during the games that he started… He was literally an anti-highlight….
It turns out I already used that in the comments section of the last post… funny how it still fits though…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
I don't think anyone will say he was worth 12 million
but given other options that were going to be available the FO didn’t have much choice. I think his agent realized this as well and tried to strong arm Ireland into a long term top dollar contract. Good on Ireland for not biting. We had lots of cap room and wer’re suppose to use it up so it wasn’t a big deal.
Could he be upgraded, of course, outside of 3 or 4 players on the roster every position could use upgrades. The funny thing is I think he is worth 12 million but just on a 3 or 4 year contract. lol
That would be like paying your starting QB $5mil over 2 years...
Oh crap… are we doing that?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
ok
So thanks for the post, you completely changed my mind about switching to a 4-3. I never thought about the linebacker situation. And the whole “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” has been in my head too so we agree there
What prompted me to reply to you was your statement of soliai as an anti highlight. Here’s my problem: you’re using highlight videos of running backs to show his deficiency. Like you said: you didn’t have to edit out a single run. Well, of course, considering you’re talking about highlight videos. You think they’re going to show the plays that soliai blows up the line and makes a play in the backfield?
by DolfanVince86 on Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
find me some highlight videos of Soliai where he is doing what a franchise NT should do...
What I want to see from him is exactly what Garay showed in 3 plays. Go back in your mind and see if you can remember a time where he wasn’t the last guy off the ball, where he shed blockers to make a play in the backfield the way GARAY does. If you see him make a play in the backfield, it is usually because no one bothered to block him.
I would have gladly posted the best of Paul Soliai… but sadly there are no higlight videos of him the way there are for other franchise NTs. As Dolphins fans, I challenge you guys to go out there and make them, find them… whatever, because he just isn’t the kind of guy that scares any team. And we all know it too… we are just afraid to admit it. We are a really good defense. But how good could we be if we upgraded Soliai? Elite defenses have that guy(or 2 of them) while good defenses have a guy that eats up space. We have a guy that eats up space… I am just saying if we fix that we could be so much better.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Our 2 best special teamers are WRs
In Roberto Wallace and Julius Pruitt. And we have actually have been playing a 3-4 HYBRID this season. We come out a lot and go with Taylor, Odrick, McDaniel, and Wake on the line and rush all 4. But the reason we might switch to a 4-3 is because that is the scheme Fisher runs and he might be coaching here. Even if he doesn’t coach here Mike Nolan is a free agent and might not want to go back to a team that is obviously rebuilding. And we could easily do it, but we would just have to go use Soliai’s money and go grab Cliff Avril and put him opposite of Wake with Starks and Odrick as DT.
And I wouldn’t mind keeping Soliai if the price is right (6-7 million for 4 years). Soliai is actually really good. Sure, he’s not flashy. But he is the reason our rush defense is ranked 3rd. He prevents a push from happening and is why teams try to run to the outside of him.
Watch this video vs. the Jets. He pushes back 2 blockers a couple yards, which doesn’t allow Sanchez to get a sack. He’s obviously not noticed on the play because his job isn’t sexy but he is critical to what we do.I understand you like the speedy NTs but we were ranked 3rd in rush defense and San Diego was ranked 20th. And both clips you showed he didn’t get double teamed and actually lined up at DE on the first clip.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"
I am not denying that the guy is finally playing better...
But you really can’t compare what any of the elite NTs are doing … can you?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
Those guys are special
I think Wilfork is the best in the game because he does what Soliai does AND can make plays. But Wilforks come once every 7 years and I’m fine with Soliai. I like the post but I think Soliai is key to our defense and we should try to bring him if we stay in a 3-4. A contract around 6-7 million with incentives would be good.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"
There is one guy that is a free agent this year....
His name is Antonio Garay and you can see a few highlights above. This guy is playing on a Pro Bowl level, not just getting paid like he is.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Garay looks like a 34 DE or a penetrating 43 DT.
If we go to a 43, I’d rather have Odrick as the 43 DT next to the mauler.
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He is a NT
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Here is a post on the guy from Bolts from the Blue...
Talking about how he is a 3-4 NT not a 4-3 DT
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
oops...
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Garay's homepage
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/3082/antonio-garay
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
I will counter with...
NFL.COM’s depth chart of the San Diego Chargers
He is 6’4" and 320lbs. He is plenty big enough to play NT.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 8, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Moore is a very good Safety on kickoffs.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.
3rd against the run
6th in scoring…. yeah solai isnt the most incredible NT in the league but we dont need to bust up this way above average defense and start over fresh. Why are people suddenly jumping on the 4-3 bandwagon. All everyone wanted to do was go to a 3-4 a couple of years back. Now here we are with two straight very solid defensive play and we wan to change it again? I’m sorry jason, i just dont get it.
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Resign and Trade....
Miami should resign Soliai and attempt to trade him for draft picks. Maybe, just maybe, we could get a 2nd round pick for him. Miami can select a nose tackle late in the draft, plus starks can play nose tackle.
I agree with the author about not switching to a 4-3 due to the success of our 3-4
But it is not true that:
No matter how fast a D-lineman is, you are never going to put him on kickoff team. You are never going to put him on kickoff return team.
The Minnesota Vikings use DE Everson Griffen as a core specials teams player. He plays on all 4 phases of special teams and is the GUNNER for the punt coverage unit. That’s right, a 275-lb gunner (granted, he runs a 4.6.)
Thats funny... I wanted us to draft his as a 3-4 OLB
He is a SOLB in my opinion… He would be the exception to the rule also… if we can find 3 or 4 guys like that we could switch to the 4-3… but that might take years…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
True. He is the exception.
He is definitely mobile enough to play SOLB… and I read rumors about Minnesota’s players wanting to switch to a 3-4.
Sounds crazy to me. Where would Jared Allen fit in?
Paul Soliai is an asset
He’s extremely hard to move between the tackles, and takes on 2 blockers. What he doesn’t do is penetrate the backfield like Ngata, but no one is putting him on that level. Soliai should be resigned, but anything more than $6-$7M is overpaying.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
As I stated in my recent Fanpost "The Paul Soliai Conundrum" recently
Week 14 against the Eagles Soliai was a beast. I personally witnessed at least 4-5 designed runs inside which were completely blown up at the LOS, which McCoy had to bounce outside for minimal yardage or losses. I was watching Paul Soliai exclusively, and he was just immovable in the middle forcing the bounce-outs. McCoy finished with 37 yards on 26 carries.
Our run defense was 3rd in the league, and that’s hard to accomplish without a SOLID lead DT in the middle. That said paying $12M for a guy with 22 tackles, no sacks and no FF in INSANE.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I will give you that he is solid. But he doesn't exactly strike fear into any offense...
Teams don’t think… how are we going to stop Soliai… That would be just fine… if he wasnt our franchise guy. If he didn’t want to get paid like Wilfork and Ngata I would be ok. But he has it in his head that he is on their level and it just isn’t true. I would much rather pay a guy like Garay that kind of money, and Garay is a free agent this year, and he is an upgrade.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 7, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that's fine
No one here is saying Soliai should be our franchise guy. It’s my understanding he was franchised because the Dolphins didnt want to sign him long term for the money he sought, but realized they needed to resign him. So we overpayed Soliai for 1 year’s worth of services. Now, if management had half a brain, they would attempt to sign Soliai for a lower base + plus incentive package, or let him walk.
If we can get Garay then fine. I don’t think there’s a huge difference between the 2, but whatever. I’m fine with Soliai at the right price point, because there’s very few DT’s who make backfield impact in the NFL the way Ngata can. I’m happy with Soliai clogging up the middle running lanes, and there are other priorities I would target in FA if we can sign Soliai for reasonable money.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Garay is not a run stuffer, its been said, he is a pass rushing DT like Randy Starks
God is the reason that I live, move, breath, and have my entire being.
Soliai is the reason we had the 3rd ranked rushing defense
You can criticize him for his effort or work ethic but when he’s motivated he’s a top 2 or 3 NT.
I would be hesitant to give him a long term contract simply because I don’t know if he’ll be motivated to keep playing at this level and because he’ll demand a huge percentage of our cap while being a 2 down player.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 8, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions
But a NT is worth $7-9 million, which is what he will likely get.'
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uh no
his agent wants 12m+ per year and he’ll likely get it.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 8, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Soliai made 27 tackles and 2 passes defensed...
I would not call him the reason for anything. He stood in the way…. He is big enough that he did an OK job once our LBs figured out how to get around his fat butt, but he is by no means the reason for anything on offense, except he is the reason we could never get off the field on 3rd down and short, the reason teams would dare to run a QB sneak right in front of our franchise player and the reason that we did not have more goal line stops. I watch the D-line, all the time and we are always losing there. ALWAYS. He is always losing 2-3 yards and he can never get off a blocker and make a play. The best he can do is grab with one hand(if he is even facing the right direction).
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 8, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
He blocked our LBs for the first part of the season ..
That is why our defensive line was so soft right up the middle. That only improved once our LBs figured out how to get around the guy. They would be dominant if they had a better NT.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 8, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Karlos Dansby was amazing as a 4-3 ILB for Arizona.
That’s why he was the #1 FA on the defensive side of the ball.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
'Phins phor Liphe!
This
This was the position that got him his big contract from Miami. And then he “struggled” at first in Miami’s new system.
4-3 or 3-4 Dansby is going to excel.
by DolfanVince86 on Jan 9, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
You have totally convinced me that
Miami’s coaching staff knows way more about evaluating players than you do.
by PNSter on Jan 9, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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Omg outch; that a compleat breakdown of this "man's life" with-out going into his consious being!
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Pill poppers for the mynd!
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
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wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not much big guy!
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Shallow mynded peeps (as myself) need to stay in touch with the great thinkers of this Generation & the world!
Stop on by The Cheese we’ll talk sum-more
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 10, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
yeah.... that Pat White pick shows that they know talent....
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 10, 2012 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
That was a Bill Parcells choice and I think he is gone.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude
by texascowpunk on Jan 10, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Was that the pick, that made ol Milt Fammy walk us
Cuse he sure ain’t no drinker, he was holed up in a bunker for 12 days & nites. That was he’s best analogy of how to get this team in the rite direction opps again!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 10, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
7-9, 7-9, 6-10.
Sheer brilliance out of our front office
Phinsider HOF C/O 2009
Winner of Six Career Matty Awards
Vice Grand Poobah of the RGIII Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Trifecta kinda like a 3 dollor bill or a sera lee cherry pie flaky on the outside all matted together & sticky on the inside!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 10, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions

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