Jones to stay at OU. Phew!
by thekramer26 on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 PM EST
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PrintThank God. This is not the QB draft for us. How does no one understand? Defense was our problem the first half of the year. If we beat the Browns, Broncos, Chargers, Cowboys, etc. we are a playoff team. Our problem was finishing games. Coaching. We can keep Matt Moore for ONE MORE YEAR. I am only a recent Dolphins fan (2001) and everyone needs to GET OVER THEMSELVES!! Yes this is a storied franchise but it has been A LONG TIME since the Phins were anything worth talking about. We have the team in place. Sure up the right side of the line. We have a great defense. Matt Moore is our QB next year. Get used to it.
RG3?? Are you high?!!?!?! Complete bust and we would have to trade up to get him when we have more GLARING issues on this team. Luck is now the only viable QB in this draft and he is out of our reach. We would throw away the future if we traded up for him. Sure up everything around the QB this year and we can make a run. Next year we can give up the draft for a QB if it doesn’t pan out.
What other team keeps you glued to your TV after an 0-7 start? We have a solid team. Reggie Bush is OUR star RB for the first time. Yes this year did not go the way we wanted but we know things now that we did not know going into this year. Bush is legit. Moore is a starting QB. Our defense IS great, it just needed time, the lockout killed us.
No matter what coach comes in here it won’t matter for next season. Our team is set and ready to make a run. Use the #9 pick for an RT and let’s do this!!!!
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Well...Ok.
Have you every heard of the Patriots? Packers? They have the 2 worst defenses in the NFL, yet are the 2 best teams in the NFL because they have superstar QBs. We’re not really going anywhere with Moore.
And as I write this comment, I’m seriously starting to think this entire post is a joke. Because saying we should use the #9 pick on a RT actually seems a bit sarcastic to me since that’s exactly what the team does, and year after year is mediocre.
Russell Wilson and Montee Ball: The Greatest QB/RB tandem in College Football history.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future. Don't count out Sammy Watkins.
Pats and Pack
Two best REGULAR season teams. Let’s see what they do. Pats and Pack face a top defense in a playoff atmosphere and they are losing no question.
I sort of agree about an RT at #9 but fine then we can trade down for more picks as said below.
The Pats have a HOF QB a probable future HOF TE and a pro bowl OL sure their D is bad
but can it win them a playoff game for the last 2 or 3 years one and out SANCHEZ BEAT THEM and what happened when he faced a good D smashed when was the last time the pats won a super bowl oh yeah the had a elite/HOF D and their 18-1 season they still had samuel and harrison
As for The packers rodgers and the elite offense kills teams so bad their in Prevent halfway through the 3rd quarter
by AussiePhinfan on Jan 6, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I hope your man enough to come back and own some of this when proven wrong. Especially about RG3!
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude
Maybe we should forgo a top QB this year...
Make upgrades to the o-line, TE and safety positions, pick up a mid-tier QB like Weeden in the 3rd-5th round, and make a run for Matt Barkley in the 2013 draft… or we can bet the house on RG3 and hope he isn’t Pat White part 2.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 5:59 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Pat White and RG3 are not the same.
What makes you make that comparison?
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
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I don't even bother to ask because I fear I already know the answer for his reasoning.
I’m going to try and think positive by assuming Maso thinks because they’re run-first QBs (RG3 isn’t) and possibly because they’re both black. Either way, the reasoning is flawed and not true.
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Yeah is he going off of the myth or the stereotype?
If its the former of the two then he should do his homework before making such a bold an baseless assumption. If its the latter then I hope he feels the appropriate level of shame.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude
by texascowpunk on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Pat white was built like a 10 year old girl....
that is why he sucked. He had the arm, the speed, and the accuracy in college. But his body was smaller than Vick, and Vick is pretty small and fragile for a QB. RG3 is built much stronger, he is more accurate, and is wayyyyyyy smarter.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
by Phinphinatic on Jan 6, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I agree and why I said what I said.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude
by texascowpunk on Jan 6, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I will admit that the Pat White – RG3 comparison I made was pretty weak. I personally think that RG3 will be a lot better than Pat White ever was in the league, however I chose White because he was our most recent example of an athletic quarterback who was highly successful in college yet turned out to be a BIG bust. I know that White and RG3 have very different playing styles, but I felt that the comparison would hit home. RG3 might be the next big thing, but I would feel a lot better about next season if we didn’t trade all of our high round picks for a rookie QB and instead we were able to address more of our team needs.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 5:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Either way RG3 is going to be good at the next level.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude
I would like to think so...
But I am not gonna make any guarantees one way or another. There is a good chance that he will be a quality QB in the NFL, but there is always the chance that he ends up being a bust (or more likely just an average QB). For every 1st round QB like Aaron Rodgers who goes on to win a Super Bowl, there are just as many QBs like Alex Smith who has had a highly disappointing career before this season. Ultimately only time will tell.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
RGIII will be...
something to watch at the NFL level! I mean he doesn’t have Cam Newton’s size but his throwing (overall) is better. However, he does have a very college offense around him (single read, run package) but so did Newton and look how he killed it in Carolina. I hate risking everything on RGIII making the Pro style transition but around being a hater for quite some time I have done some due diligence research and can agree that it would be a smart move for us to take RGIII if he is there! The man has such great ball skills and if we can get him to sit in the pocket he will tear things up + he can buy more time + and my favorite we can use him to punt!! Although not needed just thing about the nightmare it can create.
most important talent RG3 has
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Jan 7, 2012 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
most important talent RG3 has
His head. Smart kid. Put that on a track star with a rifle. Not a bad investment.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Jan 7, 2012 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree 100%.
Sadly it does not matter as he will be long gone before we select.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 7, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Fear not! We are gonna trade up and make the big splash this year.
"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.
RG3 is a solid Kid. I would have no problem with us drafting him. His size is the only thing that worries me. The Colts would be smart to pick him. Groom him behind Manning.
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
Winston Churchill
Hope and Change----With the first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft The Miami Dolphins select Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
Size is overrated.
Listed at 6-2, 220.
That’s actually more bulky than a guy who is 6-4, 235 (Luck).
If Luck was 6-2 he’d likely be about 215.
"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.
Thats what Nicky & Alpha keeps saying. This is not easy, but we might lure them (the Colts) with a caliber guy on the Oline
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 9, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Really. Thats a new one. It comes down to a person frame and how they carry their weight
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
Winston Churchill
Hope and Change----With the first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft The Miami Dolphins select Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
Well the kid at (Boisa State is 6' & accurate) as the world turns. He's not even exspected to be drafted.
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
No Franchise QB this year.....
Miami should forget about drafting a QB in the first round, instead get more weapons for Matt Moore. Drafting Blackmon if he falls to Miami would be a great start. Failing that, I would like to see Miami trade down for more picks. Miami needs a RT or RG, WR, TE, FS, OLB and a CB. Miami should draft a QB late, and sign an undrafted free agent QB or two as the third string QB and practice squad. Miami also had Pat Devlin on the practice squad for the year and he deserves a look.
& this is where Moore from Boisa State, comes in just not very tall, but he IS the winningest QB. in the college ranks. Record
Look it up!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Easy Decision or not?
Looks like a couple of college kids returning for their senior year has made the decision really easy for the Phins. Hire Joe Philbin and sign Matt Flynn. Unless someone in the organization actually agrees with me and drafts Ryan Tannehill in the first round and he sits for a year behind Matt Moore. I doubt it. FYI, the last time I thought this way about a QB, my dad’s Steelers drafted him in ’04 and that guy is 2-1 in Super Bowls so far.
Agree with some of this...but...
I agree that coaching was a huge problem, and the D played poorly at first – but still – If we have been able to score just 21 points we would have beaten the Browns, giants and Broncos!!!!!!!!! Offense is where we are weak. Since you have only been a fan (2001) I don’t think you share the frustration many of us longer term fans have (1971 for me) We have seen this once “GREAT” team slip further and further each year the past decade. It’s just painful any more. this team needs a FRANCHISE QB above all else. OFFENSE and passing wins in this league – not running and stopping the run. that was 70’s football and we WERE the best back then.
Our problem is that we dont really have a choice AGAIN about drafting a great QB, with LUCK going to the colts – and I am not a RG3 fan, we are left with the scraps of the 2/3rd roound talent. I think Moore is decent – but not a playoff QB – somehow we must find a better option at QB – but where ? I just hope we dont overpay for RG3, I find him too small (200lbs) and a little short, as I prefer the taller QB’s 6’4" and above.
LASTLY – we are all sick and tired of drafting OL and Dl in the first round.
We have a #1 overall tackle and a #15 Center – (plus Carey was a 1st rd pick too) and yet we gave up 52 sacks….. yea worth every penny right ?
How about getting a QB with a quick release that can read defenses.
41 Year FIN FAN
Franchise QB... NOW !!! ...Draft Ryan Mallett ...Draft some Freakin speed for a change. WR & RB speed kills......
This is a really old argument
LASTLY – we are all sick and tired of drafting OL and Dl in the first round.
We have a #1 overall tackle and a #15 Center – (plus Carey was a 1st rd pick too) and yet we gave up 52 sacks….. yea worth every penny right ?
Long is a pro bowler (and the best LT in the game even when hampered by injury) and Pouncey looks to be the most talented center to wear a dolphins uni since Dwight Stephenson. Now compare that with Incognito and Colombo. Also, Carey WAS a first round pick in 2004 and has since lost a step due to wear and tear and is nowhere near where he was.
I agree that a 1st round OL selection is not my preference this year but it may be the best option depending on how the draft class shapes out. We need a franchise QB. No question about it but there are poor options in this draft (Now that 2 of the top 4 guys have run back to college and we went and won 6 games for nothing) and only guys with question marks in FA.
Our needs are franchise QB, Dynamic, Pass-rushing OLB, RT, FS, Pass-Catching Threat TE, OG, CB. If the line gave better protection we probably score enough/avoid turnovers to beat Houston. Our offense should have put up enough points to beat Cleveland, NY Giants and Denver which would have made us a playoff team as you said. So let’s upgrade the O-line, get a pass-rushing specialist, get a TE that will scare opposing D Coordinators and put in a coach who will not take his foot off the gas until the game is over. If Moore doesn’t get us into the playoffs then throw everything at drafting a franchise QB or go all out for a Free Agent this off season but we need those 3 pieces to be a truly dynamic team and perennial playoff threat.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
How is this different than what I said ?
Except the OL – are you agreeing with me ?
41 Year FIN FAN
Franchise QB... NOW !!! ...Draft Ryan Mallett ...Draft some Freakin speed for a change. WR & RB speed kills......
Yup.
Except the OL – are you agreeing with me ?
I’m just tired of hearing about how we have spent 3 first round picks on linemen and our o-line sucks. All 3 picks are or once were the top player at their position out of all those that have played there in the last decade. Now if we could get a current RT to fit into that mold we would be a much improved passing team which would yield some more wins so a RT in round 1 is hardly a poor pick even if fans are tired of it.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
I thought Incognito played well this year
Long is a pro bowler (and the best LT in the game even when hampered by injury) and Pouncey looks to be the most talented center to wear a dolphins uni since Dwight Stephenson. Now compare that with Incognito and Colombo.
Carey, Columbo and Garner (when he played) were the weak links.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Even if your are right...
we fix the D and still finish with 7-9 wins, get a low draft pick, and are still stuck with Moore at QB. Whether we go QB this year or next year, we will still have to trade up, so why waste another year. Lets just get RGIII, fill a few holes in FA and call it a day. I understand that Moore has played well, but do you really believe that he is capable of ever winning a Superbowl? I certainly do not.
I also understand that we need upgrades at other positions. But the same could be said for every team, even the elite ones. The difference between us and them is that they have great QBs. You can never have a team without any holes and every single year we say, “lets fill holes in this draft and get the QB next year” and we never actually end up getting an elite QB, we just keep putting it off until the next year. Thus, we are still a mediocre team and will continue to be one until we fill the most important hole in professional sports, the QB…
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
by #1Heatfan on Jan 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Well said Heatfan.
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
Winston Churchill
Hope and Change----With the first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft The Miami Dolphins select Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
by FinFanFromCA on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That was my point too !
Agreed – that’s what i was saying – get a freaking QB…
41 Year FIN FAN
Franchise QB... NOW !!! ...Draft Ryan Mallett ...Draft some Freakin speed for a change. WR & RB speed kills......
RG3 a bust?
Lol @ you bro.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Also
Theres no way he’s serious.. I think we were all trolled
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
TheKramer is Matt Moore's nephew...
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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Lol so..
He’s joel’s cousin?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
So what you're saying is... Joel is Matt Moore. Matt Moore is Joel. You kissed a dude! Wait...
Is Jimbo secretly Chad Henne?
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LOL what a chowder head! :)
No, we don’t need a QB, what we really need is a back up center for our first pic.
26 get a grip, MM is OK, but so far that’s it. No one goes far in this league without a top line QB, and were all very tired of being a “W” in everyone else’s win column. We’ve needed a QB for 13 years now, I know this because I’ve been watching since Shula took the team.
except for the 49ers and the Jets...
The 49ers proved in 2011 that great coaching, a dominant defense and a strong running game can carry a team despite average QB play. The Jets (with consecutive trips to the playoffs in the 2009 and 2010 seasons) have proven that a team can win despite average (at best) QB play, with a strong defense and just being loaded with talent at almost every other position.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 7:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and I definitely can't forget special teams...
The 49ers kicking game definitely helped the 49ers win this season. Without the consistency in special teams that they’ve had this year, the 49ers would’ve struggled.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 7:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree that great QB play is important...
but to say that a team can’t make it far in the league without an amazing QB is just untrue. It helps a lot to have Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers (or any other elite QB), but it is possible to win with an average QB like Alex Smith (or Matt Moore for that matter).
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 7:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Where are your Jets now??
At home watching on the couch due to poor QB play…
Possible to win yes, but much, much more likely with great QB play than with average QB play.
my Jets?
I hate the Jests with their Jabba the Hutt coach. The point I was making is that they have been doing pretty good the last couple years despite their average play at QB. Which goes with
my point that though it helps tremendously to have a great QB, it is not absolutely essential. If it was, then the 49ers would have sucked this season and the Jets with their vomit green jerseys would not have made runs deep into the playoffs the last two seasons.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Your point isn't so good IMO, because the same team you are telling me about
the same team you think is such a good example, was knocked out of the playoffs by a team that lost their first 7 games in a row… due to their poor QB play! Which makes my point, if Sanchez was playing better they would be in the playoffs, not sitting at home watching the playoffs.
So you really want to put our season in the hands of a mediocre QB… AGAIN<> for the 13 year?? Wasn’t the first 12 years enough to show you the error of that thinking? Good grief Masato san… is it night time over there or something???
(I have to say I thought CP10 was pretty good, too bad we got him at the end of his carrier.)
Actually its late afternoon where I'm at (Hawaii)...
but let’s get to the point. I really wouldn’t mind picking up RG3, but only if we don’t have to trade away all our talent and high draft picks to get him. There is no guarantee on how good he will ultimately be and its not like he is the only quality QB out there. We have a good team already with talent at the RB and WR positions. We have a stout defense and our kicking game is awesome. We have a few key areas of need (parts of the OL, Safety and athletic TEs) but we can easily address them in this draft. Really, the position that I am the most worried about is head coach. If we can get a great coach who can get the full potential out of our team, the Dolphins could be a playoff squad. After all the current team showed what they could do when they really want to win with their last few games. Even if we go all in on RG3 and he turns out to be the next Peyton Manning and becomes basically an offensive coordinator with pads and a helmet, we would still be screwed if he goes down with an injury, if we have another crappy head coach. It would be awesome to get an upgrade at QB, but RG3 might be too pricey.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 10:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Now were cook'n
A good HC is extremely important even though he never gets on the field. A bad HC can screw a team no matter how good the players are. I won’t debate that point with you.
What I do maintain is we need a top level QB. I’d settle for a Griese type, extremely accurate, great football mind, pretty good arm, but I couldn’t call Griese an average QB either, would you?
I have a friend who last time I heard, was stuck in Hawaii. Didn’t have the air fare to get home…
I just missed an opportunity to fly a Cessna 206
to Hawaii when I was going that kind of work. Would have been a lot of fun!!
Well I hope to see you in the islands some time...
it really is a nice to live. I visited Orlando once, it was hotter than hell. (or at least more humid)
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I never made it to Orlando
My sweetie decided she had made a mistake and is trying to “play nice.” It’s very difficult for her :) but I’m here in TX until it’s time to be somewhere else…
Where in Tx?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 7, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
just a comfortable ride outside of Dallas, not far from Justin if your familiar with the area.
But working the the gf we often venture to Austin, Grapeland, San Ant, you name it.
LOL I'm in Keller and my son's high school (Northwest) is in Justin.
Hell I use to hang out in Justin when I first moved here back in the late 80’s.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
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:) Small world isn't it!
Know that little hamburger joint in town, right across from the Chiropractors office? I haven’t been there in a while and love a good hamburger. We should meet up when your around. Nice to put a face to phin friends.
No. You don't happen to drive a Chevy Avalance with a Phins sticker on
the back window do you? I see that truck all the time in the area.
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not me, guess that makes 3 of us! :)
If I can figure out how to PM here I’ll send you my phone #. Give me a little notice and I’ll meet you up there next time your around, if your inclined.
Yeah that would be cool. My email is at the bottom of the page or you
can just click on my profile.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude
And Sancheeze was way better than pretty good in the playoffs 2 years in a row.
It was just that this year his QBing sucked and imagine that, there not in the playoffs!!!
Sancheese
was not THAT good the previous 2 seasons. He was a little above average (maybe) during their playoff runs and it was great defense, the talent around him and the running game that carried the Jets through their recent playoff runs. During his first 2 seasons, Sanchez was pretty ordinary stat-wise, but he was able to be clutch when he needed to be. I will agree that he did suck this year. I think that Henne would’ve been better than him this year if not for that shoulder injury.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The shoulder injury and the fact that he sucks...
Sancheeze’s rating for the playoffs
2009
Game 17 139
Game 18 60
Game 19 93
2010
Game 17 62
Game 18 127
Game 19 102
2011
Knocked out of the playoffs by throwing 3 INT’s.
So, it seems quite clear, when Sancheeze plays well they move on, (and believe it, a 127 rating is far better than mediocre) when he sucks, they go home. Which makes my point, this league is very QB dependent. Don’t you know if Manning or Rogers or any of the top QB’s were playing for that team they would have been in the SB, IMO.
I'm definitely not saying to completely ignore the QB position...
just don’t force it. If the opportunity is there to take a top QB in the draft, then do it. If not, don’t give up everything we already have for a guy that may or may not work out. I am sure that we will be able pick up a QB that is an upgrade over Moore and Henne without having to trade away the better half of the team.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 11:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yours is a wise, well balanced approach
I’m leaning toward an out of balance, all out blitz to obtain the best QB we can lay our greasy little hands on… :)
“A wish is desire without energy… Will means I act until I get my wish.” Perhaps it’s time for some rash action to obtain what has alluded us.
should I have said "Vince Young part 2"?
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 9:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
no
you should watch him play once
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I have.
I compare them not on playing style, but on hopes that he DOES NOT end up being the next athletic QB 1st round draft bust. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 7, 2012 2:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Vince Young part 2
implies that you think he’s going to be like Vince Young. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant.
But, he’s not the only athletic QB in the first round, and if you going to be nervous about him busting, you should be worried about Andrew Luck as well. Griffin outdid him in every single passing stat (tied in TD’s) with 2 less attempts. The run stats were designed runs, Griffin isn’t a one-read and take off player. Luck is actually a phenomenal athlete who can really do damage when he scrambles (his 453 rushing yards as a sophomore attest to that).
I just think it’s wrong to hold Griffin’s athleticism against him when it’s a complement to his impressive passing ability.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't just hate on RG3...
I’m not saying that Luck is that much better and has no chance of busting. I am not mentioning Luck because I feel that we would have NO chance at picking him up without trading all our picks and trading off our talent to the Colts (which I think would be a BIG mistake). I feel that every rookie has a chance of being a bust no matter how athletic, smart or successful they were in college. They could be the most potential-laden prospect to ever play any position, but in the wrong system, or under the wrong coaching staff, the player may never reach his potential. The player may have the best work ethic, the most drive of anyone, but say the player gets injured before ever stepping on the field, or he plays but never lives up to the crazy high expectations of the fan base. He is then labeled a bust. I don’t want to say anyone is a “sure thing” until they have played in the league.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 7, 2012 2:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Vince Young's problem is NOT his level of talent. He has that but lacks both the maturity and the overall mental
ability to take his game to the next level. If you tell me that Griffin is a YV clone physically then I say go all in on him as Griffin is miles beyond Young on the mental front.
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no I'm not saying he is a VY clone...
I’m saying I don’t want him to be another 1st round bust like VY, or Leaf or Leinart for that matter.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 7, 2012 3:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Big difference between all of those vs. Griffin? Mental make up.
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No way he's a bust.
You see the way he reads defences? You see his arm? You see his accuracy? You see his mobility? Man this guy is a cant miss. I mean if Flynn or Tannehill or Moore is the guy I’ll support him, but RG3 would get me just so damn excited!
On the bright side then...
He can’t be compared to Pat White since White wasn’t a first round pick…
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LOL @ all of this
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by The Earl on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Also LOL @ everyone who thinks that you don't need a great QB
Yeah… tell that to the COlts, who have SOOO many needs it’s pathetic. They don’t need to draft Andrew Luck. They need a better offensive line and would do better to draft a LT in the first round. They have Orlovsky who would be so much better if his O-line was better.
LOLOL… yeah right. There is a reason Luck is going to be drafted first. I can’t wait to hear the excuses after we draft yet another O-lineman in the first and finish 7-9 yet again. High comedy… keep it up folks.
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The Colts would've been better off if...
they didn’t build their entire offense dependant around one fricken guy. They put all their eggs in one basket (Peyton Manning) and they ultimately paid for it.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 10:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They paid for it by making the playoffs year after year after year after year after year...
The truth is that you need a great QB to win year in and year out. Having a great O-line isn’t going to help you win, when your QB throws picks all the time or is terribly inaccurate. That’s why the jets failed. Having a great O-line isn’t going to help the Dolphins win unless the QB plays at a consistently high level.
The Colts build a team around Manning, but it was a BAD team. They have been bad drafters over the past few years and it’s now catching up to them. The difference wasManning was so good, that they won despite their terrible roster. He masked many of their deficiencies. Once Manning went out, we saw just how bad the Colts were. If Manning plays this year, they win at least 8 games, if not 10 games. What the Colts DIDN’T do was ignore the QB position when they needed to back in 1998 in order to draft a LT or some other position. They won’t do that this year either, even though they basically need a completely rebuilt team.
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I'm not saying to completely ignore the QB position but...
let’s not bankrupt the team to get RG3. Miami can win with just an above average QB. Heck, the O-line doesn’t have to be amazing either to win. I feel that if Miami can bring the right guy in as head coach, magic can happen. Look at the 49ers. Talent-wise, they are about even with the Dolphins. In fact, they actually lost talent on their defense from a year ago, yet they were able to win their division and make the playoffs. I will also use the University of Hawaii football team as an example. Back in 1998, Hawaii suffered a winless season. After losing 17 straight games, Hawaii fired head coach Fred Von Appen, and picked up June Jones (who was set to take the head job with the Chargers). Using largely the same players that went winless the previous year, Jones led Hawaii to 9 wins and a victory over Oregon State in a bowl game. The difference for Hawaii from 1998 to 1999 (and the 49ers from 2010 to 2011) was not talent, but coaching.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 6, 2012 11:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree that we need to improve our coaching
But I strongly disagree when someone says “QB is not our problem.” I cannot go along with this idea that “an average QB can get it done.” I know we have other needs, but the need at QB trumps them all. The only time that QB is not a team’s greatest need is when they already have a franchise QB.
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by The Earl on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Colts are the perfect example of the housing bubble market.
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RG3?? Are you high?!!?!?! Complete bust and we would have to trade up to get him when we have more GLARING issues on this team. Luck is now the only viable QB in this draft and he is out of our reach. We would throw away the future if we traded up for him. Sure up everything around the QB this year and we can make a run. Next year we can give up the draft for a QB if it doesn’t pan out.
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If you have to be high to jump aboard the RG3 train, than pass the bong brah
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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lol the entire country is high
because he’s getting buzz as a potential #1 pick, OVER Andrew Luck. Will it happen? Probably not, Luck is the safe way to go and is as close to sure-fire as you can get in the draft. But could it? Yes. And that’s the whole point, the kid can play.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Grab RG3 if he is still there...
If not, then fill our other team needs in the draft, we can still grab a 2nd tier rookie QB like Brandon Weeden or Russell Wilson, pick up a FA like Matt Flynn or Jason Campbell and if they don’t work out, we can draft Matt Barkley in 2013.
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 7, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
that's the issue though
if they don’t work out, we a) wasted a pick or valuable cap money on a long-term contract (FA QB’s aren’t coming here on a one-year deal), and b) will still need to trade up for Barkley.
The only need that matters is QB. Everything else is secondary. We have a chance to go get one of the two VERY good QB prospects. We can’t put that off until next year. It’s been “next year” for a decade.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
The problem IS
that with our talent we won’t be drafting high enough for Barkley next year. So next year people with that mentality will be saying,"grab the best OL. We’ll draft our QB next year. Etc…….
Notice a pattern?
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Thanks to TCP for this gem.
No, don't see it....
What I see is Moore will get us a better record next year which will put us even further down the draft. THIS is our year to trade up and grab RG3 or even Luck.
You misunderstood me.
Thanks for clearing up my post for me :)
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Unless Miami trades down this year...
Gets a first in 2013 and then packages the two first rounders to move up.
You’ll also have Landry Jones in the draft next year who could increase his stock drastically with another year. Then you may have Tyler Bray and Tyler Wilson there as well. There will be more QB prospects than just Barkley.
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Nice sermation I'll give this a rec!
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