Miami Dolphins Coaching Searches: Peterson and Ireland Directing Separate Hunts
by Kevin Nogle on Jan 4, 2012 5:00 AM EST
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PrintThe Miami Dolphins on Tuesday met with Jeff Fisher, gauging how well the former Tennessee Titans' head coach would fit with the franchise. Tuesday night, the franchise wined and dined Chicago Bears special teams coach Dave Toub, before hosting him at the team's training facility later today in a formal interview. But, this isn't a coordinated scheduling of interviews. The Dolphins actually seem to have two separate coaching searched happening right now.
Miami General Manager Jeff Ireland is heading the Dolphins' coach hunt, and has been given the power by owner Stephen Ross to find the right guy for the job. Meanwhile, Ross has apparently allowed former Kansas City Chiefs President, and non-Miami Dolphins employee, Carl Peterson to direct his own search for the next head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
So, the Dolphins, the same team that went searching for a coach last offseason, while they actually still had a head coach, now have two separate coaching searches happening?
According to NFL.com, that's exactly what the team is doing. And, who remains with the Dolphins, Peterson or Ireland, could very well depend on which coach is hired.
Fisher was a Peterson coaching candidate. He was flown in to the Dolphins' facility on Ross' personal helicopter, with Peterson on board. The majority of the interview was conducted with Peterson, although Fisher did meet with Ross and Ireland. And, Fisher left Miami, reportedly to interview with the St. Louis Rams next week, with an offer on the table.
Meanwhile, Ireland brought Toub in to Miami last night, with the formal interview scheduled to take place today. Toub will meet with Ireland and Ross, but absent from his itinerary is any time with Peterson.
Both Peterson and Ireland have reportedly made extensive lists of possible candidates. If Peterson lands Fisher, or one of the other candidates from his list, which reportedly includes Washington Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, then he will be hired as the Dolphins' President. He would then replace Ireland, and the rest of the front office, with members of his staff from his Kansas City days.
Meanwhile, if the Dolphins hire one of Ireland's candidates, then the General Manager will stay on with the team, without Peterson in the organization.
Interestingly, if the team does not sign Fisher, they are expected to try to keep Todd Bowles, the team's interim head coach for the final three games of the season, and the first candidate interviewed for the job, on the defensive coaching staff in some role. Bowles is expected to be a valued commodity in the league this offseason, with teams looking to hire him as either a defensive coordinator or as a head coach.
As the Dolphins continue their parallel searches for a new coach, it will be interesting to see which list provides the right candidate. And, ultimately, who has a job with the Dolphins and who doesn't.
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Weird
What was the source for all of this info - either I read over it or it’s not listed. Is this speculation or did Ross come out and make this statement?
Either way, this to me seems strange…..almost like flipping a coin. If we hire this guy, then you’re my GM. If we hire that guy, then you’re my president and you can bring in your own GM.
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by rintintinsoldier on Jan 4, 2012 6:15 AM EST reply actions
NFL.com
Click on “who remains with the Dolphins” just before the jump. It will take you to the article there.
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Sorry, I read right over it -- thanks
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by rintintinsoldier on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes...very very weird. Makes me nervous
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by tuscanitunr x2 on Jan 4, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ross = next Al Davis
except Al was an all time great before his last few years.. RIP AL!
does this make Ross worse then? WTF? If we keep conducting ourselves like this, no-one good is gonna want to coach & no free agents are going to want to come here..
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by Phinphinatic on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Our organization is weird
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by Kdog92 on Jan 4, 2012 6:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ross is a very odd owner...
He can pretty much write the book on what not to do develop loyalty in an organization. I mean, Mosul was joking about the hiring of peterson thing. This makes no sense. I would not want to come and coach here if this is how the owner is going to handle his business.
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God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
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by Phinphinatic on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I thought, Mosul was joking.....is what i meant to say
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by Phinphinatic on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Definately Strange
I am cheering for Peterson to hire a head coach, that way Ireland is gone, and thats definately a plus. I wonder if Peterson is going to interview Billick for the Miami head coaching position. Also interesting is Ireland is apparently NOT interviewing any big name coaches.
Do you really want King Carl, who ran the Kansas City Chiefs into the ground, instead?
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Not exactly thrilled by that prospect.
I’m tired of our constant turmoil at all management levels in the organization. I don’t care who does it, I just want things fixed. We’re not that far off. I hope Rob Chudzinski is on both of their lists.
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Sounds like where you work... LOL!
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LOL. You know it!
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But if you are tired of the turmoil in the Dolphins management
wouldn’t you want new management, from the top down? Does the hiring of Rob Chudzinski change your perceptions of management?
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That doesn't necessarily mean I want the house cleaned.
I wouldn’t mind if Ireland is GM, but we absolutely need a HC that will be here in 2015 and wouldn’t be trying to dodge rocks in 2014. Our roster isn’t bad and Ireland staying doesn’t make me think we’ll be weak with our personnel. I’m more concerned with how we’ve used our personnel. Let’s get a HC that can work with a GM, whether it is is Peterson or Ireland, and get this thing back on track.
Hiring Chudzinski would make me more comfortable helping a young QB grow and fix our offense.
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My problem isn't that Ireland is incompetent per se
Although Im far from being assured that he is. The reason I asked the question is because it slightly changes my perception or at least removes one of my fears.
That is that Ireland as GM because of his relative inexperience and the character problems that have come up multiple times limit the candidates the team can find at Head Coach. It seems with all of what the Dolphins are currently doing with Peterson that this may have validity. If it does i ask myself, is Ireland worth sacrificing the best candidate? Regardless of his personnel moves which have been a mixed bag (the team has had remember three losing seasons in a row) I am hard pressed to think that he is.
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Ireland is worth sacrificing for some candidates
If Bill Cowher came in and said he wanted to be Head Coach, but wanted to bring in his own person for GM, I would pack Ireland’s office for him and he’d find his belongings on the street the next morning. I don’t necessarily think Ireland has as many character concerns as people think and really only fault him for his comment to Dez Bryant. Many would like to criticize him for being on the plane to interview Harbaugh, but it’s not like he can really say no to Ross.
Miami has had three losing seasons in a row, but most considered the seasons major disappointments because they should’ve won more with the talent they had. That would be more indicative to a coaching problem. If we were looking at the Dolphins in 2011 or looking towards them in 2012 (like the Browns, Seahawks, Cardinals, Jaguars, and others) and thinking that we could win 6 or 7 games at best, then I think we have a personnel problem.
Remember that Ron Wolf, considered one of the best, if not the best, GMs of all time was TB’s GM when they won 7 games in 3 years. This is the same Ron Wolf that brought Favre and White to GB and turned the franchise around. I don’t think Ireland is exactly a great GM, but I don’t think he’s that bad.
On a sidenote, if we did replace Ireland, I’d be rooting for Reggie McKenzie for Miami’s next GM.
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You raise a few different points here.
I agree enirely with the first one. I don’t have enough faith in Ireland as a General Manager, partially because of his inexperience, to want him him to stay on as GM if he hurts the teams chances in landing a top candidate for the Head Coaching position.
As for his character concerns Im not sure I can agree. I have mixed feelings and it is hard to gauge because he is such an enigma. Its not so much his character per se but its that everything this management does is weird. The man only gives about 10 press conferences a year and even at Tony Sparano’s exit press conference Stephen Ross fielded the questions (except for two) despite Ireland being the top official in a managerial position in this organization. Thats unheard of. Clark Hunt didn’t have to field the questions for Scott Pioli when Todd Haley was relieved. Malcolm Glazer didnt have to answer questions for Marc Dominic when Raheem Morris was relieved. As GM he refused to defend Chad Henne in the 2011 pre-draft pressers and he publically criticized after Henne’s comment about being hurt by the Orton chants in Training Camp. Im not saying that he is as a bad a person as he is sometimes made out to be, its hard to judge, but why is it that in Miami everything that this management does is strange? That reflects poorly on Ireland and on Ross.
As for his personnel decisions it is again hard to gauge because as Parcells reduced his role with the team, before leaving entirely, its difficult to know to what extent Ireland was involved in major decisions. How much involvement? To what extent did his role increase and how quickly? We don’t really know so we have only one season to judge him yet he has been here for 4. If for three seasons he was nothing more than a “yes man” under Parcells than I have no faith in his judgement.
As for Reggie McKenzie it looks like he is going to go to Oakland.
My point is essentially the same as it was. He very well may limit this teams options at Head Coach, if he does the question shouldn’t be how bad he is because in some ways we just dont know. It should be is he worth keeping despite losing the top potential candidates. I see nothing that shows that he is.
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That probably explains why Gruden said no
…and why Fisher will go somewhere else.
I hope that report is wrong, because that method is simply stupid.
I love how the Towel Throwers and Henne haters are quickly silenced by the smallest modicum of success. Here's a thought: You'll never appreciate the successes unless you believe and support them when they're supposed to be down. I don't care how entitled you feel that you are to your negativity, a person that boos their own team is simply a jerk.
I think the problem is becoming clearer...Questionable ownership!
I wish this owner would use some successful owners out there as examples, instead of doing his own thing.
I hope we get lucky. Sigh…
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I actually think he's not trying to do his own thing
I think he’s trying to do the right thing. That’s the reason he worked so hard, including guaranteeing his entire salary,even if he quit, to keep Bill Parcells. Ross realizes his strength is not running football operations. His strength is marketing and entertainment. That’s why he has the celebrity owners. That’s why he has the night club. That’s why he has the orange carpet. That’s why he made sure to bring back the Joe Robbie statue and do the Walk of Fame.
He wanted Parcells to handle all of the football side, because Parcells knew football better than him. Bill ran the team into the ground and bolted. That made Ross have to come back into running football operations. Now, he is trying to get advice from his friend, a football insider, Carl Peterson. Well, King Carl wants power, and he realizes that he can call the shots, and Ross will trust him. Peterson was the one who advised him that it was okay to go to California last offseason. This offseason, he’s trying to get the coach he thinks will let him have the President role. And, he’s doing it all, while appeasing Ross’ desire to have someone with football knowledge run the football operations.
At least, that’s how I see what is happening.
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It makes sense...
Ohhhh to be a flyyyyy on the wall in these situations eh?
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by tuscanitunr x2 on Jan 4, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Also think it's a good idea
There will be coaches who won’t come due to Ireland’s handling of Sparano during the season while Peterson’s can connect with the big name mentors. !st round, Toub vs Fisher.
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by fin4three5yrs on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Seems Ross can't make a decision.
He keeps Ireland, but doesn’t trust him.
He let’s a “friend” do some coach shopping, who is a monster waiting to eat everything that gets in his way of the presidency.
Wonder how his wife won? Was she the one who gave the best bj? Or was she the one who brought the best “extra girl” into the bedroom?
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
If Peterson gave the thumbs up on that trip to California...
the results should tell Ross all he needs to know about the man. It’s hard to imagine why he would still be taking his advice.
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Stupid Name and Article
You must be a Jet fan to write such stupid BS……
And for anybody to believe this crap you need your head examined!
I will never click on this worthless site again.
hehe
another fan. Sometimes I think gettting reactions like that are even better than getting overly positive ones. That stuff just cracks me up!! LMAO ….. Dont go markey mark, we need your enthusiasm around here!
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
by Phinphinatic on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t let the door hit you in the a*s on the way out, bub.
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by DolphinNation on Jan 4, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Back to omar’s blog you go
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LOL
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 5, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
The Front office reminds me of my sister
If there wasn’t so much random stupidity, you would try harder to like them
by Northern Fin Fan on Jan 4, 2012 7:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
lmao
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thats a rec!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
WOW!!!
I really hope that Ireland finds the new HC and i hope it is Chudzinski and Carl Peterson never steps foot in a Dolphins facility again. Firing Ireland to hire Peterson would be such a set back for this team. we have a good foundation with good coordinaters all we need is hungry HC that will work good with a young QB, and look at what Chudzinski did with Cam Newton. Peterson is a joke and his staff was a joke thats why they WERE in charge of operations in KC, and now they are uneployed.
I'm starting to have doubts about Chud...
He’s only been a coordinator for one year. Plus, look what happened with Cameron. I mean, if they interview him and he blows him away then go for it. But if he gives a crappy interview and they still hire him, like what they did with Cameron, then it could end in disaster.
The point is we need a leader. Someone who will get the players going. We don’t need to make the glitzy appointment, we need to make the right appointment. The guy who gives the best interview wins.
Oh lord, Ross is turning the Dolphins offseason into a freakshow!
I never got a prize for doing what was expected of me.
Funny stuff the new halftime show will be those crazy circus people ( the bearded women , crab man etc.)
by DPHIN on Jan 4, 2012 9:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
leave alpha out of this!
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
by Phinphinatic on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Sheeeeit, I'll either be walking around monkey boy, or walking behind the elephants sweeping...
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Easy on the monkeys…
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by DolphinNation on Jan 4, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I woodn't mind a few samoeans this precamp!
Hawaii likes the nfl lets extend a hand send a few scouts also!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 5, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm stunned
How can Ross be THIS incompetent. It’s beyond words. You can’t possibly make this up and sound believable.
It’s like watching a sat night live skit. This franchise has no hope with Ross as owner.
Please read my comment above.
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Yes your previous reply sounds plausable...
…and is most likely what has taken place.
Doesn’t this sound like searching for a new GM while you still have one? I would have thought last years debacle taught Ross some lessons in that regard.
A side note…I’d take Ireland over Peterson in a heart beat and I’m NOT an Ireland fan.
100% agree with both statements
It really is a kind og GM search with a GM in place….
And, I would happily keep Ireland over hiring Carl.
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Seriously ... Ireland over Peterson?
You know what Peterson’s biggest issue at KC was while he was GM there? John Elway. He also was the GM for the Chiefs during the 90’s that had more wins than any other NFL team for the decade.
Do I think Peterson is “great”? No. Do I want him as the GM for the Dolphins? If my choices are Peterson or Ireland, then YES. Because I know that at least Peterson is competent. Nothing Ireland has done in his 4 years in the position has giving me any indication that he is competent.
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Bill Parcells was great in the 90's too.....
Not really sure using the 90s as an example of greatness is really a valid argument right now.
I don’t like what Peterson has done, or the staff he built, in KC. He wants to bring that same staff with him to Miami. I would rather have Ireland.
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I would rather start fresh too. I don't want Peterson. But Ireland has shown nothing in his 4 years.
If the choice is between Peterson and Ireland, that’s a no brainer, I take Peterson all day every day and twice on Sundays.
Why Ireland gets a pass for being the GM for 3 straight losing seasons is beyond me. Any other GM (with the exception of Millen in Detroit) would be shown the door. If the argument is that he was Parcels “Yes Man” for 3 years, then that makes it even worse, IMO, and he should be shown the door that much quicker.
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No one has said he was Parcells "Yes Man"
But, his contract said he answered to Parcells. So, every move he wanted to make, Parcells got to approve or veto.
Sicne losing Parcells, Ireland landed Bush, kept Soliai, brought in Burnett (who started slowly, but surpassed Crowder’s contributions), drafted Pouncey despite it being seen as a “reach” because he couldn’t be an NFL center, drafted Thomas (who shows promise, though he fell off at the end of the year), drafted Clyde Gates (who shows promise as soon as he cleans up his route running), grabbed Jimmy Wilson in the 7th round.
The one year we can all say for sure was Ireland’s, he did a solid job.
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And, for the record, if Ireland goes, I'm not going to be upset about it.
I don’t mean to defend the guy to the point of saying we have to keep him. I’m just try to counter the argument that he has been horrible. I’m not sure he has been.
I just prefer the guy that did what he did this year, to King Carl and his minions who ran KC into the ground.
If you told me we were bringing in Polian or keeping Ross, it’s a no brainer. If you told me we were firing Ireland because Ross lost confidence in him, no problem. If you told me we were firing Ireland because King Carl wants the power, I’m upset.
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i feel like people just have such a bad taste in their mouth
about this team that they only focus on the negative hoping that we can improve through addition by subtraction. It is very easy to dismiss irelands contributions as of recently but seemingly difficult to remind everyone of his minimal say so when parcels was around. People just want a complete change regardless of the consequences around here.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
I would agree
There is a lot of change for change’s sake around here right now. Not that ct is doing that, but around the site as a whole, it’s a need to see change, just to feel like somethign is being done.
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i agree change is neccessary,
but we have to consider the alternatives. We cant fire someone to bring in a proven loser just to make a change. We have to find a consensus upgrade to make a positive difference for this organization.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
If you read posts from around the league it's common
Read what fans from other non playoff teams are posting. Same as here…..demanding heads roll. People are venting and jobs are what they’re focused on.
Part of it is because Ireland is connected to Sparano and Parcells.
Many don’t like either of them so Ireland is seen in a negative light by association.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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Ross is a real estate mogul.
And that’s about where his expertise ends.
I never got a prize for doing what was expected of me.
oh god
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by AnishB15 on Jan 4, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
IS THIS THE TWILIGHT ZONE?
And somebody tell me… what has anyone in the Chiefs organization done in the last 10 years to merit coming over here?
count out the last few years though
King carl wasn’t with them and they have some great players like bowe, moeaki and charles.
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by AnishB15 on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We need to take up a collection of $1000 from one million individual Miami fans
and buy this team from Ross.
More of Moore in 2012!
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unfortunately, we cant do that
I’m pretty sure an nfl team can have a max of 13 owners (or something like that). Green bay’s system was grandfathered in.
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by AnishB15 on Jan 4, 2012 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plus I doubt we could find a million fans with 1000 dollars lol
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I somehow wished Wayne Howdoyouspellhislastname Didnt sell the team to Ross
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he is still part owner
just not the good part.
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
by Phinphinatic on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Do we have a good part?
I’m not so sure yet.
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We have the ass end....
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which is the most robust
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
We would still need a majority owner with 30% of the team's assets either owned by himself or a combination of him and his family (No less than 10% by the individual).
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
Debacle
Obviously, Ross didn’t learn much from last offseason’s debacle. How can such a business- smart man be so ignorant?? Especially after some time to learn and adjust. Wow!!!
by miamimike71 on Jan 4, 2012 9:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe he gets too much credit for business sense
It’s an assumption based on monetary assets, not facts. The facts say differently. He appears to be an absolute joke.
also,
Is it just me or does toub lok like obi-wan from star wars
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by AnishB15 on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is not the head coaching candidate you're looking for.
More of Moore in 2012!
'Phins phor Liphe!
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by DolphinNation on Jan 4, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Finkle & Einhorn
Randy Shannon owes me a Liver.
by SSFDballer on Jan 4, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I see it in a different way.......
Ireland and Peterson are going out and looking for a head coach to double their search. Ireland looking at OC,DC, and ST coaches from other teams while Peterson a more established name trying to get big names Gruden and Fisher to come. The whole competition of who ever finds one I think is wrong(hopefully). This is comming from La Confora and i dont trust him. If its true God help our team. Ireland or Peterson would hire anyone to keep their job, but i think Ross will look at what each person brings and then makes his decision.
PS. Loved the Title and Great Post!!
This does make a great deal of sense.
Afterall Ireland was there when they interviewed Fisher, or rather Fisher interviewed them. They ought to give Billick and interview and see how he does. A Billick/Nolan ticket could be the right one.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
It's a very good possibility.
That’s what I thought at first too, until the part about Peterson getting the job if Fisher is hired, etc., etc.
Interesting to see what happens.
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Toub
I really like Toub….special teams background gets you involved with players from each side of the ball….has done a great job with Chicago, when he was with the Eagles Reid lived him….incredibly detailed oriented….has that HC scowl/toughness at times which commands respect….we don’t need another Cam (Chud kind of reminds me of Cam…I may be off base).
Fisher or Toub are my top two choices.
We're an embarrassment
“first one to hire a coach wins the gm job! Ready, set, GO!”
Both of them are gonna throw offers at every candidate they meet with, and the first jackass that says yes is our new head coach. Once again, I’m embarrassed to be a Dolphins fan
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Strange part is...
Ross gave Peterson the power to offer the Dolphins Head Coach position, which he did to Fisher. I wonder if Ross gave the same power to Ireland. And if so, what if both Ireland and Peterson find HCs that accept their offers? That would make it a difficult situation to handle…
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No, no, no...
As we’ve said above it could be possible that Ross has instructed Peterson to go get the big time head coaches and Ireland to focus on the OC’s, DC’s, ST’s etc etc. It’s kind of like the mantra, ‘go get a big name coach. In the meantime we’ll interview the hot coordinators. if the big name coach don’t work out, then we fall back on one of the coordinators’.
Although this viewpoint would be destroyed if Peterson interviews Jim Haslett, if rumours are to be believed…
Ross should have just hired Dan Marino as GM, just like the Broncos did with Elway!
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not debating that part
What I am saying is that Peterson has been given permission to actually offer the job, not just interview. What if Peterson and Ireland, who we’d assume may be able to offer the job, both make offers? If Peterson offers the job to Haslett and he accepts and Ireland offers the job to Philbin and he accepts, what would Ross do? He had both people on the hunt interview and actually offer the job to two different individuals. It creates a dilemma for Ross and could make it hard for Peterson and Ireland to coexist.
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My guess is that Ross is the only one allowed to actually make the offer.
Everyone who is getting interviewed has to meet with Ross. He gets to see what they are like, hear what they say, and give the okay for the offer.
He told Peterson to talk to Gruden about the job.
He told Peterson to offer Fisher the job.
And, any other offers, I would imagine, can only come with Ross’ blessing.
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dont forget about the starting QB scavenger hunt later...
and the starting RT pin the tail on the donkey that columbo won last year.
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
by Phinphinatic on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
We are an embarrassment because the organization has only been to the playoffs once in the last decade.
This is just a minor blip on the radar. The problem with Ross is that he is trying to be liked and trying to make everyone happy. He needs to be tougher. He needs to be a jerk. He needs to pick a lane.
If he trusts Peterson, get rid of Ireland. If he trusts Ireland, show Peterson the door. Be a hard ass. That is what you have to be when you run a team. Make a decision and then stick with it.
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I agree that the owner is doing some things wrong
But he is the team owner and I think its a waste of time to keep bitching about his way of doing business. Why shouldn’t we be happy that he is trying (although unconventionally) to build a winning team. I find it so much more interesting to read about the football team here and not about the owner. To be frank, Steven Ross isn’t going away, so deal with it….
Everyone has an opinion I guess, and this is my own….
Jimbo
by Dolphinator on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
But it's a very valid point
Stephen Ross owns the team. He gets to do whatever he wants.
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Mosul, I do apologize for being somewhat blunt,
But I just get sick of seeing so many negative comments about what Ross is doing wrong. If somehow he gets the right HC and the right QB and we make the playoffs next year, All of his antics will be forgiven. “A successful man is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks others have thrown at him” – David Brinkley…
Jimbo
by Dolphinator on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ownership is not the problem with the franchise. The people he was stuck with are.
Parcels, Ireland, and Sparano are / were the problems. If this process, though unconventional, gets rid of Ireland, then it was a success.
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so its not the bosses fault that his employees are bad?
but as long as ireland goes this will make you happy, no.
a wise man once said..."My cats breath smells like cat food"
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
I had to log in and comment for the very first time here…just to say…
That, if this is true, this is seriously the worst, most stupid, idiotic direction a team has taken in the NFL, maybe…ever.
We are very clearly a laughing stock…if I were Jeff Fisher I would not come within 500 miles on the Dolphins now.
In all Honesty I somehow believe in my heart that Ross wants the best for the team
He just doesnt know how to do it.. Tuna left him hanging & Bad advice from King Carl..
He is Al Davis in his later years, without all the 40+ years of being a great NFL persona..
I think, IMHO, that Ross is trying TO HARD! I really believe he wants a great team but has no clue how.. & when you look at who tells him what to do, all he has gotten is bad advice, from both the Tuna & King Mackrel Carl..
Ralph Wilson or someone needs to give ole Ross a call & try to explain, so we wont be an embaressment :(
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Exactly.
He was given Tuna from Wayne, so he stuck with him until the Tuna bolted. Then, he turned to the guy he has known the longest in the NFL, King Carl. But all King Carl wants is to have the power to mold a team and prove he doesn’t suck like he did in KC.
Ross wants this team to be successful, but realizes he is not a football guru. He wants a football guru to guide the football operations. He’s just had two bad guys giving him advice at this point.
Quick, someone get him Bill Polian’s number.
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Or...
Just offer me the Chief of Football Operations and I’ll take care of getting our GM and HC…
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Well, I think all the owners want the best for their team
Even Al Davis, Dan Snyder, and Jerry Jones, for as meddling they are and how poor they’ve done, they still want(ed) the best for their franchises. The only owner I would doubt truly wants the best for his team may be the Bidwell family in Arizona.
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I agree with you Dove.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Ross is trying his best in the interest of the team
the problem is he couldn’t run a Little League team let alone a pro football team.
Since he’s made it clear he is just a fan of the game, it’s apparent that an Owner thats knows jack about football is not real smart to begin with, I think he thought he could pay everyone for Wins and it’s not working out.
Smartest guy of the last decade, Wayne Huizenga, he knew when to jump ship.
I don't care if we hire Jim Mora as our head coach
I just want a team that can win and get us deep in the playoffs
by Guess Who's Back? on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions
Playoffs?? You want to talk about playoffs?? Playoffs??
Sorry….had to be done….
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Please can we go get Billick?
He will bring stability. Players will respect him. He will bring a win-first attitude. He also knows Nolan well from the Ravens. The thing that went wrong for him at the Ravens was that he didn’t bring in a franchise quarterback. He will have learned from that. You all should look at his numbers when he was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings.
People talk about his age (57 yrs), but Bill Belichick is 59. Is he showing any sign of slowing down?
save the money for more playing talent
Or an upgrade to the playing talent and hire Bowles or another young coach to a one year deal.When the Dolphins start winning because of the depth of the playing talent they have all the talk about Peterson,Fisher,Billick etc will have long been forgotten.Then Ross, they will want to coach here so they can clearly see that with the team in place they can win it all.
Stupid question maybe
Does money paid to coaches count in terms of salary cap as it relates to players?
when you have players
to make a comparison you can let Riley sit in the stands while Spolestra leads the team to the finals.
Just set aside the weird two-track search for a second.
What does it say that, in that system, the guy who has no role with the team is the one who gets to interview and make offers to the big name candidates, and the guy who does have a role with the team is left to interview the scrubs?
That’s a real question. I don’t know what to make of that. I can think of several possibilities, but I’m curious what you guys think.
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