Miami Dolphins 7 Round 2012 Mock Draft
Hi folks,
This is my second 7 round mock draft. Before I start, let me explain my thinking behind this draft. Coach Philbin has made clear that he loves high character guys. Just look at the Packers team. Great work ethic. They all understand each other. They play as a team. We need that here in Miami. We don't need Marshall whining all the time. Everyone needs to pull together. I think Philbin will set this record straight the minute pre-season training starts. Philbin also said he reckons we have the bones of a good team, we just need a little tweaking here and there. We need an athletic tight end, we need a pass rusher, we need some help on the offensive line. These are all needs that will be covered in this mock draft. But above all, Philbin knows he needs to win now. That's why I think he will go with a free agent quarterback - Manning or Flynn - take your pick. I must admit, I love Robert Griffin. But that trade will hinder this team. Philbin wants to build a team, not a one-man bandwagon. With this in mind, lets get down to business.
Round 1. TE Dwayne Allen.
Yeap, you guessed it. We traded down. I mean Quinton Coples could be had with the 9th overall pick, and is a great talent. But his attitude won't impress Philbin. In Philbin's offense, the key here is an athletic TE. Is he too high here? Maybe. But he sure is worth it. We need to help our QB as much as possible. He needs protecting and he needs weapons. The future Miami QB will get them in this draft. Dwayne Allen is like swiss army knife. He can block, he has nice soft hands, speed is good and can make those cuts and turns. Oh yeah, and did I mention he's got a great handoff and breaks tackles? Hell, he outright flattens defensive backs. This guy will convert short passes into long gains. A Pro-Bowler in the making. An incredibly important player that will help define where this franchise is pointing - upwards.
Round 2. OG Kevin Zeitler.
Philbin needs an athletic offensive line. He gets his guard here. Nice quick feet to play in a high-powered offense. Low centre of gravity and great agility for a pass blocker. Dependable, durable, works hard in the weight room. Good kid.
Round 2. DE Vinny Curry
We traded back and picked up a mid-late 2nd. Philbin addresses the pass-rusher need here. Won't wow you with elite speed as a pass rusher, but will prove incredibly effective across from Cameron Wake. What he does have on his side is a relentless motor, explosion, great strength and NFL calibre tackling. Yes, he may not have the speed of Whitney Mercilus, but he is incredibly football smart. He will make sacks. Imagine you're the opposition QB. You see Wake and Curry lining up against you. Which one does your offensive line defend? One of them will get to you eventually. But above all, he's a team leader. Young players look up to him. Great intangibles.
Round 3. RT Brandon Mosley.
This is one of our biggest needs. A huge need. But that doesn't mean we have to spend a first round draft pick to get him. As I've said, we need athletic offensive lineman. This is one of them. He may be a bit raw, but he sure as hell stepped into the country's toughest conference at college football and played well immediately. Long arms, powerful base, great in pass protection. Great work ethic and excellent preparation. Won the starting RT job in his first year. He'll beat out his competition and win the starting RT job in Miami too.
Round 4. CB Cliff Harris.
My first four picks have been quality picks that will make an immediate contribution. With this pick, we take a little bit of a risk. I can't help but be wowed by this guy on the field. Great hands, excellent anticipatory skills, effective tackler and good speed. He got interceptions against Andrew Luck, not to mention he's a lethal kick returner. Last spring, he was touted as a first round prospect. First round prospect in the fourth round? What's the hitch? Well, he's got a few issues. He managed to rack up $5,000 in fines for traffic tickets. But, if anyone can get him back on the straight and narrow, I know Philbin can. Great value here.
Round 5. OLB Tyler Nielson.
Competition for the OLB spot. Since we're more than likely to operate some form of the 4-3 technique defense, Nielson warrants mention here. He's not a blitzer, and doesn't need to be. Iowa linebackers are known to be athletic, hard working and well-coached. This guy ticks all three of those categories. Great in pass coverage and solid in run defence. Very quick at recognizing and reacting to run v pass when near the line.
Round 6. RB Edwin Baker.
This is an insurance policy in case something happens to Reggie Bush. Youtube this guy. Big play ability with his speed and vision. Once he's in space, he's gone. Imagine if both he and Bush line up together on a few plays. Which one do you defend against?
Round 7. DT Tydreke Powell.
4-3 technique DT. Great frame, measuring at 6"2 and coming in at 309 pounds. Athletic prospect, extremely durable, quick off the snap and disruptive. Problems: not a natural knee bender. Great depth. Coach him up.
All of these players have the potential to make an impact straight away. They're all dependable, durable and football smart. The only risky move was my fourth round pick, but I find it hard to pass on a guy with those physical attributes and on-the-field gameplay. We just need to sort the guy's head out. Philbin has the potential to be a good head coach. He has made his job easier by appointing quality assistants. Now, he's made his life even more easier by signing a good QB ready to start straight away. That QB will have the best possible chance to succeed. He will be protected and have plenty of time to make decisions. This will be especially important if Flynn comes in. He might need a bit of extra time to make decisions than a seasoned veteran in Manning. But above all, the QB will have the weapons. WR, done. RB, done. TE, done. We managed to achieve this, as well as tweaking the defense. We now have two good pass rushers, depth at OLB, depth at CB and depth at DT. Sure, we could do with a FS. Maybe that will get sorted in free agency. Maybe it won't. But I believe with a draft like this, we will soon be making those playoffs for many a year to come.
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meh...
it doesnt excite me, but I wouldnt be mad if this happened. Also, idk why people see G as a problem. The only position on the O-Line that needs to be improved IMO is RT and I thnk Jerry can solve that problem allowing us to use that extra 2nd rounder on another position (possibly WR if we dont pick one up in FA)
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Jerry isn't athletic enough and can't pull. He has a better shot at RT.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
thats what I said, RT needs to be improved and "Jerry can solve that problem"
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My bad. But are you hedging your bets on this guy? We can't make a mistake this year. We do need an RT to at least provide competition.
I’m not sold on Jerry.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I really liked what I saw from him when he was filling in for Long and I think that will translate to RT
Jerry prob will not be a All-Pro, but I think he will be an above average RT. So, I wouldnt give him the job, but I wouldnt spend a lot of money or a high pick to compete with him. A bargain FA or a guy like Murtha for competition is enough IMO. I would rather fix other positions with the FA money/draft picks.
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
Now remember I didn't use a high draft pick on a RT.
And remember we need pass blockers and guys that are athletic. I guess we’ll agree to disagree!
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
sounds good, but just to clarify. I wasnt saying that I wouldnt spend a high pick on RT in reference to you. It was more directed at the ppl who think we should use the #8 pick on one...
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"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
Jerry is athletic...
he just isn’t an inside player… Sparano screwed up by drafting a RT and moving him inside to RG… the guy is better in space than he is at playing in a phone booth… I said last year after the 1st or 2nd game that they needed to move Carey inside to RG and Jerry to RT and everyone though I was insane… We moved Carey to RG and he has been ok … and Jerry was really solid as a LT… it is safe to assume he could do as good at RT…. give him a little bit of practice there… we could already have the solution on our team.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 31, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Stastically speaking...
Jerry was about as effective of a LT as Colombo was as a RT. They had very similar stats. Not impressed… he did much better at RG than LT.
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Huh?
Not sure what statistics you are talking about, but you do realize he played LT for 2 games and did darn good…. I am not sure how many sacks he gave up, but I am sure it is less than Columbo gave up in the same period… I would bet money on it… If I had any that is…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 31, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'll post the comparisons one more time...
In 1,038 snaps at RT, Colombo allowed the following: 9 sacks, 9 QB hits, 35 QB pressures. His rating in run blocking was -11.3 based on PFF. He also committed 3 penalties.
In 177 snaps at LT, Jerry allowed the following: 1 sack, 2 QB hits, and 8 QB pressures. His run blocking was around -1.4 according to PFF. He also committed 2 penalties at LT. Again, those are numbers for Jerry only as LT, not for RG as well. He rated much better at RG.
If you took those numbers of Jerry’s and looked at what it would be like over the course of an entire season (let’s go with 1,038 snaps to equal Colombo’s snaps), then his numbers would look like this: 6 sacks allowed, 12 QB hits, and 47 QB pressures. He also would’ve committed 12 penalties. While Jerry would’ve surrendered 3 less sacks than Colombo, he would surpass him in every other category except for his run protection rating. While that would still be in the negatives, it would rate higher than Colombo.
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That kinda proves my point that I don't think Jerry is athletic enough to play in Sparano's offence, let alone Philbin's.
We’re going to be playing as a high-powered offence. That means we need athletic offensive lineman. Mike Adams and Zebri Saunders could be gone by the time we pick in the second, and I think Osemele is more suited inside. So the third round, you got Mosley, or possibly Datko. Datko is a huge red flat for me though. Matt Reynolds can be had in the 4th, but is he athletic enough? You got Potter in the 3rd, but no one knows if he’s a guard or tackle right now. That doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence.
Jerry could work out at RG I think
As for Potter, I see him as an OT only, but probably on the right side for most teams. He and Datko are both 3rd round prospect IMO and I wouldn’t mind either, but I flip on who I prefer. I lean a little towards Datko at the moment. Don’t forget that you could also get Adcock in the 3rd too.
As for Osemele, he is 100% a guard prospect because he’s just a mauler on the inside, but is just an average prospect at OT.
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Yeah...Potter sometimes lets Defensive Ends bull rush him. He has some of the problems Nate Solder had when he came into the NFL.
But once you correct his technique, I wouldn’t mind the pick. He’s just a bit raw, much like Mosley. But both guys have the athleticism to play in this offence.
Datko needs huge evaluation by our medical team. We need to interview the guy and just look at that shoulder. He played through the pain the season before last, and didn’t get it properly fixed for the past season. This is why his shoulder pulled up 4 games into the season. It could be that his shoulder will be completely healed by this offseason.
Having said that, if he gets injured again, who will we have at RT? We could find ourselves in a similar position to last year. I would much rather someone who is less injury prone.
Datko is all up to the medical staff
You can bet he will be screened heavily for his shoulder by team doctors at the Combine. If we did select him though, I would be fine with going into 2012 with Datko and Murtha at RT with Jerry as an emergency option, assuming he’s not starting at RG.
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Could be worth the risk with a 3rd round pick.
He was better than Zebri Saunders, and look where he’s going. High risk, high reward prospect.
by BahamaDolfan on Feb 1, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
And if u mean not exciting as in no RG3, then you're right. This is a realistic post. But we gt some great players with this draft.
It’s about building a team. Not building a tem full of divas (see Coples).
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
yea...
the reason I cant get excited for it is because it doesnt solidify the QB position for the future. I dont think Manning will ever play again and if he does, I dont think it will be in MIA, and I am strongly against signing Flynn. I really like drafting RGIII, i know it will take a lot, but I would strongly consider it.
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"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
Washington and Cleveland are in a better position. If Rams drop to 9th, they may miss out on their franchise LT and Blackmon.
Like I said, this post is based on what I’ve heard. It’s a doable draft and one I believe can work.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
instead of baker maybe james from oregon
James could be the next Sproles IMO. I live in Oregon so i see a lot of this guy. He actually runs with the attitude of a power running back. He uses his speed after he gets away from the defender. And i do like cliff harris. Maybe jimmy Wilson can push Sean Smith out of the starting spot and Harris can be the nickle back while Smith moves to safety. Fixes 2-3 spots with one pick. Not to mention he is deadly returning kicks and punts. Im an Oregon State fan but i loved it when this guy touched the ball. Always entertaining.
by west coast phinfan on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM EST reply actions
LaMichael James will most likely be gone in the 2nd-3rd round range.
With Bush and the 2nd rounder we spend on Thomas last draft, I cant justify spending another high pick on RB.
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"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
I wouldn't mind this but it isn't exciting.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"
It would leave us with enough cap space to get Reggie Nelson and possibly even Manningham or Meachem.
Look at the game tap of some of these guys. I can’t help but be impressed.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Dont the Saints get one of our picks this year?
Or is that next year?
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
They swapped 6 rounders with us. So we have a late 6 rounder.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
wow is that all we gave up for...
Reggie Bush? That takes the sting away from us not signing Brees when we had the chance… Just a little bit now doesnt it lol
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
They got Amaya too. No biggy. Great deal.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 31, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
After the season Bush had...
Giving up Amaya, and an earlier 6th and receiving a later 6th rounder for… is nothing.
Bush has shown great leadership skills, and accountability.. what a steal
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
Seems like quite a hell of a deal pulled off by Ireland but I am sure he will get little credit for it.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ireland… seems to be making some really good moves as of late. It comes with the territory, with great power comes great responsibility. There will be plenty of people who like him, and many who wont. But yes, that deal was definitely one of his best
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
I just get tired of all the negativity towards him and those same people always gloss over the fact that
he has had exactly one off season with his hands untied to do as he wishes and with that he made some pretty damn good moves. Now this off season he has already had a hand in bringing in a new and from what I can tell from the fan base an exciting new coaching staff. So far I think the guy is doing quite well on his own.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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Yeah its always nice to have free reign to do what you want… The Yankees never had their hands tied in MLB, and look at them.. they may not win every year but they still are exciting to watch and the marketability of that team is amazing… its nice to see that Ross has finally given Ireland some money and wiggle room… You can see whats happening now that he has too.. the fans are starting to get excited about the team, and I dont see as much negative publicity for either Ross or Ireland like I did before Philbin was hired, and he announced a QB was his top priority. Looking good to me
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
Well the Yankees also benefit from being the top team in the top media market and having a
storied history spanning a century.
I much prefer the NFL model where every franchise has a legit chance to compete. That does not exist in MLB.
its nice to see that Ross has finally given Ireland some money
Ross has been willing to spend the money from day one. In the end Ireland is somewhat restricted only by the NFL’s self imposed hard salary cap.
I agree that it seems that some of the negativity has died down. I guess I just worry that if we do not start off winning or winning big that the same things will crop up with some fans not understanding that this is a process. Chances are with a new HC and QB and who knows what else that we do not even get to the playoffs this season. If I seen a marked improvement then I will be happy. If we manage to sneak in the playoffs then all the more happy as once your in anything can happen.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have no doubt...
That if the team doesnt start off winning… there will probably be some backlash cause thats just what fans and people do when they dont see there team with a legitmate shot at winning.. And with all these new changes and with Ross’ belief that he wants to develop a championship caliber team now… it could cause some backlash towards the regime.. BUT, I think the team will be better next year either way, so the fans will come around once they see the improvements.. I saw alot of improvements this year alone.. I look forward to seeing what Philbin does this offseason.
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
We forget Ireland was 37 when he came in, and is only 41 now.
I think he’s learned from his past mistakes and is really growing into the role now. We did have a real decent draft last year. The only hiccup was in FA when we signed Colombo. His hands we tied on the QB situation. But I got a feeling Ross wanted Sparano to fail in the end so he could get his own guy.
I think the fans need to see a QB firsrt round
There has been a lot of skepticism built up about the Phins and QB’s and IMO we need to pull the trigger first round as much for the fans as we do for the team.
And if there is none available, what? TakeTannahill or Weeden first round?
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
Damn, cut me off. Just to say you took a QB in the first round?
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
I always take life with a grain of salt, plus a slice of lime, and a shot of tequila.
Weeden will slide but would be a gem in the second or third round.
I for one would grab him if all other options are gone. I know everyone makes his age an issue but I will gladly take a good starter for the next 6-8 years.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
how old was Chris Weinke when he came out?
He was a bit older when he was drafted as well, and became a decent backup if i can remember correctly. Is Weeden simular? or better?
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
All I know is that all the so called experts claim that if Weeden was the usual 22/23 then he would be a first round pick.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Weinke was 29, so a year older
Weeden’s game translates a bit better to the NFL than Weinke’s did. Still have to figure ≈ 2 year learning curve puts him at 30 before he’s ready to truly lead a team. But seeing QBs still in the league in their late 30s is fairly common nowadays so it could pay off for someone.
by BobLoblaw113 on Feb 5, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Just checked they are both very simular players.. both played baseball, both 28 when they entered the draft.. the only difference is Weinke was a Heisman winner and was in Triple A when he left baseball to concentrate on football. Weeden played in the Yankees, Dodgers, and Royals organizations. Weinke played for the Bluejays. Interesting comparison though.
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
I think Weeden is a better prospect at the next level though.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Weinke was servicable when he played..
As the backup for Delhomme, a few years ago.. I hope Weeden is better, especially if we do take him… 28 is pretty old for a rookie, but maybe if we can get him in a later round.. it will be worth the pick
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
Thats my thought. I hope we have someone before it comes to that but he is not the worst idea as a
back up plan.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
i hear ya Tex.. and if we do nab him in the draft.. lets hope we can get a good servicable 5-6 years out of him
"Performance comes from work and dedication, belief and strength. Words and excuses get you nowhere." -Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves Rightfielder
I think we could.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 31, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Richardson is still on the board @ 8-9
I think we can make the trade with Cincinatti. Not sure about trade values so for those out there who know a little more about that please tell me if this sounds realistic.
Trade scenrio:
Miami gets the 17th and 21st pick and a player
Cincinatti gets our 8/9 pick and 137th pick in 2012 draft.
With our picks we can possibly select Mike Adams at 17 and Dwayne Allen at 21 and with our 2 round pick take Vince Curry. With those three picks the Dolphins just filled some major needs at RT, TE, DE. The player I would like to see the Dolphins snag is Domata Peko DT, he’s Soliai double (only he’s 20 lbs lighter but one year younger) not as good but he can fill the gap and is an excellent run stopper plus he would come a hell lot cheaper.
http://www.nfl.com/player/domatapeko/2506925/profile
Thoughts?
by kermit the frogger29 on Jan 31, 2012 7:51 PM EST reply actions
I'm not sure the Bengals would want to do that.
I can really see Cleveland moving up though. Imagine if they get Blackmon/Griffin with their 1st pick. Then imagine if they traded us their 23rd pick and 5th pick of the 2nd round. Imagine if Richardson fell to our 8/9th. In that scenario I can really see them moving up to grab two top 10 picks. It would improve their offence dramatically.
If the fins miss out on that elusive qb in the 1st and we trade down as you stated
I would be okay with every pick you made except I’ll try getting Dwight Jones with 1 of those round 2 picks to go with BM. And then nab a RT/OLB/DE, although Nicks or Grubbs could be our answer for RT during the FA period.
Get the best man to clear every hurdle that stand in the Dolphins way, go RG3.
RG3, the new Transformer of the future.
"Which one do you defend against?" x2
Both. There are 11 people on the field.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
'Phins phor Liphe!
But it'll be alot tougher defending against two quality pass rushers.
In the 3-4 this year, our opposition only really had Wake to worry about, with some extent to Jason Taylor two. But put two aggressive pass rushers in there, and Wake’s numbers will go up. A pass-rushing DE is a must, and I really hope we go get one. It’ll be exciting to watch.
Jason Taylor had a very solid year.
Do you honestly think this late 2nd round prospect is going to perform at Taylor’s level last year?
More like, we have a 4-3 defense and they have to choose to double up on Wake, Starks, Odrick/McDaniel and whoever else slides in at the other end. THAT improves our pass-rush, not some late 2nd rounder.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
'Phins phor Liphe!
Have you not seen Vinny Curry play? I think he is quality.
Jason Taylor has slowed down a bit with age. Yes, he was still very effective. But I feel like Vinny Curry will be an upgrade, and will be someone who can help shore up that position for a few years. Wake is our pure pass rusher. Vinny Curry is an ideal guy to start opposite him. He’s very powerful. Very intellegient. No injury worries. No character concerns. He can get to the QB. I just really like him as a prospect in the 2nd round.
Alternatively we could go for someone like Mercilius in the 1st, who I like very much. But the point of this post was to really get the offence going this year, while making a few solid additions on defence. If we go the free agency route for QB, their job will be made a lot easier if we make key additions to the offensive line and give him a really good TE. Allen is a beast.
And, by filling most of our holes in the draft, there is still the possibility we can get one more FA. That FS that Coyle knows well would be nice.
by BahamaDolfan on Feb 1, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Taylor had 7 sacks last year.
If Vinny Curry was an “upgrade”, he would go in the first round. Plain and simple.
Switching to a 4-3 to actually utilize the best attributes of our personnel (I don’t know why we switched to a 3-4 and then forced 4-3 players into it… typical Parcells bullshit) is the best way to increase our pass-rush. And it will, but to claim your 2nd round guy is going to get 7 sacks in his rookie season is pretty absurd IMO.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
'Phins phor Liphe!
May not this season, but could do in the future.
Remind me what round Jason Taylor went in again?
3rd round. 79th pick. Wait a minute, he was a 3rd round pick…
You can’t expect to solve all problem in one draft and free agency. As I said, we got to focus on the offensive side of the ball. We need to make sure our QB is protected. We need to give him an athletic TE. Give him the tools to be successful. Then sign some good players on defence. Not elite players, but good players. We gotta be smart this offseason.
by BahamaDolfan on Feb 1, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
And you also said the same thing for Bush and a rookie runningback.
Since when does a defense only choose one running back to defend against? It’s not a valid argument IMO
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
'Phins phor Liphe!
You're missing the point.
You got Marshall at WR. We got Bess at WR (who could be very good this year in a west coast offence). We got Gates/Hartline at WR (hope Gates makes the step up this year). You got Allen at TE. You got Bush at RB. What if you added in another RB in there. Who’s the QB going to throw to? It gives him so many options. Granted, we won’t line up like that in every play. But we can some plays. Philbin will be creative. It’s tough to defend against when you have so many weapons.
by BahamaDolfan on Feb 1, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
If you added another runningback in there,
you have only 4 offensive linemen.
More of Moore in 2012!
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Whatever man. Lose the FB, go 2 WR set. My point is the more weapons we have, the more successful we will be.
We gotta be creative. Gotta create mismatches. Gotta be unpredictable.
by BahamaDolfan on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I do see where you're going with this and there is a lot of truth to it
NE is effective with attacking over the middle with Gronk, Welker, and Hernandez. Their outside game has been limited with Ochocinco and Branch. That offense could be obscene if they had some more talent out wide to prevent teams from trying to stuff the middle of the field with safeties. If they had a true outside threat that can force the safeties to either respect the deep side line or force a one-on-one matchup with CBs, they could be incredible.
Green Bay does a very good job because their WRs, including their #3 and #4 options and TE leave them capable of attacking the middle, but they have threats on the outside. New Orleans has similar threats with Graham and depth at WR.
Miami isn’t that far off from trying to create a similar style as we have one legitimate weapon on the outside with Marshall and a weapon in the middle with Bess. We also have Bush who is a weapon in the short passing game and is a nightmare for RBs. Fasano is ok, but isn’t that same threat in the middle. If we did upgrade to more of a passing TE and found a solid WR to be a threat on the outside, we’d have a ton of threats that make it very difficult to stop the offense.
With all that being said, it is all going to start with the one guy I didn’t mention and that is the QB. We get a solid enough of a QB and our offense can be dangerous as is with Marshall, Bess, Fasano, and Bush. Or we can go and upgrade our TE and #2 WR, but our offense will still be limited if we can’t find that QB.
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I agree
I mean if Philbin is adament Flynn is the guy then the best we can do is provide him with the best opportunity to succeed. Manning said today that things are progressing well despite reports. He’s been throwing to his teamates the past couple of days.
If we don’t get these two, then we need to focus on griffin or weeden, or someone in the draft. Griffin would take a lot. But in this event, maybe TE Carlson wouldn’t be a bad option in FA.
But I just really like Allen. He’s definately one I really want us to go for, providing the situation is the right one.
by BahamaDolfan on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
He already knows the system (big jump start to winning just what the doctor order err owner Ross orderd!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not big on Carlson.
If you’re looking for a vertical threat from a TE as well, he’s not your man. I’d rather look elsewhere or go with Fasano/Clay.
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This is a much better way of stating it.
I actually really want Dwayne Allen. I’d prefer if we drafted that pass rusher or RT first and then traded up to get him though.
More of Moore in 2012!
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What if RG3, fell to #4 clev& they were looking for a trade down!
The amount of picks may be different no!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I meant when I was doing my mock.
Draft heavily on offence!
Don't bring logic into this!
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Philbin brings J.Finley in from GB!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions
He's slated to be, but it's likely he'll receive the franchise tag if he's not signed.
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Well cum March!
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by wild zion beaver on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions

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