Hoopty Doo...

by Brantner78 on Jan 27, 2012 10:04 PM EST

I'm going to tell you a quick story about a friend of mine. And not a "friend" as in I'm really talking about myself. Like when you ask your doctor for Viagra "for my friend." No, I had an actual flesh-and-blood friend. Now this friend had an obsession with BMW's. Not because of a fetish for German engineering, though. No, he coveted a BMW simply because he thought it would get him, well, laid. Not an altogether ridiculous thought. I mean, I certainly have seen my fair share of 10's pass the Italian test from the passenger seat of a new 5 series. So anyway, once we got out of high school, my friend did, in fact, purchase his first Beemer. The problem? It was 15 years old, had 170 thousand miles, and more than a few cigarette burns tarnishing the faded leather interior. And he over payed for it, to boot. Bottom line? It was not exactly the leg-opener he had hoped for.

Here's where this is going: I kinda feel the same way about acquiring Peyton Manning at this point in his career. I feel that we have been so obsessed with having a franchise QB on the roster that we are about to overpay for what once was the finest automobile in the world, and possibly history, in order to paint a picture of a championship caliber team. The way my friend tried to paint a picture of status and wealth. However, like my friend, it would all be hollow. And in the likely possibility that it would not turn out as we would all hope, it would further grind us into the muck of mediocrity for at least another five years.

Now for the record, I am a huge Peyton Manning fan (Who isn't?). He has played the game for the last 14 years with not only an almost unprecedented excellence on the field, but also a class and maturity off the field that has become stunningly rare in today's game. But selfishly, I want a QB that is "ours". And even in a best case scenario, Peyton could never be ours. He will forever be a Colt, regardless of how the next few months play out. It's like when a buddy is dating the hottest girl in school. Sure, you can admire her from afar, and even after they break up you may be able to knock it down on the rebound, but the sloppy seconds angle would tarnish the experience, wouldn't it?

Conversely, I do not feel the same way about Matt Flynn, for obvious reasons. His legacy, for better or worse,is yet to be written, unlike Mannings. The same way Favre is remembered as a Packer, and never a Falcon.

I respect those that want Manning. I can certainly see the draw. I just think it's well past time we bought ourselves a luxury car, and one that is fresh off the assembly line.

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He has played for the last 13 years straight ... starting every single game...

Last year he was out … the same team he took to a 10-6 record the year before went 2-14 without him. I would be ok with giving him a shot… just saying… He doesn’t throw with his neck, and he doesn’t think with it either… if it was brain damage or a Chad Pennington arm… then I would worry… but if he comes back and is cleared.. .he is still that same QB .. you gotta give him a shot…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 27, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions

While he doesn't throw or think with his neck

his neck injury has caused nerve damage to his throwing arm and that is reason to worry.If cleared you have to at least look though.

by haildanhenningnow on Jan 27, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions

Possible ... but is he a franchise QB because of his big arm?

Or is his biggest asset his big brain? OK… I finally looked into this in a little more depth…

Read about Peyton Manning’s injury

Read more about Peyton Manning’s injury

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 28, 2012 6:48 AM EST up reply actions

Jason your not getting it

The nerves in his neck are the connection from his brain to his arm. He might as well have had a brain injury. Although a brain injury would likely yield spasticity instead of flaccidity, the end result is similar, a loss of ability.

If he were to sever the nerves instead of compress them he’d never move several muscles in his arm again, no matter what his brain was thinking. The level of the problem yields the precise muscles involved.

Few people in wheel chairs are there because of brain injuries. Most are there because of nerve injuries to their spinal cord. In this case it’s the spinal cord in the cervical (neck) region.

"Manning has had three surgeries on his neck in the last 19 months, little detail was available, but the information indicates that the procedure may have used adipose (fat) derived adult stem cells from Manning’s own body; this autologous procedure (using your own adult stem cells) bypasses any problems of transplant rejection and is relatively safe. Manning’s adult stem cells may have then been injected around the site of his problem vertebra in the neck, to assist healing and help with spinal disc fusion."
http://engagefamilyminute.com/2011/09/

This is bad, indicating a sever problem and multiple failed surgeries.

by JImbo111 on Jan 28, 2012 7:51 AM EST up reply actions

I have broken my L3, L4, and L5 vertebrae...

The human body has an amazing ability to regenerate itself. Granted that is lower back, but from what I am reading it is a bulging disc, which is pretty common actually, and the article even mentions that. Do not act like this is the first person it has ever happened to. I believe his career might be over… no one can know if he will be cleared to play again. But you can’t say that he will never be the player he once was… there is a good shot that you are wrong.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 28, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions

As you might note

I am sorry to hear of your injury, but glad you had a good outcome, or so I would infer from your post.

This is far more than a “bulging disc.” I treat “bulging discs” every day. This is a problem so serious it took 3 surgeries to bring a resolution, and we don’t know what the final out come is. These surgeries were required because he was experiencing weakness in his throwing arm.

I can’t be “wrong” because I have not stated what you indicate, I have not said he will never be the same player. I have consistently said we don’t know, he doesn’t know… and it won’t be until he plays a couple of games that even he will know the final outcome. That is the risk part of his acquisition we have been discussing.

Have you located the article that states “cleared to play” is the same as 90%, I would like to read the part that says he will be as good as he was.

by JImbo111 on Jan 28, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I think Peyton's biggest asset is his head...

I think he could perform at a high level even if his arm isn’t 100%. I don’t think it will affect his accuracy, just the ability to throw the long ball. Just because he has had 3 surgeries doesn’t mean that he is as bad as most patients in that same situation. He is in a job that requires him to play at a higher level, and they want to make sure they get it right.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 29, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions

get it right

Every time you do a surgery you create scar tissue which is not as strong, does not function as well as the original tissue. Surgeons are loath to do repeat surgeries as each caries a risk of death or permanent dysfunction. Having recently died on the operating table during a relatively minor procedure I can attest, and I am quite happy they were able to bring me back. Not all are so lucky or blessed.

You can make this any way you want in your head, but it is not necessarily reality. Reality is, no one, even Manning knows how he will play in a real game yet, and so, picking him up is not with out significant risk.

by JImbo111 on Jan 29, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

This injury is potentially most serious than a "Chad Pennington arm."

And more difficult to correct as demonstrated by 3 surgeries in 19 months.

by JImbo111 on Jan 28, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions

Yes..he could've very well played his last game

and that would suck for all FB fans imo.

by haildanhenningnow on Jan 28, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions

Yep, or worse, last game as we remember him...

by JImbo111 on Jan 28, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions

Wait .....you have friends

by Phinsphana on Jan 27, 2012 10:47 PM EST reply actions

this is my feeling on Manning

To a t. He is a great QB and a good guy, but I don’t want 2 years. I don’t want just another stopgap at the QB position even if that guy could take us to the superbowl. I want this team to take a chance on getting their guy that can possibly get them back to dominence for the next decade. And for those who want to get manning and a young guy to develop, take a look at their QB situation at the moment, the play they are getting out of that position tell me that Manning is not the kind of QB to groom a guy under. In all reality this path would lead us to one maybe two good years then we would find ourselves in the same qbless rutt we are in now. Its past time to break the norm, its time we take a chance.

by AcolyteofRa on Jan 27, 2012 11:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions

And this is a good point considering a Manning/Flynn combo

If we go after manning, he is obviously going to be “the guy” for the next few years or until he decides to put the helmet up. I dont think going after Flynn at that point would be a good idea and even flynn might not go for it, being as he has already been “grooming” under Rodgers and is ready to take that next step himself. There has just been alot of speculation as to us getting multiple QBs to bolster the roster and we all know the slough of names that get tossed around. Now this might work well with RG3 or with Tannehill or someone fresh into the mix that would love to be tutored by a legend, but if Manning does hop on board dont expect to see flynn, and likewise. Now of course if Flynn does come on board I really do hope we still draft a stud this year, regardless. We need our future secure.

by AKdolphan on Jan 28, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions

100% agreement here, good post AK

No more retreads!!!

by JImbo111 on Jan 28, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions

This is the 1st time I saw anyone considering a Manning/Flynn combo

This has never crossed my mind. Signing both would take up to much cap space for 1 position. Moore as a backup to either would be more feasible.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 28, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions

What did Favre do for AR?

Absolutely nothing and even refused to help him saying he wouldn’t help his replacement.The WCS and it’s many variations have and always will dominate the game as it’s very QB friendly and a plug-n-play system and Tom Moore leaving Indy cannot be overstated.System’s can even make the Orton’s,Cassel’s,Kolb’s and every QB Joe Gibbs had during his first tenure look above average.

A successful one or two-year stop gap is all that’s needed for a young guy to learn the timing and chemistry of a ‘good’ system,the transition from stop-gap to long term young starter would be basically seamless.

by haildanhenningnow on Jan 28, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions

You are right on the money my friend.

Good post.

by Whippets2 on Jan 28, 2012 2:44 AM EST reply actions

Think you are right on the money Brantner

AcolyteofRa well said.

by JImbo111 on Jan 28, 2012 8:07 AM EST reply actions

Don't agree

This is not even close. All I’ve been reading from almost everyone on this site is how they long for a stud QB, about how we’ve gone through 453 quarterbacks since Marino retired. About how we keep taking 2nd rate QB’s in the draft or via trade or free agency, going the cheap route (Henne, Beck, Feeley, Culpepper, etc.)

Sloppy seconds would define Daunte Culpepper. Culpepper was only a good quarterback for a short period of time. He was coming off of an injury, just like Manning. But that’s where the comparison ends. Manning as you state in your post is an all-time great. Maybe the best QB ever, maybe not, but certainly in the discussion. Manning isn’t sloppy seconds. This isn’t Joe Namath going to the Rams or Johnny Unitas going to the Chargers.

Would it make us feel better if we went another Dan Marino route? Sure - front office has the brains and smarts to pick out the next all-time great QB - it grooms our egos, makes us feel good about ourselves, our owner, our front office. But there is a bigger chance of failure in my opinion of going that route. Not saying it isn’t possible (it happens — see Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc. — guys that were drafted and developed into franchise QB’s with the same team that drafted them) but I say it doesn’t matter how you get your franchise QB. I’d rather go with the proven commodity over the more speculative route any day. It’ll cost a little more, but we’ve all seen Manning excel on a team that has sacrificed some talent in certain positions due to having to pay him more than the average QB.

If healthy, and that’s a huge if, Manning has at least 3 years and possibly as many as 5 years left in him. Will those 5 years be as good as his last 10? Possibly, but even if they are a rung down on the ladder from where he has been, his play will still be at a level that the Dolphins haven’t possessed since Marino was in his prime.

Again, I stress that we would need to see a clean bill of health, having the Fins medical staff do whatever necessary to check his health out and be 99% comfortable before we’d even talk contract. If that’s a green light, then I say pursue him. He will make whatever team he ends up with much better and playoff participants for the next 3-5 years. Isn’t that what we all want?

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by rintintinsoldier on Jan 28, 2012 8:38 AM EST reply actions

And btw, enjoy your posts always -- funny and well written.

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by rintintinsoldier on Jan 28, 2012 8:38 AM EST reply actions

for the past 8-9 year manning has had only upside; now he has a huge downside. if he is willing to move somewhere

else with a contract that accurately reflects his downside, then maybe it is worth the chance. but otherwise let some other team that isn’t rebuilding worry, fret, and be possibly destabiized if manning can’t perform or is subpar.

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by a1a on Jan 28, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions

I HATE "stop gap" qbs

but if we had to have one, Peyton freakin Manning would be my choice.
Sign him to a non guaranteed contract and lets see what happens. worse case we end up havin to start Moore or a rookie. best case a DEEP playoff run.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 28, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions

I like "deep"

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by Alpha6 on Jan 29, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions

I look at it differently.

IF Manning is cleared to play we should bring him in. Manning has 3-5 years and would make us superbowl contenders for the next 3-5 years. In 3-5 years we can develop a QB like Tannehill. If Manning gets hurt we have a quality backup in Matt Moore.

However, IF Philbin seriously thinks Flynn can be a franchise qb then I would take Flynn over Manning. The only person who can make this call is Philbin.

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Griffin-will be a giant investment regrading draft picks.

So where does that leave us if Philbin doesn’t think Flynn has it? I think the answer is Manning with a developmental QB. I don’t care if he’s a colt for life. All I care about is the opportunity to have a superbowl team.

Draft a first round QB and then build around him.
Please do not insult other phin fans if you disagree with them.

by 54 on Jan 28, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions

This 100%

I wish there was some way for us to pry the number one pick away from the Colts so we could take Luck, but that will never happen and I doubt RGIII will be ready right away so he isn’t worth trading all our picks for. The best thing to do is to get either Manning if he’s healthy or Flynn if Philbin thinks he’s a franchise QB and then either get Tannehill to develop in the second round or get a first round QB next year like Landry Jones in what will truly be a year of the quarterback draft.

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by SergeHimself on Jan 28, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

Great analogy and I'll check out the link

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by finzrule on Jan 28, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions

Hey, onearrogantsob!

Don’t you mean, “whoopty doo?”

Lemme see your ride!

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by Tunaflipper on Jan 28, 2012 7:10 PM EST reply actions

Is it whoopty?

I thought it was hoopty. I’m so white and lame…

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by Brantner78 on Jan 28, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions

lol... it's whoopty...

by Alpha6 on Jan 29, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions

Nice Read Branter , and Rec'd on a side note I am your friend!!

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by 21Dave on Jan 28, 2012 7:34 PM EST reply actions

a friend friend or just a friend?

by Alpha6 on Jan 29, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions

Just a friend Perv !!! you can have all the extra glory !!

by 21Dave on Jan 30, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions

I think Peyton would instantly make us a great team, but for how long? I dont know if the risk reward would pay of in the long run. Plus at his price and in 4or5 years we are starting over again or less due to his neck.

by 21Dave on Jan 28, 2012 7:39 PM EST reply actions

Time for the Fins to groom their own QB while Philbin and Sherman has the reigns

No matter if Manning is cleared to play, he can’t guarantee you a full season on the field. I think Moore has earned the right to be starter going into the 12 season and only RG3 or Luck makes sense right now. Moore is our stopgap QB at the moment and has done his job admirably. You can also argue the fact that Moore is more proven than Flynn. This is IMO, the year we trade up and secure 1 of the big 2 to be groomed by our current staff to succeed with the young corp we presently have in Miami. Can’t trade up, grab an OL, safety, and DE/OLB in FA(3 needs for the cost of Flynn-Manning) and grab skilled players via draft(Coples,Dwayne Allen, Dwight Jones,Fleener, etc). BTW, Rec’d Brantner and agree on Manning.

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by fin4three5yrs on Jan 28, 2012 7:40 PM EST reply actions

Sounds crazy, but it might work.

Worst case scenario, we end up with the first pick in next year’s draft and a built team to compete, just needing a qb. I don’t see us making the playoffs next year, but I’d be happy of that happens. It’s more of a semirebuild.

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