2012 Senior Bowl: Draft Stock Report for Days 2-3
If day one of the 2012 Senior Bowl was about weigh-ins and introductory practices for both the North and South squads, days two and three were about the match-ups in one-on-one drills. A handful of players have dominated practices thus far this week, while a few others have done much to snuff their draft stock. First, let's check out the players who have turned heads in Mobile, Ala., this week.
Stock rising ...Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
Big surprise, right? Coples might've been on cruise control for the majority of his senior season at North Carolina, but he has absolutely made up for that by burying his match-ups the last two days. Everyone knows Coples is an excellent run defender, but he has really shown off his skills as a pass-rusher this week. It's safe at this point to call Coples a fierce defensive end prospect with mountain-like upside.
Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB South Carolina
Ingram's weigh-in on Monday wasn't anything to write home about, but he's been a terror in practice all week long. A certified tweener, Ingram will likely be considered one of the premier edge-rushing linebackers in this draft, but he's also a fascinating defensive end prospect. Honestly, he'll probably become a force at either position.
Kirk Cousins, QB Michigan State
Cousins is a quarterback prospect who has plenty of leadership and brains, but boasts only adequate measurables (though I do think he has impressive arm strength). Nevertheless, you wont see many teams this year thumbing their nose at brains-over-brawn quarterbacks in the draft (mainly due to the insane success Andy Dalton had in 2011), which means a player like Cousins can easily move into the second-round consideration this spring if he has some strong pre-draft practices. He's off to a good start this week.
Stock falling ...
Jeff Fuller, WR Texas A&M
It's hard to believe Jeff Fuller was actually considered a first-round prospect at one point. Fuller has absolutely murdered his draft stock by looking sluggish and disinterested during practices this week. He's also fighting the ball right now and has been completely unable to get separation from defensive backs.
Chris Polk, RB Washington
I thought Chris Polk looked fantastic during Washington's bowl game against Baylor in late December, but he has looked miserable in practices this week. Polk isn't in the upper echelon for running backs (Trent Richardson, Lamar Miller, David Wilson, etc.) in this draft class, but he certainly looked like a potential second-round pick last season. At this point, however, Polk looks like a mid-round prospect with marginal upside. Hopefully he turns things around while in Mobile and shows everyone the athleticism and play-making ability he put on display against Baylor last month.
Michael Brewster, C Ohio State
Good grief, what happened to this guy? Brewster looked like a franchise-caliber center throughout his junior season in Columbus, but he took a few giant steps back in 2011. Brewster's technique in pass pro looks flat and uninspired right now, and he's getting pushed around by defenders of all shapes and sizes. In a draft class boasting a weak selection of centers, Brewster could do himself a huge favor by getting himself together and locking down his match-ups the rest of this week. Brewster is a talented prospect who just isn't playing his best right now.
I'll be back later today with my first all-Dolphins mock draft.
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I see Ingram at 8 or 9
maybe even Coples. I hope we can get either one of them.
Cousins would be great in the 2nd round.
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I would love to see us take Ingram at 8 or 9...
Assuming we don’t jump up and take RG3 ,,,, If we can get Manning in here we can go for a guy like Tannehill in the 2nd round and let him learn behind the best for a couple of years, provided he has the arm and brains to learn.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 26, 2012 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
What's his arm brand... "Made in China"?
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by Alpha6 on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not quite...
It has the phrase “My mother is a prostitute” sewn into it.
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No it is a hot iron brand on his arms
You can see one in the picture at the top of the post, it really creeps me out. Seriously it freaks me out
And you don't want him because of that?
Buffalo, NYJ, and NE probably don’t want him in Miami. That makes me want him in Miami.
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Well you can listen to the radio lol
I’ll be hoping we land Coples and watch the devastation!
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Ingram has dominated physically at that level because of his speed and explosiveness...
On the other hand a guy like Courtney Upshaw is a product of a really good defensive scheme. He isn’t even on the same level as Ingram though. If Upshaw does go in the first round it will be a bad pick for any team. I hope the Patriots use a pick on him….
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
If we could get him ni the 2nd round or later that would be a good pickup...
But picking him in the first round is a bad idea. In the 2nd and 3rd round you are looking for solid starters. In the later round you want solid roleplayers or developmental guys with a lot of upside or possibly small school guys with big school talent that other teams may have missed. But in the first round you want a guy that can change the game. You want a guy that will make other teams have to alter their gameplan. Upshaw would be a 2nd or 3rd rounder. He has no glaring holes in his game, but he is not a gamebreaker. Ingram is a freak. A D-lineman that also plays on the hands team is pretty rare. Add to that his running ability… this guy is a freak. Big guys are pretty common…. but big guys that can move are more difficult to find. We need a guy like Ingram no matter if we are playing the 4-3 or 3-4. We could run a hybrid 4-3/3-4 with him.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 26, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
Based on what I've seen on tape of Coples and Ingram
It’s kind of a toss-up, because I think Coples is the better player although he really isn’t suited for a 3-4, whereas Ingram could fit either defense but would be more natural in a 3-4 as a rush linebacker. I think if we keep the 3-4, we should go with Ingram….otherwise, Coples.
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You're right on Coples with the 3-4...
If we do go in the 4-3 though, he’d also be a solid option to move inside in nickel formations and play D. I just don’t think we’d need him to do that since we could still use Starks and Odrick there. A 4-3 front with Wake and Coples as DE with Starks, Odrick, and McDaniel as DTs would be great.
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That defensive line would be disgusting
Coples was also used on the interior during his time at North Carolina, so that kind of shows his versatility in the 4-3 scheme. We could create match-up nightmares with him on our defensive line.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
I see that line being very similar to NYG's DL...
They use a lot of their versatility to move players like Justin Tuck inside on passing downs. We don’t necessarily have to do that with Coples because of Starks and Odrick, but they could do a lot of different looks with that formation. They can even do some 5-2 looks and have someone like Wake drop back into zone or coverage.
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I actually watched film of Coples playing DT against Florida State
Let’s just say it was unimpressive…he got blown off the line on just about every running play. Fortunately, Florida State had a pretty good line at the time and the 43 DT isn’t his natural position anyway. I still think he’s a prototypical 43 DE, and possibly a nickel DT.
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And he worked out tremendously well for Buffalo. Upshaw is a great prospect. His technique is better than any other 3-4 OLB prospect I see in this draft. He just doesn’t have the explosiveness some of them do, but he’s an all-around solid 3-down OLB.
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Yeah, Upshaw is the total package at that position
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
Isn't if funny that everyone is declaring we're most certainly converting to a 4-3
When all Ireland said is that he wants to prepare for that possibility? I’m a fan of the move but it’s a prime example of how the media just runs loose on a “story”.
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So, the Dolphins 'aren't' getting a Quarterback in the first?
Speaking of the Vikings… remember that draft day when they were on the clock, and passed their alotted time? Every team behind them started shotguning their picks and the Vikings were dumb-founded until they finally woke up and submitted theirs. I think it was like three or four picks behind. What dumb-asses.
Oh… they pick third this year… lol
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