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Manning, Flynn, Moore, Griffin???



These are the 4 qb's that everyone on the board is talking about and will continue to talk about until we finally know for sure who 'The QB" will be and its set in stone. That being said I'm going to rank and write about these qb's and how I think each of them help us more or less than the other in my own personal opinion.

1.Peyton Manning, my first choice technically I should just have to write his name and you know the rest. Yes he will be 36 yes he is coming off a career threatening injury, yes will we have to give him a lot of money. If Manning is available he is the best QB on the market and will turn our team to instant super bowl contenders for the next 3 or 4 years maybe longer who knows and with the last 11 years of losing I'm all for it. Of course that is if he is cleared to play medically and he says he is healthy its a no brainer, Ross has the money and is his #1 choice as it is anyways. So you might ask what happens if he gets hurt or injured again well, thats why Matt Moore is a capable backup if that is the case. Yes its a risk but, I believe its a high risk high rewards that this franchise needs to take. The way QB's are coddled these days Manning can easily last up to 5 years, especially if we sign Nicks, and draft Rieff we will have the best O-Line in football, no one will touch Manning plus think about it him throwing to Marshall, Bess, Hartline, Gates, and Bush our offense would be amazing, we can draft a stud TE or hell he would prob make Fasano a pro bowler. So this is how I feel about the Manning situation I'm all systems go assuming he is medically cleared to play and everything we just cant pass this up especially when Eli wins his 2nd SB, you know big brother is going yo be on a mission to win at least 1 if not 2 more which he is very capable of doing. Remember our own Danny boy came back from his torn achilles at age 33 and didnt miss a beat.

2.Matt Flynn, my second choice if Manning doesn't check out medically or he decides to sign with another team other than the Dolphins which I think is a mistake because we all the pieces here and a new aggressive coach who will play to win rather not to lose and we end up losing anyways. Flynn is a bit of an enigma, he made the most of his only 2 starts throwing for 9 td's and around 900 something yards thats pretty impressive. Although many like to believe thats because of the talent he was surrounded with in Green Bay. Makes sense, Miami doesn't have the same offensive fire power the Pack do but I think its not that far from it. Our running game is much better than theirs and as far as their WR core goes we are right behind them, maybe more 1 or 2 impact players to be on par with them. I believe their O-line collectively as a unit is better than our as they excel better in pass and run blocking whereas our left side of the line is the only part that excels. Do I think think Flynn can be the guy here? I do believe he can only if the right pieces are around him which I think the Dolphins have enough now and will have more than enough in the very near future. One thing I don't like about Flynn is he will be 27 when the season starts its not that old but not that young, and you figure we can have Flynn for maybe what 5-7 prime years as opposed to Manning for 4-5 years, yes Flynn doesn't have the same wear and tear but before this season Manning never missed a game or suffered anything major. To me the idea of Manning for 4-5 years, with a rookie we draft this year or next as opposed to Flynn for about 5-7 years, it just makes more sense how do you pass on a QB of Manning's caliber one of the greatest ever if he wants to come to Miami. One thing I will say about Flynn is that with the addition of Philbin as the coach I believe it will ease the learning curve and he in my eyes is much better than Kolb.

3.Matt Moore, my third choice for our QB fix if we can't land Manning or Flynn is franchised or gets offered more money elsewhere then the best thing for the Dolphins to do is stick it out with Moore who once got acclimated to the team after being inserted into the lineup was 6-3. Not bad but, the problem with not bad is that is just what Moore will ever be is "not bad" I think he could lead us to a 10 win season and a playoff berth because of the talent we can surround him with but anything more than 1 playoff win might be pushing it. I'm ok with that for now until the Dolphins can find the right QB to plug into Philbin's new system. Moore played well enough to make me believe that we can stick with for the time being so we dont have pay a ransom note of draft picks for unproven players. Moore will never be that elite QB we all dream to have but he can keep our team respectable so we are not the laughing stock of the NFL again. So if Moore is the starter we obviously need to fix the right side of the line draft Riley Rieff and hopefuly we can snag Carl Nicks, draft a ball hawk saftey, a versatile TE, build up depth with our LB's, maybe draft a QB and the who knows how far Matt Moore could bring us I believe Moore is better than Delhomme, Dilfer, Rypien, Simms, Hostetler, Williams, McMahon, Johnson, Brady (Yes Brady's 1st fluke SB win and less than stellar play in those playoffs, tuck bullshit also) and these are just some of the lousy SB winning Qb's or ones that appeared in the SB. Just Sayin, you never know!!!

4.Robert Griffin 3, my no choice but, I only list him because this fan base is so desperate to see a QB here they will believe anything ESPN tells them or just because he was won the cursed Heisman Trophy Award. RG3 the Dolphins fan base seem to be obsessed with this guy the most of any of the other fans and thats from reading and talking to other people who like other teams. I think its because the Dolphins are the most desperate for a QB so they would be willing to take a goalie from the NHL who could thrown the ball decent if Kiper and McShay said he could be converted to QB. RG3 with all due respect is not the type of QB we need here in Miami, run first mentality QB's get you exactly 'ZERO" 00000 SUPER BOWLS WIN OUT OF 46. Of course people will make the argument that he passes more than he runs duhhh, his position is QB so he will always pass more than run but, that doesn't change his mentality of when plays break down your first though is to run not wait to see if their a WR who maybe broke a route and got open because he always has the idea of tucking the ball and running. Run first QB's have these highlight reels that make people go owe and ahh but look at history "THEY NEVER WIN,' who said it? "You play to win the game.' Run first mentality QB's can't ever flourish the same way your classic drop back QB's do because they don't do their due diligence with studying game film, they dont compute it the same way,seeing the defenses tendencies, or having that field vision because they are to focused on being on the run and using their athletic ability to bail them out of any situation, where as the drop back guy needs to make sure he is focused and knows the defense cause maybe he can scramble a bit but wont tuck it and run for a few yards or risk injury. RG3 also lacks experience playing under center and before you make Cam Newton comparisons he still does as well and RG3 is much smaller than Newton, and the league will eventually catch up to this new spread offense and if you cant take snaps from under center you will struggle your whole career. RG3 has already torn his ACL once before which is another red flag, and your comfortable with a QB tucking the ball and taking off probably more often then not who has already suffered a major injury like that. Shelf lives of run first mentality QB's don't last as long either, when they are trying to play hero and do it themselves they get hit the same a RB does and we all know their shelf life keeps dwindling and dwindling. I don't care what he did in college how great his stats were, Marino's senior season in college was less than stellar and you saw how he turned out college success doesn't always translate to NFL success. I think RG3 has to many red flags especially for us to give up a ransom note in draft picks to get him, just doesn't make sense. You might wonder why I didnt say anything really positive about RG3 well he's not a QB I want Miami to go after. Ok he's a great college player who I think will make an average NFL QB, who probably will have lots of highlight reels similar to Vick his first couple seasons then the league will figure him out and he will be washed up the same way all the other run first mentality QB's went through. I've seen this movie plenty of times with Cunningham, Culpepper, Vick, Young, McNabb (actually improved his passing game), as much as I love Tebow he'll prob suffer the same fate as these guys if he doesn't develop his pocket awareness and passing skills.

There you have it and please if your going to comment please I understand alot of you have never played the game of football, I have all my life so I do have insight on what I'm saying, its my opinion if you don't like it or agree thats kool, you can't please everyone but, we are all rooting for the same team here no need to slander people and make moronic racial remarks. Hope yall my ideas to fix our beloved Dolphins heres to Philbin restoring our once proud franchise back to existence!!!

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I only want Flynn if Philbin can agree he can come in and run this team well. I also would like to think philbin could get him here cheaper and knows if he is worth bring in

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by 21Dave on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

Plus

How is it Manning gets 4-5 years more and Flynn at 27 gets only 5-7? What if Flynn turns out to be the next Drew Brees or Manning? Then you’re saying Flynn would last until 41 like Manning would…..that’s 13 or 14 more years. Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself with that logic than comparing apples to apples.

by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice read all 32 pages of it

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by 21Dave on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry fellas if its a bit to long

Yeah I think flynn might consider taking less money to come to Miami becuse of the system Philbin would incorporate, we all know how Bill B’s system has worked mastefully for Tom Brady

by TheG13 on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Hey no worries G13 good read

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by 21Dave on Jan 26, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoyed all 32 pages thank you.

Although I disagree with the High risk, high reward move on Manning. I think it more likely a 3-4 year window tops if he can stay healthy. I am not going to disagree that he is one of the greats and could severely elevate our teams play but the injury and the money both scare me. It is not about Ross’ money but the cap repercussions. Look what he did to the Cults, they really couldn’t afford to put anyone else around him…And when he was hurt it SHOWED. Peyton would be great if we could get him cheaper IMO. And the more I read about RG3 the more I am not as sold as I once was. I also don’t even want to think of another year with a sub-par QB so I would order my wish list differently

1-Flynn -If Coach Philfin ( I like that nickname) then I am all in Coach Philfin brings us Flynn the Fin (I hope I just coined that term)

2- Manning- Obviously all risks aside He elite, even though you can’t spell elite with out eli…Peyton is a HOF QB and may some day become a HOF coach…Just an opinion

3- RG3 -as I have read with the Redskins coaching the senior bowl the stock on RG3 may go down. I also don’t like the ACL injury. And agree that the tuck and run QB is over rated and works better in a system with less offensive options.

4- Moore…just please no more sub par QB play

Can we just wheel Shula onto the field at the start of ever game being pushed by one of the Miami Cheerleaders? Talk about mixing fear and distraction...

by Hollywood Dolfan on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

good read, however

I do disagree with you on one key judgement. RG3 is in no way a run first QB. I have watched at least half of his games and he plays the position in the same manner as Aaron Rogers from a read standpoint(not saying he’s as good as him merely comparing the mentality). When you watch him (designed QB runs aside) he scans the field and is always in the mindset pass pass pass pass run. I have even heard more then once that he actually looks to throw the ball TOO much and that he should trust his feet more often. He is poised in the pocket, confident, ellusive, and his accuracy on the deep ball is a thing of beauty. The comparisons to Cam Newton are gonna come up but to be honest as a passer RG3 is far better than Cam was. That’s just my opinion I suppose, you may take it for what you will.

by AcolyteofRa on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Exactly

The OP doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about in this regard. I watched RGIII in all of his games except 3 this year and he’s definitely not a run first QB. The misconception that a lot of people have is that RGIII is fast so he must be linked to a Vick (early days) and be a run first mentally player.

I totally agree with you and do think he plays in a Rodgers read standpoint. His decision making and accuracy might not develop to what Rodgers is today but RGIII is a hell of a lot faster. If RGIII didn’t have his speed and was a strict pocket QB, people would notice more and be more impressed at how good he is at the QB position.

by Coolbean04 on Jan 26, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Manning

I think Manning is a smokescreen to hide who Miami is really interested in. I don’t see Manning playing football again. I suspect Miami will go after Flynn. And I will be surprised if Miami drafts a RT in the first round. John Jerry and Murtha will compete for the RT spot.
and I don’t think they’ll draft a DE either. They can resign Langford to play DT and move Odrick to left DE in a 4-3. I am also hoping Miami franchises soliai and trades him for picks, though he’d be a great DT in any event. I am hoping Miami trades down out of the 9th spot for more picks.

by tpl on Jan 26, 2012 5:58 AM EST reply actions  

You've forgotten Henne from that list............

It is not implausible that there is a situation where Henne gets to compete for the job – obviously depending on what what Philfin (also like that name) sees in him.

The only caveat to Henne returning is if Ross is concerned with selling seats, cos Henne (and Moore as well) won’t put bums on seats in the same way that Manning, Luck, Flynn or RGIII will.

by samalex on Jan 26, 2012 7:33 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

amen!

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by jdelsandro on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

RG3 is not your everyday run-first QB...

Do not mistake his ability to do that with his desire to do that. He has as much ability as anyone in the league to run(he was almost an Olympic hurdler), but the guy will always look downfield to make a big play before running the ball. You would be surprised at how often this guy throws the ball in those situations given his unreal ability to run the ball.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 26, 2012 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

also...

I really can’t see the thinking behind putting Matt Moore above a guy like RG3 … It is not like this guy couldn’t be better than Moore his first year… it is a better chance that he is at least better than Matt Moore his first year, even though he might not play like a franchise QB for the first few years. It is a pretty good bet that Moore will never be a franchise QB though… I don’t get why you would rather go into the season with 0 chance at a franchise QB than having some chance. I will also point out that RG3 has the “IT” factor that you want to see in a QB. I strongly believe that while this guy is not as NFL ready as Luck, he will be a game changer. I would not feel bad about our chances if he was starting week 1 of the season. If nothing else it would be electric to watch…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 26, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol @RG3 stereotyping

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by AnishB15 on Jan 26, 2012 7:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

It happens anytime someone has rare physical ability...

People think that athletic QBs can’t be smart… or have good arms…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 26, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

everytime there is an african american QB, people come out saying all that stupid crap...

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 26, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Really

You can not really think this is true.

by Fins-Fan on Jan 26, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think there could be a bit of truth to it.

Everyone compares him to Vince Young and Michael Vick. They’re running QBs and because they all share the same skin color, they are easy for some to compare RG3 with. Steve Young, John Elway, and Aaron Rodgers were also very mobile QBs, but they’re not considered for comparisons, especially when people say “running QBs don’t win Super Bowls.”

Based on play, RG3 is a better comparison to Rodgers because when he does use his mobility, he keeps his eyes down the field to make the pass. RG3 has done the same when he used his mobility to escape the rush. Players like Vick pull the ball down and commit to the run, something RG3 doesn’t do as often. But because Vick and RG3 are african american, people think of them as running QBs over all else despite that with RG3’s game is more comparable to someone else like Rodgers. Griffin has run more than many other QBs, but there are plays designed for him to run. When he drops back to pass, he is not a run-first QB.

Besides, Cam Newton has run just as much in the NFL and look what he’s doing for Carolina’s offense at the moment. Carolina can be dangerous if they improve their defense.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 26, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i do think it is true for the most part...

VY, Vick, Randall Cunningham, Slash. People said they were just athletes playing QB and in some cases that they were not smart enough for the NFL. VY comes to mind with that (and I’m too young really to say if people thought that about other as well)

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Why can’t he. He isn’t even the first to say it. White analyst on t.v. have said it themselves, they always want to compare them to Vick or Young. Now, Newton is in the mix too. It’s like how they compared Vick to Randall Cunningham when he came out.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but I really have to chime in here.

This statement is so COMPLETELY ridiculous, that it had me laughing for about 5 mins at my desk.

All Time QB Rushers (NCAA stats):
Pat White, West Virginia (2005-08): 684 carries, 4,480 yards
Brad Smith, Missouri (2002-05) 799 carries, 4,289 yards
Antwaan Randle El, Indiana (1998-01) 857 carries, 3,895 yards
Joshua Cribbs, Kent St. (2001-04) 632 carries, 3,670 yards
Dee Dowis, Air Force (1986-89) 543 carries, 3,612 yards
Kareem Wilson, Ohio (1995-98) 885 carries, 3,597 yards
Eric Crouch, Nebraska (1998-01) 648 carries, 3,434 yards
Chris McCoy, Navy (1995-97) 682 carries, 3,401 yards
Beau Morgan, Air Force (1994-96) 594 carries, 3,379 yards
Brian Mitchell, La.-Lafayette (1986-89) 678 carries, 3,335 yards

Only 3 non “african-american” Qb’s there. So right there…that tells me..just quickly looking at the stats and not the playbooks for whatever offense the school ran…that there might be a tendency for an “african-american” QB to use his feet more than using his arm.

Now…we’ll go off of what Finhead83 said about the QB’s he mentioned.

John Elway’s stats
His college years hardly show him as a rusher. Now this could be because of the types of offenses ran in those days…but still.

Aaron Rodger’s stats
Same as Elway…I see his arm…not his feet making plays.

Steve Young’s stats
Out of those three QB’s…SY is the only QB that looks like he would get any sort of concern over him running…but looking at the stats…hardly looks like a run first type of QB.

Truth be told, the only thing I see from looking at those stats and knowing, somewhat, about who was on the teams they played on…I’m willign to bet that because of their WR’s and RB’s..might have enabled them to run the ball a little bit more freely, hence why they have bigger numbers then most on the rushing dept.

Since I have to get back to work, I’ll finish my rant up with…the SAME EXACT concern was raised for his holiness Tim Tebow as has been raised for any other rushing QB out there.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

My comparisons to those QBs...

It wasn’t that they were runners. In fact, I said had nothing to do with how many rushing yards they got. I talked about their style of play that they use their mobility to make throws. I said when I watch Griffin play, I see him use his mobility for the same reasons.

When I compared those QBs, I never said they were run-first QBs, but they were simply mobile QBs. If you don’t think they’re mobile QBs, look at the film instead of their stats. They used their mobility in different ways.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 1, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry to use your QB's...but I was just trying to put a comparision between different QB's styles.

I was responding to #1heatfan in saying that people judge a QB by their skin color.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

btw....

I looked up RG3’s stats….he isnt even in the top 100 rushers….helll I dont think he even made the top 10 QB rushers.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

just thought that was interesting

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

But he is still labeled as a run first QB by many on here. What do you contribute that to?

I honestly think you hear a hell of a lot less of that if he is a white QB. QB’s should be labeled based on their skills not their race.

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by texascowpunk on Feb 1, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Luck is also very mobile...

Nobody notices. I think there are two ways people can either see Griffin as a running QB:
1) Skin color.
2) The fact that he has had a lot of rushing attempts.

If the first is true, that is just a shame. If the latter is true, people need to consider RG3 does run more often than others because a lot of running plays are called for him. However, when he is asked to pass, he uses his mobility to move around to make a pass. He doesn’t tuck and run at first sign of pressure like Vick or Young have a tendency to do. Instead, he’s more like Big Ben or Aaron Rodgers and finds his way out of pressure to make the pass. If people think the latter, I think they just don’t either see enough of his game or understand how his own offense is dictating those running plays. That’s why I think despite the rushing attempts, RG3 is not a run-first QB. He keeps his head up, looks downfield, and makes throws on the run when he’s asked to pass. When he’s asked to run, he runs. You can’t hold that against him and think that makes him a run-first QB.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 1, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said in my post below...

I thought he was a running QB just based on what I heard in the news. Nothing more nothing less. I looked him up…and like you said…it looks like he will take the opportunity to run if it presents itself…but also look to pass first before anything else.

Hell…look at my sig…I thought Cam was gonna be a shit QB for the same reasons as I just listed. He turned out pretty damn good. I’ve been called, point blank, a racist, by someone on here…I won’t tell you who…last year when I argued I didn’t want a running QB. So when someone insinuates anyone who doesn’t want a running QB or thinks a certain QB is a running QB…just because of their color…it kinda pisses me off.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to try and defend yourself to me.

My comment was based against you and to my knowledge, I don’t remember trying to insinuate that you thought that about RG3 because of his color.

I understand that many only know of what they see, whether it is in stats or highlights. There is nothing wrong about not knowing based on not seeing him play in action. I don’t think anyone here would legitimately expect someone to know everything about every prospect. We’re not professional scouts and don’t have the time.

I do understand thought that there are people, though I’m not saying you or any Phinsider member fall into this category, that stereotype RG3 or any QB based on skin color. You explained your reasoning below and I fully believe you. Please don’t feel that you need to defend yourself over this.

And for the record, I didn’t think Newton would be very successful either because I had concerns about his accuracy and his ability to read defenses. I’ll sit next to you at the table and eat that crow lol.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 1, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Blah! Sorry, my comment was NOT based against you. Lol that would be bad...

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by Finhead83 on Feb 1, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

lol...no...it wasn't you insinuating...sorry...should have been more clear.

I replied to the guy I thought was insinuating.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Definitely a good question…

I think I might be able to answer that rather well…especially based on my own thoughts I’ve had on him and some of the things I saw. I too once thought he was a run style QB. Someone told me to go look at his stats…I did…now I no longer think he’s the type of QB that will try to run first…although I still think, because of his athleticism…he’ll also look to run.

1 – Highlights. Yes, you see him throw…but you also see him running.
2 – I’ve seen different reporters write about him and how athletic he is…and how he scrambles out of the pocket.
3 – Call it ignorance…call it too lazy to look at his games to get a good look at him before forming an opinion..call it whatever you want.
4 – Stats don’t lie…sometimes they don’t tell the whole story, but for the most part…they don’t lie. The fact that QB’s who are black, have a tendency to run, more so then a white QB.

Those things are what I see first…before skin color even REMOTELY comes to mind. People who have that on their mind…whether they’re against it…or for it…well….sucks for them.

Another thing…while we’re on the topic, I read an article that black QB’s from Pee Wee till College, had been coached to use their athleticism more then their arm. In essence, they made a RB a QB so they could have more options for any play they ran. It was an interesting article written by a Canadian journalist. I think I had read it on ESPN a year or two ago. So that might also be why fans/general public have an opinion that a black QB would run first.

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately...

I remember that article about coaches trying to do that. It’s not just fans that follow what they see in college and the pros. They see players that are like Vick, Young, Russell, along with others and they see how much difficulty defenses can have with it. It’s not just other teams that try to replicate other teams. That goes all the way down to Pee Wee football. I see the strategy that they try and apply to help open up the offense, but it was still a shame that it came down to a racial thing.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 1, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the racial thing is overplayed imho

I think certain races have certain physical qualities about them that make them better at…lets say…running fast…or endurance…etc. However…that’s getting into the science of athletics and the human body…and…well…I couldn’t even begin to say something all that intelligent about it…other then I have an opinion about it

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by tuscanitunr x2 on Feb 1, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I would also like to point out ...

for the people that are saying that one hit could be the end for Manning… Through his entire career he was sacked a grand total of 231 times. That may sound like a lot, but that is over 13 seasons, which amounts to an average of 17.77 times a season. in 2010-2011 he was sacked 16 times. Put those numbers up against any QB in the league… you won’t find a better QB at not getting hit and that is with the Colts O-line who gave up 35 sacks last year to Manning’s backups.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 26, 2012 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

Matt Moore was sacked 36 times last year..

And while you can put a good bit of that squarely on the shoulders of Columbo, SOME of the blame has to rest with Matt Moore… He knew he had Columbo at RT..

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 26, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Most were on to RG3 before he won the Heisman or before ESPN started talking about him.

We were discussing RG3 when it was believed Barkley and Jones would come out. RG3 is also not a run first QB. He scrambles and keeps his eye down the field, making a great pass. He scrambles and passes, when there are no lanes, he runs. That is not a run first mentality. That is the same thing players like Steve Young, John Elway, and Aaron Rodgers have done throughout their careers. Run first QBs are those like Vick that pull the ball down and commit to the run the second he feels pressure. RG3 does not do that.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 26, 2012 8:35 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

^this

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 26, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

your assesment of RGIII is terrible

he is not a run first QB. He goes through his reads, if nothing is there he scrambles with his eyes downfield (still looking to pass), if nothing is still there he runs it. He threw for 4,293 yards and ran for 699, how is that run first? yea, I know it is the spread and he will need to adjust, but almost every college QB runs the spread and will need to adjust to taking snaps under center. Also, remember back in the day when the league shifted to more passing and everyone said it will not last. Look how that turned out. With RGIII and Philbin, we will be running the West Coast offense, something proven that has been around for years.

Sorry, i dont really want the 36 year on who, if healthy, could give us a couple good years. Nor do I want the 7th round backup who is a product of the situation in GB. and I certainly do not want the mediocre QB that we currently have. To me, the choice is clear and that choice is RGIII

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 26, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

id take a couple good years if it costs us no draft picks

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 26, 2012 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Outstanding POST... REC

Where is Texas CP ? He is going to hate your comments on RG3……Well TCP ???
I agree with almost everything you wrote, including the EVal on RG3, a kid with a lot of talent, but I prefer POCKET passers who stand tall in the pocket and look downfield always. running is nice – but the best running QB’s tend to rely on it more and more until an injury or the constant beating they take catches up.
I think Manning (if healthy) is the upgrade we need – but Matt Flynn is a decent consolation prize. Just wish he were taller also….but he has shown the ability to stand in the pocket and fire strikes…..Really i think we already have to look at WEEDEN and Tanneyhill as lower round prospects…(unless we get Manning) Personally I want this team to prepare for next years QB class – by getting an additional pick somehow.
We should trade down in this years draft unless Justin blackmon WR is there for our pick or maybe Coples at DE – no Tackle is worth our #8 pick (I hope) trading down for extra picks would help a lot – as we need RT, G, TE, S…and as always QB…

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by 62Lou on Jan 26, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

Umm, you don't want RGIII because he is athletic

But you want us taking tannehill? You do realize that tannehill was a former wr and is just as “run first” as RGIII. To the guy who said that it is not true that qbs are stereotyped by color, here is a blatant example. He says he doesn’t want rgiii (who is black) because he isn’t a pocket passer, but then says he wants tannehill (who is white) when tannehill and rgiii have similar playing styles. Either you are misinformed about tannehill, or you are jumping to conclusions based on color.

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by AnishB15 on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

exactly, it happens to aftican american QBs all the time. Its funny he doesnt want RGIII because he thinks he is a running QB (although he is not), but he wants Tannehill who is also a running QB

the only thing is that RGIII is much better both as a runner and a passer…

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not for me...

1 RG3
2 Manning
3 MM

You make the assumption that, “Cleared to play,” is the same as “who he use to be.” I am very skeptical that he will ever be the same player he was.

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by JImbo111 on Jan 26, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I think history shows the Phins are not a team I'd trust to know the difference

I would think for the Colts an ideal situation would be to let Luck sit behind Manning for a year, maybe 2 in spite of the cost. If they believed Manning could put them back in the SB…

by JImbo111 on Jan 26, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Like your article but I disagree, expecially with your RGIII assessment

but liked your points

I’d go with Jimbo’s assessment above…

I’d trade up for RGIII, if not I’d go after Manning and draft a rookie (Tannehill) and lastly I would go with Flynn on a very franchise deal (and less than 4 years) and let him compete with Moore

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by BSerious72 on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

look its simple i’m just not that big of fan of rg3’s game not his skin color, an especially having to give up 3-4 draft picks to get him i dont believe is what this franchise needs right now, rg3 may be a different type of run first mentality qb who can be successful from the pocket i know he doesnt have the experience from being under center and think its just to much to give up to draft him, when we have glaring holes at rt,te,lb, and saftey, which we can address those all in this draft

by TheG13 on Jan 26, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

PEOPLE WHEN I SAY RUN FIRST MENTALITY ITS NOT RUN FIRST ALWAYS I EXPLAINED THAT, RG3 IS A QB AND WILL ALWAYS PASS FIRST BUT ITS JUST MORE OF THE TENDENCIES TO RUN IN CRUCIAL SITUATIONS THEN PASS

nothing wrong with having a qb who is athletic that can make plays with his legs but like i have to repeat myself TRADING LIKE 4 DRAFT PICKS FOR A QB WHO HAS HAD A TORN ACL AND NO EXPERIENCE UNDER CENTER IS JUST NOT WORTH IT TO ME SORRY, IF I HURT YOUR DREAM OR YOUR FEELINGS GET OVER IT.

by TheG13 on Jan 26, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

Caps doesn't make us pay attention any more. Usually works the other way...

But hey, you’d think a torn ACL two years ago would’ve made him less of a runner. Oh yeah, his tendency is still to pass in crucial situations then run if nobody is open.

And if it was the picks that concerned you about him, why wouldn’t you have just said that? Instead, you went paragraph deep into how he runs and is like Vick, Young, Cunningham, Culpepper, and McNabb, but you never once said anything that it’d be too expensive to land him in Miami. Somehow, I just don’t buy that as your reasoning…

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by Finhead83 on Jan 26, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I did re-read it i said it doesnt make sense that we need to give up a ransom note of draft picks to get him, just curious as to why some people get so emotional? Its just an opinion people haha, enjoy it!!!

by TheG13 on Jan 27, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

wow

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by phinsphan85 on Jan 26, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are you yelling at us?

I don’t even know what that says. I assume that if you yelling then its not worth paying attention to.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 27, 2012 6:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Stick to reading

Less Posting

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by maverickcyc on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a good thread.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 26, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Irsay just called Peyton a "politician"

I would love it he got released and healthy and we got him.

That game against the Colts in Indianapolis would be one of the biggest games of all time. Probably a Sunday Night Football matchup (if it happened before the schedule)

by hbkDolphins on Jan 26, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

/z/

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by texascowpunk on Jan 26, 2012 9:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

How can you say Manning will play for 5 more years,

but Matt Flynn will only play for 5-7? LOL what???

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

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by joel311 on Jan 26, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

i said manning can play for up to 5 more years,ever here of brett favre and flynn is already 27 who knows how good he could be or how long his prime but given the age range for a guy who isnt peyton manning its around 5-7 years that would make flynn between the ages of 32-34, what dont you understand? flynns prime might not even be half good of peytons last years who knows, tough to say flynn is uncertain and unproven and manning has health issues

by TheG13 on Jan 27, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

First off,

Brett Favre never missed a game until his last season. He did not have to get 3 neck surgeries. Manning is no Favre when it comes to durability. Secondly, even career journeymen and backups have longer careers these days. Ever heard of Jeff Garcia? The guy who played LONGER than Favre? The guy who is on Houston’s roster at the age of forty-one?

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

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by joel311 on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

His comment kind of miffed me...

I do agree that there is a chance Peyton could play 5 more years, though I don’t know if he will. Realistically, I think his window is about 3 years, but he can go up to 5, yes.

How that means Flynn can only go 5-7 though just baffles me. When you have players like Sage Rosenfels, Kerry Collins, Mark Brunell, Donovan McNabb, David Carr, and Billy Volek still running around the NFL in their mid-thirties, there is no reason to think that Flynn can’t go beyond 5-7 years, in which case he’ll be 33 at the 7 year mark of that prediction. Of the QBs I listed, only Carr (32) is younger. Brunell is even 41 and both McNabb and Volek are 35. You can’t tell me McNabb, Brunell, and Collins don’t belong on this list because they’re former starters at the waning end of their careers because it is likely Flynn will be a starter too. Brunell hasn’t even been a viable starter for the past 6 years and he’s still bouncing around the league. Besides that, Volek and Rosenfels have been nothing but career backups. To think Flynn will be done at 31 because he hasn’t been a starter as of this point is pretty ridiculous.

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by Finhead83 on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you,

drive through.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Why post 1-3????

Dude you didnt have to make a fake fan post to harp on the fact that you dont like RG3. Numbers 1-3 are just BS to get to your meat and potatoes in #4. Hating on a damn good THROW FIRST QB. It is obvious that you did not wathc Baylor play this year. If so you would have not hit “Post” after writing this Tom Foolery.

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by maverickcyc on Jan 27, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

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