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Miami Dolphins and the West Coast Offense

These past three weeks have not been fun for the average Dolphin fan. Everyday was a mystery and absolutely no one knew what was going on inside the doors of the Miami Dolphins facility in Davie, no matter how many "sources" they had. There were countless rumors about multiple coaching candidates whether it was Jeff Fisher, Mike McCoy, Todd Bowles, and even Mike Mularkey at one point. It was chaos. But what’s a Miami Dolphins head coaching search without a little chaos?

Towards the end of last week, all fans, including me, were tired and aggravated, wanting Stephen Ross and jeff Ireland to just make a decision, no matter whom they chose. Finally, the verdict was in…Joe Philbin. I was happy, Miami was happy, and it seemed as if the whole Dolphins organization was happy, but now what? What does Joe Philbin give us? First off, he gives the Dolphins leadership and discipline. Watching the press conference, we all noticed that Coach Philbin seems like a man that tells it how it is with a strong, confident manner of being. Secondly, Coach Philbin brings us a fast and affective OFFENSE. Yes, offense: something that has been lacking in Miami for the better part of the last decade. Who will be the quarterback? Who will he draft? What about Free Agency? All of that shall be discussed within time, but right now, let’s talk about J.P’s "West Coast Offense."

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The West Coast offense is not very simple to define in one sentence. First, the offense must use "Precision-timed passing, variable formations, and the exploitation of each player’s skills"—Bill Walsh. The offense revolves around a fully dimensional passing attack, which includes a variety of short passes, and also a running game that has the ability to control the clock. The West Coast system exploits a defense’s holes and takes advantage of those weaknesses. Secondly, the attention to detail on every front of the offensive side of the ball will keep the team from making mistakes. The commitment to detail was what made the Packers offense one of the most aggressive and successful in the league.

PRINCIPLES OF THE WEST COAST OFFENSE

1. Use All Your Receivers: Usually, a West Coast system has 5 eligible receivers on all passing plays. This spreads out the defense, giving speedy receivers like Davone Bess or Clyde Gates the ability to get open on easy "Square Ins" or "Slant" routes. The use of multiple receivers was something that was absent throughout the 2011 season. Davone Bess had the worst year of his career, Clyde Gates was not used at all, and Charles Clay (who made big impacts on every catch) was not targeted as often as he should have.

2. Protect the QB: Tony Sparano was said to be an O-Line guru, however, what we saw for the pat 4 years was a failed attempt by an antiquated 50-year old in assembling an Offensive Line for the future. Sure, he got halfway there, but halfway does not work in the NFL. When two men that combine to be 63 years old are protecting your right side, something bad is bound to happen. For this reason, many believe the Dolphins should take a chance on on Reily Reiff in the draft and sign Carl Nicks in the off-season in order to make Miami one of the most dominant Offensive Lines in the league (Supposing Reiff lives up to the hype). The West Coast system draws up certain protection schemes. With a dominant O-Line, when a defense brings in more people to rush than the usual, the Quarterback will be able to have enough time to get the ball to the "Hot Receiver."

3. Read the Defense: reading a defense is one of the most under appreciated talents of a quarterback/wide receiver. If a well-trained QB can read a defense and know with certainty where the ball will be thrown, and a solid WR can read his coverage and run the appropriate route, then this will cause major problems in the defensive scheme of the opposing team. This ability worked wonders with Tom Brady and Randy Moss in 2007. Smart Quarterbacks must be paired with smart receivers in order for any threat to be made. In 2008, the Dolphins had one of the smartest Quarterbacks in the league with Chad Pennington, but not having the capable receiver had them kicked out early in the playoffs.

Is Matt Moore, in his second season as Dolphin, capable of reading a defense appropriately and teaching his best receiver Brandon Marshall along the way, or visa versa? Probably. Would signing Peyton Manning, arguably THE smartest Quarterback in the league, make a bigger intellectual and physical impact on the field? Definitely. Would signing Matt Flynn, a man who has been studying Joe Philbin’s offensive style for multiple years, have a great impact on the field as well? Most Likely. It is a tough personnel decision for Jeff Ireland, and frankly I’m not even sure what Dolfans would prefer at the moment.

4. Timed Routes: What has made the Green Bay offense so effective and quick throughout the years has been the ability for receivers and quarterbacks to be in sync with their routes. This is also what made Dan Marino’s career so proficient as well. The Receiver should know how many drop steps the Quarterback will take, and once that last step is taken, he should be expecting the ball no matter what. This is what 2-minute drills are made of. Receivers are quick on the ball, and Quarterbacks are quick to release. Looking back, the Dolphins had zero two-minute drills resulting in touchdowns, and most of the blame lies on the lack of mental and physical quickness from both the Quarterback and the Receiver.

5. Passing Plays and Running Plays are compliments, NOT SUBSTITUTES: The way a defense is caught off guard is when they don’t expect the unexpected. Catching a team off guard is not very difficult. All that is needed is an effective game plan. When a team runs the ball four times straight effectively, the defense expects another run. Miami’s "If it aint broke don’t fix it" mentality has resulted in missed opportunities on numerous occasions. If an offense runs the ball effectively (4-5 yards) four times, then a play-action pass should be called. The same goes the other way. If an offense passes the ball effectively three or four times in a row (7-8 yards) then call a draw. This keeps defenses guessing, which is a tremendous advantage for the offense.

PlAYER QUALITIES OF A WEST COAST OFFENSE

1. Quarterback: In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy. The main job of the QB in this system is to matriculate the ball with short 7-yard spot routes, square outs, Texas routes, and stick routes. All of these passes need to be thrown with exact precision and speed. Once these pass plays are completed, the QB should then look for the long ball to be thrown.

Another characteristic of the QB style in a West Coast system is the mobility of the Quarterback. When you see teams like the Packers and the Eagles play, what is one thing they both have in common? Mobile Quarterbacks. Mhmm what Quarterback has the ability to be deadly accurate and mobile at the same time…ding ding ding, you guessed it, Robert Griffin III. Griffin would thrive under the West Coast Offense, which is one reason why the Dolphins are said to pursue him heavily in the draft.

2. Tight End: The elite Tight Ends in the league can almost all out-jump a Cornerback/ Safety. They all have receiver speed, linebacker strength, and excellent blocking skills. Is Anthony Fasano the kind of guy that can thrive in the West Coast system like Vernon Davis or Jermichael Finley? It’s tough to say after the solid year he had. Paired up with Charles Clay, this duo has the capability to succeed in this kind of offense, but perhaps a name like Coby Fleener (Mentioned before by The Earl) could make our TE core compete with that of the New England Patriots.

3. Wide Receiver: In the West Coast, Wide Receivers are used most often in the short passing attack. These receivers must have the ability to break away from defenders once they ball touches their hands. The best thing that could ever happen to a player like Davone Bess is that Joe Philbin came to coach. After averaging 77 catches and 789 yards in 2009 and 2010, Bess only caught 51 passes and 537 yards in 2011, dropping his stats in almost every category. Davone is one of the best slot receivers in the league, and the ball needs to be in his hands. There is no doubt that he will thrive under Coach Philbin’s coaching philosophy. The same may very well be for Clyde Gates who had a dismal first season in the NFL.

Free Agency: For this system to work in Miami, perhaps acquiring a player like Reggie Wayne, Desean Jackson, or Eddie Royal in free agency would certainly help this desperate team.

NOTE: Brandon Marshal would be very successful under this new offense as well due to the fact that he played under the West Coast System during his tenure as a Denver Bronco.

4. Running Back: The Miami Dolphins have a perfect running back for the West Coast Offense. Joe Philbin didn’t have what Miami has back in Green Bay, and now that he does, it is likely that Reggie Bush will have a breakout year. Take a look at LeSean McCoy from the Philadelphia Eagles. McCoy scored 17 touchdowns off 273 carries last year playing in the West Coast system. Joe Philbin will have a lot of fun designing a game plan with Reggie Bush by his side.

5. Offensive Line: O-Linemen in this kind of offense need to be quick and agile off the snap. Because the "Ground and Pound" offense will most likely not be used anymore, there is no utter necessity of simply pushing defenders back. Linemen in the West Coast O need to posses ability to pull defenders and take quick steps outside the pocket to prevent a sack. Frankly, players like Marc Colombo, Vernon Carey, and perhaps John Jerry lack that unique quality.

Draft/ Free Agency: Going back to a few paragraphs before, the names Reily Reiff and Carl Nicks came up. Getting these two players would solve many problems from 2011, and would make Joe Philbin’s job much easier. These two players would make the O-Line 13 years younger than what it is now, and fresh and explosive feet are the cornerstones of West Coast Offensive Line.

Joe Philbin’s credentials are those that deserve a simple "wow." The way he carries himself on and off the field is has been complimented by multiple coaches around the league. His style of offense has yet to be seen in South Florida, and is one that will take the entire off-season to learn, however, there is no question that he will be able to implant "The West Coast System" into the minds of all 53 players. Unfortunately, the million-dollar question still remains: "Who will be the focal point of this offense?"

Poll
What Would You Do Regarding the QB Situation
Start Matt Moore and build an offense around him this off-season.
236 votes
Trade up for Robert Griffin.
505 votes
Sign Peyton Manning and trade down for Ryan Tanehill
503 votes
Sign Matt Flynn (Starter over Moore)
688 votes
Other
104 votes

2036 votes | Poll has closed

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sign flynn and let him compete with moore

Manning is 36 has not played for over a year and has a neck injury that could be crippling if it happens again. That does not paint a pretty picture for his state of mind when playing. It will always be in the back of his mind

by dolfan52 on Jan 25, 2012 6:42 AM EST reply actions  

P.s. Rec i feel bad that i only have one rec for you pal this is truely epic!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

TO DO LIST

To Do
This is what I think the Phins should do:

1. Sign Matt Flynn
2. Sign Carl Nicks
3. 1st Round, Riley Reiff (Mayock’s first ranked tackle)
4. 2nd Round, Pass Rusher

Then TE / S / WR / Etc.

But the first four points, is what I think is most important

Also
Flynn is a winner.
If you look at his LSU days, and what he has done at greenbay behind QB-God Rodgers, you know he is for real, and he’s a winner. Super accurate, perfect for the west coast offence.

With an O Line : Jake Long / Rich Incognito / Mike Pouncey / Carl Nicks / Riley Reiff, you have the best O Line in football period. 4 potential Pro Bowlers!!

1 more good receiving TE, 1 more good/fast WR (easy to come by) and you have a killer offence.

On defence (our stongest unit right now), all we really need is a pass rusher. Our D line is great, and our secondary could use some extra help, but is getting better already.

by Peutz on Jan 25, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Reiff.

I think we can go cheaper and still get a good RG though with Jake Scott. Assuming we can’t get RG3 in the first, I’d also love to go with the draft as…

1) Quinton Coples, DE
2) Ryan Tannehill, QB
3) Nate Potter, OT
4) Tommie Streeter, WR

Gives us a great compliment to Wake at DE in a 4-3 scheme, which seems more likely now. We have a developmental QB with Tannehill and a solid RT candidate with Potter. Streeter gives us a raw, but fast and tall WR to help groom. For those that want a TE, we could try Michael Egnew, Ladarius Green, David Paulson, or DeAngelo Peterson in the 5th round.CBs like Trumaine Johnson (if available) or Stephon Gilmore would be nice too.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 25, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

You have Manning and RG3 out there. If we don’t have RG3, that likely means Cleveland or Washington selected him. If it is Cleveland, they’d pass on Tannehill. If it is Washington, they may look to other QBs as well or may have Flynn (Miami has to be the favorite for him though). Either way, Washington would grab Tannehill in the 2nd, not first. The only way Tannehill goes in the first is if Cleveland passes on Flynn and then uses their second pick in the first round on him. Otherwise he falls.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

49ers are bringing Kaepernick along

I wouldnt include SF in the QB grab.

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by CanT0o on Jan 26, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Article!

I enjoyed the explanations of the west coast offense. From the sound of it Matt Moore might work as QB in a west coast offense. It’ll be interesting to see what, if any, QB philbin pursues. Though I think they will try to sign Peyton Manning regardless. He’ll fill seats in the stadium, which will make Ross happy.

by tpl on Jan 25, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

I am skeptical that Moore can work in the WCO

He doesn’t have the accuracy in under routes to thrive.

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 25, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Try to trade for the Rams pick.... and take RGIII

Great article btw Alejandro, very insightful. Enjoyed it!

I think we should trade up to the 2nd overall pick cause there is no way that RGIII will get passed Washington or Cleveland. And I think RGIII would be a perfect fit for Philbins system. Flynn may have studied under Philbin and also may be a good option, but he still has little experience. In the games he has played he has looked great though. Peyton is 36, coming off a year layoff, and a neck injury and many surgeries, so its hard to know if Peyton will ever be Peyton again, but it may be worth the chance.

I personally would just rather have RGIII added after seeing what Cam Newton did this year for the Panthers. The Phins have a more polished team then the Panthers did so the addition of RGIII will have less growing pains, if he plays anywhere near Cams level as a rookie.

Any of these ways could benefit the Dolphins and I look forward to seeing what they do. Thanks again for this article. Loved it

by jdelsandro on Jan 25, 2012 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

How much would you be willing to trade for RGIII?

I’d really like to see him in Miami also but at what cost? Would you also be willing to give up a 1st and 2nd this year and next year for that trade?

by evenflow58 on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on what Rams want....

If they can sacrifice an aging player like Dansby as well as their First and maybe 3rd or 4th round pick, i think it would be a fair trade.

I dont think giving up our second round pick is necessary either year. The Rams would probably prefer stock piling picks rather than have a 2nd overall. They have too many holes to fill especially in their defensive side of the ball. So if we give up a defensive end or linebacker and our first I think they may bite.

by jdelsandro on Jan 25, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Omar Kelly was investigating just what it would cost

and said it would be a swap of 1st, a 2nd and next years 1st and a mid round, possibly a 3rd at highest.

Since you’re swapping 1st it isn’t “giving it up” so you’re really losing a 2nd, 1st and 3rd. If BM is worth 2 2nd picks why wouldn’t a QB (if he is deemed a potential franchise QB) be worth a 1st, 2nd & 3rd? If a 32 year old Carson Palmer is worth a 1st & 2nd (can be a 1st if Oakland makes AFC Championship next year) then giving the above draft picks are more than worth it for RG3.

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 25, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder where Omar Kelly comes up with this stuff

He have a hotline into Fishers office? With that said I’d make that deal….

by FinsSince70 on Jan 25, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

By his twitter feed it appears he was asking around

NFL personnel at the Senior Bowl. He actually came back and listed it as less, to start with. It comes down, as with anything in life, what someone is willing to pay.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/01/miami-dolphins-senior-moments-in-mobile.html

And I’m told a trade up price of a first round swap, a future first rounder (2013), and something extra like a starting player or a third round pick is more realistic than three first round picks. That’s the starting point. However, competition from other teams might drive that price up a bit more.

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not losing the 1st, you're using it to pick RGIII.

So the cost of him would two 1sts, one 2nd, and one 3rd. That’s a lot more than two 2nds. But I’d still do it. If it works out like I think it will, next years 1st will be a late pick anyway.

by PNSter on Jan 25, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

What I am saying is you only lose a 1st, 2nd & 3rd

You still have the 1st which would be used on RG3. It’s like saying we lost a 6th round pick for Reggie Bush. We didn’t lose it we are just picking lower with the swap with NO.

It’s all semantics anyways, the bottom line is RG3 is worth that for sure. I also agree that with RG3 our 1st rounder next year will be a lot lower (I think in the 20’s).

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 25, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved this Post

I enjoyed reading about the WCO, Thanks

by RagingFin on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 AM EST reply actions  

Good read. Thank you. Seriously one of the better articles I have read in a long time. Omar and Salguero can’t hold your jock with this article.

by mr1313 on Jan 25, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

Great post

I voted RG3 but it depends on the cost. If the cost is too high (which it probably will be) I’d opt for Manning if he’s healthy. Since this is a “hope for” vote I’d like to see a fresh out franchise type signal caller.

by FinsSince70 on Jan 25, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Great article

Ya know I never really understood the WCO, and now I do, so nice job! I really do not believe we are in a position to get RG3, we won’t get him with just 2 first rd picks. As some think, the teams in front of us Browns are in way better shape! I would love to see the “General” Manning under center shouting directions to the offence. If he’s not ready to go then so be it, but if he IS… give him a two year deal and let it rip!!! And Ross WILL pay for him that’s one benifit of having the second richest owner in all of NFL. That puts us in a better position to win immediately, which is what dolfans need, crave, and won’t have it any other way. It will be ugly if Philiban can’t turn this team around, with the eaiser season in 2012.

by PAPHIN4ever on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Alejandro, you've honestly become one of my favorite writers here

REC and a great article. I think our team would thrive in the West Coast because we have a perfect slot, a huge target #! dominate WR that can make catches over elite corners in the NFL, and a PERFECT RB in Reggie Bush to work out of the backfield, on sweeps and draws. I think the ONLY thing we need is an athletic target t TE; Fasano is great as a blocker and possession guy, but another athletic target would make make a 1-2 punch.

I can see Peyton thriving in our offense and honestly I think we have some goodies on OFFENSE that would make him seriously consider wanting to play here. But my guy continues to be RGIII, his mobility would keep linebackers at bay and he could put up Cam Newton numbers without a doubt. Plus he can deliver the deep ball.

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by BSerious72 on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I think it's a bit rediculous myself.

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a bit rediculous myself.

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Reading the west coast, this actually sounds like Kellen Moore from Boise State. Smart football player, quick game, great decision maker, able to “read” the game, not a strong arm.

by tightypatwhitey on Jan 25, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the numbers are that high

And I see the concern some have about Peyton. I’m not concerned about the injury (he’s either healed or not and I don’t consider him an injury risk), but after so many years, people want a franchise QB. If Manning was only the age of 30, this would be a no brainer. I can see how people would be willing to go with others though. Miami is at #8 this year and if we have Manning, we’re likely looking for a replacement for him in 2-3 years, but then we’re picking in the 20s (hopefully 30s).

I don’t Flynn was a hot idea until Philbin came. I don’t think it’s so much only because of Flynn, but that people are comfortable with him because of Philbin. Myself, I’m not very big on Flynn, but I do have some level of comfort because Philbin is familiar with him. If Flynn is in Miami, it is because Philbin has faith in him. I have faith in Philbin, so that gives me a little bit of faith in Flynn.

As for Tannehill, I love him as a prospect. I am perfectly fine with him. I’d love some RG3, but if not, I am loving the idea of Coples (Blackmon moreso, but I doubt he’s available) and Tannehill in the 2nd.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 25, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

BEST ARTICLE I HAVE READ ON HERE

GREAT JOB!!!! I would love RG3 but his price tag would be way too much. I like Flynn. I liked how he almost beat the patriots last year when Rodgers was out with a concussion. I think that was the spark to the Packers SB WIN. But i would REALLY REALLY LOVE “THE GENERAL” Peyton Manning. If he is healthy and chooses us to play for, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE HE WOULD TAKE US TO THE SUPERBOWL!!!! u guys might think im crazy but we could have won 12 games if we had elite QB play last year. and with our much easier schedule this upcoming year if we got elite QB play we would have 12-14 wins. Moore did a GREAT JOB holding down the fort, but he missed alot of TD’s and drive extending throws. and he ISN’T GONNA LEAD US TO OUR 3RD SUPERBOWL TROPHY SORRY. So all in all i would be happy with any of the 3 and ok if we were stuck with Moore for another year

by ceo86 on Jan 25, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Henne almost beat the Patriots.

Just saying.

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

u right

but Flynn has been under coach Philbin’s coaching his whole time in the NFL. Peyton is so smart he would be telling coach what plays he is gonna run. and this system would be PERFECT for RG3

by ceo86 on Jan 25, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean Sporano and Henne.

Hopefully, you are joking here. Because if 90% of people are wining about M Moore, and his numbers were signifcantly better than CH7 in EVERY YEAR he was QB how could you even mention Henne???

M Moore earned himself a REAL OPPORTUNITY to be QB. He had a pretty decent year and with a full off season to train and possibly an upgrade a RT and TE, I can expect bigger and better things from M Moore.

With respect to Manning, I cannot envision him coming here for multiple reasons. He is one hit away from a wheelchair, He has been essentially a second coach on the field. With a new HC and OC, I can’t see Manning coming here and then acquiessing to any rookie OC. And if the guy starts making mistakes or disagrees with Manning, what is going to happen? Remeber Manning calls the plays on the field and often changes them on the fly when he is at the line of scrimmige. But then again money talks and BS walks. For $30 million or so, he may be able to suck it up!!!

by DAVEBUCK on Jan 25, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless his accuracy improves dramatically it's not going to happen
I can expect bigger and better things from M Moore

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 25, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Henne did beat NE before.

But so did Sanchez, Fitzpatrick, Flacco, and McCoy.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 25, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

To Do

This is what I think the Phins should do:

1. Sign Matt Flynn
2. Sign Carl Nicks
3. 1st Round, Riley Reiff (Mayock’s first ranked tackle)
4. 2nd Round, Pass Rusher

Then TE / S / WR / Etc.

But the first four points, is what I think is most important

by Peutz on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Also

Flynn is a winner.
If you look at his LSU days, and what he has done at greenbay behind QB God Rodgers, you know he is for real, and he’s a winner. Super accurate, perfect for the west coast.

With an O Line : Jake Long / Rich Incognito / Mike Pouncey / Carl Nicks / Riley Reiff, you have the best O Line in football period. 4 potential Pro Bowlers!!

1 more good receiving TE, 1 more good/fast WR (easy to come by) and you have a killer offence.

On defence (our stongest unit right now), all we really need is a pass rusher. Our D line is great, and our secondary could use some extra help, but is getting better already.

by Peutz on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

If all these plans begin to fail

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by broxtone on Jan 25, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

ROSS heed this warning

Get the ship sailing downstream again or the banner bonanza will be followed by full page advertisements in the Miami Harold.

by broxtone on Jan 25, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

The truth is, we don't know what Philbin will bring us...

…until we see the product on the field. Until then, we can only hope what he brings us.

by dab415217 on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

YEP

I loved Ireland enthusiasm of NEEDING a QB. I keep hearing of this master plan. Well im going to put a twist in it. Let’s say that this master plan is to acquire a package deal for Andrew Luck! I know BOLD statement probably very off. However irsay is a business man and whoa not to say that getting an abundance of picks this year and next build your other weaknesses (pretty much everything) and draft Barkley or Jones next year. Idk im just thinking we mortgage 2 first rounders and a couple seconds and maybe a third for RG3 Why not throw in another first rounder foe Luck. IMO we are very close and through free agency and some mid to late round steals in this draft we could be right there so im lobbeuing that Luck is not only the real deal but the Ireland and Ross True Deal! They smoke screen everything had ppl thinking McCoy was soon to run it all and here comes Philbin. Made ppl thing D Williams or A Bradshaw were the feature back here comes Bush. Just saying it can happen :] LIVE MY PHINS

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by chad6 on Jan 25, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

all three options have their upside

i voted for RG3 because i desperately want a YOUNG franchise QB. too many years have passed since we had Dan and we have never really had a guy we thought could be the one. my 2nd option would be Manning and Tanehill. Manning has already been cleared for contact. the issue is his arm strength. will it be there? having him gives time for Tanehill to develop as everyone thinks he needs to and we have a coach with a history of doing just that. finally, the Flynn option isn’t horrible. i was completely against signing him until we brought in Philbin. Philbin knows who Flynn is. if he thinks he can win with him, then it is his call.

all three are really good options though. RG3 is RG3, enough said. Manning gives a chance to win right away, have a young prospect, and still have draft picks to use. Flynn allows us to pick up a solid OL prospect in the draft and need picks later without having to worry about a QB.

i like where we are right now. we have several options. i will however be pissed if they screw it up completely. that is my right as a fanatic, no?

i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.

by small balls on Jan 25, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Sign Flynn

Of all the QBs who get named as potential for the Dolphins to purse, he’s the one candidate who has history with Philbin and his mindset/expectations.

RGIII would be great, but costly. If we fail to get Flynn, he’d be the next option in my humble opinion. This would likely cost us a painful chunk of this years draft and possibly next years as well.

Manning – at the risk of sounding like a broken record – just doesn’t belong here. Miami would have to overpay to get him..his durability is now a question mark..his skills have no upside, its only downhill from here…and the offense would need to be structured around him, whereas Flynn and RGIII could be groomed to fit the desired system and have over a decade of success in Miami. Still, I know a lot of people want him so maybe i’ll have to try to see some positives…lol

I love how the Towel Throwers and Henne haters are quickly silenced by the smallest modicum of success. Here's a thought: You'll never appreciate the successes unless you believe and support them when they're supposed to be down. I don't care how entitled you feel that you are to your negativity, a person that boos their own team is simply a jerk.

by mikem1224 on Jan 25, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

What if the Dolphins are offered a boat-load of picks... (swapping firsts, then getting 2nd, 3rd round picks)

… should they trade back?

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by Alpha6 on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

If they are not going to trade up for RG3 then yes.

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 25, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

cee & next years #1 wood be the best place to start!

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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!

by wild zion beaver on Jan 25, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

my qb wish list
1.manning, then possibly draft a qb in the later rounds
2.flynn hopefully he could be the franchise but
3.no qb names rg3
so if i believe if we cant get the above 2 mentioned then we can stick with moore for now and maybe we can swing something for next years draft who knows

by TheG13 on Jan 25, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

First of all, I really enjoyed this article. Great read.

Not sure about Nicks. He’ll come expensive.

You want this team to be successful for the next 10-15 yrs, then u sign griffin. Sure, we won’t have 1st and 2nd rounders in the next draft. Big deal. This guy has the “it” factor. Fail this, thn manning would be a superb option also. In the manning option go OT, OLB and OG in the first 3 rounds.

by BahamaDolfan on Jan 25, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

Manning, Flynn,, Moore

I;m not sure why anyone is bringing up Manning as a possible QB for the FINS in 2012. I’ve said it before – Manning will be playing for the Colts in 2012 unless he is physically unable. They will pick Luck in the draft and let him sit behind and learn from Manning for a year or two – it’s the only thing that makes sense for the Colts. As for Flynn if he leaves GB we would have the inside track with Philbin and Philbin knows if Flynn is the real deal so if he goes after him I trust his judgement. I would like to see RGIII play for the Fins but he would simply cost too much and as great as he was in college – he is an unknown in the NFL so to trade away all the picks mentioned above would be crazy unless it’s the only way to get a potentially great QB for the future. Don’t know why but after watching Moore grow last year I am not of the belief he can’t get the job done. IMO of course.

by incognito1948 on Jan 25, 2012 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

well done young man, and a hearty rec'd

Noooooooo to manning, too old, too broken, and one hit away from a wheelchair. If we could get flynn for a decent price , and keep moore,leaving some room to still be able to fill our other needs with the draft and FA, Mr. philbin will be able to put quite a team together. RGIII would be a great addition , but will cost us in the draft, and NO one knows if he can replicate his college form in the nfl. Hell it’s all a crapshoot, let’s just hope we don’t roll snake eyes !

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by daytonadolfan on Jan 25, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

What would you consider a decent price?
If we could get flynn for a decent price

The current talk is he will be looking for a 5 yr $50 million contract.

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty disgusting for a nobody....

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by Alpha6 on Jan 25, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not for a starter in Miami!

wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 25, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Your crystal ball working overtime?

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The Beaver don't need no fancy props. He just knows don't you know?

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by texascowpunk on Jan 26, 2012 6:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I chose other.

I believe that regardless of anything, the Dolphins will sign two quarterbacks. Losman will walk, Rosenfels will walk, Henne will walk and Devlin (pending his progress) will either walk or be kept on the practice squad if he shows some promise. That means we will only have Matt Moore signed to a deal. I doubt very highly that the Dolphins will go into another season with only two quarterbacks signed up any time soon. I think (more like hope) that we can sign Flynn in FA and then draft Tannehill in the second. I think Tannehill can be amazing given some time to learn behind another quarterback. I think Flynn can be that quarterback and Flynn can also have a ton of success in Philbin’s system. We let Flynn lead us back to our rightful place at the top of the NFL and then we have Tannehill waiting right behind him to be our next franchise quarterback in a few years. Maybe Flynn will be an amazing franchise quarterback and we have to trade Tannehill for a ton of picks when his rookie contract expires.

Hail To The King, Baby!!!!

by SergeHimself on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Long yet excellent read

2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.

Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.

by Patssuck456 on Feb 5, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

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