If We Switch to a 4-3, Then....
by The Scarecrow on Jan 22, 2012 10:21 PM EST
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Print1. Who becomes trade bait?
2. Who becomes expendable as to create more salary cap room (in other words, who will be released or no resigned)?
3. Who become targets/priorities during free agency?
4. How would this affect our 2012 draft targets?
So what do you guys think? I know we have a versatile D-Line which has been one of our strengths, but if we switched to a 4-3, do you think this would create too much of an overhaul to be practical? I have my opinions but I am interested in the Phinsider Nation's.
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Langford and Soliai would be expendable by not resigning them. Then we'd have the front 7 pretty much in tact.
We could look for a DE like Coples with our top pick if he falls or we can address both that and/or LB later on in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Robert Mathis or John Abraham could be quick stop-gap targets in FA for DE.
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We don't resign Langford and Soliai, saving us about 13 million from last year
we could cut McDaniel, who is owed 3 million next year. We can resign Starks to a long-term contract and play him inside with Odrick. My idea is to trade back and pick up a 2nd round pick, then go after Melvin Ingram in the first and then WR Mohamed Sanu and OT Zebrie Sanders in the second, and then Sean Spence to play 4-3 OLB in the third. Cut Bell and save 4 million and sign LaRon Landry and play him with Clemons/Jones. Go after Carl Nicks at G and Matt Flynn at QB and boom we are set.
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One of them "Young Guns"
All good options...
I dibt know if Sanu makes it to us in the second though.
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Why cut McDaniel?
He’s a starter caliber 4-3 DT. He is somebody we have to keep if we make the switch.
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It all depends
He can definitely play a DT in a 4-3, but so can Starks and Odrick. If Miami did convert and McDaniel was a backup DT, they could conceivably cut him for salary purposes and go with a cheaper option.
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He's already a backup on our line.
If Ireland wanted a cheaper option, McDaniel wouldn’t have been re-signed last offseason. He would have just been let go. Merling needs to go before anybody else.
And him being on the rotation is a big part of why our D-Line is the strength of our defense. I see no reason to cut him.
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It wasn't a bad signing
He filled a good need for Miami,but he didn’t sign for big bonus money, which means Miami could dump him this for for little ramifications. I would too prefer to get rid of Merling over McDaniel, but he’s already a FA and would be cheaper to keep around.
I also agree he was a big part of our strength and our DL and I am not advocating for his release. I’m just saying I can conceivable see him being released if Miami wanted to create extra cap space to make more moves.
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Sure, he could be released,
but that is the only position where we actually have good depth. I would consider it a big mistake if Ireland released him!
I think Soliai alone frees up enough cap space for us to make big moves this offseason, so we shouldn’t have to worry about McDaniel just yet. Plus, Carey isn’t playing that great at Guard either, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him cut and replaced by Jerry or a rookie.
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Soliai and Carey are both UFAs.
The Dolphins have anywhere between $5-$10 million in cap room with those players already considered not part of the team. Obviously, I did say that there are moves that could be made such as resigning Long and Starks that could give us more money, but releasing McDaniel would save Miami close to $3 million. Between releasing McDaniel and Bell (not in favor of cutting both for the sake of just releasing them), Miami can save $6 million. If that money can be used to field competent replacements for them, I’m fine with that. If Miami can keep both of them and still make the moves they need (I believe they can), I am even happier.
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Soliai frees up 12+million alone.
Carey has to be making 3-5 million himself, even after renegotiating last year, so I’m thinking we have $15 million unless someone is due a big bonus this year.
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Not quite.
First, Carey made $2.5 million in 2011. Neither of them are under contract next year. Miami is $5-$10 million under the cap for 2012 without contracts for both Soliai and Carey. They do not count because they do not have contracts for 2012. They free up absolutely no space.
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yuck...
I will be really upset if we switch from a 3-4 back to a 4-3 … we have been running the 3-4 since Saban came here, and we are getting to the point where we are really good at it. Our players fit the 3-4 better… I think if we ran a 3-4 with more man coverage it would be the perfect defense for this team’s strengths. We are only missing one position to run a really dominant 3-4 and that is NT. The better the NT we bring, the better the defense as a whole will become. We have a chance to really be a force if we just get the right guy in here at NT(see Antonio Garay).
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 23, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions
Most of our front 7 players came from a 4-3,
so I don’t know how you think they are more suited for a 3-4.
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regardless where they came from
they are playing at a high level in the current system. That is my one and only reason for not rocking the boat by changing to a 4-3..
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by Phinphinatic on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy either way.
I liked Starks in his limited NT experience, but he wasn’t as good at DE after he switched back. I’d like for it to be a permanent switch if it happens again.
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Miami will run a 3-4
Green Bay runs a 3-4 defense, so Miami will run a 3-4. They’re not going to switch to a 4-3.
That, and our personnel is better suited for the 3-4
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Philbin may not pick someone from the Green Bay Staff...
I like that he is looking for the best coordinator, not necessarily the best 3-4 coordinator…
IF we switch to the 4-3, I would target Mario Williams of the Texans…they are tight at the cap and may not be able to compete with other offers.
IF we get Mario Williams, my 4-3 defense would look like:
LDE Jared Odrick
LDT Tony McDaniel
RDT Randy Starks
RDE Mario Williams
LLB Cam Wake (very athletic), Koa Misi
MLB Karlos Dansby, Marvin Mitchell (really showed something in the Jets game v Sanchez)
RLB Kevin Burnett, Austin Spitler
we would need to resign some FAs to add depth to the line (Alama-Francis or Merling better fits in the 4-3) or draft Tyrone Crawford (Boise State) DE or Bruce Irvin (West Virginia) as a rush linebacker….
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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __QB_ _ _ _ _ Direct Snap WildSCAT Option Attack
by DolphDallas on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Don't ever expect Mario Williams to be a FA. Houston will franchise him if nothing else.
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I know that it isn't much tape
but Cam Wake looked HORRIBLE as a 4-3 olb in the pro bowl last year.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 23, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I prefer Wake a 4-3 OLB since he's better suited for 4-3 DE...
But you’re also not allowed to blitz in the Pro Bowl. Wake’s strong suit has never been coverage and that game is one of the worst places to try and scout someone’s ability in a system. You have players and coaches who are both half-assing it, not all that focused on gameplans or coaching technique within a system, and Wake was prevented from doing what he does best.
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I agree.
And I think we both agree that 4-3 OLB is not the best match for his skill-set.
He should be put in position to rush the quarterback as much as possible.
Definitely
Putting Wake at OLB ina 4-3 would make just as much sense as playing Jason Taylor at OLB in a 4-3. I’d give Joe Philbin’s mother a call and ask her to slap her son across the head.
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I dont see a lot change in front 7 of defense
I think the only guy how can depart will be Soliali
with Odrick, Starks, Wake, Langford, and Merling we can have good rotation no mather whats running.. 3-4 or 4-3
Actually in game situations the defense scheme switch a lot in 3-4 and 4-3 formations… Soliali give this flexibility, but Starks could take this role…
The most important thing was how will be the next DC, but all indicate than we still running a 3-4 flexible scheme.
Misi has a very gray but very important tole in this scheme, he didn’t do a lot big plays, but he close the left side in run and prevent a lot windows for short pass. But in the draft can get other OLB to switch with Misi between Passprotection and QB press.
First of all, I think they'd stick with the 3-4 that they are running in Green Bay.
Second, the Pats started off the season running mostly 4-3 (they have always run a 3-4 under Belichick), and swtiched back to 3-4 in the first Broncos game. You don’t have to completely retool the defense; most guys have played 4-3 in college. Many 3-4 OLB’s were 4-3 DE’s in college. It definitely changes where you need depth, and it changes the requirements from your linebackers.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 23, 2012 3:40 PM EST reply actions
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