2012 Miami Dolphins Mock Draft: Matt Flynn Edition
With the Miami Dolphins hiring of former Green Bay Packer offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, the fan base is beginning to teem with excitement. And after watching the press conference today, I can say that I am one of those fans. He spoke with confidence and with power and it just seems like he's a great choice for a head coach. At the press conference, the media asked Philbin, Ross, and Ireland about several things and one of those things was finding a franchise quarterback. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross has stated that finding a franchise signal caller is the number one priority (as it should be when you don't have one). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that some new quarterbacks will be vying for the title of "Franchise Quarterback for the Miami Dolphins" in 2012. The real question is who that will be.
The hiring of Philbin immediately invited the speculation that he will try to bring soon-to-be free agent Matt Flynn with him from Green Bay. There is a wide spectrum of feelings about this idea amongst fans, from excitement to frustration. I am one of fans leaning toward frustration (I'll get to that in a minute). However, Philbin is familiar with Flynn and if we sign Flynn, that will immediately open up our draft possibilities. We could address several different pressing needs with Flynn penciled in as the starter. Here is my mock draft that would be possible with a Matt Flynn signing.
MY TAKE ON FLYNN
As I have stated several times in various comments, I'm against signing Matt Flynn. I knew that as soon as he had a big game against Detroit, the idea would be floated around here and has now been amplified by the coach signing. There are several positives to Flynn: he's familiar with the coach and system that will be implemented here. He's had some decent production in his limited playing time. But, in my opinion, the downside is much higher than the upside. First of all, we have tried the free agent route before and it has never worked. I won't list all of the quarterbacks we have wasted time on over the past decade. Secondly, he has had only two starts. Though he put up big stats in those starts, he is still very much inexperienced. In those two starts, he passed very well against two very weak defenses (New England ranked 30th in pass defense in 2010, Detroit ranked 22nd in 2011). The biggest issue I have though is with money. Flynn just happened to have a career day in the last game of the season. That means what most people will have on their minds about Flynn is THAT game. That also means that Flynn made himself a ton of money. In order for the Dolphins to sign him, they will have to offer a big contract. I see comments here and there suggesting that we bring Flynn in as "competition" for Moore or a rookie. Well I hate to break it to you, but Flynn isn't coming to Miami for "competition" money. Flynn is going to get a deal similar to what Kevin Kolb got, which was a six year $65M deal with $20M plus in guarantees. Even if Flynn takes a slight discount for following Philbin to Miami, he is still going to get a deal ranging from $7-9M a year. He's not coming here for $3-4M like Matt Moore and he's not going to get paid $7-9M a year to be "competition" for anyone. A major deal like that would eat up most of our cap space and would not allow us to go after key free agents like Carl Nicks or Mario Williams. There will be no deals for Vincent Jackson or Laron Landry or any other wishlist free agent. We definitely wouldn't be able to resign any of our own free agents and may have to cut some key players. If Flynn becomes a franchise quarterback, then it would be worth it. But I would be very hesitant to make a big deal for a quarterback with only two career starts. I'm not a fan of this particular move. That being said, Flynn does have some potential and if Philbin thinks he can be a starting quarterback, then I'll give them my support.
DRAFT TIME
Whether we like Matt Flynn or not, it still looks like a strong possibility that he will be a Miami Dolphin next season. If that happens, here's what I think our draft could look like.
Round 1: Riley Reiff, OT
This pick will most likely change once I learn what defensive scheme we are using. Outside of QB, getting a pass rusher is the biggest need. We have Wake and nothing else. However, since the defensive scheme is unknown at this point, I will post a player at another area of need: right tackle. Reiff is a top tier tackle prospect with good athleticism and technique. He could easily play left tackle, but will move to right tackle here. He will be able to neutralize the pass rush from the right side, meaning teams cannot move their pass rushers around like they did this past season. He will also be open huge running lanes for Bush and Thomas. In the event that Long is injured again, Reiff can move to left tackle without much drop in production. With Long, Pouncey, and Reiff, we would have a great foundation for an offensive line.
Round 2: Coby Fleener, TE
The tight end used to just be the quarterback's safety valve when he was in trouble. With rules favoring receivers now, the tight end has become more of a main threat for quarterbacks. Tight ends are becoming dangerous weapons for teams and are starting to have greater value. Miami will keep Anthony Fasano because he's a good all-around TE. Charles Clay will still around for his blocking and versatility. But everyone else will go and we will need another TE. Fleener would immediately become a receiving threat TE that would give Flynn another weapon in his arsenal. Fleener is a good route runner with plenty of speed to give linebackers problems. He has good hands and presents a big target to the QB. He's not a great blocker, but can add some strength. He has the potential to be a #1 TE, and at worse will be a solid #2 TE. Between Fleener, Fasano, and Clay, we'd have a nice set of weapons that will create some mismatches for teams.
Round 3: Brian Quick, WR
I've talked about Quick before, so I'm not going to give the complete breakdown. Philbin comes from a team that had a deep arsenal of wide receivers. While Miami has some good wide receivers, it can never hurt to add more weapons to help out your new QB. Julius Pruitt may have earned his roster spot based on his ridiculous special teams play, but has done nothing at receiver. Moore and Wallace have some upside, but injuries kept them off the field much of this season and they still haven't shown much production. Those guys have shown some ability, but may not have done enough to warrant a roster spot with the new coach. New coaches usually like to add their own players and Philbin could be intrigued by Quick. Quick would offer Flynn a big target down the field and especially in the red zone.
Round 4: B.J. Coleman, QB
Even with the signing of Matt Flynn, the Dolphins will still draft a quarterback to develop. Coleman is a senior QB from the University of Tennessee-Chattanooga. He transferred from the Tennessee Volunteers after falling down the depth chart. He was a productive QB for the UTC Mocs, ranking second all time in school history in passing yards (6871 yards) in only three years. He has the size and arm to be a good NFL signal caller. However, he needs work on his footwork and mechanics, and will have to make a big adjustment coming from Division I-AA (FCS). But he has some potential and could develop into a good QB working with some good offensive minds.
Round 5: Donta Paige-Moss, DE
We will most likely address pass rusher much earlier in the draft than the 5th round. But as mentioned, I'm unsure of the scheme we will use, so it's hard to project a pick at this point. Paige-Moss offers a good developmental pass rusher to be used in a rotation with Wake and Misi/Merling. He has potential to be a good 4-3 or 3-4 pass rusher. He has the size and strength to bull rush a tackle, but also has the athleticism to get low and bend around the tackle as well. The biggest issue with Paige-Moss is that he suffered an ACL injury in a bowl game in 2011, which means he probably won't be ready for action at the beginning of the season. However, he could be allowed to recover and then develop and may be one of the steals of the draft.
Round 7: Cliff Harris, CB
Now that we are getting into the developmental part of the draft, why not take a chance on a 1st round caliber talent? Harris was a projected as a 1st round pick before the 2011 season began. However, off the field issues have caused his draft stock to plummet drastically. He has the speed, athleticism, and ball skills to be a playmaker in the secondary, but he needs to mature in order to recognize that potential. The Dolphins have some needs in the secondary, especially at the safety position. However, this is a relatively weak safety class and we might be better off sticking with our current players instead of drafting one. At cornerback, we have our two starters, but we need some depth. Will Allen may not be back. Carroll is inconsistent and Wilson still needs some development (he might be better as a safety). Harris would be worth a shot here because the potential outweighs the cost. We have Bell, Dansby, and some other guys on the defense who can try to keep Harris on the straight and narrow. If he can't mature enough to contribute, then it's just a 7th round pick. If he keeps his act together, then we have a possible playmaker with enough ability to play inside at nickel or outside.
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He did explain what type of defence he wanted.
I think if Flynn comes, which I think he will, the ideal situation would be to trade back and grab mercilus. The guys a beast and would make a huge impact next season. Imagine him and wake hunting down the QB?
I think I would go for another pass rusher...
A guy like Melvin Ingram(6’2", 276lbs) would be a good pickup whether we go with a 4-3 or a 3-4. I personally don’t like the idea of completely changing our defense when we were really good last year. I see him as being a SOLB. I see him as a poor man’s Mario Williams.
I also really like Dontari Poe(NT). Whether or not we need to use a 1st round pick on the guy or we could get him in the 2nd round would depend how he does at the Combine. Soliai is a liability to a certain extent. He is good enough to start in the NFL, but he is not the dominant guy that makes the whole defense better because teams have to plan for him. If we don’t land Antonio Garay this year in free agency(my #1 want in free agency) we need to get this solved somehow.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
Also...
I would admit that I have been one of the biggest opponents of picking up a guy like Flynn. As Dolphins fans we have plenty of reasons not to believe. But if anyone knows if Matt Flynn is the real deal, it would probably be the guy that has worked with him for the past couple of years. He could tell us exactly how good Matt Flynn is. He could tell us what kind of leader he is. He could tell us how smart he is. If Philbin is willing to hang his coaching career on this kid, I have to say I wouldn’t be upset with this move.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 22, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
Last thing...
I really want to make sure we pick up Joe Long(Jake Long’s brother) at some point BEFORE a team like the Patriots. We can probably get him in the late rounds. I know he is not as good as Jake, but the potential is there. If he can be a decent backup, I would be ok with picking him up in the later rounds.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 22, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping we trade down
preferably with the Bengals…we need extra picks, even if we can’t get both of their 1’s, we can get a 1,2 and a 3 from our current pick.
As for Flynn, he’s been doing what Rodgers did…sitting behind the starter and learning, I’d prefer someone who’s had the chance to do that, than a rookie that’s going to get thrown into the fire…but as I’ve said before, I like Matt Moore.
Also, wouldn’t if we could deal Soliai for a 2 or a 3…and maybe a later round pick.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 22, 2012 6:41 AM EST reply actions
isnt soliai a free agent?
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by rintintinsoldier on Jan 22, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
If they tag him
they can get picks for him
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 22, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Well that isn't realistic at all.
Paul Soliai’s tag will be worth almost $15 Million dollars in 2012 if applied because the tag value increases by 120% if consecutively given. The Dolphins currently have just over $10 Million dollars in cap space after figuring in the 926,000 approx. that the Dolphins owe in Dead Money. Granted this is before contracts are restructured, players released e.t.c. but a cap of $15 Million dollars for Soliai would cripple the team heading into Free Agency. So the tag is out of the question.
The questions are A. Will the Dolphins remain in the 3-4? B. What type of longterm deal is Soliai going to receive and C.Would he take less money spread out over more seasons in Miami in exchange for not hitting the market?
If the Dolphins do remain in the 3-4, then NT is one of the priorities this offseason. Paul Soliai is one of the best players on the team but he is a situational player who teams can easily gameplan around by simply using certain personnel groupings to either take him off of the field or isolate him on one side of the line. So despite being the asset he is to this football team and the bedrock of the Dolphins 3-4 defense there is only so much money that the team can allocate to a player who takes between 45%-60% of game snaps depending on the team the Dolphins are playing.
He will not get anything close to the $12.318 that his tag is worth this offseason but a team could offer a deal somewhere in the realm of 5 yr. $40 Million or 8 Million in base salary maybe even with $15+ plus million in guaranteed money which is evenly distributed amongst the years of the contract. If he wants to hit the market (which he has no reason not to) can the Dolphins reasonably compete with those figures?
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I thought it had to be within a percentage of the league high for the position
at 120% increase…hell no, let him go. Trade down, get extra picks and draft 1 or 2 DT’s.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
The 120% increase is because it would be his second consecutive season with the tag.
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Just because
Just because someone sits behind another QB for 2-3 years, doesn’t mean they’ll be “great.” In fact, in recent memory, odds are stacked against them. Look at what Kolb did this year, Painter (Colts), Cassel, etc. In recent memory the only one who hasn’t struggled mightly is Schaub…and well Garrard had those few good years, but where’s he now!?
I’m leary of Flynn…..For the money I just have a hard time thinking he’ll out produce Matt Moore, or even Henne, that much greater to justify spending that kind of money. I’ll take Manning instead. I’ll just be happy if Manning hits free agency and he goes anywhere but NY. That’ll mean someone (Skins) making a play for him and maybe RGIII or Luck drops down to us.
I just have a feeling the Dolphins trade back in the draft….or I hope they do anyway.
BTW, what a TANDOM it’d be to get Mario Williams AND Cameron Wake on the same defense. Talk about crazy pass rushing.
Luck and Rg3 r not gonna fall to us wake up dude.
The colts will have luck and even if manning would go to Washington cleaveland will take. Rg3 we would need to give up a lot to move up and Take Rg3 we will never ever ever even get close to luck unless we give up the next 3 draft classes!
by PAPHIN4ever on Jan 22, 2012 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Which is why I said I like Moore....
and absolutely agree on Williams with Wake.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Hasselbeck
sat behind #4 in GB, then went on to becoming a damn good QB. Not elite…but good enough to bring his team to the SB
Draft a top tier TE!
Draft Wishlist: QB, TE, RT, FS, DE (No particular order)
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by tuscanitunr x2 on Jan 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
draft a qb
Let’s take a shot, and draft a qb. Luck and rg3 won’t be there. So we trade our pick for more picks. Free agents never work, let’s find a rookie with an arm and give him weapons
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by carabetta13 on Jan 22, 2012 9:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I have seen several times
where people have us drafting a project QB in the late rounds. Why not take a chance on Case Keenum???
I know he’s a product of a system but it still shows that he can throw the ball down the field with a high completion %. He’s the type of a guy I would like to have a project on.
Yes!
He’s a product of the system but has great upside. I’m also hoping for Coby Fleener/Michael Egnew and Ryan Broyles.
by JuniorCane on Jan 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would not aquire Flynn and pay
him that kind of money off of TWO games.I would keep Moore and draft another QB.Franchise QB’s dont come along very often thats why most of the teams in the NFL dont have one.
The scars run deep
Joey Harrington , Dante Culpepper, Trent Green, I could go on and on. But did any of those guys come from an organization like Green Bay? No. When I look at Green Bay, one thing stands out more than Aaron Rodgers being an elite QB and that’s last year when they were devastated by injuries and second and third string guys came in and played just as good as the first string guys and they won the Super Bowl. Those guys were ready to play when their number was called and that’s all coaching. But I digress, I like BJ Coleman in the fourth round.
CALM DOWN FISHHEADS!!!
I was hopeing mike mccoy would be the new head coach , a coach with
actual play calling experience in a game …
Joe philbin was the offensive game planner but did not call the
plays during the game ???
[ Mike McCarthy DID NOT TRUST Joe Philbin TO CALL THE PLAYS DURING THE GAME,
" YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME" ]
MIKE MCCOY was clearly the better man for this dolphins job.period.
I am sick and tired of this matt flynn/ MCFLY talk, " mcfly has not shown
a dammn thing in the nfl, now you fishheads talking about bringing his sorry
ass to miami!!! "
MATT MOORE is the best QB to come to miami since DAN MARINO and if joe philbin
make changes at the QB position " i will find me another team."
awesome
This alone gives me reason to hope for Flynn or a draft pick at QB.
i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.
by small balls on Jan 22, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
awesome
This alone gives me reason to hope for Flynn or a draft pick at QB.
i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.
by small balls on Jan 22, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bye Front-Runner
Go ahead and find you another team now. Your probably waiting to see who wins the Super Bowl so you can jump on their nuts! We don’t want no fair-weather fans anyway- so BYE !!!
by miamimike71 on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
False
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
so your leaving?
Can we throw a party?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jan 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I love comments like yours.....
They show me I’m not the biggest idiot in the pool.
by blackadder_650 on Jan 22, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's going to happen so good luck with your next team.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
get past the matts
Moore and Flynn are back ups. We need more. Unless Flynn will throw 6 tds every game.. we should of drafted mallet last year
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by carabetta13 on Jan 22, 2012 10:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
lol
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thanks the post earl, and i'm with you pretty much on your positional draft order. it seems to me that all the analysis
of flynn as a qb prior to hiring philbin as coach, was just that — flynn without his mentor. the hiring of philbin changes that analysis and that dynamic. we have now a head coach that worked with brett farve, helped groom aaron rodgers, and who most recent protege, rodgers back up, has had some insance performances. its philbin’s call on whether or not to go for flynn, and as far as i’m concerned, he gets that ‘honeymoon’ period to make some big decisions, which he knows are quite big for his own situation here as well.
so if he wants flynn as part of his system, and we can use the draft to get better in other areas, i’m on board, and i was one of the biggest pushers for selling the farm for franchise,
i especially like the idea of a tight end up high in the draft.
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this draft makes no sense
clay has shown promise and fasano looks like hes finally stepped up his game, TE is not a priority. FS is the biggest need besides RT and QB, yet you failed to draft one in a year with no good FA FS?
Somewhat agree
I’m all in on the Free Safety boat. I’ve been bashing the Phins for the past couple years failing to find a new FS, especially passing on Earl Thomas. But this looks like a bad year for FS’s in the draft class. Jim Leonhard is apparently going to be an FA, but he’s strong safety. Not much else in the FA market. Clay is still technically a fullback and Fasano doesn’t have the speed to be a seam threat. I think Fleener would be an excellent compliment to Fasano/Clay.
This is a very weak safety class...
And FS is a need, but it is behind QB, DE/OLB, and RT in priority. If Wake gets hurt, we have NOTHING behind him at pass rusher… NOTHING!!! Misi, IAF, and Trusnik suck. They aren’t pass rushers at all. And as I said earlier, we don’t know if Philbin will use a 3-4 or 4-3. Depending on that, our first pick if we sign Flynn will either be Coples or Upshaw.
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Wait
Has Philbin announced what defense he wants or not?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions
My strategy
spend all draft picks on qbs. One of them will pan out, right?
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions
Exciting, Explosive Offense screams picking a RT at #8 or #9. LOL
RT is so much more important than players that actually score TD’s. :)
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Packers drafted offensive tackles with their first pick in the last 2 NFL drafts.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Because the Packers didn't need skill positions and were down in the draft.
If the Phins were drafting in the mid to late 20’s, then get that RT. But doing that at #8 or #9 is a waste of the pick, IMO. Especially when the Phins need explosive players at the WR, pass rush, LB position.
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True
But saying the packers didnt need explosive players is false. They ranked last in yards allowed in 2011
by marshallrocks1 on Jan 22, 2012 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I HATE drafting oline/dline in the 1st round. Just pointing out where Joe Philbin came from and the importance they placed in oline.
If we dont move, up or down, we should definitely draft a pass rusher.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 22, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Pass rusher, LB, WR. Those positions are what I would target if the QB is not available.
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Be logical
Come on now. When you have Aaron Rogers and all those weapons along with Woodson, Matthews, and Raji on defense, it’s pretty easy to draft o-line.
by miamimike71 on Jan 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
could say the same about having Bush,Marshall,Starks,Wake,Vontae,Hartline,Fasano,Clay,Bess,Odrick,Burnett,Dansby,an improving Moore,with a qb minded coach,Bess
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and we do have a solid core of players. It all boils down to who falls to us at a higher position of need.
If a QB comes and marks an improvement over what we have, then pick him up, other than that, try to avoid as much reaching as possible.
TBH, though, if we go Oline in the first round, i would rather grab Decastro, in the end it gives us an elite LG at a premium price, something we wont be able to do in free agency, and the position at RT is more solvent with Murtha coming back,and John Jerry already showing he can play the perimeter,especially since both did admirably on the left side this past season.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jan 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
RTs have a MUCH higher positional value than LGs
As good as DeCastro could be, I don’t think it would be a prudent move to draft an interior O-lineman that high. With Reiff, we would have a dominant O-line with Long, Incognito, Pouncey, Jerry, and Reiff. If we can’t win with that line, we just aren’t going to win.
I would probably have drafted Coples in this scenario, because he can still play DE in any scheme. However, I think he is better fit as a 4-3 DE. If we sign Flynn, getting a pass rusher would be the absolute highest priority. If we eschewed a quality pass rusher to draft a guard, that would be a terrible mistake.
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it all depends on Murthas rehab and if they feel Jerry played LT well enough to man the right side on a more permanent basis
If thats the case, then making Decastro the first round pick is the logical choice. What I am saying is that if Jerry plays better on the edge, y ask him to move back to a position he was sub par at. I also am still not sold on Incognitos ability to play Left Guard, especially since it seems to be putting a lot of wear and tear on Long.
The Patriots selected a LG in the first round that just so happened to be the right fit, i feel the same thing could be said about Decastro.
Not to mention that getting a LG that can actually pull would allow us to let Pouncey stick to playing center.
The line looks even better when it looks like this:
Long. Decastro. Pouncey. Incognito. Murtha/Jerry
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jan 22, 2012 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's still a reach to draft a guard that high
when we could get a player at a position of greater impact. Getting a guard at 8/9 when there are several good pass rushers available would be a terrible move. We can win with the guards we have. We cannot win with the pass rushers we have.
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I would prefer a RT in the draft over an OG...
But we can get pass rushing help elsewhere. If we don’t address it in FA (I don’t expect we will), we can look for players like Vinny Curry or Bruce Irvin in the 2nd. Though I wouldn’t be thrilled with a Murtha/Jerry competition at RT. I’d be worried about the position. Now I’d also be happy if we had a line that looked like either one of these:
Long, Incognito, Pouncey, Scott, Reiff/Potter/Sanders
Long, DeCastro, Pouncey, Incognito, Potter
Though the latter would mean a first and third round pick were both used on OL, pissing off a lot of fans.
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Well I dont believe that line play is insignificant. It is very significant. The problem is that the Dolphins
are a very solid club on the offensive line really only having one critical need on the line. Otherwise the unit is IMO one of the strongest units on the team, a major reason for the clubs offensive success running the football and the strongest group as a whole on offense. Far and away the most unfairly maligned unit on the team. Drafting Reiff or Jonathan Martin at #8 or #9 (and both will probably still be availble no matter who wins the coin flip) would a wantom waste of the teams 1st round pick on an area of the team that needs comparitively less improvement due to the strength of the unit as a whole (if that makes sense).
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The critical issue that is handcuffing the Dolphins offense is the lack of offensive explosion
and the coverages that teams can run when they are able to cope with the Dolphins runninggame with base fronts. I talk about it a fair amount in my my first Matt Moore post which will hopefully be completed by next week.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
We have a decent QB, RB's and WR's
we need to get someone who can protect/block and also 1 or 2 TE’s
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Decent QB, RB's, & WR's don't win in the NFL. That's been the problem with the Phins for the last decade.
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I went BPA with the caveat of not taking a defender which I would have if I knew exactly what scheme we were using
What do you want? I drafted one of the better TEs and another WR which is somewhat of a luxury at this point. Since we signed Flynn in this scenario, we weren’t taking a first round QB. I potentially upgraded just about every part of our offense that needed upgrading with this draft. What more do you expect?
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And FS is a need
So not putting one on the board is a mistake
by marshallrocks1 on Jan 22, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The cost pf Flynn...
He may cost some 7-9 mil, but drafting RG3 will cost us a couple 1st rounders, a second, a third and perhaps more. That’s a lot of good players.
Now I love RG3 but if Philbin thinks Flynn is the guy, I got to believe him. Obviously, if Philbin doesn’t go hard after Flynn, it say he doesn’t think he’s able to lead a team.
Assuming he does, though, I’d take Flynn and those 5 or so draft picks then RG3 and no good picks this year or next.
by Scallywag McGee on Jan 22, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions
Just because Philbin was Flynn coach
Doesnt mean he’ll go after him. He may let Flynn sign with other teams to reduce competition to get RG3
by marshallrocks1 on Jan 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The misconception about signing Flynn.
If Miami signs Flynn for $7-$9M per year, that is still a BARGAIN for a Franchise QB. The top QB’s in the league are making between $12M-$15M in the league. The elite QB’s are making even more.
Miami needs to quit “undervaluing” the QB position in get into the fold with the rest of the league. If they want franchise QB play, they need to pay a QB franchise type money.
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"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
How are you a franchise QB with two starts against bad defenses
by marshallrocks1 on Jan 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't necessarily think that you are a franchise QB with only two starts in the NFL.
What I am saying is that the $7M-$9M price tag for a starting quality QB in the NFL is a bargain price. An elite QB, a QB that Miami needs, is twice that.
$7-$9 million a year is Kyle Orton type $$ and that doesn’t even land him in the top half of QB salaries in the NFL.
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"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Orton was overpaid
Offer Flynn 4/$20…take it or move on, if he doesn’t go for it, we stick with MM
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 22, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
It will take more than that to grab Flynn but you can write the contract so that it is more back loaded when the
cap is expected to go up quite a bit (new TV contracts) and write it in such a manner that it’s easier to cut him in a couple of years without killing your cap.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
And roster bobuses over signing bonuses!
That’s what I want if we go after Flynn.
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Yeah those are also important tools in protecting yourself.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bow to Philbin's educated opinion....
My track record of QBs I thought would be good (Leaf, Couch, Harrington, etc) vs ones I was not sold on (Manning, Newton) isn’t very good. I only hope SOME effort is made to address the QB situation in this offseason. I promise not to claim any move is horrible, citing my own ignorance on the matter.
by blackadder_650 on Jan 22, 2012 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like I said...
If Flynn becomes a franchise quarterback, then it would be worth it. But I would be very hesitant to make a big deal for a quarterback with only two career starts. I’m not a fan of this particular move.
If Flynn was a franchise QB, then of course it would be worth it. But Flynn is not a franchise QB yet and no one knows if he’ll be one. The mistake you are making is thinking that Flynn is automatically a franchise QB. What if he isn’t? That would be the same as giving Henne a $9M a year deal. I have no problem paying a franchise QB… when we get one. I’m not sure Flynn is that guy.
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I know that you aren't talking to me but can I just add something? Joe Philibin has been in the NFL for a long time. He isn't ignorant.
He must full well understand that if he elects to bring Matt Flynn to Miami (and I assume that Jeff Ireland would comply with his judgement) that his tenure in Miami hangs upon that decision. If that move doesn’t pan out and the team invests say $9 Million dollars base salary annually over the course of 5/6 years with potentially in excess of $20 Million dollars in guaranteed money (not unreasonable figures considering the necessity of the position, yet massive ones no matter how the contract is structured). If he vouches for Matt Flynn and the team goes sideways, his tenure in Miami is over. He knows this. So his confidence in Flynn would have to be immense for him to bring him to Miami. He has worked with him every day of his professional career so he should and will be held accountable.
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One thing at a time
Lets see worry about who the rest of the staff will be.
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just wondering
if the name scott mitchell rings a bell with anyone? yes, him! he filled in for marino when he was injured. the lions thought they got a star qb. is this the same we would be getting with flynn? yes he has had TWO good games? but does that command a big time contract? i think if this coach is as good with qb’s as we think, then we can stick with moore and use the money to upgrade different parts of the team.
Huge difference. Mitchell did not follow his former OC to his new team. They had no idea what they were getting other then
the game tapes of Miami.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
A few things on Flynn
I don’t think he’ll get as much as Kolb. Kolb held all the leverage against Arizona because the traded for him and had to resign him. I think many teams are skeptical of the decisions because of Kolb and I do think many teams will try to protect themselves by using roster bonuses over signing bonuses. I have no doubt Flynn will be paid, but I don’t think it’ll reach the levels of Kolb.
Second, Miami would be able to use cap space. CT and I were discussing it yesterday and I showed how Miami could use a variety of moves to free up even more space in 2012. Extensions to Long, Starks, and Bell could save Miami money. They can simply cut Bell. They can also cut McDaniel. They can use a roster exception of $1.5M on up to three players and can have unused salary cap roll over into 2012. There are a variety of ways and Miami will be able to go after a few higher prices FAs, including Flynn.
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Also people always look at total numbers in contracts and not the way the contract is written.
You might sign a guy to a 7 year 70 million dollar contract, cut him after 4 and he only made 25 million of it based on how it was written and not the 40 million + that the simple report of 7 for 70 would suggest. Now in that case the cap hit could be huge or negligible depending on how it was written but if it was back-loaded with the idea of a reworking of the contract if the guy worked out then your probably in good shape.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely
Roster bonuses are a great way to backload a contract because they’re not prorated throughout the life of the contract. There’s so many different ways to make it work that it is pointless trying to discuss it.
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So of we wanted Flynn
We would put incentives in to regulate what he makes.
by marshallrocks1 on Jan 22, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Incentives are a different story because you have LBTE and NLBTE incentives that may or may not count against the cap.
If Miami were to sign Flynn, I’d prefer a large part of the bonuses to be considered roster bonuses. If he had a roster bonus in 2015 for $7 million, Miami would not owe him the money if they release him prior to that date. If Flynn is still there in 2015, that means he’s our franchise starter. If he fails, Miami releases him prior to a large roster bonus and they’re not on the hook like they would be for signing bonuses.
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Bonuses are in general charged to the following years cap.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Earned bonuses that is!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Signing Bonuses are Prorated over the Term of the Contract. Roster and workout Bonuses are year specific.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 22, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
See the comment above!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
But LBTE and NLBTE are different.
LBTE incentives count towards the current year of the cap. If a player reaches NLTBE incentives, the money is awarded to the cap the following year.
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Incentives such as games played, yards gained, games won, ect... are figured after the season and
I believe payed at the beginning of the new league year. Otherwise teams could go over the cap by doing that with all their contracts with no ramification.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
That is why there are standards for LTBE and NLTBE incentives.
If a player has an incentive to pass for 3,000 yards in a season, but he didn’t do it in the previous year, it is considered a NLTBE incentive. If he reaches the bonus, the incentive will be added to the following season. If the player did throw for 3,000 yards in the previous season, the incentive is considered LTBE and is already added for the current league year. For players that didn’t play, rookies, and in some other instances, the case of whether or not an incentive is LTBE or NLTBE would go to an arbitrator. If they all counted towards the current league year, there would be no reason to have LTBE and NLTBE incentives.
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Oh yeah I see what you are saying. I always assume that your far less intelligent then you are.
Sorry, its something that I am trying to get over.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
ROFL
That’s messed up! Well played though…
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I am seeking help for my issue......
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by texascowpunk on Jan 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Bacon is on his way...
He wanted me to ask you though if you still had the lotion he brought last time?
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I know not of what you speak.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Great Post Duke. Rec'd
The first round pick is the only pick I throw up in the air. IMO. Not sure if I want that much tied up in the O-Line. It’s not just the first contract. Its the second contract you worry about in terms of CAP. We might want to give Jake a new contract to free up more room 2012. I’ve said it before that the Cap is not a worry for me though. D. Aponte has impressed me over the last couple years. If we get 2-3 upper tier FAs I see no problem with it Cap wise. Trade back is my option in the first. IF WE GET a QB IN FA. We can even trade back and pick up ammo in next years draft if the Flynn experiment fails. We can play with numbers all day on contracts to make it work. Look folks. Play with the TERM and SIGNNING BONUS and we have space on the cap. LOL.
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I am also strongly against Flynn...
but I really like the late round picks. Both Moss and Harris have 1st round talent IMO and if the new coaching staff can get some of that out of them, they will be steals
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I would love to trade the Rams for the 2nd overall pick
And get RGIII, i think he would be a perfect fit for the Miami offense…. and pick up the Defensive pash rusher in Free Agency… Lett Flynn go to Washington or Cleveland.

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