Miami Dolphins Coach Joe Philbin - Thoughts from Packers Fans
With the Miami Dolphins reportedly hiring Joe Philbin as their tenth head coach earlier today, I wanted to get an idea of who Philbin is. What better way to do that than by turning to our SB Nation sister blog, Acme Packing Company.
Brandon, their managing editor, posted a story on the Dolphins hire of Philbin, stating:
"Time will tell if Joe Philbin will make a good NFL head coach, but the Miami Dolphins have got themselves a good prospect. And now there will be a lot of speculation that QB Matt Flynn could follow him to Miami as a free agent.
"I've read that Philbin has been a detailed orientated coach for the Green Bay Packers. He wouldn't have lasted as Mike McCarthy's offensive coordinator for the past five seasons if he wasn't good at running the offense in practice. He doesn't call the plays during the games, but he does a lot to prepare the players and the game plan each week."
Like Brandon said, the speculation about the Dolphins pursuing Flynn will begin very quickly, and will continue until the free agency period stats in mid-March, but that's not the main thing with the Philbin hire. Philbin brings knowledge of the offense of one of the top teams in the NFL. He didn't call the plays, but like Brandon said, if he wasn't good at running the offense and preparing it for each game, he wouldn't have lasted five years in the system.
Five years in which the Packers offense was top 10 every year.
Philbin should bring stability to the Dolphins' coaching position. While he is obviously a risk, given he has never been a head coach or built a staff before, he is a well-regarded coach around the league, and, if he was not named as the Dolphins head coach, would most likely have been hired somewhere else this year or next to be a head coach.
The hire of Philbin should excite Dolphins fans, as the team looks to transition from a power running offense into a more explosive, pass-oriented system. With Philbin, and the offense he ran in Green Bay, the team could finally make that transition and start building into a modern NFL offense.
There are lots of things to be excited about in Miami right now. Philbin's hire should excite a fan base clamoring for some to calm them. Now, the team can begin putting a decade of mediocrity behind them, and start building for the future.
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Yeah Flynn is coming. But if he does good, who cares? I do feel for Matt Moore though.
But this is business. Our Franchise is moving on. We get Flynn, then our draft can be really decent. I am happy.
I sign Flynn if its reasonable and then draft a guy. Have the three play for the position.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I still think we draft a QB at some point.
Maybe Russell Wilson in the 4th round.
by JP 23 on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah we need to freaking do something.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Really anxious to see what we do with the coaching staff
Wouldnt mind Bowles as DC. Clements will most likely be the OC over in GB so who else are we looking at here?
by Goon305Boy10 on Jan 20, 2012 8:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
AWESOME now we get Flynn
and Blackmon miraculously falls to us. Whooo hooo.
Clements might be GB OC though, don't you think?
1st round….now gotta be OLB. 2nd round RT. 3rd round OG. 4th round TE. 5th round RB. maaaaan, this is gonna be a good draft. I’ll release a mock tomorrow. Look forward to it. I’m on such a high we got a new coach.
I'd flip flop the RT and OLB
I think 8 or 9 is the perfect spot for Reiff from Iowa. An OLB would be a reach there unless we traded out of the spot (which I really hope we don’t!)
Any chance that Daboll stays as OC?
I don’t know much about Philbin, but I’m curious to see what kind of staff he can put together.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.
I doubt it.
Philbin will want more of the spread than Daboll has used in the past.
Sept. 26, 2010 - 2013 Draft Kyle Padron Bandwagon
THINK ABOUT IT...
Actually, Daboll was trying to put in a system that used both big play and a solid run game with a middle of the field attack. IMO, he might be on to something that the new HC is willing to implement. HC Phil knows that its gonna take more than the same thing in GB to beat the pats. I dont know the contract situation, but hes here to make a name and win. It might be a passing league but the run game is still a vital part of winning and we had a run game picking up steam as the year rolled on. I’m hoping with us losing DC that at least the offense might stay as is, with a RG. Its a crap shoot, as always, that this might work.
by azchadphin4life on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I hope we keep Daboll too. He was onto something. Just need those plays for inside the ten from endzone. I’m sure DolPhil can work with him.
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
INSERT THE MIND OF DOL..PHIL..CAN....(NOTICE TH_ SPELLING)
The truth hurts… Billieboy is in for a fight and hes gonna loooooossssseeee. The PHILCAN… CAN. And so it will be.
by azchadphin4life on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
Why would we install a spread offense and go away from our solid running attack? If we do a spread offense….Henne is our man! He’d thrive in a offense like the packers. It is just a shame that bush has the season he had and now we move to the spread? Oh great year Reggie, you proved everyone wrong…..now your role is going to be limited.
I hate this trend to a pass happy league.
We need daboll back and Bowles as dc!,
by Jared Maier on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Spread offenses doesn't mean we won't run a lot.
And Philbin will use whatever offense he’s most comfortable with. Personally, I think Bush would thrive in the spread because he’s so versatile.
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I see Bush
doing well. I don’t know if he gets that satisfaction of another 1000 yard rushing season though. I think his ypc could increase with more focus on pass (him outta the backfield or one of the receivers) which could move defenders away from the line. Bush would be even more dangerous than because less traffic up front and then once he hits open space, he is in his element.
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 21, 2012 1:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what about Clements coming here as OC?
by Dolfan256 on Jan 20, 2012 8:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Could be very possible, but I have to think he's the #1 candidate to replace Philbin as OC in Green Bay.
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If Clements stays in Green Bay
I see Philbin bringing in his former boss Mike Sherman for the OC job
by kermit the frogger29 on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Clements might be GB OC. But if he came here I'd be stoked.
I’m real hapy tonight. Good night ya’ll.
highly disappointed
but I’m not gonna write anything negative about our HC.
he has my support.
Not gonna lie I’m not as excited as u claim I should be.
On a COMPLETELY UNRELATED TOPIC
If someone told you we were going to hire a 50 year old former oline/te coach who has never called plays to bring us into the modern explosive era of football, would you be excited?
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions
How often does a head coach call plays?
Most of the time, he doesn’t.
Cam Cameron called plays. How’d that work out?
Tony Sparano called plays. How’d that work out?
Calling plays doesn’t mean anything. He game planned and ran the practices for the offense. He knows the offense, and he knows what he will want to install. Whomever he hires as an OC will call the plays.
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*Cam and Tony called plays before coming to Miami.
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he knows Green Bays offense
does he know how to build an offense around our players?
How come he was in coaching 25 years without getting a coordinator job?
I mean, I’m optimistic but I’m not naive. Why hasnt he been given a chance until now?
Steelers OC is 57 and just retired. How can I get behind this guy to be our next “young Don Shula”?
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
How come he was in coaching 25 years without getting a coordinator job?
He was their coordinator.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
hes been in coaching 28 years
took him 25 years to get his first oc job
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Philbin was coaching in college and remained there...
He earned his first OC position in 1990, his 6th year. You blame him for not being a NFL OC for 22 years until 2007, but he was a college coach until 2003. He was promoted to OC in the NFL in his 4th year.
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by Finhead83 on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He moved up the ladder
extremely quickly once he was hired. And in Greenbay at that. I doubt they would promote trash, on a yearly basis at that.
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What Finhead said. Facts, its important to know them before deciding.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I dont consider a tiny private college without about 2000 students
a real OC job.
Its like putting you mowed your neighbors lawn when you were 12 on your resume to be the CEO of a major company.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
So I should take that shit off there? Great I am tired of reworking that Fing resume.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I looked after my siblings after school
I have experience managing others!
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Actually if you did that you can manage others. I am the oldest of 6 and I can negotiate arguments
like a freaking pro to this day. Not on here but in real life of course.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm the oldest of six too lol
Including little, manipulative twin girls with those puppy dog looks. I grew an immunity!
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
LOL Yeah I am real close to my baby sister and she knows to this day she can get anything from me.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have to call
BS on them alot. They try to throw in tears and sob stories and I know then that they are winding me up lol
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah my sister can get away with murder if its with me even though she is all grown up now.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
you two need to get a room.......too much pda!!
Just one mans opinion...
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
You hush.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Then you shouldn't consider it coaching at all.
Then, it only took Philbin 4 years to go from NFL coach to NFL OC.
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definitely impressive
some ppl are better NFL coaches then college coaches.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
He was OC in college in the 90s.
Why would people be excited over Fisher than? He’s older. So is Billick. Belichick didn’t get his chance as a HC for 20 years either.
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Fisher wouldn't have brought a modern offense, Billick neither
Belichick got a DC job after 10 years in coaching
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
And Philbin got his in 6.
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lol a few years at Allegheny, North Eastern and Harvard
are extremely impressive.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
You can't fault him for choosing college though.
He spent 4 years in the NFL before he became a NFL OC. That is faster than Belichick.
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fine
hes better than Belichick
U win.
lol jk I’m willing to give him a chance. Just not as excited as some of you. The words Green Bay and offense come up and all Dolphin fans just go berserk.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
WE are full of hope
And not knocking the guy from the start. Don’t be such a jilted bride on the guy. He comes from a winning culture, he puts together plans to bury opponents. Let’s hope he can do the same for us.
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I know people want to credit McCarthy over others and he is certainly the largest part.
But Philbin still played a huge role in GB as well with OC. Otherwise why would they even have an OC? He comes from a winning team and GB has offensive success. They also did while getting the most from prospects people didn’t know. I like people that come from successful teams. They’re used to it and will try to replicate the success. I don’t think anyone is saying Philbin will be a huge success, but I do think he has higher potential than others.
I liked McCoy, but I don’t consider him to be coming from a successful team. He gets a ton of credit for adapting Denver’s offense to Tebow. but he was unimpressive in a conventional offense with Orton.
Besides, after this past decade, all we can do is hope.
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Actually, I was more impressed with the difference in Green Bay before and after Philbin showed up.
How about this snippet, GB was 22nd in points scored in 2005 (298) and 2006 (301). the OC in GB was Tom Rossley in 05 and Jagodzinski in 06. So McCarthy added a field goal without Philbin. After Philbin showed up, the offense went from 22nd to 4th (435 points) in 07 to 5th (419 points) in 08, to 3rd (461 points) in 09. The average points scored in a season by Green Bay since Philbin arrived (2007-2012) is 452.6 points. GB’s best year under Philbin (2011) saw them score nearly as many points in 16 games as they had in 32 games the 2 years prior to Philbin becoming OC (560 in 2011 vs 599 in 2005-2006).
Check out this excerpt from my fanpost from back in September (Available in full Here)
If you want to question just how much of that success is due to Philbin, just examine the year before he arrived (Mike McCarthy arrived in 2006 and had Jeff Jagodzinski as his OC) and his first season on the job.
-In 2006 GB scored 301 pts (22nd) tallied 5458 yds (9th) for a 5.0 yds/ply average (T-19th) and picked up 301 1st downs (13th). GB passed for 350 completion on 630 attempts for a comp % of 55.6 () with 18 TDs (T-20th), 18INTs (T-19th) and a net yrdge of 5.8 yds/att (T-17th) while picking up 185 1st downs through the air (10th).GB rushed for 1663 yds on 431 attempts for 9 TDs (T-23rd) and 3.9 Yds/Att (T-18th) while collecting 93 1st downs on the ground (22nd)
-In 2007 GB scored 435 pts (4th), gained 5,931 yds (2nd) for a 6.0 yds/ply average (T-2nd) and picked up 307 1st downs (T-12th). GB passed for 383 completion on 578 attempts for a comp % of 66.3 () with 30 TDs (T-6th), 15INTs (T-11th) and a net yrdge of 7.3 yds/att (3rd) while picking up 210 1st downs through the air (7th). GB rushed for 1597 yds on 388 attempts for 13 TDs (T-13th) and 4.1 Yds/Att (T-11th) while collecting 69 1st downs on the ground (29th)
Despite few personnel changes beyond Philbin, (Not one draft choice that year becae a starter and no free agents were signed from other teams) the Packers beat their previous year’s offensive output in every category except for rushing first downs. But Mike McCarthy was calling plays so it;s irrelevent right? Who do the McCoy supporters think designed the playbook McCarthy was calling plays from?!?!?
You do have to take note that Brett Favre was the QB for BOTH of those seasons so there wasn’t any great change under center. Also of note is how Aaron Rodgers has flourished under Philbin. In garbage time Rodgers went from a comp % of 40.0 in 2006 to 71.4 in 2007 and saw his QB rating jump from 48.2 to 106.0. Seeing as we are about to draft a new QB (In all likeliness) I want Philbin shepherding his career. Green Bay’s offense has stayed in the top 10 in yds/game every season that Philbin has been there (2nd-2007, 8th-2008, 6th-2009, 9th-2010, 8th-2011). Hire Philbin as Head Coach and let him call the offense or hire a head coach that will accept Philbin as his OC.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Summary
Green Bay before Philbin became OC = Bad
Green Bay after Philbin became OC = Very Good
Rogers before Philbin = Garbage in garbage time
Rogers after Philbin = Diamond in garbage time
Favre before Philbin = Old and not that great
Favre after Philbin = Old and great again. Then Old and gone.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I like it
Draft a top tier TE!
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by tuscanitunr x2 on Jan 20, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
your loss guy....2 minutes of my life....muh
Just one mans opinion...
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 20, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
nice bro
Im glad Fins fans are excited, I’m on your wagon
(btw Philbin was on the staff in all the years you’re comparing.)
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
As a positions coach.
As minor as being OC at Harvard lol.
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Philbin wasn't the OC until 2006. He got promoted after two others failed with the same players that Philbin had and Philbin turned it around.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also, welcome aboard the bandwagon.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
It's a good read
Here’s the Cliff’s Notes version
Greenbay
05 OC = Rossly = blah ppg
06 OC = Jag…ski = blah ppg
07 OC = DolPhil = holy SHIT ppg!
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nice stuff!
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Sorry your McCoy truck got derailed.
does he know how to build an offense around our players?
Who do you think built the offense around the players in Green Bay? Both for Favre and Rogers.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Mike McCarthy
point being the offense, whoever built it, was built around an elite qb.
I’m ready to give him a chance. Lets see who he brings in and what he can do. I hope McCoy is complete shit and Philbin is a HOFer. Dolphins success over everything.
"I think we can all agree the best thing about this years Superbowl is the Jets aren't in it. The Jets are a lot like the Yankees...everyone hates them. Only they don't have good players, a winning tradition or a coach who doesn't beat off everytime a player gets their ankle taped." - Daniel Tosh
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Best thing you've said all day.
I’m ready to give him a chance. Lets see who he brings in and what he can do. I hope McCoy is complete shit and Philbin is a HOFer. Dolphins success over everything.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
And to add to it, Philbin's past with OL and TE Coaches has nothing to do with it.
Cowher started as a ST Coach. Belichick started as a TE coach. It’s not about what positions you coached or whether or not you called the plays. It’s about how you prepared your team for Sundays. Why didn’t NO have a drop off when Payton stopped calling plays? Because everything during the week remained the same with Payton and Carmichael.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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HOW OLD R U?????
Im 43 and got a woody. the fish…no, mccoy….no. bowles needs exp. gonna be a good one in a few years.
by azchadphin4life on Jan 20, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Now it'll be interesting to see what we go with for defense.
Personally, I am thinking it’s most likely Bowles returns as DC and we keep the 3-4.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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I have to admit... I was drinking the McCoy cool-aide....but as soon as
this was announced it just feels right…..very psyched!
Thinking about it…we are not far from being contenders….with Philbin we can be contenders now…..with McCoy it may have taken longer…..time will tell but I am backing Philbin 110%!!
I am also for signing Flynn because he has a good chance of success under Philbin + the cost of moving up for RGIII may be too high, sign Flynn, beef up our Offensive line though the draft, draft a good TE + better our D…look out!!
I was with you sir.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
JP You should NEVER drink a cooler. NEVER EVER EVER! And do you know why?
Because you are a dude.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Now you write that down and don't forget it.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
good advice, everyone throw out your zima's !
founding member of the dolphins really old bastards fan club GO PHINS... TO THE GRAVE BABY!
by daytonadolfan on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
No you keep them for the ladies. The ladies love that stuff.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
hey, they drink what i'm drinking or they bring their own!!!
which is what I want to say, but reality is " sure honey, rasberry cooler coming right up" !
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by daytonadolfan on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...they drink whats avail...or it's BYOB for them
Draft a top tier TE!
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by tuscanitunr x2 on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think he was talking wine cooler....just a cooler
Just one mans opinion...
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by MagicDolphin on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Whats just a cooler? Some sort of other girl drink?
Lets ask Nicky. Whats your take Nicky?
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 21, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think they hired Philbin because
Flynn would be easy to convince to change teams also.In retrospect and after reading the article above our blogs,they got him because he has inside knowledge of the Packers offense.Also now they have two similar offensive minds on the team the Fins current OC is a pass first type of coach also.One of the things these two offensive gurus have to solve is RED ZONE SCORING RATIO more Tds than fgs in that area 20yards from the goalline.How many years have they struggled with the same problem.If they can rectify this weakness on the Fins offense minimum +3 wins.In my estimation 6-10 becomes 9-7,ad more talent in free agency and the draft a ten win season is very possible.
I will say this about Philbin.
I wasn’t high on the sign Matt Flynn. I still prefer RG3, but I am at least less concerned if we do sign Flynn because Philbin is familiar with him. I think Philbin will at least know how to design an offense around him. In fact, I’m more comfortable going forward with Matt Moore as well, though that is far from my top choice.
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Me too
I am at least less concerned if we do sign Flynn because Philbin is familiar with him.
If we had gone with McCoy and signed Flynn I wouldn’t have been nearly as comfortable.
I still want RG3 though. :)
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Alright I'll hope on board. Philbin it is.
Now he can bring on some Packers offensive players and Coaches with him without dismantling our defense, this could be a quick turnaround.
by JP 23 on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't want a quick, fluke turn around
I want a sustained, progressively better overall team until we are the AFC Powerhouse Champs. No more 2008 fools gold years (and this year is that four year easy schedule anniversary).
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Welcome aboard. Been driving the Philbin bandwagon since last September. Always room for more.
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by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
So did Ross make this hire or Ireland?
In one of the previous threads it said Ireland was leaning toward McCoy and Ross was leaning toward Philbin. I also wonder how much involement in the process Carl Peterson had if any.I would really rather have football people making these decisions.
I heard Armando say on NFL net work that Ross loved Philbin’s “calm demeanor”. Kind of the opposite I want in a coach but it works for some people … .Tony Dungy, Tom Landry……. who were some other sucessful lower key guys?
I will get behind Philbin no doubt about it. I wish the man all the best.
by scrappy the wildcat on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 PM EST reply actions
Peterson really fell out of the picture after Fisher.
Who knows what truly went behind doors. Obviously, the media got many things wrong with their reports. We don’t know who Ireland and Ross both initially preferred.
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you got to figure after 8 hrs of interviewing mc coy on thursday that this was the right way to go
And my choice from the start, really looking forward to moving forward with phinbin
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by smokinjoe699 on Jan 21, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
If Philbin pursues Flynn then that means he thinks highly of him.
If they don’t pursue Flynn then that might show the rest of the league that Flynn might not be thought of to highly by the coaches in GB.
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by PhinsAllDay on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah the fact is the man that know what he can and can't do better then anyone is now our HC so if they go after him
then I am fine with it and if they do not then I am fine with it.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I was nervous we were going to pick
McCoy and am glad we got Phinbin. We either need to keep Bowles as DC or bring in a good mind, because I want our D to keep improving. I’m quite comfortable about the possibility of our offense getting better.
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Some may be nervous about Phinbin
because of Sparano, but Phinbin was much more integral to the Packers’ offensive success than Sparano was of the Cowboys’ offensive success. I’ll take Flynn over moving up in the draft and having to give either Long or future draft picks up. Flynn vs. Moore for starter in ’12. If Flynn fails, we, of course, are back on the QB hunting horse again.
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Puttin all doubts aside. Time to get pumped for the Dolphins!
The #Packers’ best-kept secret is no more. Joe Philbin is out the gate. Apprenticed under Kirk Ferentz and Mike McCarthy. More than ready.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions
I will say this, if his does fell Flynn is ready and lets say he is, that would do us a great favor, trade back and pick up picks, get a few lineman, OLB, FS andmaybe a stud Wr
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sorry this is completely irrelevant but i just found it… this is stupidity in its highest form, and i love stupidity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrU_ef7DQgs&feature=related
All I got to say is congrats.
Now take all the time you need to care for youself and your family.
Football can come later.
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Amen to this
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by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Packer fan here
Congrats on hiring Philbin. He’s a well respected coach around the league. He may not have called the plays on a regular basis, but he has done it a few games here and a few games there, in which the offense didn’t skip a beat. His success isn’t from calling plays though, it’s from being a detail oriented coach and working closely with his players. Having a relationship with his players is very important to him, so he will work his offense around his players’ strengths.
I can see some speculation in signing or trading for Matt Flynn. Personally, I would do it. I don’t see Luck and RGIII falling past the Redskins in the draft. Therefore, you can get an immediate starting QB for maybe a 2nd Round Pick. No, Flynn doesn’t have a strong arm. However, he is a very smart QB that can change the plays at the line. He makes a lot of smart decisions and always knows where to go with the ball. Above all else, he knows the Packers Offense and has a relationship with Philbin. The Packers maybe could’ve got a 2nd Round Pick for him last year had they not declared they wouldn’t trade him. That was all after his solid performance against New England. Then he comes back this year and puts up twice as good of a performance against another playoff team! Not only that, but he broke the Green Bay Franchise Record with 6 TD’s. Some of you may be weary of signing Flynn because of the Matt Cassel and Kevin Kolb deals in recent years, but I can assure you Flynn will do just fine if he’s put in the right situation. Him pairing up with Philbin sounds like a good situation and a good offense for Miami.
Good luck moving forward Dolphin fans, and congrats on getting yourselves Coach Philbin!
One game at a time...
Thanks for the information and thanks for stopping in!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the info
See you on February 3, 2013? lol
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Thanks, JB
We’re really excited about DolPhil and what he potentially brings to Phins. We respect your organization and that’s why we are sure he will be a great asset. And if we get Flynn, we know DolPhil will feel he’s the guy we need to lead us to the top. Thanks for your class and vote of confidence on Flynn.
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 21, 2012 6:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh and a big "thank you" to the New York Giants for making him available as soon as possible!
I’m looking forward to see what he brings to the franchise. I still want RGIII though haha
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folks:
rg3 or luck may or may not pan out. if this guy is good with qb’s then moore shouldn’t be a problem. i thought moore played very well. we need an olb and ol, first and second! find another qb in free agent market. sorry, but i am just not keen on qb’s coming out this year except maybe the kid from georgia. stafford turned out well, and i think murray could be too!
Keeping Moore
as my primary plan would be my backup plan. I understand what you are saying about him developing Moore, but I still at least attempt getting a great (if not franchise) QB. Someone who will consistently win, even if the team plays poorly. A playmaker QB. Then, let DolPhil make him look even better.
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 21, 2012 6:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Might have missed a tiny bit of info there...
His 20 year old son just died no more than a week ago.
This is bad from all angles:
Normal human-social behavior:
-He can`t go on with the interviewing process, even if he decides to, he flunks because he is falling apart.
- If for some reason he does get the job, he can’t focus and be successful in a job that requires an inordinate amount of passion. 99% of people in this situation can’t hold their shit together in a 9 tp 5 job, let alone this one that actually demands of you to be happy and excited.
Abnormal behavior (time frame wise):
- He goes on with the interviewing process the same week of the death.
- He Aces the interview
- He’s all excited and whatnot.
- Doesn’t take a reasonable amount of time to even ponder if he should take a season off, or stay as an assistant coach in order to spend more time with his family after such a tragedy. No, he just takes a supposedly extremely time consuming job which will also obviously require moving the rest of the family from a rural low key area to south beach. So the support system of community and friends for the grieving process is gone for the rest of the family, especially the teenagers.
What could happen?
Well, you either have a sociopath (clinically speaking) that won’t miss a beat – as he already proved. Or you’ll be stuck with a ticking time bomb of repressed emotion combined with a ridiculously stressful job.
I’m really not criticizing him or really give a crap about calling out the moral and ethics of this guy. I’m just trying to see this from the point of view of the organization. Because it just seems ridiculous that this same guy’s state of mind and mental health would have been questioned if he was seen at a swingers bar or were into anime porn, but his son dies days ago and nobody is even mentioning it? Again, not for the human, ¨character¨ or ethics part of it, but the just for the mental health part of it, from the ¨is it possible this guy’s head is fucked up?
Football wise, great move. With Sparano this team was playing ridiculously simple football. They needed a sophisticated and modern mind badly.
A very normal rection to a tragedy like this is to bury yourself in your work.
There’s no telling how this will affect his performance but it doesn’t automatically mean he’ll fall apart.
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by PhrozenPhish on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone responds differently.
You can;t say he’s a sociopath because he takes the job. He still has several more months (May) before he starts coaching. That is a normal amount of healing time for people to return to work.
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Right. I'm using ¨sociopath¨ simply as abnormal human-social behavior.
Which it is just by the numbers alone.
But the thing is not so much that – as it is very subjective, but why it should definitely be a talking point.
I remember David Akers missed a couple of cheap-shot fgs last year against the packers in the playoffs because a couple of days before he was told his daughter had a very good chance of being terminally ill. And that’s just a chance. Plus a little girl, which takes away the ¨guilty¨ factor Philbin has to be feeling right now. (the son had already been in trouble before and apparently he wasn’t coerced by anybody into righting his shit)
And David couldn’t do the simplest job in all of sports (preparation wise). Philbin just goes in there and nails a CEO’s like process.
It will be interesting to see.
Point being
Akers responded like most people would have – he lost it (interesting to add that his happened even though he basically makes a living by keeping his shit together at borderline times).
Philbin: First reaction: Incredible. Is that good or bad?
Future: this is what will be really interesting to see.
But that was just days before.
Philbin will be coaching in several months. It’s not like we’re expecting Philbin to coach a game in two weeks or in a month even. There is a big difference between Akers and Philbin.
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The interview though-
Which in my opinion is tougher than preparing and coaching a game, was just days after. That’s what I was referring to.
Philbin's son disappeared the day after his first interview and was found dead 3 days after the interview.
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He said he would still move to Miami if offered the job last week
Although not even close to being on the same level but I played a hockey game 2 days after my mom died, the team she was the manager for.
She wouldn’t have wanted me to stop living just because she wasn’t around, so I didn’t. Only he will know what is best for him and I am sure there was some discussion in the interview.
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I hope his head is in the right place
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Missing out on Harbaugh last year really sucked……..but this is really good! I wish JP all the luck in the world, not only because I’ve been a Dolphins Homer since 1971, but hopefully it will help move on from his son’s passing.
On the football front…..I like Matt Moore alot and would love to see him get another opportunity with a full offseason and training camp. Additionally, no one in the league knows more about Matt Flynn than our new head coach. So, if we pony up the dough for him or we don’t pursue him at all, I’m cool with it. I’d like to think he’s great and we’ll sign him, giving us a Matt-squared QB situation. That would eliminate the need to draft a QB and we can focus on OT or OG, OLB, CB or S, TE. Woo!
Draft
My two favorite draft scenarios:
A.
1. RT to replace Columblow. Donald Thomas/Vernon Carey at RG
2. OLB
3. CB or FS
4. TE
B. Trade down in the 1st for another 2nd
1. OG (Donald Thomas RT?)
2. OLB
2. OLB
3. CB or FS
4. TE
Sub John Jerry for D. Thomas
(I think that’s what you mean)
I really like the thought of Pass Rusher first and foremost, but a stud RT would be great…..
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Phins back in it in 2012
And a really great TE would also b good, let’s get it done, go Joe!
by PAPHIN4ever on Jan 21, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whatever happened to that dude anyway?
Last I heard he was a Steeler, but I don’t know if he was playing much…..
Bienvenidos a Miami Coach Philbin!
anyone know of a great TE that will b FA?
by PAPHIN4ever on Jan 21, 2012 10:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Finley is the best option, but I expect him to get the franchise tag.
Fred Davis is a solid option, but he’s one drug incident away from being suspended for a full year.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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An argument against McCoy
McCoy gets credited for turning Denver’s season around and adapting to Tebow’s style of play. However, as a starter the offense has only averaged 18.6 points per game under Tebow. Compare that to the 24.4 points per game that the Dolphins got out of Chad Henne in his first year as a starter (against much better competition at that). Often times, offenses under first year QBs have success because defenses don’t know how to prepare for them. Henne was 7-3 in his first ten starts, before losing 3 straight to close out 2009 and imploding in 2010. Tebow was 7-1 before imploding and losing 4 of his next 5.
The only way I can think of examining McCoy’s offense under Tebow to see if it has any chance of being sustainable is to look at the teams that Tebow faced twice this year. The only two teams that qualify are New England and Kansas City. Both rematches were ugly losses. The offense managed a mere 6.5 points per game (against the 11th and 31st ranked defenses) and Tebow’s QB ratings in those games were 20.6 and 52.7, with the latter number being boosted after amassing 100 passing yards in garbage time. And most importantly, the offense regressed significantly in the rematch game.
McCoy did admirably considering that he had to adjust to having a glorified fullback under center, but in the end his offense was every bit as gimmicky as the Wildcat was for us in 2008. Our success didn’t last and his won’t either. I don’t know about you, but I really don’t want to rely on gimmicks anymore. I’m glad Philbin got the job.

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