Miami Dolphins Coaching Candidates Down To Two
Last night, reports started floating that the Miami Dolphins coaching candidates had been narrowed from three finalists to two. Dolphins interim head coach Todd Bowles was reportedly the odd man out, with the decision coming down to either Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin or Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy.
Which brings up this morning's question. Which of those two would your prefer?
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At this point
I’ll be happy with either of the two. Didn’t want McCoy but I’ve been lured in by articles. If I really had to choose though… Philbin
by Goon305Boy10 on Jan 20, 2012 5:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
dolphin coach
as long as it,s somebody not linked to the DALLAS COWGIRLS which is all we,ve had since shula got dumped i,ll be happy
by dolphinfan55555 on Jan 20, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest I'd be happy with either.
But I just think this McCoy appointment is imminent. If it is him, we need to get behind the guy. There was an article suggesting the guy can make lemonade out of lemons. I’m fine with that. Lets make this appointment and start planning for this offseason!
I agree I am behind either one
I lean towards McCoy. Because the demand for Philbin isn’t as high as McCoy. That tells me people smarter then me at football think he is a good choice.
I also think if McCoy does not pan out when then the Dolphins can change the GM and coach next season. There is also the possibly of better coaching options next year.
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I think the pole doesn't agree with you
78% are in favor of Philbin. We’ll call that the silent majority.
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I think he was referring to other football organizations being more interested in McCoy than Philbin.
LOL at believing miamimaniac thought the fan survey were people that knew more about football than him.
by mjams on Jan 20, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then he should have been more clear. I've read it numerous time and I don't see that suggestion.
Just LOL at mjams
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We better keep Bowles as DC
would mean alot to the players. having two different HC in a season and not having either on the coaching staff the following year would be difficult on them. so to keep the one who kept the team together to end the season as DC would be great
by west coast phinfan on Jan 20, 2012 5:59 AM EST reply actions
I hope Bowles stays as DC or something
I believe he’ll make a good HC one of these days.
As of now, I don’t care which one we get. But Philbin is still my #1.
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my choice was philbin from the start, mc coy doesnt impress me
but what do i know im just a fan like the rest of us
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at this point, i like both
Either would be good choices. Like I said In the other post. Philbin will make the players play better, while McCoy will make it seem like the players are playing better. The positive with McCoy is that, no matter which players we have, McCoy will gameplan to use the strengths perfextly.
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Carolina OC Chudzinski for HC.
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by AnishB15 on Jan 20, 2012 6:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The Denver media has been reporting Mcoy
to the fins since last night but its yet to be confirmed 100 percent
That's why I'm not going with it yet.
Remember, the St. Louis media was reporting Fisher to Miami also.
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Philbin
McCoy is taking credit for his defense and his team winning in spite of Tebow
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Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.
Btw
Do you sleep mosul? You’re always putting out articles, regardless of what time it is. Are you on call all day and night? Get some sleep man.
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Carolina OC Chudzinski for HC.
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by AnishB15 on Jan 20, 2012 6:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
no dude don't tell him that
What the hell will I do without non stop phinsider reading?
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Has anybody asked Denver fans what they thought of McCoy ?
Would be nice to hear someone whose on the other side
by Goon305Boy10 on Jan 20, 2012 6:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
From what I've read...
Broncos fans are going to have a celebration if McCoy gets the Dolphins job. They pretty much want him gone…
Might be what's going on with the Denver media
Wishful thinking. Either way I’m behind our next coach.
"Football isn't a contact sport; it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Vince Lombardi
I have wanted Philbin since back in September. The opinion here seems pretty obvious.
McCoy is getting tons of praise for tailoring an offense to Tebow. Does that make him one step above Dan Mullen (OC at UF for Tebow’s first season)? Maybe we should get Mullen instead since he has been a head coach (Mississippi State). Are we all forgetting that with a beast of an athlete (Tebow) at QB, McCoy managed to go 7-4 despite going 1-4 with Orton (Who McCoy supposedly gets the best out of)? Hell, Sparano went 7-6 with Henne in 2009 and nobody is talking about him being a great coach (Granted he didn’t adapt anything for Henne). The Broncos made the playoffs after blowing 3 games ONLY because they A) Had a great defense and B) played in the AFC West. Think about that. The AFC WEST! Are we really going to stake the future of the franchise to a guy that went .500 out west?
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
Mike McCarthy had the 32nd ranked offense as OC
For the 4-12 49ers before taking over Green Bay. Conversely, Josh Mcdaniels was the OC for a 11-5 NE team that had the 5th ranked offense. Do I think he’ll be like either of those guys? I have no idea but don’t judge a book by its cover, let the professionals decide. They know infanetly more than we do about running an NFL franchise.
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You said it exactly
Mike McCarthy had the 32nd ranked offense as OC for the 4-12 49ers before taking over Green Bay.
How about this snippet, GB was 22nd in points scored in 2005 (298) and 2006 (301). the OC in GB was Tom Rossley in 05 and Jagodzinski in 06. So McCarthy added a field goal without Philbin. After Philbin showed up, the offense went from 22nd to 4th (435 points) in 07 to 5th (419 points) in 08, to 3rd (461 points) in 09. The average points scored in a season by Green Bay since Philbin arrived (2007-2012) is 452.6 points. GB’s best year under Philbin (2011) saw them score nearly as many points in 16 games as they had in 32 games the 2 years prior to Philbin becoming OC (560 in 2011 vs 599 in 2005-2006).
Check out this excerpt from my fanpost from back in September (Available in full Here)
If you want to question just how much of that success is due to Philbin, just examine the year before he arrived (Mike McCarthy arrived in 2006 and had Jeff Jagodzinski as his OC) and his first season on the job.
-In 2006 GB scored 301 pts (22nd) tallied 5458 yds (9th) for a 5.0 yds/ply average (T-19th) and picked up 301 1st downs (13th). GB passed for 350 completion on 630 attempts for a comp % of 55.6 () with 18 TDs (T-20th), 18INTs (T-19th) and a net yrdge of 5.8 yds/att (T-17th) while picking up 185 1st downs through the air (10th).GB rushed for 1663 yds on 431 attempts for 9 TDs (T-23rd) and 3.9 Yds/Att (T-18th) while collecting 93 1st downs on the ground (22nd)
-In 2007 GB scored 435 pts (4th), gained 5,931 yds (2nd) for a 6.0 yds/ply average (T-2nd) and picked up 307 1st downs (T-12th). GB passed for 383 completion on 578 attempts for a comp % of 66.3 () with 30 TDs (T-6th), 15INTs (T-11th) and a net yrdge of 7.3 yds/att (3rd) while picking up 210 1st downs through the air (7th). GB rushed for 1597 yds on 388 attempts for 13 TDs (T-13th) and 4.1 Yds/Att (T-11th) while collecting 69 1st downs on the ground (29th)
Despite few personnel changes beyond Philbin, (Not one draft choice that year becae a starter and no free agents were signed from other teams) the Packers beat their previous year’s offensive output in every category except for rushing first downs. But Mike McCarthy was calling plays so it;s irrelevent right? Who do the McCoy supporters think designed the playbook McCarthy was calling plays from?!?!?You do have to take note that Brett Favre was the QB for BOTH of those seasons so there wasn’t any great change under center. Also of note is how Aaron Rodgers has flourished under Philbin. In garbage time Rodgers went from a comp % of 40.0 in 2006 to 71.4 in 2007 and saw his QB rating jump from 48.2 to 106.0. Seeing as we are about to draft a new QB (In all likeliness) I want Philbin shepherding his career. Green Bay’s offense has stayed in the top 10 in yds/game every season that Philbin has been there (2nd-2007, 8th-2008, 6th-2009, 9th-2010, 8th-2011). Hire Philbin as Head Coach and let him call the offense or hire a head coach that will accept Philbin as his OC.
Soak all of that in for a minute. Especially take note of the last paragraph. Look at how Philbin’s presence impacted Aaron Rogers performance. People are talking about McCoy because he adjusted the offense to suit Tim Tebow. He ran a freaking college option-based offense with the most successful option QB in history and people are acting like the man is a genius. further consider how many times Tebow was caught behind the line of scrimmage and through pure athleticism broke free and generated positive yardage. Was that brilliant play calling? No, that was heart you can’t measure from Tebow.
The prognosticators are giving McCoy credit for making Tebow look good but the reality is a virtual 180 twist from that. Tebow’s completion % sucked. Partly due to Tebow’s accuracy no question there, but how many of those incompletions were throwaways to avoid a negative play? He only had like 8 to 10 of those against New England this past Sunday. Why did Tebow have to throw the ball away so much? Answer: no one was open down field and the O-line was getting shredded. Despite the mad bull pressure that NE was sending, McCoy kept calling hand offs and long routes that were getting blown up left and right. Where were the short slants designed to net 5 yards a completion? How about a swing pass to Demarius Thomas? How about that it took Denver 4 quarters of play before they finally ran a play action pass against Pittsburgh? Adaptation my ass!
McCoy is no great offensive savant. He rode a surge to stardom where all he did was call an option offense that generated 19.3 points per game. In McCoy’s 3 years at Denver the Broncos have finished 20th, 19th and 25th in points scored but this is the man with the solution for being competitve against the AFC East?!?!? His supporters immediatly credit him for the #1 rushing offense in the NFL but try to sweep that 21st ranked pass attack under the rug by blaming Tebow. Who the hell do they think did the running?!?!? Denver had 2630 rush yards this past season (16 Games, 164.38 yards per game). Tebow had 660 rush yards (11 games, 60 yards per game). In other words, Tebow was around 36% of the run game no small portion of which came on busted pass plays. If you count the whole season, Tebow accounted for 25% of the running game in Denver despite spotting everyone else 5 games. Denver was actually 6th in rush yards per carry. The Entire Broncos team sans Tebow averaged 4.65 yards per carry while Tebow averaged 5.4. Hell, Reggie Bush averaged 5 yards per carry under Daboll in a conventional scheme. Still, Tebow was made better by McCoy not the other way around right? I mean it’s not like Tebow was the one breaking the tackles and running the football. Oh, Wait.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
He had Willis McGahee at RB..
I’ll let you just think about that one for a sec. There’s a reason why the Broncos are his 3rd team, he’s not that good! Wanna know why we almost traded for Kyle Orton???? Because McCoy made him good. Period. McCoy can get the best out of Matt Moore (ala Harbaugh with Alex Smith in San Fran) and then hopefully we’ll draft a RT this year and we just got an incredibly explosive offense that quick.
McGahee was the #15 rusher in the NFL amongst all rushers with at least 100 attempts. Better than Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Maurie Jones-Drew, and the list goes on and on. McGahee was not a liability. Maybe you should think about that for a sec.
Kyle Orton played no better in those 2 seasons than Matt Moore played this season so what is special about McCoy’s work with Orton? Orton had an 86.8 QB rating in 2009 and 87.5 in 2010 as the unchallenged starter each year. Moore posted an 87.1 QB rating this year after taking over roughly 4 games into the season.Matt Moore actually posted a better QB rating in Carolina AFTER McCoy left for Denver (67.0 in 9 games in 2007 and 98.5 in 7 games in 2009). So please explain McCoy’s great developmental reputation regarding QBs because it really isn’t anything special especially when you directly compare it with Philbin’s. I bet this info comes as a tremendous shock to you so take a few minutes and absorb it and then maybe re-evaluate your opinion of McCoy.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 20, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
LOL okay so McCoy had nothing to do with Jake Delhomme then either, right?
Do some research bro. Kyle Orton was bad in Chicago but suddenly actually became relevent when he came to Denver… OBVIOUSLY it was because he had so many weapons in Denver, had nothing to do with McCoy, youre totally right.. Oh yea and youre gonna start the QB rating debate then? Thats not a flawed system or anything.. The Matt Moore in ‘07 was young and inexperienced, but in ’09 he was more knowledgeable both of football in general and of his offense. It only makes sense that he’d be better, but nope, I guess you dont feel like considering the inexperience factor
And then there’s Willis McGahee… He was a career 4.1 yds per carry AFTER including this past season. His 4.8 per carry is .1 better than AP and Ray Rice and Jones-Drew… What was your point there again? I mean, .1 yards!!!!! OMG!!!!! He’s amazing!!!!!! Had nothing to do with John Fox’s ability to make any RB in his offense look good.. Think Mike Shanahan, is any RB for the Redskins actually good? No.
I like both but I choose McCoy
He describes what Ross said he wanted a young coach who could (hopefully) become a Don Shula
I like both but leaning towards McCoy...he seems to have that "it" factor
From what I have read about him…kind of excited we didn’t get Fisher…which is a change of heart for me!
Same. We wouldn't have changed much under Fisher. Thank god Shottenheimer isn't coming!
Instead we’re going to see a vertical passing game, whichever candidate comes. That excites me. Throw in RG3 and this could be the start of something special. But, lets take one step at a time.
by BahamaDolfan on Jan 20, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
Either can work with a QB so I'm good with that
I prefer coaches that will adapt to the talent on the team versus adapting the talent to the scheme. McCoy has done that and succeeded so I voted McCoy for that reason. Oh and forget pointing at the 1-4 start with Orton. Look at the body of work not just 5 games.
Ross is Making a Choice Between Two HC/QB Combos Here
I’m pretty sure this is gonna play out one of two ways:
1.) We choose McCoy. Subsequently we trade up in the draft, snag RG3, and bet on McCoy’s flexibility and innovativeness to build an offense that works around him, a la Timmy Teebs.
2.) We choose Philbin. Subsequently we use him to lure Matt Flynn (who’s had precisely ONE great game) for hopefully not an ungodly sum, trade down in the draft, shore up our O-line and free safety spot with 2 1st-rounders, build an offense similar to Green Bay’s and hope Flynn can execute.
I see track 1 as the high-risk high-reward play, and 2 is the more conservative track (though still with a lot of ifs/hopes). It’s a judgment call.
Do you hit on 16 with the dealer showing a 10-card? If so, go McCoy. If not…Philbin.
I kind of seeing it unfolding that way as well.
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I'm partial to DolPhil(bin)
however, using your logic, I’d clamor for McCoy. I think RGIII is going to be really special and he would tip my vote to McCoy over Phil (even WITH Flynn in tow). This will be interesting.
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 10:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Same Boat
Assuming it plays out like I THINK it will, I’m with you Phinomenol.
Talk about
exciting the fan base!
by PhinNomenol! on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mc Coy is an offensive coradinator
The Fins just got a new one last year.In following Ross’s logic of continuity Bowles will be the new defensive cordinator and I think Philbin will be HC.
oh my bad both candidates are oc's
I still think Bowles will be DC but now I dont have a clue as to the new HC.Whoever is willing to work with is it Davoli the new oc the phins aquired last year.Or is this continuity notion just gum flapping,by master negoitiator Ross.
WHAT DO WE REALLY KNOW ABOUT THESE TWO?????
Presently, the team has no coach, No defensive co-ordinator. I am not sure of status of Brian Dabol. There is a new QB and new RB’s. We are looking to hire a virgin Head coach.
My question is Who are these Two??? It is not like he will be walking into a situation with a full support system. At least we knew Jeff Fisher has been around and done this for a while!!
Joe Philbin 58 yrs old, 19 years college experience, worked in NFL since 2003 for Green Bay. NO DEFENSIVE EXPERIENCE, NO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE
Mike McCoy 39 yrs old. 2000-2008 worked at Carolina as passing game coach, QB coach and in 2001 was wide recievers coach. Last 3 years he was offensive coordinator for Denver.
Both of these choices are REALLY SCARY!!!
So is the dark!!!!
Both of these choices are REALLY SCARY!!!
There is no other alternative, and don’t mention Billick, Marty Schottenheimer or the others currently in broadcasting, none were ever an option.
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Is it too late to interview charlie sheen?
winning, and a health supply of tiger blood rather than gatoraid could really boost our morale.
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Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.
Go Dolphins!
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"Football isn't a contact sport; it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Vince Lombardi
I believe that it's McCoy which the are trying to convince Bowles to stay as
DC….the players really liked Bowles….will keep continuity while adding the Spark and leadership of McCoy!
Just a theory!

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