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Beware of Fools Gold: Bill Polian

Voice in my Head(may also be the voice of Dolfans who share this opinion): Did you hear that Bill Polian just got fired

Patssuck, who is now questioning his sanity upon learning he has a voice in his head: Yes and WHO THE F***

ARE YOU?

Voice in My Head: You should know who I am, I'm the voice that told you your dog was looking at you weird when you got blazed last tuesday.

Patssuck: OH Man I got so high that night...but why do you sound like Tyler Durden

Voice in My Head: Oh that just the way you imagined a split personality would sound like.

Patssuck: How do you know that and I dont?

Voice in my Head: It has to do with your subconscious or something like that, it would take too long to explain, but thats not why I'm here, I think the Dolphins should hire Bill Polian and I am going to tell you why.

Patssuck: I am going to tell you thats not a good idea.

Star-divide

ViMH: Here is Premise #1:

Bill Polian built one of the most dominant teams of the 1990s; The Buffalo Bills.

He convinced Jim Kelly to play for Buffalo, he brought in Marv Levy, he drafted Thurman Thomas among many other great to solid players, He is one of the reasons Marino never made it back to the superbowl. He was also very sucessful in the CFL.

PS456: The Buffalo Bills teams of the early 90s were dominant teams, but those were the last truly complete teams he has built, and that was a different era in the NFL. Even if it doesn't seem that long ago things have changed, we cant have FO who has an an old school mentality. What worked then, will not work in today's NFL.

ViMH: That may be true, but dont act like he hasn't adapted to today's NFL.

Premise #2: He did lead the Carolina Panthers to the NFCCG in only their second year of existence, thats kind of Florida Miami Marlinsesque. Who wouldn't want a a GM who knows how to buld a great team quickly, we wouldnt have to wait very long to have a dominant football team in Miami again!

PS456: And what did the Panthers accomplish after he left? They were bad to mediocre for years, Hell they weren't that good in Polian's last year there. You cant rely on the "win now" mentality, that ideology has burned us many times before, it is not how you build winning teams, its not how you set up a team for decades of dominance. Look at The Jets, they tried to go all in the past few years and they failed time and time again.

(LOL.)

ViMH: Nice dig there

PS456: Well I try.

ViMH: Fine, he did not set up the Panthers for long term success....

Premise #3:

....but look at his most recent work with the Colts, he found another great coach in Dungy, drafted Manning and won a Superbowl with him.

PS456: EXACTLY, Lets really look at what he did with the Colts shall we?

ViMH: Shoot.

PS456: Don't interrupt, anyway lets look at his track record in the 14 years he was with Indy, off the top of my head:

He drafted Manning, Saturday, Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Mathis, "Edge" and Bob Sanders

8 Noticeable players in 14 years, one of which is a hall of famer.

Thats it, his free agency hauls were nothing special and he never found a good replacement for James.

Add to the fact that Sanders was made of glass and Reggie Wayne is nothing without Manning and his track record in Indy doesn't look good. Dungy was a good coach, I give Polian credit for finding both Tony Dungy and Marv Levy.

ViMH: What about Nick Harper, Cato June, Collie and Garcon? And the Rhodes/Addai combo were decent.

PS456:

1) Harper and June were overrated, they played like ass when Sanders wasnt there/

2) Manning made those WRs, as he did with Reggie Wayne.

3) Decent, as in barely above average.

My last point is the most damning: This year Polian was exposed, Manning got hurt and we all saw how Manning was that team. Any "great picks" were exposed as frauds. Polian failed to get an insurance policy, failed to build around Peyton and failed to get a decent replacement for Dungy.

Oh and lets not forget about the whole cronism thing, with Polian making his kid the GM.

ViMH: Cronyism? We'll we all saw that here with Parcells.

PS456: Indeed. And you my friend are a formidable opponent.

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The one argument that I have is the salary cap.

With Peyton Manning making so much money toward the cap, almost 25%, it is damn near impossible to build a team like he did in the 90’s with the Bills. Look at the Pats of today, are they a complete team? What would happen if they lost Brady?

When you have a QB that is as dominant as Manning (or Brady) that command so much $$$, you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for most of the other positions. That life in the NFL right now.

I will be doing a post about this sometime this week. Doing the research on it now. It is amazing how having one of the top QB’s in the league puts a strain on the rest of the roster. It’s no wonder why the teams with the best QB’s (Indy, Pats, Packers, Saints) have the worst defense because of all the $$$ tied up at QB.

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by ct1361 on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

So your saying that Manning counts that much against the cap now or has over his career?

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by texascowpunk on Jan 3, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The Pats have been competetive despite Brady's salary and managed to get some top tier players in the process

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by Patssuck456 on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not about getting top tier players. Even with Manning's and Brady's salary, teams have room to get top tier players.

The angle I am taking is what positions are these teams targeting with big $$$ other than QB, the effect of those positions on the salary cap, and what does that mean for the rest of the football team?

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by ct1361 on Jan 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

great stream of consciousness post

Totally agree.

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by Phinatics on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

Don't think we need Polian, but Ireland doesn't tickle my fancy either

But can’t argue Polian’s body of work and the Colts did reach the superbowl post Dungy. As for their rcvrs and TE’s, they were amongst the best and no qb can throw to them if they can’t get open. A team minus their franchise QB will tank 99% of the time as we saw with Manning. Other franchise qbs, Brees, Rodgers, Eli Manning, Brady, Cutler, Stafford, Big Ben, and Schuab will cause a profound effect, if lost for a significant amount of time.

Get the best man to clear every hurdle that stand in the Dolphins way, go RG3.
RG3, the new Transformer of the future.

by fin4three5yrs on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

The Last 5 Colts Drafts:

Here are the Colts last 5 drafts. They speak for themselves.

2011 – Indianapolis Colts
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 Anthony Castonzo T Boston College
2 49 Ben Ijalana T Villanova
3 87 Drake Nevis DT LSU
4 119 Delone Carter RB Syracuse
6 188 Chris Rucker DB Michigan State

2010 – Indianapolis Colts
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Jerry Hughes DE Texas Christian
2 63 Pat Angerer OLB Iowa
3 94 Kevin Thomas DB USC
4 129 Jacques McClendon G Tennessee
5 162 Brody Eldridge TE Oklahoma
7 238 Ricardo Mathews DE Cincinnati
7 240 Kavell Conner OLB Clemson
7 246 Ray Fisher DB Indiana

2009 – Indianapolis Colts
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
2 56 Fili Moala DT USC
3 92 Jerraud Powers DB Auburn
4 127 Austin Collie WR Brigham Young
4 136 Terrance Taylor DT Michigan
6 201 Curtis Painter QB Purdue
7 222 Pat McAfee P West Virginia
7 236 Jaimie Thomas G Maryland

2008 – Indianapolis Colts
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 59 Mike Pollak G Arizona State
3 93 Philip Wheeler OLB Georgia Tech
4 127 Jacob Tamme TE Kentucky
5 161 Marcus Howard DE Georgia
6 196 Tom Santi TE Virginia
6 201 Steve Justice C Wake Forest
6 202 Mike Hart RB Michigan
6 205 Pierre Garcon WR Mount Union
7 236 Jamey Richard C Buffalo

2007 – Indianapolis Colts
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
2 42 Tony Ugoh T Arkansas
3 95 Dante Hughes CB California
3 98 Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio State
4 131 Brannon Condren DB Troy State
4 136 Clint Session LB Pittsburgh
5 169 Roy Hall WR Ohio State
5 173 Michael Coe CB Alabama State
7 242 Keyunta Dawson

I

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Need a reason to explain.
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by Patssuck456 on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Wow,

That’s just as incompetent as our drafting. In fact, those drafts make JI 2011 draft look like a genius.

"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.

by MMANDIA on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Far far worse than our drafting.

These people who are so against Ireland should actually investigate a few more teams recent drafts before spouting vitriol against him.

by sirdolphin on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats a good point. The argument should start with "Who do you replace them with and what is that persons recent

draft record vs. Irelands?"

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by texascowpunk on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL Thats a good point as well. I love the get Ozzie comments, like thats going to happen.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ross is a such horrible owner...

If he would just open the check book we could get Ozzie and the Packer’s GM. Wait, what logical GM would want to work for Ross, he’s the worst owner in the league. Fire Ireland, and make it happen. He did, after all, come the the irrational conclusion that Bryant’s mama was a prossy. We coulda had freakin’ Matt Moore throwing to Dez and BMarsh. Holy crap, imagine the stat line then:

3000yds & 20 TDs, talk about explosive!

"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.

by MMANDIA on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Opening a check book does not get you a GM under contract with another team.

As to his comment to Bryant’s about his mom I agree it was in poor taste but one of those things that he said off the cuff that I am sure he wishes he had not. Everyone has those. Besides had Dez not gone and whined about it then we never know. Dez is a cancer and I do not want him anyhow. Hell all the Cowboys fans do is bitch about him and his negatives. Besides thats the biggest non issue anyway. No team was going to trad two first round picks for a #1 WR and then turn around and drop their first on another.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 3, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The laptop didn't do a good job of conveying my sarcasm :)

"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.

by MMANDIA on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Ah! Use the sarcasm box!

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
As of 01/01/2012 an officially ordained priest of the Church Of The Latter Day Dude

by texascowpunk on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The 2011 draft was a good one.

2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.

Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.

by Patssuck456 on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft may not look good bu consider where they have been drafting since 2000

A superbowl in 2006 and damn near 1 in 2010 if Manning don’t throw the INT doesn’t indicate bad drafting. Polian has the wins to prove his skills but I think the biggest blunder he ever made was when he traded away Faulk and picked up Edge.

Get the best man to clear every hurdle that stand in the Dolphins way, go RG3.
RG3, the new Transformer of the future.

by fin4three5yrs on Jan 3, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes it was. Not spectacular, but good for sure.

"He has a bad case of dumb face to boot."
Thanks to TCP for this gem.

by MMANDIA on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

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