Trading Draft Picks For A Franchise QB IS NOT "Mortgaging The Future"!!
I've been seeing this statement "Mortgage The Future" about trading draft picks for a QB on the site and in the papers. Omar today says it will take a "King's Ransom" to trade up to get RGIII. That "King's Ransom" is two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks. So let me get this straight - The Phins would be "Mortgaging The Future" or paying a "King's Ransom" by trading players like Jared Odrick, Mike Pouncey, Koa Misi, and Daniel Thomas (Miami's 1st and 2nd round picks the last two years) for a player like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady? I would do that in a heartbeat!!
You are only "Mortgaging The Future" if the QB you trade up to get sucks. If the QB is a Franchise QB, then "The Future" couldn't be brighter!!
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One other point:
Which of these teams would trade their QB’s for Pouncey, Odrick, Davis, Daniels, Misi and White (Miami’s 1st and 2nd round picks for the last 3 years):
Patriots
Steelers
Texans
Chargers
Giants
Eagles
Cowboys
Packers
Bears
Falcons
Saints
Panthers
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
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I completely agree with your point and your example holds weight.
However I believe you mean Daniel Thomas not “Daniels.”
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Yes. You are correct. Sorry. Daniel Thomas
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Cowboys and Bears would
Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
"Joe Montana was a product of the system. Dan Marino was the system"-Bill Walsh.
by FinzD54 on Jan 19, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the Bears came around on Jay Cutler this season
Their offense is utterly worthless without him under center. They need to invest in O line and receivers to keep Cutler protected and armed at all times.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
I don't think either would. But let's say you are correct and they would make that trade, if I was Ireland, I would be calling them every hour on the hour until the trade is finalized.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
You also left out Jake Long
Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?
"Joe Montana was a product of the system. Dan Marino was the system"-Bill Walsh.
by FinzD54 on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I stopped at the last 3 Miami drafts.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Why are you mad about something Omar Kelly said? He's pretty much an RG3 hater
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
I'm not mad at Omar. I like Omar. I just used his article as an example because I read it this morning.
But it seems that there is a constant rumbling on this site and in the media that trading up to get RGIII or Luck is going to hurt this franchise in the future. I don’t buy it.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Agreed. This team needs to make a big splash (no pun intended)
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
Especially because their new HC isn't going to really excite the fan base.
This team needs to make a big splash (no pun intended)
A first time HC and another OL in the first round of the draft will result in a big “Huh” from the fan base.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Not as much as NOT trading to get them.
that trading up to get RGIII or Luck is going to hurt this franchise in the future.
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So sending away our playmaker(S) to another team in HOPE that a unproven QB can be labeled as “franchised” is hurting our future?
Playmakers? Like who?
It will cost this years 1st & 2nd and 2013 1st and most likely mid-round. Even it’s another 2nd I make that trade. We have no serious weakness outside of QB, it needs to addressed. After that we could use an upgrade at guard as VC is a FA, Murtha & Jerry can battle for RT. An upgrade at FS, #2 WR, SOLB and seam stretching TE are the most glaring. Other than that, depth and a few positions like CB could use an upgrade but not overly necessary.
Are you one of those who think Matt Moore is a “proven QB”? The only thing he has proven is he’s a marginal starting QB in the NFL.
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But that is only looking at half the story
You know I know we all know, that not every player that comes out actually turns into a succesfull pro. Every draft pick is a gamble. Even though I think RG3 is going to be stellar in the NFL, he could come out and just fizzle out. So with that in mind, would you trade Odrick Pouncey Misi and Thomas for Jamarcus Russel? How about Ryan Leaf? If we trade that amount say two firsts two seconds, and then that player does become a bust, we have no resources to cover our tail and end in even worse shape than we began so id have to say a term like “mortgaging the future” is fairly apt. If the deal ends in success it was worth it, if it ends in failure then its a HUGE failure because we paid that much more.
by AcolyteofRa on Jan 19, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Call me old fashioned, but you'd have to pry Pouncey from my cold, lifeless fingers
I desperately want a franchise quarterback, but I also have no wish to go back to when our center position was nothing more than an aqua-and-orange-clad turnstile. That sucked.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
Pouncey is a nice player. But you could replace him with a dozen other C's in the league and you wouldn't notice a difference.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
there's a difference between the top 5 centers in the league
and the top 5 QB’s in the league.
Yes, i love Pouncey, and he will hopefully be an all time Miami great when his career is over, but he’s a center. I wouldn’t even blink if we could trade him for a potential 5 QB.
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
Yikes
Pouncey is a nice player. But you could replace him with a dozen other C’s in the league and you wouldn’t notice a difference.
Tell that to the Steelers. Their interior protection against Green Bay in Super Bowl 45 was absolutely worthless without Maurkice in the line-up (same with their playoff game against Denver two weeks ago). Centers are pretty much the quarterback of the offensive line, which is why that spot has become almost a glamor position as of late. Not saying it’s anywhere near being on par with quarterback or pass rusher, but I wouldn’t be so quick to make it sound like Joe the Plumber could step in and do what Mike Pouncey did this season.
Reggie Bush would probably notice a big difference if you swapped Pouncey with some shlub lineman.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
"Centers are pretty much the quarterback of the offensive line, which is why that spot has become almost a glamor position as of late."
Not exactly and the reason is this. The NFL has changed alot. Defenses are more complicated and sophisticated now. They use delayed pressure, timed pressure, pressure scheme coming out of rover packages and with presnap motion on defense. NFL teams now have far more time in preperation and the athletes are better and can close space more easily so coordinators can do far more. All of these types of pressure packages are impossible for the Center to deal with, some come from areas he literally can’t see. The presnap motion also allows defesne to shield his vision.
The result is that the Center, despite still making some protection calls, is responsible for far less in terms of diagnosing scheme because of these things. Instead the Quarterback has adopted that responsibility and is making those calls against far more complicated defenses than ever before.
This only accentuates the importance of the position.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Yep, the NFL has changed a lot ... which is the point I just made. You're absolutely not understanding me here. I said, "quarterback of the offensive line," not "quarterback of the offense"
The duties of an NFL center go so much further than pre-snap calls/recognition, too (something you’re apparently not ready to accept here). A prototypical center has to have a keen combination of vision, awareness, instincts, strength and athleticism to do everything asked of him on the field. If modern NFL defense have made the center’s duties obsolete, then why has at least one center been drafted in the first round four of the last six seasons? Didn’t these teams get the memo that any idiot can man the center position? Maybe it’s because Nick Mangold, Alex Mack and Maurkice and Mike Pouncey are elite prospects capable of single-handedly bolstering an offensive line. Center has absolutely become a faux-glamor position on the offensive line, so to simply dismiss the center position as a fun accessory you can toy with on the weekends if flat disingenuous.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
by kmb8488 on Jan 19, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd!
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
It is true that NFL defenses are as confusing and deceptive as ever
Also, center is even more vital in a league trending toward 0-tech fronts.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
by kmb8488 on Jan 19, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What?
“The duties of an NFL center go so much further than pre-snap calls/recognition, too (something you’re apparently not ready to accept here). "
You are not understanding what I said kmb. You think that I dont understand this? Also where did I say once that the Center position is obsolete? Or that I discounted the position as “fun accessory?” Anyone who has read my comments knows that Im not that ignorant and if you read my comment below you will see how I value the position. Or any of the times that I have talked about Pouncey as a player, the 2011 offseason or how the moves to the interior of the line have impacted the offense. Like below, or here http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/1/16/2712164/potential-miami-dolphins-new-orleans-saints-guard-carl-nicks
or herehttp://www.thephinsider.com/2012/1/10/2696748/what-i-took-away-from-this-season-a-phinphinatic-perspective#comments
As for your point I did misunderstand what you said after reading again what you wrote. However what you think my positions are is absurd.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
We'll call it a great misunderstanding then on both sides
And I know you’re very football smart. No worries there.
Anyway, you were responding to my initial comment toward CT, so I lumped you both in on that response. You make a great point that the always-evolving NFL defense has greatly complicated a center’s pre-snap role at the line of scrimmage. Still, the center, linemen-wise, has the best seat in the house when it comes to viewing the defense, and he’s typically going to make that first line call at the LoS.
Thanks for clearing up things on your end, Civ.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
Yea I don't want any bad blood. Maybe I need to rephrase how I say things?
It seems as though I rub people the wrong way alot or something.
As for Pouncey I understand what he provedes to the team and I’m glad to have him. I also think the Dolphins offensive line is the most unfairly maligned unit on the team and I say it all of the time. Having the players we do on this line is something we will all be very grateful for in the future.
My point was related to the respective importances of the positions and to the comment you made (which I misunderstood what your point was in).
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I don't think you need rephrase stuff. I usually know what you're talking about
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
LOL I dispute that. I am not saying that you are undervaluing the center position only that of a top center.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
im with ya
I think Pouncey was even far better than advertised. I think its rediculous that he was not given a spot on the pro bowl roster and his brother was despite mike having what I thought was the better of the twos seasons. It’d take one hefty bounty for me to want to see him given up.
by AcolyteofRa on Jan 19, 2012 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I won't call you old fashioned and we are lucky to have Pouncey. I disagree but..
I was content with the pick when it was made at 15 and I like it now. The moves to the inteior of the offonsive line (coupled with the move of Carey to Right Gaurd) where in my opinion the brightest spot of Jeff Ireland’s 2011 offseason. Those personnel moves were major factors in the running game (and to a lesser extent the Reggie Bush trade although vital) which drastically improved to 11th this season (YPA) from 29th in the NFL. I also believe that the line is the most unfairly maligned unit on the team right now amongst fans.
However there are two things. One is that those moves where by far the most successful ones of the offseason and the offense as a whole despite improvement only went from 27th total offense (YPP) to 24th (YPP). I have talked at length about the line and the offseason in other posts.
The bigger issue is what the team lacks. I have been working on my first post analyzing Matt Moore’s play in 2011 using https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=3&s_tnt=35293:9:0 and there are two serious issues. The first is the play of Matt Moore which is what it is and that is the reason I am making the post. It is by no means all bad nor all good but anyways that is a different issue.
What is readily apparant (even with Irelands attempts to deter them this past offseason) is how much this team struggles getting seperation against defenses despite aggressive man coverage concepts and how teams can run the coverages that they do on Marshall and Bess, as well as condense the field and get away with it.
Back to the O-line issue though. Can I use the Patriots as an example for a second. Take the Patriots this season and look what has happaned to their Line this year. Dan Connelly went out in Week 1 against the Dolphins and missed time forcing Ryan Wendell into the starting role. Brian Waters has missed time. Sebastian Vollmer has been in and out of the lineup all season long. Matt Light got hurt and missed multiple games including the Dolphins game and Logan Mankins went out in that game forcing Donald Thomas onto the field as well as Marcus Cannon at Tackle when Light and Vollmer were out. It has been a serious deterrent for their offense this season. Combined with their problems on defense that team was one of the weakest clubs we played IMO in 2011. They though have one of the greatest Quarterbacks to ever play the game, they have incredible talent at Tight End, good diversity at receiver and two unique backs. That club went 13-3 despite zero continuity on their line.
Granted they won many games they probably shouldn’t have (Dallas game!!!!) and they probably would not be able to win the Superbowl this year (which they obviously still haven’t) if their line wasn’t healthy as it is now. Line play is important but imagine what would have happened ot that club had Brady gone down this season!!!!
The Bears are another phenomenal example. They have serious protection issues (maybe the most critical protection issues in the leauge) yet that club was in position to make the playoffs and potentially accomplish something very special (although it wuld have been very tough). As soon as Cutler went down they lost 5 games in a row up through the Vikings game in week 17.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
The pieces are all important in winning a championship.
Although with each passing season some seem to be less so. However if you have a Quarterback you have a foundation. The offense will be built around him predicated upon his strengths as well as personnel. The Quarterback will acclimate himself with that personnel and that system and with time the offense will improve and grow as a unit even if it takes multiple seasons as long as that Quarterback is a Franchise Quarterback.
Without him you have no foundation and no base.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Jay Cutler has been sacked in all but two games he has played as a Chicago Bear. He's a durable kid, but his career is going to be significantly shorter if the Bears don't commit to protecting him
Honestly, I think it’s ironic that you are pointing to the Bears as an example of a team that almost made the playoffs without a good offensive line. They missed out because they failed to protect Cutler (you could make the case they missed out on the Super Bowl last year for the same reason). With even a halfway-decent offensive line, those guys might still be playing right now. Mike Martz’s offense was almost worthless in Chicago because Cutler could never seven-step drop without getting decked. I don’t think the Bears are a great example in your argument. No team needs offensive linemen more than Chicago.
Pittsburgh’s another example of what happens when teams think they can just roll a signal caller out on the field without any presence of protection. Ben Roethlisberger’s mobility is the only reason he’s still alive at this point. The Steelers skimp on offensive linemen every year, and that’s why you see No.7 hobbling around every week like he was just shot in the ass.
And the Patriots still have Light, Mankins (the best guard in the game, IMO) and Solder on the offensive line. Losing Dan Koppen really hurt, but they have the pieces to survive an injury or two in the trenches. Bill Belichick has proven that about 100 times during his coaching career in New England.
2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.
Ok so you raise a few points.
The first point was with the Bears. My point was not by any means that the protection issues in Chicago are irrelevant because they have a Franchise Quarterback in Jay Cutler. They are significant and they permeate far beyond Line play. It is scheme as you mentioned, it is backs in protection as well as Tight Ends. I know this it is probably something I should have said in the first place and we all have to take that into account. I also understand the serious problems that are presented with protection issues. I watched Jay Cutler on Monday Night in week 5 against the Lions perform as well as I have ever seen a Quarterback play under the type of diress that he went through. He made throws under pressure all night long, moved through his progressions in collapsing pockets consistantly and there were 4-6 times that night when he was hit before completing his drop. Yet as well as he played they only scored 13 points.
No team can win with any consistancy against that type of pressure, no matter the Quarterback, but in the NFL the pressure Cutler was seeing in a few games early this season was completely absurd. How the protection (no matter the personnel or the scheme) can break down so thoroughly is incredible. Yet they were still 2-3 and as protection gradually improved they began to rattle off wins garnering a 7-3 record up through the San Diego game. After Cutler went down they lost 5 games in a row eliminating them from the playoffs. Despite some improvements, Cutler was able to mask plenty of deficiencies in protection, after his injury the team no longer had that luxery.
The Patriots example was used to simply illustrate again how problems in protection can be masked by a phenomenal Quarterback, a team with awesome explosion and a unti that is well acclimated to a great system. The amount of reshuffling they have had to do this season on the Line is incredible, yet with no continuity they still went 13-3. I mentioned a few examples above. You added Dan Koppen who I excluded from the list because he was placed on Season Ending IR but he also went out like Connelly in the Dolphins game on MNF in week 1. Nate Solder has been a real rock for them this season throughout all of this but Matt Light has missed time as well as well as Mankins. Two key players on that unit, yet they still won games without them. Our second game with the Pats Light didn’t play, neither did Vollmer and Mankins went out in the First Quarter. They still found a way to claw that game out. With all of the further injuries the Pats suffered this season had Brady gone down in Week 1 instead of Koppen for the season, even if Koppen had stayed healthy all season I think there is essentially no chance the Patriots make the playoffs. Not this year.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
You lost me on this.
The moves to the inteior of the offonsive line (coupled with the move of Carey to Right Gaurd) where in my opinion the brightest spot of Jeff Ireland’s 2011 offseason.
Here is the problem that both of you have. IMO
The value of a center at 15 unless he is a top 5 player isn’t there yet for Pouncey. Incognito was already willing and completly able to move to Center. The smart move was to move back and take a RT. V. Carey is overweight and should be cut along with Columbo. I made this point several times during preseason and during the Draft when Pouncey was picked. B. Waters made another Pro Bowl and could have easily been added to the mix.
I like Pouncey and I do believe Center is an important position. There were enough options in FA to solve our O-Line issues if we picked a RT instead of Pouncey. It will be the same thing this year. Murtha and Jerry will be options this year at RT. Pick up one of the 3 Guards in FA and we are set on the O-Line.
If we can’t move up and get Luck or RG3 our best move is to move back and stock pile picks for next year. An when we move back we need to focus on skill position players. You don’t build an O-line with 5 1st round picks folks. It doesn’t work that way. LOL.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 19, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Fail LOL
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
Winston Churchill
by FinFanFromCA on Jan 19, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
You don't trade up and make that move with the expectation of failure.
You expect that player to become your Franchise / Star QB for the next decade+. If the move fails, that is on the organization, it’s GM, and it’s scouts.
If you trust your organization and the move is a success, your future is really bright.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
But thats just it
You don’t see the failure when the move goes down, if a poker player could see he had a losing hand he wouldn’t bet a single dime. If the Raiders had forsen Russles bust they never would’ve drafted him. So when making that kind of move you have to way both sides. Its a risk vs reward issue. When does it become too much to risk a loss? 2 years drafts? 3 years drafts? That’s all I’m sayin, a franchise QB is the ultimate prize and worth more than the rest, if it were a guarentee of success you give the house for it but since its a gamble you only bet the ammount that is worth the risk.
by AcolyteofRa on Jan 19, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well Said.
but since its a gamble you only bet the ammount that is worth the risk.
And that comes back to the organization, scouts, and GM. If they feel strongly about a certain player at the QB position, then the price evaluation goes up because the risk, in their eyes, goes down.
Here is what can’t happen to Miami’s FO. Let’s say that a team trades two #1’s and two #2’s for RGIII. When asked by the media why Miami didn’t make that offer and they say that the price was too high, RGIII better be a bust. That is the only way they will look smart. Because if RGIII is a franchise QB, it reflects bad on the Miami organization, the scouts and the GM (all will probably have to look for another job).
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
I wonder how many of the anti-RG3 crowd
Will be all up in arms if we don’t trade for him and he rocks the NFL.
I’d rather take the chance and have him fail then to say I didn’t want to risk it and he ends up in the HoF as a multiple Super Bowl winner.
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Great point. For 2 1sts and 2 2nds I would get RG3.
And we have room in the salary cap to make a move for a few free agents. Imagine if RG3 came, the whole of Miami would go into a frenzy. It wud fill the stadium just like that. That’s what Ross wants, right?
I want RGIII too. But the bigger point was that if you think there is a Franchise QB available and you want that player, trading future picks shouldn't be a problem.
Because those picks won’t have the impact that a Franchise / Star QB will.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
nobody in the draft will excite a fan base and get attention and popularity in the stadium like Luck or RG3
Richardson and Blackmon will gain some attention sure, but I think QB is a tad more important than RB and WR, atleast for us.
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
No one in free agency either (except maybe Manning if available)
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This is all Barkley and Jones fault. RG3 is the only 1st round caliber Qb in the draft not name Luck
Rams going get a king ransom for that 2nd pick because atleast 3 teams are going to be fighting for it. If we get the guy from GB as head coach he wont trade up for RG3, he will bring Flynn with him
Wish we could sim this season
AND THATS WHY
we need to get Philbin and bring the QB coach and Flynn,, no need to trade up,, trade down and pick up extra picks and fill all of the rest of our needs,, I believe Flynn can be a great QB,, he has been in that offense for 3 yrs and has learned from Rogers. Cant ask for anymore IMO
Glad Jones went back to school, wasn't sold on him
Barkley on the other hand, that hurt. It’s not that Luck and RG3 are 1st round caliber QB’s, they are top 5 prospects.
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CT here is some scouting on RG3 in the first 2 minutes
It’s not a QB drive league anymore, it’s a QB starved league
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Thanks and nice find. I like what they said about RGIII.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Me too
I am looking forward to seeing him at the combine/Pro Day.
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I'm looking forward to seeing what his measurables are: Height, Weight, 40, etc.
Especially Height. There are rumors out there that he is only 6’-0" tall. If that is the case, he could slip in the draft. And that works for me because I don’t care how tall he is, I like the kid.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
I'm trying to find the video
but I am sure I seen one out there where RG3 addressed his height and said he will come in at 6’2" if not taller at the combine. A lot of the videos I was trying to watch said “private”. You probably already saw this one but his Heisman interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAyor1pktM
When he accepts he looks about 2 " shorter than Luck who is suppose to be 6’4"
I agree about the height, Drew Brees and Mike Vick are both 6’0" and do just fine.
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I heard his interview with Dan Patrick the week after he beat OU.
Dan asked him about his measurements and if he was actually 6’2. He stated that he “guaranteed” that when he was measured at the combine without shoes that he will be slightly taller then 6’2. Now given that its RG3 I think we can all take that as gospel.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
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