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How good is Matt Moore?

How good is Matt Moore right now and how good could he potentially be? I think this is the major question heading into the Dolphins' offseason. How the Ireland and the new Dolphins' coaching staff answers this question will determine both their free agency and draft personnel moves.

Here is how I rank QB's:

League MVP: These are guys that have the ability to win a league MVP (or multiple MVP's) and will be HOF candidates when they retire.

Franchise: Best player on their team, can take over any game at any time and lead their team to victory.

Winning: With a good team around them, this guy will lead a team to a winning record and the playoffs. Will win some games on his own despite how the team is playing.

Placeholder: Has some skills, but to win consistently needs a really good team around them, including a good defense.

Replaceable: Has a negative affect more often than not on the overall team and cannot win consistently.

Back-up: Can succeed in certain situations by managing team to avoiding errors. Possible starters if they were on a different team.

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At any one time, it is an interesting challenge to place the top 40 QB's in the league into the above categories. Instead of ranking the QB's individually you can just put them into each category based on the 32 teams. 4 MVP QB's, 4 Franchise QB's, 8 Winning QB's, 8 Placeholder QB's, 8 Replaceable QB's, and 8 top Back-ups. Here is how I would stack them into these categories (in no particular order, and making the assumption injured starters will be fully healed for 2012).

MVP's: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning

Franchise: Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Tony Romo

Winning: Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan, Michael Vick, Matt Stafford, Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco

Placeholder: Alex Smith, Matt Hasselbeck, Andy Dalton, Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassell, Mark Sanchez, Joseph Freeman

Replaceable: Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Rex Grossman, Tavaris Jackson, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, Kevin Kolb

Back-ups: Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Matt Flynn, Jason Campbell, Chad Henne, T.J. Yates, Jake Locker

As you can see, I've left Matt Moore out for now. Based on this year, I think he is right at the borderline between being a winning QB and a Placeholding QB. You could make the case that either Smith, Hasselbeck, or Dalton could be moved up into the Winning category, but for each you could make the case against them as well. Hasselbeck is past his prime and is fading, Dalton had a good not great first year on a surprise team, and Smith has had a career full of bad years with this year having everything finally come together for him.

For now, let's put Alex Smith into the Winning category and Moore into the Placeholder category. But like most of the QB's on the above list, there is some slide up and down as they gain more experience or their skills start fading. It's no wonder that 6 of the 8 bottom QB's on the list only have a year or two of experience under their belts. As players like Hasselbeck and Palmer continue to fade you will most likely see a few of the younger QB's move up in status.

In the best case scenario, you want a top 8 QB, either an MVP type or a Franchise type. You see potential in a few QB's such as Cam Newton, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan to move up into that level. Vick has already been there, as has Palmer. Over time maybe some of the younger QB's can improve and move their way up the rankings. Andrew Luck and RGIII could get there, but most likely if they do it will be 3-4 years down the road.

For Matt Moore, I think his skill set at best will place him on the border between being a Winning and Placeholder QB. I'm not sure if he has the ability to take over multiple games during the year and be the reason why his team wins. But like Alex Smith this year and Mark Sanchez the last couple of years, he can steer a team into the playoffs and win in the right circumstances. I'd like to think he can be a consistent Winning level QB, but when you compare his physical tools with every other QB in the top 16 he comes out at or near the bottom. A player can be a GOOD QB through smarts and athleticism and experience, but to be a consistently GREAT QB you need the physical talent as well, and Moore just doesn't have that from what I've seen.

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IMO, he is a placeholder who got on a bit of a hot streak

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 18, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 18, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed...

When did he ever take over a game? If he made a big throw it was an amazing occurence.. but you certainly did not expect big things from him when the Dolphins got on offense… You weren’t ever confident that he wouldn’t throw it to the other team. When did he run an effective 2 minute drill?

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 18, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

When did he run an effective 2 minute drill?

When was he asked to? You can’t blame him for not doing something that he was never in the position to do. Was it his fault Todd Bowles didn’t kick an onsides against The Patriots with 1:30 to play? Does that count against him?

More of Moore in 2012!

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by joel311 on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

When did he punt the football?

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by Alpha6 on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He is a backup

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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure if I agree

I think he is more than a back-up at this point in his career. He has 24 starts under his belt now and half of those (12) he has a QB rating in that game of over 90%. He is still young and each start gives him more experience, but still finished 12th in passing this year, and in the top 8 over the last half of the season. He jumped into a horrible situation this year with very little practice time on a new team for him and finished with a 7-5 record.

I’m not saying he is the final answer, but regardless of what the Dolphins do in the draft this year, Moore will most likely be our starter going into 2012 (unless by some chance they end up with Manning). Even if somehow we trade 23 draft choices to get Luck or RGIII, I think they will sit on the bench at least half a year until the playoffs are not an option anymore. But I think overall, in the discussion of how good is Matt Moore, I think he has shown that he can be a competent starter in the league somewhere.

Don’t get me wrong – I’m not endorsing Matt Moore as the Dolphins starting QB for the next 5 years, but overall he impressed me a great deal and if things don’t go as planned in the offseason in gaining a “stud” QB, then I think having Moore is not a bad fallback. With the right pieces in place I think he can carry the team to the playoffs.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

woah there

if we get luck hes starting day one NO exceptions.. but we wont get luck.

by west coast phinfan on Jan 19, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

True

Probably right there. If they somehow manage to get Luck, he would definitely get thrown in there. Not sure if that is the best thing, but the pressure would be too great to let him sit and learn for a few games.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if we got luck , he ain't starting day 1, unless he does so phenominal in pre season

that he makes the great brandstater bow to him ! Not sure they would throw him into the meat grinder that fast and ruin him before he get’s some seasoning. As far as moore goes , yeah , maybe not franchise , but he showed some real poise and guts out there , not to mention a nice touch pass(something henne could never do) and showed he could heave it now and then when they would let him.Once they figured out how to use bush, the game slowed down a little for moore and he got better.I think we have a better chance at RGIII than luck anyway, unless luck looks like shit at the combine and his stock drops.

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by daytonadolfan on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Luck definitely starts Day 1.

He is as NFL ready as they come. The only experience he needs is gametime experience, and he won’t get that riding the pine.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

True.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd put him in-between placeholder and replaceable.

He lacks the arm strength to make deep throws, holds on to the ball far too long resulting in too many sacks, and his decision making is sketchy at times. Personally I think Henne has more potential than Moore.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 18, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

Moore is great at the deepball!

we had loads of big plays when Moore was in

Chad Henne is the man

by Marshy. on Jan 19, 2012 5:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Henne,s a bum

Moore gave us a chance to win Henne did not,,as a 40 year fish fan,,,i say keep moore dump henne and keep all ex cowgirl coaches away from our team

by dolphinfan55555 on Jan 20, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure Shawn Moore has a great deep ball.

Unfortunately we’re talking about Matt Moore, who has a noodle arm. Every pass he threw over 30 yards hung in the air forever and caused everyone of our receivers to have to slow down or turn around to catch it. Matt Moore can not throw a deep ball to a receiver in stride. Don’t mistake our high ranking in plays over 30 yards to mean Matt Moore can throw deep accurately.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 21, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree

Not sure I agree with you. Moore doesn’t have a strong arm to bomb the ball 50 yards down the field on a windy day. But I think he showed amazing accuracy on 20-35 yard passes over the middle and to the sidelines. Marshall had some great catches as did Hartline when they were covered well and the ball had to be just placed in the perfect spot.
There were a few times where Moore had someone deep and he just couldn’t get it there due to him not being able to step forward or just not having the strength in his arm. I think overall he has an average arm, but you can’t convince me he doesn’t throw a good, accurate deep ball on all but the longest throws.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 21, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you confused?
I don’t agree

Not sure I agree with you.

Could you make up your mind?

just not having the strength in his arm. I think overall he has an average arm

Seems to me you agree with me.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Moore showed a knack for the deep ball.

That’s why we were one of the top teams in 40+ yard passes…

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Having Brandon Marshall and a slightly more aggressive playcalling....

Is why we were one of the top teams in 40+ plays. Not because of Moore’s arm. While he is accurate, he lacks arm strength. Watch the replays of every deep ball he throws. Everyone one of them our receivers have to slow down or come back to catch the ball.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 21, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true

I can clearly remember Hartnell a few times and Marshall stretching out to go after a ball down the field. There were definitely a few times where Moore didn’t get the pass out fast enough and even a few occasions he just didn’t have the arm to stretch it down 50 yards. But you’ve just described 2/3 of the NFL QB’s there.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 21, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's Hartnell? I don't recall a Hartnell on the Dolphins last year.

If you can’t even remember who he was throwing the ball to, how can you claim to know how well the ball was thrown?

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 23, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, don't agree

I am not a Moore supporter at all but the one thing he was pretty good at was the deep ball. In fact I think he was more accurate on throws over 30 yards than throws under 15 yards. He was like the anti-Henne, Chad threw accurately under 20 yards but his accuracy on the deep ball was nothing short of terrible.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

^^This^^

I couldn’t said it any better. Both show promise,but both have their faults. If we could only combine the 2 we’d have the prefect QB.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 19, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

add in Tebows determination and will

and you have your franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. Apart they are all marginal starters. lol

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't have to agree.

I’m simply stating a fact.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Opinion vs. Fact

What you believe is an opinion. Which is always valid, and you are entitled to it. But trying to say what you believe is a fact, that’s a little difficult to swallow. Forums like this are good for trading opinions back and forth and every once in awhile discussing the merits of an actual fact (FACT: Philbin just was hired as the Dolphins coach yesterday). Opinions are more fun to have dialogs with other Dolphin fans (OPINION: Philbin was the correct hire, or Philbin will find success as the new Dolphins’ coach).

by douglaskoehne on Jan 21, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for that.

Maybe next time you can bust out a Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary.

Just because your opinion is contrary to a fact, does not negate that it is a fact.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

All I saw was blah blah blah....

…..I hate Tim tebow. Tebow is a winner. I would surely take him over Moore or Henne

by Gator Bait89 on Jan 19, 2012 8:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It seems as if your declaration is missing the required disclaimer!

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by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a hater

I don’t hate Tim Tebow. I just think his quarterback play is akin to the Wildcat. It was something new, he is a great competitor and works his ass off, but NFL coaches are too good to let someone who has such limited skills beat them for too long. You started seeing that at the end of the year, and I think next year will be a tough one for Tebow.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

He needs to work on his mechanics to have any chance at all

He throws an ugly pass. I love his determination and heart though, if we had that in Chad Henne we probably wouldn’t be looking for a QB.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

He does, but I think a full offseason will make a big difference.

I doubt there’s anybody in the NFL with more self-motivation than Tebow. If he can become a semi-effective passer, that plus his ability to pull wins out of his ass will make him a force.

by PNSter on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Give him one more year on Denver...

In two years Tebow won’t start at QB for a NFL team for the remainder of his career.

Count on it.

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by BSerious72 on Jan 19, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially considering McCoy is probably the only OC in the league

that will run an option offense.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

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by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

REC the POST...

some nice work here… I would have to move Big Ben up though – he has 2 rings and is MONEY with the game on the line. Both Rogers and Brees only have 1 title, even though they are a little better than Ben. PLUS – I would bump Rivers down a notch – what has he won to be “Franchise” ? he is good, i agree on that, but I think you need to have some big game success to be here… also if ELI wins the SB – does he move up to the top – ??? I think so….. ELI is really getting it done. Of course it helps to have H. NICKS… but oh wait…. look back………. many of the “experts” predicted the dolphins would take Nicks in the draft that year….(miami needed a WR) and A PLAY MAKER… but of course our DA mgt did not… just another miss in the draft. some times the “experts” like Kiper know what they are talking about.

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by 62Lou on Jan 19, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

We didn't get Nicks, but we got a very good CB in Davis.

We can’t get every player. I don’t consider it a miss. It’s like saying Green Bay missed on Roddy White or Logan Mankins in the 2005 draft. Well, yes, but they did get Aaron Rodgers. It’d be another story if we drafted someone that failed to make an impact.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

did I say it was a "miss" ?..........

No – but what has MORE VALUE… let’s see a WR…H NICKS now has 3,034 career REC yds and 24 TD’s……throw in 4 REC TD’s in the playoffs so far PLUS a 21.5 yards per catch average…He is a DIFFERENCE MAKER….. Vontae is good – but no where near this impact.
I wanted CLAY MATHEWS with that pick – who is also better than vontae and makes a bigger impact….also we would NOT have spent 2 second round picks for Marshall if we had drafted Hakeem….no way.

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by 62Lou on Jan 19, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

and we should have taken Rodgers over Ronnie Brown

You can play this game all day long……….

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I am not a fan of looking back and crying about what could have been. Seems like a useless/fruitless exercise.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Moore has had a run like this before. Now he needs to be consistent.

he had a very similar run in Carolina, was given the starting job the following year, and then proceeded to stink it up. he followed up a 98.1 Qb rating with a 55.6 rating.

Barring a very good QB falling into our lap, he is likely to be the starter next year. If he is going to be anything more than a career back-up, he needs to play well next year.

by dab415217 on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Just as a side note, Moore tied with Tebow for most fumbles@14.

That has to change. If you’re not an elite QB, you can’t afford to average slightly over 1 fumble a game.

by dab415217 on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

and he doesn't rush it either

I mean Chad Henne had nearly double his rushing yards in 4 games. Also, everyone thinks of Sanchez as a fumbling machine, he had 4 less than Moore in 3 more games.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm curious to see just how much those numbers come down

once Columbo is replaced and Pouncey gets a full offseason snapping the ball.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hope so, if they went up

He would never be a starter again (13 GP and 14 fumbles is not good). A fumble is more costly then an INT IMO. Typically a INT is 20-30 yards past the LOS (or more) where a fumble by the QB is typically 5-10 yards behind the LOS. The WR is usally in position to make an immediate tackle so that’s a 20-40+ yard difference in field position.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

INTs are more likely to be returned for scores.

So, it’s debatable. But even if he fumbles 14 times in 16 games next year, I would agree that he wouldn’t see the field as a starter in 2013. I really don’t see him fumbling as much next year with Columbo being gone though.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Columbo not being there can only improve the whole offense

but they were coming to Moore’s strong side, he fumbled a lot because he held onto the ball with one hand up high while scanning the field. His poor pocket awareness contributed to a lot of his fumbles. That’s on Moore not Columbo (you’re making me feel like I am defending Columbo and that pisses me off lol).

You love Moore, I am ‘meh’ on him and I don’t think either of our opinions will change on this subject anytime soon…………. so I heard the Dolphins signed their new head coach though. :)

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Columbo had timming issues, (wheels) was why to slow!

this^ rec!

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by wild zion beaver on Jan 21, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

i dont know,

many of Moores fumbles where from the snap… good snaps i might add.. very bad timing too on his fumbles and the terrible terrible sacks he would take.

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by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He had some bad snaps.

I am much more inclined to blame the rookie center who only played one year of center in college when it comes to a fumbled snap. Pouncey is very inexperienced in his position.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I am moore optomistic. I would make him a WINNING QB!

I am pleasantly pleased with M. Moore. Lets look at his last 3 years.
On 2009, his QB rating was 98; 62% completion rating and ONLY 2 fumbles. 8TD/2INT
In 2010, QB rating, 56, 55% completion rate and only 4 fumbles, 5TD/10 INT
2011, QB rating 87, 61% completion rate, 14 fumbles 16 TD and 9 INT

In other words, this year was kind of a middle year for him. His best year was 2009, worst was 2010.
So what can we expect in 2012? I don’t know. He has potential!
But there is no doubt he is better than CH7!! if it is like 2009, we may have found a QB; But, if it is like 2010, we will be looking at Matt Barkley or Landry Jones!! If it is like 2011, who knows?

by DAVEBUCK on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

How many 4th quarter comebacks did Moore have?

How many games did he put the team on his back to win in the last 5 minutes?
How many games did he defeat an opponent with a winning record?
How many games were lost in the 4th quarter in 2011?

No matter how the QB plays this team is talented enough to win 7 or 8 games (we aren’t the 2010 Carolina Panthers), we won’t be sniffing a top 10 pick in the near future. It will more likely to be in the 12-20 range.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

How many games did he dominate the first half

just to have Sparano ground and pound it in the 2nd half? Moore doesn’t set the gameplan.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Teams we beat and their average points against:
KC- 21.1 ppg allowed
Washington – 22.9 ppg allowed
Buffalo *2 -27.1 ppg allowed
Oakland – 27.1 ppg allowed
NYJ – 22.7 ppg allowed
KC is the only team that isn’t in the top 13 points against and they gave up 40+ points in their 1st 2 games.

On top of that in our 6 games we won the defense gave up 12.3 points against. If any QB can’t lead his team to score more than that then they don’t even belong in the NFL.

We lost 4 games by 3 or less points with Moore at the helm.
Moore in the 4th quarter:
Denver – Sacked and fumbles at own 35 yard line in OT which leads to game winning FG. Went and re-watched to confirm, Thomas picked up the blitz but missed the block but Williams came from the strong side, Moore held the ball up high with one hand. No pocket awareness by Moore at all.
NYG – 2, 3 and outs and another drive with 1 FD

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Was totally not done writing this, not sure why it posted.........

Wish there was an edit button, lol.

Cowboys – With a 2 point lead on 3rd & 7 with 3:30 left he throws way behind Bess on what would have been a 1st down. If he leads him like a top QB would it would have been a 1st down and maybe even would have gave Bess an opportunity to get YAC.
NE – With game tied in 4th quarter throws INT to setup NE with lead FG, then has 2 incomplete passes and a sack with NE scoring a TD on next possession. I’ll give him credit on scoring the late TD though.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What does this have to do with our gameplan going conservative in the 2nd half?

Where is civwarbuff, I need someone to compile what quarter all of Moore’s TDs were thrown in compared with attempts in the 1st half versus attempts in the 2nd half and long throws in the first half compared to long throws in the 2nd half.

Matt Moore played lights out in the first half on the regular only to be marginalized by his very own coaching staff’s philosophy in the 2nd half.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I don't have the full stats

but I went and rewatched the 4th quarter to gather my thoughts and information. :)

I would go through and break everything down on my own but I have to pay attention to the kids at some point during the day. lol

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You're confused....

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by Alpha6 on Jan 19, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand why...

there has to be only 4 MVP and 4 Franchise QB’s. I definitely think there should be a couple more guys in the Franchise category: Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford and possibly Michael Vick. That’s just my opinion though.

I think Matt Moore is where most people say: In between Placeholder and Winning, slightly edging towards the Winning side. I think he could easily move into that Winning group (and possibly beyond) if he were given the OTA’s, Pre-Season and a consistent Offensive Coordinator.

On a side note, it would be great if we quit playing the coaching musical chairs.

by Bill Moody on Jan 19, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

i agree with this...

the whole time that i am reading, i am thinking why does there have to be a set number of franchise, winning, etc. I understand what he is saying, but i just dont follow the logic. Alex Smith = Winning, 5 ints all year….c’mon. Matt Stafford = Franchise, the dude is pretty awesome.

And this dude needs to watch out for God’s wrath, Tebow is not replacable, at least not for another 2000 years.

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by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Trying not to rank the QB's individually

I used a quartile system because I was actually trying not to rank each QB individually. I didn’t want to get into a discussion of is Brady better than Brees or Rodgers. All of them are great and any team would take them as their QB.
Each grouping consists of QB’s that are more or less equal with one another. Some of them are rising and getting better (as in Stafford) and some of them are falling and getting worse (possibly Vick).
I tried to slot QB’s into the quartiles according to what they did last year weighted by what they have done their entire careers.
For example, Stafford had a great 2011, but he has a few average years complicated by big injury issues. And if you have 0 playoff wins I’m not sure you can be a franchise guy. At this point we don’t know if Stafford will have a career trajectory of a Philip Rivers after his first couple of years or potentially come crashing back to earth like Josh Freeman did this year.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

it would be great if we quit playing the coaching musical chairs.

Have to. Until there’s a consistant winning, playoffs, and a Super Bowl…

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by Alpha6 on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ok, but...

can we keep playing the QB cake walk?

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by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope. Someone stepped on the cake.

From the print, it was either someone small or a monkey….

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by Alpha6 on Jan 19, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know why you would put Matty Meltdown in the Franchise category

Until he wins a playoff game he’s no more then a Winning category. If we had drafted him we’d be trying to run him out of town.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 19, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

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by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO

I think Matt Moore is our guy for right now between Placeholder and Winning. He looked really solid those last 9 games of the season. We need to develop a team around him because he can throw the ball and his stats prove it this year.
Aaron Rodgers was not all that great his first years in the nfl since 05. The Packers gave away Farve and went with Rodgers and built a team around him. we cannot expect to get a “Rodgers” type quarterback right away. Matt Moore needs to develop and get used to our system.

by tlacey12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

This is the very definition of Matt Moore.
Placeholder: Has some skills, but to win consistently needs a really good team around them, including a good defense.

He did not win a game until the defense woke up. He certainly never won a game on his own.

I like your categories, but I wouldn’t list Ponder, Bradford, McCoy or Tebow* as having a negative effect and unable to take a game on their shoulders. (*Tebow may actually have a negative effect, but he’s the one most able to take over a game.)

by PNSter on Jan 19, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Young QB's difficult to define

When I was putting together the list and slotting everyone in, I really was surprised that the majority of the really young QB’s fell in at the end of the pile in such a big group. Obviously those guys have a lot of talent and have the potential to be MUCH better than they have played in the last year or two, but when you take their small body of work and compare it to the players above them, they just don’t stack up currently.
Maybe each player needs a little arrow next to them pointing up or down to show which way they are potentially heading as they move forward (Hasselbeck would have an arrow down, while Bradford or Ponder would have an arrow pointing up).
And as much as I admire Tebow, I think he is in for a tough road next year. D-coordinators will have a year to game plan against him and can study how to take away the couple of things he does really well. I placed him where I did because in most of the games I saw HE was the reason they had to have the 4th quarter comebacks as well as the one pulling the Broncos out of the fire. He really is a tough player to classify in any way.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I say play Matt Moore,

hope for the best and plan for Matt Barkley next year if Moore doesnt pan out. I am also on the Draft Kellen Moore in the 4th round bandwagon. We need to at least kick the tires on that kid.

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by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

That's the same thing we said last year.
hope for the best and plan for Matt Barkley next year if Henne Moore doesnt pan out.

by PNSter on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

but this time

we have a top 15 QB with a team that finished very hot.

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Go Dolphins!

by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Barkely is never going to happen

He is going to cost more than getting Luck or RG3 would this year. On top of that the team with the #1 pick will most likely be more QB needy than even the Colts are.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see how he will cost more than Luck,

but if that’s the strategy, Ireland needs to stockpile picks this draft. If he doesn’t, then I’ll agree that Barkley will be out of reach.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

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by joel311 on Jan 19, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

trade or first pick for another teams late first, next years first, and be ready to get the top talent available next year. If Matt Moore is the successful this year, that would only serve to help solidify our team even furhter next year. Many on this site claim to always want what is best for this team, but few are willing to give up this years picks to creat a even more super team next year.

The way i see it, we are currently a 10 win team if we play at the same level we closed at last season. Which to me, means that we do not need to make a huge splash this offseason by making huge draft day trades to land a top 3 pick or trade off our current roster to land an unproven commodity. This is the formula that the Patriots use year in and year out and their fans seem to be on board with it. I know the Patriots have Tom Brady, but they also could benefit every year from drafting a top defensive talent. Instead, they use their scouts to fill their holes (insert joke here) late inthe draft and stock pile picks for the next year so that they can grab big talent when they need it.

These are just my thoughts, I am sure many will feel that i am flat out wrong or misinformed. But this is how i see it.

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by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Patriots

More than a few critics would say that the Patriots have mismanaged their drafts over the last year and have been if anything, too forward thinking. When you have a great QB like Brady you have a window to win everything each year. The Patriots have now gone seven years without a title, and one could ask if they had 2-3 elite players from all those draft picks they accumulate and then trade for more picks the following years, would they have won another one or two SB’s in that period?

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they win I think people give too much credit to BB on his drafts

He has hit some real home-runs but has had just as many or more duds. In any given draft if you can come out with 2 or 3 solid starters you’re doing well.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You just made everyone's point that want RG3:
The way i see it, we are currently a 10 win team if we play at the same level we closed at last season.

If we are a 10 win team that makes us a fringe playoff team that will draft way too high to go for Barkley next year, if we take a chance on RG3 it will take us from fringe playoff team to closer to elite (assuming he comes anywhere close to his potential). If he doesn’t workout to be elite we will still be a 10 win team as you say and will have the chance to try for a QB in 2014.

Not many win by playing it safe, if Sean Payton doesn’t go for the onside kick in Super Bowl XLIV do the Saints win? You need a coaching staff that is willing to go outside the box and take chances, the same for the FO. It’s better to take a swing and strikeout than stand with the bat on your shoulder and get called out. We have the team that taking a chance is not going to ruin this team if it doesn’t workout. Worse case scenario is we stay at status quo.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

the difference to me is

not giving up this years and next years draft to land the potential for a great player. Through my plan, we would still be able to grab a stud late in this years first round and have 2 1st rounders next year. So we woudl be effectively only sacrificing little to land a potential great player next year.

I am not personally sold on RG3. i think he looks great and may have a tremendous upside. I would love to see him in aqua and orange, but i fear that we will be putting ourselves in a potential bad situation by giving up on this years and next years draft. Especially considering that Matt Moore could (possibly) be a great QB for this team. I am also not sold on Matt Moore, but it is hard for me to ignore how the team played with him at QB over the past 9 weeks of the season.

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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
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God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.

Go Dolphins!

by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The key to what you said
I am also not sold on Matt Moore, but it is hard for me to ignore how the team played with him at QB over the past 9 weeks of the season.

is how the TEAM played.

Moore played adequately but there was nothing he did that told me “this guy is our future”. He missed on a lot of throws (just cause it was completed doesn’t mean it was a good throw), locked on his receiver a lot and didn’t have very good pocket awareness (his 3-5 second timer was faulty).

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i hear you, but his results have left me feeling at least somewhat confient

in having him back again next year to compete for the starting job.

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Win for pride, Win for us fans!
God I hope we can knock the Jets out of the playoffs, I couldn't imagine despising a team and fan base more.

Go Dolphins!

by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

well the last time I checked , football " was " a team sport !

tom brady, arron rogers, peyton manning, do not win games by themselves, but yet are considered elite. A great QB, depends on the other 10 players on the field with him for his success and the other 11 on his defense.

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by daytonadolfan on Jan 19, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Peyton Manning does win games by himself :P

But RG3 is not going to be Peyton Manning. Andrew Luck might.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not true at all.

If we are a 10 Win team and we successfully fill holes at OLB, RT/RG and TE, that means we will be a great team next year. RG3 does not make us a great team next year.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He won't if we don't trade up to draft him
RG3 does not make us a great team next year.

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 20, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice freakin post. Rec'd.

And congrats on getting front paged.

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by Alpha6 on Jan 19, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with your assesment of Moore (maybe not so much toward "winning" category)

The thing with Moore is I think he had peaked at where he is. He showed me that he is nothing more than a marginal starter, very good backup.

Very well done, I see you joined recently, welcome to the Phinsider. :)

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Long time lurker, thought I’d finally join the discussion. Shout out to Curt Fennell’s phins.com and the newsfeed there for helping me find my way here about a year ago or so.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I was reading the Phinsider for over a year before I joined.

BTW when I first read your name I had to make a double take as I thought it was the same last name as the Rams owner (Kroenke). lol

by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

thought he was gonna rub the Fisher signing in our faces, did ya?...

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Stafford is already a franchise QB

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by FinsFromBrazil on Jan 19, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

I think he'll get there

I live in Dallas and was able to see him play a time or two when he was at Highland Park. No one is rooting for him more than I am, I’m a fan of all the Texas QB’s out there. I just think to reach that elite level, where you are the top 4-8 guys in the league, you have to do it for more than one year and you have to have some amount of playoff success.
Out of the eight guys I have listed in the two categories above him, I don’t think there would be any question about choosing them to play in a playoff game tomorrow over Stafford (with Romo being the lone exception). If Stafford has another monster year in 2012 like he did this year, I’ll gladly bump him up a category.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree, but if i had a playoff game tomorrow, I would want Stafford over both Romo and Rivers...

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

easily.

I would also take the Lions over the Cowboys and Chargers now too

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by BSerious72 on Jan 19, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Stafford played pretty brilliantly this year.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like your categories.

That’s one of the best ways I’ve seen it expressed. Too many people try to lump it into two categories: elite or not.

It’s a lot more subtle than that, and you’re expressed that well.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

you guys going to dominate the ravens this week?

I hope so, Ravens fans are just one level better than Jet fans in my book.

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by Phinphinatic on Jan 19, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope so.

We’ll see. I don’t take anything for granted.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 19, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I always see people trying to rank the QB’s individually and it just seems like a lost cause to do that. I was trying to figure out a way to put them in groups instead, so came up with the above method. Not perfect, but I’m not sure any method is.

by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No they're not, but this is as good as any of them I've seen.

Maybe better.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

TRADE DOWN

The dolphins should trade down and try to get a tackle and dwayne allen. We are all talking about trading up but what about trading down and getting a bunch of really good players. Maybe get a good pass rushing linebacker, right tackle, dwayne allen or even a receiver? Trading down would bring in a bunch of good players and that would be the "smart move." What if matt moore is the real deal? Get this team more talent and find out this year is what i say…. If he isn’t then we go after Barkley next year who will come in with a talented team just like were giving to Moore this year by trading down! ENOUGH WITH WASTING OUR 2ND ROUND PICK ON FOLES OR TANNEHILL THOSE DUDES ARE BUMS! DRAFT TALENTED PIECES !!!!

by edgeofgreatness11 on Jan 19, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

dont agree at all...

I do agree that Foles and Tannehill are not players I would go after, but that is exactly why we should trade up for RGIII now. The fact that people still believe Matt Moore can be a franchise QB is laughable and im tired of filling holes and waiting until next year to go after a QB. I feel like we do that every year, and guess what, next year there will be new holes to fill. It is time to finally take a chance on a Franchise QB. Every single team has holes, but great QBs have the ability to cover holes, just look at how the Colts were without Manning.

By the way, Barkley will go #1 overall next year and will cost almost as much to get as Luck will now. This team needs to stop screwing around and take a chance on a QB with all the tools to be great.

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 19, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed!

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It's déjà vu!
What if matt moore is the real deal?

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 19, 2012 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Except Matt Moore led the league in QB rating 2 out of 3 weeks.

Henne has NEVER shown the potential Matt Moore shows. Matt Moore has great touch, and a good deep ball. Far better TD:INT ratio too. If RG3 plays next year like Matt Moore this year, then people will be screaming from the rooftops that he is the next coming of Marino. The bias is astounding.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Moore has great touch

That’s complete BS, he threw behind receivers more often than not on his short-intermediate throws. How many times did Bess have to adjust to Moores throws? On pretty much every throw. Moore did throw a decent deep ball but he didn’t have “great touch”. Also, how many circus type catches did Hartline make?

Moore is a hot and cold passer and he goes in cycles during the game. He is not a good QB and never will be. Is he decent? For sure. Did he exceed expectations? Absolutely. The bottom line is we will never be a consistent elite team with him as our starting QB.

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Moore in nothing more than a good back up!! nothing more or nothing less!! He is a Thigpin

If he is our starter we have already lost!! We have a soft line up next year, if we have a good QB we could sneak into the play off like we did the first year off the Tri-fecta. Please Get us a true QB. I am betting we will be starting Henne next year and honestly I like that over Moore.

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by 21Dave on Jan 19, 2012 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

We've only beaten 1 team (2010 Packers) with a winning record outside the AFC East since 2006

QB is a big part of that. We beat 0 winning teams in 2011 including AFC East.

2007-0. 2008-Pats, Jets. 2009-Jets x2, Pats. 2010-Packers, Jets. 2011-0

We can’t compete with the top teams without a better QB.

by hbkDolphins on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, we beat Pittsburgh in 2010 and New Orleans in 2009 ;)

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah,

and we beat Oakland when they were 7-3 or 7-4 this year… with Matt MotherFucking Moore.

More of Moore in 2012!

Coples for our new 4-3!

'Phins phor Liphe!

by joel311 on Jan 20, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

and their only win after was KC in OT...........

Buffalo had a winning record the first time we played them too. :P

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

100+ posts

Who knew Matt Moore was worth 100+ comments?

by douglaskoehne on Jan 20, 2012 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

He's not. lol

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by Agent J 78 on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a backup

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