DRAFT Without a 1st Round QB
I think as Dolphin fans, we would all like to somehow see either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III end up as their 1st Round pick. We've also all heard the difficulties in this happening. The Colts would be crazy not to take Luck with the first pick, and both Cleveland and Washington both have an easier path to selecting Griffin. Personally, I think the Browns will pass and take the RB Richardson, with Griffin either going to the Redskins at #6 or earlier if they feel like they have to move up. The Seahawks could be in play as well if Griffin gets to #5, so the Dolphins have a LOT of competition.
The X-Factor is that one of these teams most likely will be taken out of the bidding due to Matt Flynn. He'll sign with one of these teams (Browns/Redskins/Dolphins/Seahawks) unless a mystery team ends up pursuing him (possibly the Chiefs?). I'd be happy if the Dolphins were that team as long as the contract doesn't get too crazy (I start getting nervous at anything over 5 years/$30 million for a guy who has started two games only in a great offensive system). In no way am I comfortable with a Kevin Kolb (5 years/$60+ million I believe) type deal for Flynn.
If the Dolphins could trade their 1st and 2nd to move up and get Griffin I'd do it. If they could trade their 1st this year and next year I would do it. Anything more than that, I think it is just a bad idea. The Dolphins have good, not great talent on their team and adding a rookie QB at this point will result in something along the lines of Gabbert/Ponder rather than Flacco/Ryan at this point. A rookie QB needs a talented team to step in and be successful, especially a good offensive line to allow them to have an extra second or so to make decisions on where to go with the ball.
So if the price is higher than listed above, my desire is to move on and fill in team needs as best they can with the top 3 picks. Here is what I would try and do if I was Jeff Ireland:
Step 1: Trade down in the 1st Round to pick up and extra 2nd/3rd Round pick. Whatever you can get. Just make sure you can get one of the top rated players on your board in the 1st Round that you absolutely know will step in and start this year. Positions of need include OT or OG, pass rushing end or LB, Free Safety, pass catching TE.
Step 2: With 4 picks now in the top 100 of the draft (after trade, hopefully mid-1st, 40 or so, 70 or so, plus the extra 2nd/3rd with the trade), take one of each of the above list of positions, whoever is highest on the board at that particular time. My preference would be taking offensive line, pass rusher, then TE, and finally safety. I'd be okay in getting another (yes, another) offensive lineman if one of the top 4-5 guys are still available in the 1st after the trade down. Add a free agent OG/OT (like Grubbs, Nicks, or Gaither) and the Dolphins would have one of the top 4-5 lines in the NFL. I'd also be okay with one of the pass rushing guys as the 1st Round pick, but I think in the end one of these guys could fall to us at #40, while there is no way one of the top OT/OG falls that far. Pass rushers are also not as much "sure things" as offensive linemen, so I'm skeptical of the guys that would be available from #15-25.
Step 3: Unless Dwayne Allen TE falls to #40, I would wait until the 3rd Round to pick up the TE. If you can get the best TE in the draft at our 2nd Round pick, take him. If he is gone, go after the best of the remaining pass rushers. If Mark Barron (safety) falls this far, I'm not in favor of taking him. He is more of a SS type and we have plenty of those (I think R. Jones will end up there after Bell retires and will do fine). If an OT/OG was not taken in the 1st Round (and a pass rusher was), I think that has to be the pick here regardless, even if Allen is still available.
Step 4: Third pick, whether it be in the 2nd or 3rd Round would be the best TE available, Barron if he falls this far, or a pass rushing DE/LB.
Step 5: With the Dolphins fourth pick in the first 3 rounds, I'd take the best FS available. I'm not sure who that is, just someone with good range, good ball skills, and has experience playing the middle of the field deep or against TE's. If a safety was picked earlier, then obviously pick whatever position hasn't been selected yet.
Step 6: With the Dolphins 4th Round pick - I would take a QB. I might even be convinced to take a QB in the 3rd Round if the Dolphins really weren't in love with any of the safeties (or have possibly signed a safety in free agency). Maybe this is Brandon Wheeden, who because of his age might be able to step in quicker than a younger QB prospect. Or it could be Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles, Russell Wilson, or whoever has potential to learn over the course of a year or two behind Matt Moore.
Step 7: In the later Rounds, fill in holes (maybe another pass rusher, offensive lineman, or even another QB they like).
This improves the entire team I believe, hopefully getting 2-3 starters out of the first 4 picks and 1-2 others that play an important role on the team. This gives us a strong, young offensive line. I think our WR/RB are set for next year, and although not elite, have a chance to be a top 10 offensive unit (especially with a pass catching seam TE in the mix and another year of Bush/Clay/Thomas playing together). The defense gets help in it's two main concerns - pass rushing and covering the middle of the field. It's a top 10 unit already and a good safety and second outside pass rusher to compliment Wake could push the unit into a top 5 defense.
This gives Matt Moore a solid team to work with on both sides of the ball. With his quality play over the last half of the year, I think he deserves a chance to lead the team next year. Bring in a rookie like Wheeden and an experienced third QB, and I think the Dolphins just might be a playoff team.
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Wow!!!
Dude, your draft scenario is straight out of my own head! I think it’s EXACTLY what we need to do. Trade down and pick the positions you mentioned in the order that you mentioned them. Awesome!
We have some common ground
We won too many games to be in the RG3 sweepstakes. If you can trade a 1 and a 2 for him, so be it. Otherwise trade down. I think if you are below 25, take Dwayne Allen. This team desperately needs a playmaker TE. After that grab best available player for need. Be it DE or OG or SS. M Moore earned a starting job. Don’t waste a pick to get a QB if you don’t think he can be THE GUY!! I am not a Matt Flynn guy because he had one good game. This team has wasted WAY TOO MANY pick getting QB who are one game wonders!!
Flynn scares me a bit
I think Matt Flynn could potentially be a good QB, but next year will he be better than Matt Moore? I don’t think there is any guarantee of that, and spending $30, 40, 50 million on that hope seems to me a fool’s errand. I think in the right situation potentially a few mid-round QB’s in this draft have potential to “BE” what Matt Flynn is right now in a couple of years. I’d rather pay them for that potential with a rookie level contract.
Can Matt Moore take us into the playoffs? I think with a full year of experience with the team, a better offensive line, and a good defense, the answer is yes. Can he take us to the Super Bowl? People are still asking if Alex Smith and Joe Flacco can lead their teams there – I guess we’ll see this coming weekend. I definitely think Moore is on par with Smith/Flacco, but obviously not as good as Manning/Brady. Giving Moore and offseason and full year to prove what he can be while stocking up on good young players seems to make the most sense to me right now.
by douglaskoehne on Jan 18, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like I already saw this one...
Wait .. I have been going to this SAME MOVIE FOR THE PAST 13 YEARS…. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME… I feel like I am in the movie Groundhog Day. We need to land that franchise QB so I get out of this same season…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 18, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Could have been so easy...
Damn that Matt Barkley.
This draft could have been a slam dunk if he had entered the draft. Maybe he was worried he would be drafted by Cleveland or Washington and couldn’t risk giving up the beaches of LA. Miami has beaches! There could have possibly been a payoff to him as well from radio call-in shows or online forums such as this, so that fans would have something to wrangle over for the next 4 months.
by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
If Barkley enters the draft either him or RGIII would be a Dolphin and we wouldn’t even have to trade up for him.
F BARKLEY.
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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let me just say...
I HATE IT. Don’t come out of this draft Mr. Ross without picking up either RG3 or Andrew Luck. I don’t care what it takes… we need that franchise QB. If you don’t feel RG3 is that guy… get Luck. Do whatever it takes. You might as well give up all your draft picks because no one is going to come to any games this year unless you have a franchise QB. Matt Flynn is a joke. He is the next Kevin Kolb, a product of a good system and nothing more. I WILL NOT GO TO A SINGLE GAME NEXT YEAR IF THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB. I am done watching guys like Ray Lucas come through here (although the game I saw he did really well.. but it was his only good game). If RG3 does flame out I promise to go to at least 2 games because it will at least be interesting. Give up 2 full drafts… who cares. How many full seasons have we given away hoping that we will find the answer some other way. I am done taking other teams castoffs and hoping they will be that guy for us. THAT NEVER WORKS. Here is the easy way to find a franchise QB:
1. get the first pick in the draft.
2. take a QB.
3. If he flames out … get the first pick in the draft again. (repeat step 1)
See that … all that talk about franchise QBs being hard to find…. its all a bunch of lies. Franchise QBs are really easy to find. We may not have the first pick in the draft… but we are in a position like no other team at the bottom of the draft. There are no other MAJOR holes in our team that can not be filled, by either young players stepping up, or by a few key moves in free agency. You lock up A REAL FRANCHISE NT and you are set.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
John Jerry can do the job at RT...
Clay and Fasano are good enough… would it be nice to get another TE… sure… but having a game breaking TE is not going to get us any closer to the playoffs if we don’t have THAT guy that knows how to get him the ball. We have tons of talent on offense but we are not using it because we don’t have anyone to get them the ball. I want a guy that makes big plays look easy. Clemmons is a good solid FS. So he doesn’t make huge plays.. If we get a NT that stops the run we put the offense in 3rd and long situations and even Koa Misi can do the job opposite Wake.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Most fail to realize this
I WILL NOT GO TO A SINGLE GAME NEXT YEAR IF THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QB.
There were a lot of empty seats last year and a lot of people that went to games last year won’t next year if the QB situation is not addressed. Too many people have just had enough and I think Ross and Ireland heard that loud and clear last year with the Orton situation (well and all the empty seats).
I am looking forward to seeing how RG3 does at the combine though. It wouldn’t hurt if he hired the same people that helped Newton last year.
You would not last as an NFL GM.
Here is the easy way to find a franchise QB:
1. get the first pick in the draft.
2. take a QB.
3. If he flames out … get the first pick in the draft again. (repeat step 1)
If it’s so easy, why is it NO TEAMS do it? You realize your scenario that is supposed to be so easy has only been done twice in the entire history of the NFL. And the only reason it happened those two times is because the player refused to play for the team drafting them. Here’s what happens to GMs that follow your advice………THEY GET FIRED and their teams are setback for years with no draft picks to rebuild with.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
by luvs2drnk on Jan 18, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
would you like for me to list the number of teams that got a franchise QB by sucking more than any other team?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 19, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
They still didn't have to trade for them did they?
Which left them with draft picks to help address other areas as well.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Just not a viable position
So, I’m trying to get the basis of what you want the Dolphins to do. You want the coach and GM and Owner to tell the team, “Hey guys, we are going to pay you $120 million total this year, but what we want you to do is go out and lose every game this year so that we are assured of getting the first choice in the draft next year.”
Really? Not sure the players would go for that, and I’m pretty sure the coaches who might be fired would either. And I’m almost positive that the Owner who is shelling out so much money would find that a successful strategy. And I do know me as a fan would not tolerate it either.
Sports are about pride and effort and doing your best and working as a team, not tanking games for the hope that some 21 year old QB will come in down the line and maybe lead your team to a Super Bowl. Especially when half the guys you are asking to tank wouldn’t be on an NFL roster the following year because they sucked so much. Didn’t work out for Jeff George, or Michael Vick yet, or David Carr, Tim Couch, Vinnie Testiverde, or Steve Barkowski. Just to name a few #1 picks.
by douglaskoehne on Jan 21, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry, where are you getting this stuff from?
So, I’m trying to get the basis of what you want the Dolphins to do. You want the coach and GM and Owner to tell the team, "Hey guys, we are going to pay you $120 million total this year, but what we want you to do is go out and lose every game this year so that we are assured of getting the first choice in the draft next year."
When did I ever advocate the whole “Suck for Luck” or any losing for draft position? I don’t even know how you came to such a conclusion. You really don’t know who you’re talking to if you’d even think I would consider such a tactic.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
So Indy has no pride, but they do have the #1 pick in said draft!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
They lost there coach so the players could give a chyt!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter to me how you get the first pick in the draft..
Most teams find their franchise QB in the top 5 picks… or at the very least in the 1st round of the draft.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 19, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
And I'm all for drafting a first round QB.
I just dont believe in overpaying for one.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
and we need a franchise QB...
Everything else we need is secondary… or possibly thirdary(did I just make that up?) to our needs:
1.) franchise QB
2.) franchise QB
3.) franchise QB
4.) franchise NT
everything else we have is good enough to get us to the Super Bowl. So why would we repeat the same silly plan that has been failing us for the past 13 years since Marino retired?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 19, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I agree we need a franchise QB.
I disagree that everything else we have is good enough to get to the Super Bowl. Our secondary is extremely suspect, we have no pass rush, our OL is totally inconsistent, we lack a deep threat WR, and an every down back.
I agree we need to change our strategy that we’ve been doing for the past 13 years. But that doesn’t mean you go off an do something that’s practically never done.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Wow
With that description of our team, the Dolphins really suck! I’m surprised they won 6 games and lost in the last few minutes of 5-6 other games.
by douglaskoehne on Jan 21, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
6-10 does suck.
And we wouldn’t have lost those 5-6 games in the last few minutes if not for the areas I just talked about. Do you even watch the Dolphins games?
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
can we please stop saying mr ross
dont do this all hes doing is signing a coach the rest is up the to the football people. i hope we get rg3 for the right price but if we trade a bunch of stuff and he sucks all you losers on here saying to do this will pretend like its his fault we mortaged our future for a bust. i say keep going the same path sign mccoy keep daboll keep bowles as dc and draft a qb where it fits, plus whose to say griffin doesnt drop i remember a certain qb dropping to the late first names rodgers and another one who is a god to all of us dropping far in marino. everything is cyclical in the nfl the pats are almost done and the rest of our division is behind us in rebuilding i think we are the next ones coming up. STAY THE COURSE IRELAND
You have to have a trading partner
I agree, in the best case situation it is imperative to get a #1 stud QB. But you also have to have a trading partner and the confidence that what you are giving up are worth the player you are getting. For Andrew Luck, I’m not sure if the Dolphins offered their entire draft (as NO did for Ricky Williams) would change the Colts mind in keeping the first overall pick for Luck. I just don’t see them doing it – they look at him as their starter for the next 10 years.
And as for offering whatever it takes to get RGIII – I’m just not convinced he is a “true” franchise, stud QB. I live in Dallas and I’ve seen a lot of Baylor games, and I think he has an amazing amount of potential. But like a lot of QB’s that play his style of game and who come from his style of college offense, there is absolutely no guarantee that he will progress to be a top 4 or top 8 QB in the NFL. Would you give up this year’s entire draft for Josh Freeman, or Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, or Alex Smith? These are the closest comparisons I can find in the last 5 years or so to RGIII. Are any of those guys worth even two first rounders at this point in their career? I’m not so sure, and I’m not so sure about RGIII that I would be waving a “do anything” sign at the Dolphins front office to draft him no matter what the cost.
he is every bit as athletic as Michael Vick.... maybe more athletic than him..
I would trade 2 first rounders for him easily. Ted Ginn, JR, Jason Allen, Ronnie Brown, Jamar Fletcher, John Avery, and Yatil Green… sign me up…. trading all of them … and their families …
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
RGIII vs. Vick
I’ve seen RGIII play and he ISN’T anywhere near the athlete Michael Vick was when he came out of college, and probably still doesn’t compare to Vick today. He is mobile and has a strong arm, but if Vick was a 10 athletically, then Griffen is about an 7.5 or 8. Griffen has better QB skills at this stage of development though and a better sense of reading defenses, but he has a long way to go yet in being completely prepared for NFL schemes.
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by rintintinsoldier on Jan 19, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Nice post btw
and I agree with most of it. I too believe there is a limit we should put on trading up. I don’t think we’ll match the asking price that St. Louis will request, but I think Washington or Seattle will. Just my opinion.
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by rintintinsoldier on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Huh? Griffin is an all around athlete as well as a track star. I think you are misinformed.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
RGIII is a great athlete
Please, don’t get me wrong. RGIII is a GREAT athlete and a very mobile QB. But Vick is…Vick. If RGIII had Vick’s athletic abilities he would be hands down the best QB to ever come out of college. Unlike Vick coming out of college, Griffen can throw with accuracy and read a defense. My comment was just pointing out that comparing his athletic ability to Vick’s was unfair to RGIII. He’ll never rush for a 1,000 yards in a season and he doesn’t have the same cutting ability that Vick has either (which was at the Barry Sanders level when he came out of college).
by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
He’ll never rush for a 1,000 yards in a season
This is because he will never have to.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I would consider it a good thing
if my QB never rushed for 1000 yards in a season. When has a team ever been successful in the NFL running their QB that much? Maybe you can make the playoffs here and there, but it’s not a sustainable offense at this level.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 19, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not sold on RG3... not at all.
Now I will admit – TCP was right and I ws wrong – RG is bigger than I thought (listed at 220-225) which is big enough… but I am still very concerned with his height, and don’t think he will measure up at the combine. Can he read defenses at the NFL level ? Very few can…..Also – the COMBINE really allows you to see the different skill set in play. It helps a lot to pick a QB – but the player also MUST HAVE a pretty good college career and at least 2 full seasons of starting and playing at a high level. I prefer 3 full seasons as a starter-against good to great competition. RG# does have a lot of these qualities – but I am just not trading a lot to get him…. as bad as we need a QB… I like Matt flynn (for Free) no draft pick…sadly we should trade down – and try and fill multiple holes – if not TRADE OUT until next years 1st round and go after MATT BARKLEY.
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Franchise QB... NOW !!! ...Draft Ryan Mallett ...Draft some Freakin speed for a change. WR & RB speed kills......
but I am still very concerned with his height, and don’t think he will measure up at the combine
I heard an interview with him on the Dan Patrick show right after the OU game. He was asked if he was actually 6’2. He told Dan that when he went to the combine and was measured without shoes on that he guaranteed that he would not measure out at 6’2 but slightly above. For me that is good enough!
Can he read defenses at the NFL levelI don’t know but what I do know is that the kid is very smart. On the winning play against OU the play called in from the sideline was a clock play. Griffin saw something in the defense and instead of clocking the ball he changed his protections and threw the ball in to the end-zone for the winning TD.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
RGIII I believe comes from a 1-2 read scheme
RGIII is definitely a smart QB and cannot in my mind be classified as your typical “athletic QB.” The offense they run at Baylor is a spread-type system that was developed in the high school ranks a decade ago and won consistently on that level. The Baylor coach brought it up to the college level, adding to it and developing it into a full college system. It’s a modified version of the spread offenses found throughout the Big 12 currently and Griffin has run it perfectly this year (as well as progressed in it each year he was there).
Reading an NFL defense using an NFL offensive scheme will be a jump for Griffin but I think he has a better than average chance of making that jump over a period of years. Expecting him to be Cam Newton or Michael Vick right off the bat I think is very unfair to Griffin, as he does not have their elite, off the charts athleticism.
Griffin will be a QB that would benefit greatly by sitting for a year and learning the speed, pace, and complexity of the NFL game. The best thing to happen to Aaron Rodgers was that he sat behind Favre for a couple of years and was able to digest things so that when he did start, everything wasn’t going at 100 mph. Contrast this to his draft-mate Alex Smith, whose career has been a nightmare before finally finding some success this year.
by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with that but when compared to Cam and Vick I believe he is a smarter kid. That goes a long way at
the next level.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
U already said...
“He is better than Cam newton” right now….which is not true… period.
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Franchise QB... NOW !!! ...Draft Ryan Mallett ...Draft some Freakin speed for a change. WR & RB speed kills......
He is a better passer then Cam is right now. Being able to run around gets you, well a 45 to 10 blowout against the Pats in the playoffs.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the exception
of sitting him, he his smart enough to learn quickly. Will he break records like Newton as a rookie, highly, highly unlikely. I also think he will be a better leader than Newton and Vick and will command much more respect in the huddle.
I read an article on Pro Football Weekly this morning that Steve Smith and John Fox want to see him take on a more leadership role as he displayed poor body language on the sidelines a lot, seemed almost disinterested in how his team was doing when he wasn’t on the field. You don’t want that in your starting QB. When on the sideline if he’s not checking photos or scouting reports he should be right there encouraging his teammates. How often do you see Brees, Rodgers or Brady sit on the sidelines with a towl on their head?
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Brock Osweiller in the 2nd round please
by ComedianTonyLaScala on Jan 19, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions
Give Matt Moore this season to see what we've got
Take Reiff with the first pick, and if possible trade back up to get TE Dwayne Allen. This would give Moore a strong line and an immediate impact player at TE to go along with a good running game and solid receivers.
Deal
Get the Dolphins to get a really good free agent pass rusher, and I’d be more than happy to see that scenario.
by douglaskoehne on Jan 19, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think this is our best case scenario. We can probably outbid Houston for Mario Williams since we’re not tying up a bunch of money in a 1st round QB. Plus he went through the 4-3 to 3-4 transition phase last year, and was really starting to dominate when he got injured. Houston’s defense was able to play well without him, so I doubt they’d spend all that much to keep him.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
since we’re not tying up a bunch of money in a 1st round QB.
Cam Newton signed for 4 years and 22 million.
I would be surprised if Williams is not franchised. The price for the FT went down over 3 million a year. If he’s not I’d love to have him in Miami.
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RG3 is a better athelete then most think. The kid was a championship hurdler and was a one step away from representing the USA in the olympics.
We’ll have to wait and see next month at the combine. I think he’ll surpise some people. Just my opionion.
I agree. I don't know how people do not see that he is a world class athlete.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
smh
Me either, it’s more than that though. Its all the intangibles that I like about this kid.
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True. Hope we trade up to number two to grab him.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Me too, think it will happen
as much as a lot seem to be opposed to “selling the farm”.
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It depends on what selling the farm entails.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
I can see us trading away Offence BM, Special Teams Gates, Defence Starks
Our #1s in the draft!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 20, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
Ok. Done!
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 20, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Simple wasn't it, now can we say world peace!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 20, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I have been working on that but thats going to take a bit longer it seems.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
by texascowpunk on Jan 21, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Can i get a simple reply, who on this entire site thinks Flacco, is a starting top 10 QB., oh by the way he is in the championship game?!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 21, 2012 11:58 AM EST reply actions
Flacco is a top 16 QB
I don’t think Flacco is elite, but he makes plays when he needs to make plays, has a strong arm, can scramble and get out of trouble to keep plays alive, and has been fairly consistent in his play so the team and coaches know what to expect from him during a game. All that adds up to a top half of the league QB (top 16), but not a top 8-10 QB.
At least in my opinion. And I do think the Ravens can win a SB with him, especially with their running game and defense.
by douglaskoehne on Jan 21, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions

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