Potential Miami Dolphins: New Orleans Saints Guard Carl Nicks
It's no secret that the Miami Dolphins' 2011 offensive line needs upgrading heading into 2012. Pro Bowler Jake Long needs the offseason to recover from lingering knee and back issues, not to mention the torn bicep he suffered in Week 16. Center Mike Pouncey played extremely well in his rookie season, earning a slot as an alternate for the Pro Bowl. Left guard Richie Incognito was solid, benefiting from the presence of Long to his outside.
But, the right side of the line was a mess. Right tackle Marc Colombo may as well not have even been on the field for most plays. Right guard Vernon Carey was busy dealing with a position change, having moved inside from right tackle to guard, and trying to assist Colombo. And, Carey is not getting any younger.
The Dolphins have some developing players who can assist in revamping the line, with Lydon Murtha coming back this offseason after being placed on injured reserve in the preseason, John Jerry showing an ability to fill in at left tackle when Long missed time, and utility lineman Nate Garner filling in all across the line. But, the Dolphins are sure to be looking elsewhere to upgrade the line this offseason.
In to the picture steps New Orleans Saints' guard Carl Nicks. Nicks is scheduled to be a free agent come March, and with the Saints having to worry about quarterback Drew Brees, Nicks should hit the open market. The Saints gave Jahri Evans, their Pro Bowl right guard, a seven-year, $56.7 million extension last year, which would make it very unlikely that the team could afford the price tag Nicks should be seeking.
Nicks is seen as one of the top guards in the NFL and, according to Adam Schefter, is "expected to leave" New Orleans.
If the Dolphins are going to actively look to upgrade the offensive line, one of the first targets should be Nicks. With the Dolphins eighth or ninth pick in the upcoming draft lining up more and more to look like the team may address their right tackle position with either Riley Reiff or Jonathan Martin, the addition of Nicks could lead to one of the top offensive lines in the game.
But, if the Dolphins want Nicks, they are going to have to be aggressive as soon as free agency opens. Nicks is going to be in demand - and Miami cannot afford to wait.
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I don't think we have the cap room, do we?
I’d love to see it though. Kick vernon carey back to the outside or see if Jerry could develop any game on the right side. My slow white a$$ could run behind that line.
by Youngstown_Phinatic on Jan 16, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions
if we don't resign Soliai, Carey, and Colombo
we have about 28 million dollars of cap space
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"
28 million
almost 25% of our cap… lets get crazy…….
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by NickCallaway on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Make it happen!
Would be a fantastic pickup. It would solidify our O-Line and it would likely improve our chances of trading up for RG3 instead of drafting Reiff with the 8/9 pick
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by AlejandroN on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
or...
have a OL like this:
Long – Nicks/Incognito – Pouncey – Nicks/Incognito – Reiff
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by NickCallaway on Jan 16, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
To protect an average QB. Nice! Another olineman taken in the top 15
That’s only the third since 2008. Seems to be working well for us.
No. We need to draft a first round QB talent for once.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"
So....
Luck goes #1 – RG3 goes #2 or #3.
Who’s the first round QB talent to take?
Sept. 26, 2010 - 2013 Draft Kyle Padron Bandwagon
by Kevin Nogle on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
mos
im sure you know, people dont realize the cost of moving up to get a good QB is soo high that it would actually hurt us.
that OL with moore and a bush/thomas combo would be a very solid OL.
Best OL in Football:
Pouncey
Incognito Nicks
Long Reiff
by NickCallaway on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
very solid offense***
Best OL in Football:
Pouncey
Incognito Nicks
Long Reiff
by NickCallaway on Jan 16, 2012 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If BM was worth two 2nd round picks
Why would 2 1st rounds, a 2nd round and a 2013 mid round pick be too high for a franchise QB?
Not to mention you add a talent like RG3 and it makes the team that much more attractive to FA next offseason.
it has been working well
we have one of the best left tackles in football.
we have a young, future pro bowl center.
not to shabby for me..
Best OL in Football:
Pouncey
Incognito Nicks
Long Reiff
by NickCallaway on Jan 16, 2012 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
6-10 is working well to you?
Glad you set your sights low, I see where you are going with that, it makes it less disappointing.
I yearn for a time when the rest of the AFC East are looking up to us, until the QB position is sorted out it will always remain us lucky to win 10 games. Matt Moore is NOT a franchise QB and never will be.
You must be god
Will RG3 & Luck be franchise Qb?
Wish we could sim this season
by biggaandbadda on Jan 17, 2012 5:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Luck, 90% chance he turns out to be a franchise QB.
RG3, I give much less of a chance. I’d say about 40%.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
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There is a very good chance both are
But until they have played at least a season in the NFL no one will know for sure. I have seen Moore play a full season and he is NOT a franchise QB. Is he serviceable? Yes He would be one of the better backup QB in the league but a franchise QB Matt Moore will never be.
If the big tuna taught you anything, it's that good football is played from the inside out.
Not a big parcells fan here but it is true. Qb’s were running for their life this year. Nobody will be successful back there without some help. A better line equates to a better run game, a better passing game, and better all around offense. I stand behing the pouncey at fifteen pick from last year.
by Youngstown_Phinatic on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions
If the last 15 Super Bowl winners have taught you anything
it’s that winning football starts with the QB.
I agree with the Pouncey pick last year as well, mostly because he was the BPA available at a position of need. Show me a top team that had drafted 3 OL in the 1st round over a 5 year period, especially one that doesn’t already have a top QB.
I agree though
If your defense is one that can be called one of the best all time, your qb can be average. The 85 bears come to mind. Sadly defenses like that aren’t a dime a dozen.
You can't draft a QB that you can't protect.
Look at Ponder, look at Gabbert. Their fanbase might turn on them before they get the proper protection necessary to succeed as a young QB.
And that Long over Ryan pick is starting to look better and better. Ryan is not going to carry any team to The Super Bowl. He can’t even get out of the first round of playoffs. He is a middling QB.
Matt Moore flashed a lot of talent this year, and that’s with a turnstyle on his right side. You get that man more time and we will see an even more productive offense next year than we saw the 2nd half of this year. Not to mention, the big QB class is now next year. Prepare for that by accumulating picks this year so moving up next year doesn’t hurt as much. It also gives Matt Moore the time to show he can be a franchise QB. Considering RG3 isn’t NFL ready (why spend a Top 10 pick on a project??), he would have to sit behind Moore this year regardless.
Accumulating picks for next year that will allow us to draft an NFL ready top QB in case Moore does not play like a franchise QB is the logical move.
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
'Phins phor Liphe!
We already have an All-Pro LT, a Pro-Bowl caliber center
Add a guy like Nicks (another All-Pro), you have 2 solid guards and let Murtha and Jerry fight it out in training camp for RT and we have an excellent OL (not many OL, if any at all, can boast 3 PB caliber offensive linemen). The only thing missing on the “O” is a #2 WR (Hartline is serviceable in that role), seam stretching TE (Clay “might” develop into that role) and the most important a QB.
We are screwed by Ireland anyway...
We are at best, rebuilding. We still may see a turnstile of Coaches before Ireland gets kicked to the curb. Build the line and give MM a chance to get comfortable. I think he will get even better. Look at what happens when Drew Brees gets harrassed in the pocket…..NOTHING! Until that line is solid, you can not truly make a call on Matt Moore.
I expect a signing like Nicks and one other "significant" signing
Most likely on the “D” side of the ball; there are a lot of very good CB that should be available. He will probably be franchised but a guy like Cortland Finnegan would really add another level of nasty to our D. He and Davis would really mask our issues at FS, speaking of which Michael Griffin would be another potential option. The signing will most likely dip back into the Cowboys fraternity with Anthony Spencer being the latest ex-Cowboy to join the Phins.
Davis could then declare the Dolphins have the
Best tandem in the NFL and actually have a case. lol
Oh and I like Finnegan if for no other reason, that his last name is almost the same as mine. :)
Unless Mario Williams becomes a free agent (not likely)
then Nicks should be our top FA priority.
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Nicks would be a nice pickup, but probably would want too high a salary. Miami’s best solution would be to try John Jerry at RT and draft a guard.
Nicks will cost about the same as Evans got from the Saints
Evans counted 4.7 million against the cap, if we don’t resign Carey that’s 2.5 million available. Also if we resign Soliai his salary will be much, much lower. If he had a cap hit even as high as Wilfork we will be saving 8 million there as well. Our cap situation is actually really good. We have a lot of room with few free agents this year.
I disagree Mosul
I don’t think this team can afford to tinker with an Offensive Line that outside of Colombo is really very solid. The Offensive LIne in my opinion is the most unfairly maligned unt on the team and the major overhaul of the line from 2010 to 2011 (in combination with Reggie Bush but to a lesser extent) is the primary reason for the drastic change this team saw in its ability to run the football. To spend big money in free agency on a Guard no matter how talented they are is a waste of valuable cap room.
The primary issues on offense are A.) inconsistant play at Quarterback and B.) which is just as concerning and has become a problem that management has been unable to fix is the lack of explosion, depth and ability to seperate at receiver and Tight End.
The offense from 2010 to 2011 went from 28th in the league (YPA) to 11th in the league (YPA) with a major overhaul to the interior of the offensive line and at the runningback position. Both of which were effective outside of the Colombo move (which is at Tackle obviously rather than Center or RG) and the Daniel Thomas draft pick which has been a mixed bag and there are some things there that really concern me. However the moves at Tight End and receiver were ineffective and I believe that Jeff Ireland’s decision to head into 2011 only adding Charles Clay (a 6th player and a situational player) and Edmond Gates at receiver and Tight End was a massive underestimation of the problem.
Look at some of the games we lost, I could use the Denver game but I have used that game multiple times so I will use the Giants game and the Eagles game. In both games the team suffered injuries to the offensive line. In the Giants game the team entered the contest without Richie Incognito (which we were overcame with Nate Garner) however as soon as Mike Pouncey went out in the 4th quarter the team could no longer run the ball (remember we only had 17 points at that point anyway) and the personnel issues at Tight End and receiver were accentuated. They began to condese the field with their safeties and were playing press man every snap with Bracket and Roll coverage on Marshall. Depsite the improvement in the running game we have noone besides Bess and Marshall who are dangerous enough to consistantly create seperation and Matt Moore isn’t good enough to carry the team, he isn’t Tom Brady. Speaking of whom did this year behind a line that was reshuffled every week and led to more Quarterback hits on him than in his career but they have awesome explosion and diversity and Tight End at receiver. They went 13-3!!!!!!
In the Eagles game the story was the same. Injuries on the line lead to problems running the ball, their coverage went strict press and Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen began to squeeze the field and contest every route. They had the luxery of Bracketing Marshall every snap and putting their best corner (typically Asomugha) on Bess. It is unacceptable that teams can run those types of coverages on us and that despite the drastic improvement in the running game it is disappointing that the offense only improved by three slots with a full offseasson dedicated to that side of the ball.
I love what has happened on the line and Colombo needs to be replaced but until these issues are fixed the offense will remain stagnant.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I disagree with you, buddy.
The left side of the line was very solid, but what truly helped our running game was the play-calling. We took so many shots downfield that the defenses were forced to play further off of the line, giving our running game more room to succeed.
Matt Moore can really sell a play-action as well, too bad we stopped doing that effectively. It would have been much more effective if PA happened on 1st down more often, considering we ran on first down 80% of the time at the end of the season (that’s a number I am pulling out of my ass).
More of Moore in 2012!
Coples for our new 4-3!
'Phins phor Liphe!
Hey Joel.
Heres the thing. I hate to generalize about the teams successes or struggles becauses there are always multiple factors that go into them. In football as in life there is no one reason why something happens or why things are the way they are.
I also understand that it is dangerous talking about The Dolphins in terms of lacking weapons when you are dealing with a team that finished second in the league in 20 plus yard plays only behind Green Bay. There are three things I will say to this. First I liked Brian Daboll and the offense that he implemented and as the season progressed I loved how willing Matt Moore was to take shots downfield and that is a factor. Second is as I said the running game. Teams that struggle against the run from a personnel standpoint or a schematic (The Raiders were arguably that example) one were forced to play gap defense which limits the coverages they can run against The Dolphins. The Third thing is that despite this, and the massive number of 20+ yard plays (again second only to Green Bay) the Dolphins still finished 24th in the league in yards per play only three slots better that 27th the Dolphins finished in 2010.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2011&seasonType=POST&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=SCRIMMAGE_YDS_PLAY_AVG
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=POST&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=SCRIMMAGE_YDS_PLAY_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2010&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true
This last stat bears it out. The lack of consistancy in these numbers and the huge discrepancy in them is very telling. The team has explosion, but only when seeing certain coverages. Daboll would sting teams that allocated too many resources to the ground game and he would try to burn teams if their coverages were too aggressive (and this team saw ALOT of press in 2011) resulting in the huge plays that the team saw. However as these stats show there was no consistancy to this. As I said the numbers bear this out. 11th in the league in the runninggame (YPP), second in 20 plus yard plays yet 24th in total offense (YPP). So I think its the opposite of what you said.
Again though their isn’t no one general reason for this especially in a season where the Offense developed under a new Quarterback as much as it did.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
That these things didn't get addressed was a major mistake IMO of this management.
However Jeff Ireland did address soem areas effectively as I pointed out above. If the Dolphins make a major move in Free Agency for Carl Nicks or draft a Right Tackle at nine however I will have lost all faith in this managements judgement.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Although the Quarterback issue maybe should be kept aside when assessign Irelands first offseason.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Can we afford Nicks and Flynn?
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Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
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