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PotM's Offseason: Flynn Edition

There are essentially three stages to any off-season:

1) Re-signing current players

2) Signing Free Agents

3) Drafting and signing Rookies.

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Any team that wishes to be successful must use a mixture of these stages otherwise they will not be able to keep up with all of the holes that are created because of various reasons ranging from retirement, aging, losing a FA and drafting busts.

Head Coach

Joe Philbin

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Philbin has been in the Green Bay Packers O for a while now and is up for a Head Coaching job. I think that his interview with the Phins before the Packers were out of the hunt means he wants out and that the Dolphins have his interest. We need to seal the deal and grab him.

He is the only one of the HC prospects that can acclaim to have develop a franchise QB, that QB being Rodgers, arguably the best QB in the league right now. If Rodgers keeps up his produciton, he will definitely be a HOFer. Isn't that nice? Our new HC developed a future HOfer.

Re-signings

Kendall Langford - Defensive Tackle - 6' 6" - 295 lbs. - 25 years old

Langford is coming off of a down year where he only recorded half as many tackles as in previous year and recorded absolutely zero sacks. Still, the man brings good depth to a good, young DL. We should sign him to a 3 year $9 million contract.

Phillip Merling - Defensive End - 6' 4" - 270 lbs. - 26 years old

Merling will be asked to lose the weight down to his pre-draft weight when he was a very good pass rusher in college. Sparano made this 2nd round pick to become an interior lineman and it didn't work out. Well, now is the time for Merling to get a chance as a pass rusher. 2 year, $3 million.

Brian Hartline - Wide Receiver - 6' 2" - 186 lbs.

Hartline has developed an ability to make circus catches along the sidelines, making him a bigger threat at WR. He already has good YAC ability, good route running and great hands. Hartline has a knack for making the big play as well, and is one of the main reasons why we had so many passes over 25+ yards. 5 years, for $22 million and $5 million in guarantees.

Adjusting to the 4-3 Base Defense

Along the Line, we will need to change positions. Starks will be asked to gain weight again and play the 1 technique Odrick will start next to him as the DT that disrupts the interior part of the line in passing situations. Due to fatigue, Langford and McDaniels will see regular action. Misi will fight Merling as Misi is a decent option, but is not a pass rusher.

At Linebacker, Burnett will likely be the SOLB, Dansby will be the MLB and Guyton will be the WOLB. Burnett has the athleticism to play the SOLB spot well and Dansby has played the position before. Misi has shown deftness in zone coverage and is not shabby in space, highlighted by the fact he is rarely throw at. If a rookie comes in and lights it up as a WOLB, Guyton will be excellent depth.

Free Agency

Jake Scott - Offensive Guard - 6' 5" - 295 lbs. - 30 years old

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Scott will fill the need for a pulling Guard and will not cost an arm and a leg to get. We should be able to sign him to a 3 year 15 million dollar contract.

Gary Guyton - Weak-Outside Line Backer - 6' 3" - 245 lbs.

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Guyton was a very good cover backer for the patriots in 2009 and 2010. With the implementation of Spikes in the Patriots lineup, Guyton has only seen the field on passing down mostly, but his overall athletic ability should be able to transition well to the 4-3 D. 3 years, for $10 million.

Matt Flynn - Quarter Back - 6' 2" - 225 lbs.

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Matt Flynn has shown a lot in limited action. Joe Philbin trusted Flynn a lot. Most times when a backup QB comes in for your franchise QB, you try to keep the pressure off of his shoulders. Run the ball, play solid D, and let the backup manage the game. Philbin must have seen something in Flynn in Pre-season and in practice to lead him to believe that he could put the ball in Flynn's hands.

Flynn didn't disappoint. While many will point out that his WRs made a lot of YAC yardage, Flynn consistently put the ball in the best position to get YAC. Flynn also made plenty of nice, deep sideline passes as well. While the Lions do not have a great pass D, they have enough weapons to not overlook the game. The have great interior pass rushers and Avril is a very good edge rusher. While their LBers and CBs leave something to be desired, their Ss are a very good duo. You can't overlook a near-500 yd 6 TD game against this D, even if the D has holes.

To those who say we have been there done that when it comes to backups, we haven't tried a GB backup QB. GB backup QBs have a history of becoming good QBs in this league. The past two Pack QBs were once backups, Farve and Rodgers. Maybe Flynn continues this trend for GB backup QBs.

I would expect Flynn to take a little less to keep with his coach. A 5 year deal, $55 million year deal with $15 million in guarantees.

The Draft

Trade Alert! The Dolphins trade the 2012 1st Rounder for the Bears 2012 1st, 2nd and 5th round picks. The bears move up to pick up their #1 WR that they desperatey need and we trade down to pick up more talent.

With the 19th pick of the 2012 draft, The Miami Dolphins pick Dwayne Allen, Tight End, out of Clemson!

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With the first pick in our draft, we pick up an elite TE for our new franchise QB. This will let Clay and Fasano complement a great TE and will lead to better TD efficiency in the red zone.

With the 40th pick in the 2012 NFL draft, the dolphins select Dwight Jones, Wide Receiver out of North Carolina.

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Jones is a big body WR that has shown great ability to gain separation and get YAC. He also has shown the ability to get down the field and make the big play. Jones had a great season without a good QB to throw at him. He would have been a 1st rounder if he went to a bigger program. UNC has been a pipeline lately for NFL WRs and Jones is the latest edition. We got a big body WR for our QB to target. In the first two rounds, we stacked our WR and TE corps with a lot of talent.

With the 51st pick of the 2012 draft, the Miami Dolphins select Frank Alexander, Defensive End out of Oklahoma

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We got our pass rusher to go opposite of Wake. He is a big, strong DE that is a physical freak. Perfect fit for the SSDE position.

With the 72nd pick of the draft, the Miami Dolphins select Sean Spence, Outside Linebacker out of Miami.

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We now have a great LBing corps to go behind a stout DL. Spence will not have a lot of pressure with our other two LBers, Dansby and Burnett, leading the way. Spence just needs to do his job and let the plays come to him.

With the 104th pick in the 2012 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select Andrew Datko, Offensive Tackle out of FSU.

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We now have drafted an Offensive Tackle to compete with Murtha and Jerry for the RT spot on the OL.

In the 5th round of the NFL draft, The Miami Dolphins select Blake Gideon, Free Safety out of Texas.

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Jeff Ireland tries his hand at another 5th round Free Safety. The good news is that he was one of the better cover men on the Longhorn team, being one of the few defenders that had a good game against Baylor and Giffin IIII.

In the 6th round of the draft, the Dophins draft Gerrell Robinson, Wide Receiver, out of Arizona State University.

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This guy exploded this season and with his huge frame and leaping ability, he has a lot of potential. He has deceptive speed and can get YAC if you give him a cushion. He uses his size well to beat the jam. He can find the soft spot in the zone or beat his guy in man coverage. The concerns is that he hasn't had back to back productive years and that the conference he plays does not have great Ds. But some of those concerns could be calmed with his strong game against Boise St.

In the 7th round, the Miami Dolphins draft Matt Merletti, Strong Safety, out of UNC

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Was having a great season until the injury. He had surgery on his MCL and ACL mid-season, but before that time he racked up 2 INTs and 2 forced fumbles to go along with his 36 tackles. He is a disciplined defender that fell this far because of the injury.

Positional Battles

Right Tackle: Andrew Dakto vs. John Jerry vs. Lyndon Murtha

I have faith that whoever wins this battle will be more than adequately fill the Right Tackle spot for the next 10 years. Josh Oglesby should be brought in as an UDFA.

Strong Safety: Yeremiah Bell vs. Reshad Jones

Unless Jones has an epiphany, this is Bell's job. Bel is too much of a leader on the field and is too smart of a safety to lose to a young gun that doesn't know when to take his shots and takes bad angles.

Free Safety: Chris Clemons vs. Blake Gideon

Clemons is a clever vet that is very good in coverage, but doesn't get the INTs to be the FS we are looking for. He is great in run support though and causes plenty of FFs. If Clemons starts next season, we will be a piece away from a great D, but he won't be a liability the DC has to account for.

Back Up Tight End: Anthony Fasano vs. Charles Clay

Unless Clay learns how to block better, Fasano will still start. It is no doubt that next year Clay will be the all round better receiver, but there is more to the TE position than catching it, you also have to block.

Back Up Defensive End: Koa Misi vs. Phillip Merling

Merling had a lot of promise coming into the NFL as an 3-4 rush backer, but Parcells thought he would be better along the interior. That didn't work, so Merling will move back to the position he played at in college to great success. Misi could be a solid DE, but hasn't been much of a pass rusher at SOLB. Then again, he played a lot in coverage, which says a lot in and of it self or it could mean that Nolan didn't like to call 5 man blitzes that often, which he didn't.

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For got to mention in the post:

As you can see in the picture, Frank Alexander has the ability to fly like Superman.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 3:30 AM EST reply actions  

I actually like the draft. I'm on board for the trading down scenario.

But if trading down that far, I’m looking to get a 2013 first rounder.

I’m not a big fan of Philbin, although he does seem to be the best choice of what’s left. I wouldn’t say he developed Aaron Rodgers though. That honor would go more to McCarthy (QB coach when Rodgers was drafted) and Tom Clements (QB coach since 2006).

I also don’t like the idea of changing to a 4-3 defense. We just don’t have the right personnel to implement it, and why blow up a top 10 unit and start from scratch?

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So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Jan 16, 2012 4:43 AM EST reply actions  

It is only 11 spots. I didn't want to over-estimate the trading power of that, but keep it realistic.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

11 spots is worth a 2013 first rounder.

You might not get much else, but that’s ok.

I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, McCarthy would likely be our new OC.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

So Clements.... I didn't get who the QB coach was.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm also not big on the Flynn signing.

Can you name 5 back-up QBs that have been signed as starters by other teams and become franchise QBs? I’ll even give you your first, Matt Schaub. But even I’m drawing a blank after him.

Cassel doesn’t count as he’s only had one good year in KC out of 3.

Brett Favre doesn’t count cause he wasn’t the back-up. He was the 3rd string rookie.

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So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Jan 16, 2012 4:56 AM EST reply actions  

Brees is another one. Michael Vick is another one. Jay Fiedler:
Fiedler’s stint with the Miami Dolphins featured three 10+ win seasons in four years, two 11–5 seasons in 2000 and 2001, an AFC East title, and two postseason appearances including a victory for the Miami Dolphins. During these years, the Dolphins’ offense lagged notably behind its defense, which featured perennial Pro-Bowlers in linebacker Zach Thomas, defensive end Jason Taylor, and cornerbacks Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain.

Kurt Warner was bagging groceries before his stint in St. Louis.

And going back to the 90’s there was Doug Flutie. "John Madden once said, “Inch for inch, Flutie in his prime was the best QB of his generation.”"

So, you would agrue that 3rd string QB = NFL starter? You are either a starter or a backup.

Although, you have to look at a QB in a case by case basis. Flynn has shown none of the problems we have been plagued with the past few years. He is very accurate and can place the ball where the WRs can get YAC. He also has very good ball placement when throwing it down field. He also trows many more TDs than INTs, although he has thrown an INT in both games he has played in. That comes from being a gunslinger, which is fine when you are averaging over 4 TDs a game.

Also, the purpose of this post was to show the possibility of us getting Flynn and what our off season could look like if we got him.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Brees was not the backup in SD...

Vick was drafted in the first round with pick #1 in the draft… if he started off as a backup, I am not sure I would count that…

Fieldler sucked. There I said it. He was just barely good enough to make a ridiculous defense just barely get into the playoffs only to get eliminated. He was the Matt Moore of that time. He was not exactly a franchise QB, and if that is the case you are making … you lose. Tha defense also featured some big guys up front that stuffed running plays in the backfield.

Kurt Warner I will give you, and also Doug Flutie. But everyone knew Flutie was special. He won the Heisman trophy didn’t he? But they didn’t think he could make it at the NFL level because he was only 5’10".

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Brees was the second best QB on a team, so he was the backup de juir.

Vick was a Free Agent after getting out of prison. He is now a better QB than he ever was before.

Fiedler was a good veteran QB and did well on an O that had little talent. He wasn’t a great QB, but he got the job done. As evidenced by three 10+ win seasons in four years.

The thing is, you have to look at each case on it’s own merits, not say that you don’t like a particular method of getting a QB without analyzing the prospect.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

So the FO shouldn't analyze anything and let ESPN tell them what to do?

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ok ... here is what I see...

I see a 7th round draft pick with 2 starts under his belt. We want to throw big money at him because we think he is as good as Aaron Rodgers because he had 1 good game. I am sorry for being so negative… but I have seen this one before…. too many times to count. The only difference is we don’t have to give up draft picks to get him. But we will wind up paying the guy more than he has proven he is worth. Did I mention that I have seen this one before…. many many times…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, technically 2 good starts. If Philbin comes in and says we must get Flynn,

he has seen him for multiple years and knows insider info on Flynn.

Also, many want to draft a QB from a conference known for great passing O and weak Ds, with only 2 games against good Ds and only two really good seasons.

It isn’t like either choice is without risk.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I don't like either choice.

But I’m patient. I can wait another year to draft a first round QB.

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So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

SD didn't know if Rivers was better than Brees.

But he’d already been sitting for two years, and Brees injury gave them the opening to drop him. And by how each has played since, it would appear Rivers wasn’t better.

FA is not a backup.

Fiedler got to 10 wins because he was playing with the top 10 defense every year and two years of Ricky Williams.

If you can provide me with a backup that has actually panned out, I’m all for going on a case by case basis. But first you have to show it’s possible.

I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.

by luvs2drnk on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you miss the objective?
name 5 back-up QBs that have been signed as starters by other teams and become franchise QBs

Kurt Warner was a backup on St. Louis and then became a franchise QB for St. Louis. So he was already a franchise QB before he was signed by another team. That drops your count to 4.

Doug Flutie was never a franchise QB, which is why he’s never been a team’s starting QB for more than 2 years in a row. Now you’re down to 3.

Michael Vick? Really? He may have been a backup as a rookie, but was the Falcons starting QB for 5 years until he was arrested. So he does not fit the criteria. Down to 2.

I’m not even going to address Jay Fiedler. The fact you even brought him up is laughable. Nothing about Fiedler says franchise. Just because a QB starts for a team more than 3 years does not make them a franchise QB. Down to 1.

Drew Brees was the starting QB for SD until his injury and the drafting of Phillip Rivers. So when he was signed by the Saints, he was not a backup. Down to 0. You’re out of examples.

You’re really going to quote Madden? You do realize Montana, Marino, Young, Elway were all a part of Fluties generation right?

I think you’re stats on Flynn are a bit off. Averaging 4 TDs a game? He’s played in 34 games, and has thrown 9 TDs, with 5 INTs. You realize he’s only getting all this hype because of two games. TWO. I’ll believe the hype when he does it for an entire season, on a team less talented as the Packers. I just don’t want us to be the ones taking that chance.

No I’m not arguing 3rd string QB = starting QB. I’m simply stating he was not the backup. He was the backup to the backup. Nobody calls the 3rd string QB the backup. He’s called the 3rd stringer for a reason. The backup is the guy who’s active for gamedays. The 3rd stringer is the guy running the practice squad offense.

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by luvs2drnk on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Philbin is the right guy for us...

He doesn’t even have the authority to call the plays in the game. That means he is kinda a offensive coordinator. He has never been a head coach. Cam Cam was a very very good OC and he turned out to be a terrible head coach. Another thing, and this might be a bad thing to bring up, but how much do you trust this guy to develop young men given the track record with his own son? Add to that a huge personal tragedy, and we really have a guy that is not capable of taking on waayy more responsibilies and making way too many changes in his life at such a critical time.

My top 2 choices for head coach are still Brian Billick, or Rob Chudzinski. I also like Chucky if we can convince him to come back out of the booth. I think the Bucs made a HUGE mistake by letting him go. I am also starting to like the idea of Pete Carmichael Jr.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

I thought he started calling plays this year?

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

not what I heard...

If we are going offensive coordinator/QB combo.. I would rather go Carmichael and Brees. It seems like the right time to atone for our past mistakes.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

he never called plays, but he did set up their gameplan

which is good to know, but is not the same as actually calling plays

by Phinsphana on Jan 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

also I agree with your cannidates

love Chud (#1 choice IMO) but our FO doesn’t agree sadly, Billick and Ross hate each other because when the ravens loss to us when we went 1-15 ross was buying the team and Hyzinga jacked the price of the team 40 million when we won, so he’s out. Everyone loves Chucky but there’s no way he leaves MNF. So that leaves us with Pete Carmichael Jr. who is my number two choice and my favorite to get the job

by Phinsphana on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Why Billick? He is much like Parcells and Henning, once great coaches that are

stuck in the past when it comes to football theory. Billick thought it was a good idea to ride Dilfer to the SB.

Chudzinski I can understand, but I think Philbin is much better qualified and comes from a system that works well, while Chud worked for the Bears as a TE coach. The same team that let Olsen go under him.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He ran a pretty prolific offense in Minnesota when he actually had a good QB...

Then he went to Baltimore and took Trent Dilfer to the Super Bowl… and WON with Trent Dilfer. I would feel much better about our chances with Matt Moore at QB knowing he did that.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Much better, PotM

The first go-around, I wasn’t totally on board with a lot of your picks. Love the Alexander pick, along with Spence and obviously Allen. Dwight Jones seems like a bit of a reach to me, both in the round you selected him and team need. Did you consider OT or possible safety (Mark Barron) at pick 40?

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by DolphinNation on Jan 16, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

I tried to get our WR and TE corps stacked with talent so that Flynn has plenty of targets.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This draft is very deep in OTs, but not deep in WRs or TEs.

The good WRs will only be available in the 1st or 2nd and Allen is the only TE worth writing home about. Being that there are multiple OTs that will be available in the 4th that could be a solid RT for years, I didn’t see a need to take one very early. Also, we have two young Lineman that could be the RT we could be looking for.

From what I read Barron is more of a SS and Bell will be fine for another year. There also isn’t a can’t miss FS option for us. I hope that the next draft has one, so we can draft him. Then we can go and get a SS and another DE in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. This will elevate our D to near dominate levels, while having so many weapons on O.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I loved the Sean Spence pick. I think the UM guys have a ton of talent.. they just haven’t been bringing it out of them very well. I wouldn’t even mind bringing in Jakory Harris and stashing him on our practice squad for a year.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Harris sucks. He floats balls like CP10, except he doesn't have the awareness to be successful

like CP10.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Pennigton

future Qb coach, and one day Head coach of the Miami Dolphins

by Phinsphana on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I would like this more than the one with RGIII.

I’m not saying I’d rather have Flynn than Griffin, because if they were both FAs and we could sign one I’d sign Griffin. But Griffin comes with a great asking price, while with Flynn we get a more ready player and keep all our draft picks. And plus, with Philbin and his offense, Flynn is almost certain to succeed, because he’d be in the same system he used in GB where he looked so good.

Good job with the draft, although I’d rather take a tackle a bit earlier, but I love Dwyane Allen he’s a stud, and the rets of the players are good fits.

Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.

by BlackPack-fan on Jan 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

I'm starting to like Flynn more than Griffin.

Outside of TCU, Griffin hasn’t done extremely well against a good pass D. He did okay against Texas, made plays, but also made plenty of mistakes. Texas doesn’t even have a great pass D. Their best defensive back is rated as a 5th round prospect. I am more cautious because of that. What would he have done if he was in the ACC, SEC, or Big Ten? Interesting question, because while he has done great, he did so against bad Ds.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I forgot RGIII = God.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He's better than Flynn lol

But it’s pointless to argue this with you, you don’t really know what you’re looking at when you watch a QB

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Tone it down there a bit tiger.

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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it is ridiculous that someone can't intelligently discuss weaknesses in an NFL prospect

without being laughed at. It is like any QB prospect must not have any faults, but if a promising QB that is already in the NFL is the next Ryan Leaf. That is what is what makes Miami fans terrible. They are always looking for the next thing in the draft, and never let a young guy develop without him being the scapegoat for every single thing. Being a fan of the Bengals and Dolphins, I would say that the Bengal fans are much better in terms of patience and letting the young guys develop without doing what this team’s fans have done to Ginn, Henne and now Hartline.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. "pm striker king"- WZB.

by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What is hilarious

is that they will punch a negative on Flynn for only having one (or two) NFL starts, but drool all over RG3 who has had ZERO NFL starts…. HMMMMMM….

by FinsLife on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Instead of going into depth, I'm just going to keep this comment simple.

I like it.

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by Kdog92 on Jan 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I could've just said that

But I had to go into depth, lol ^^ (my comment above)

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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 16, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

In a few years we need to open up our DC position...

When Ray Lewis retires we need to bring him in as our DC…. bring him home to Miami…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

great job pot

Love everything. Flynn would be a gamble after our failures with retreads in the past, but if he fails, there are plenty of good qbs in next years draft as well (tyler wilson, barkley, jones) and anyways, I would like to draft aaron rodgers’ brother when he comes out in a few years, so flynn would give us time.

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by AnishB15 on Jan 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well, if L2D is correct and we can add a 1st rounder to that trade,

we can draft Barkley next year and not be in too much trouble. A 1st pick QB costs a team $5 mil/year. I have Flynn costing us 10 million / year. Added up this is 15 million for the franchise QB and back up. Typically a team can expect to pay 16 million for a QB, so we aren’t in cap hell. Then add in the fact that both contracts would be up at the same time, we can keep the better QB.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Cost?

At 5 years $55 million w/$15 guaranteed, the odds of us even considering a Barkley type the next year would be slim. I realize you figured potential cap space, but, this is close to “old school” top 5 money. Pretty close to what we paid Jake Long in totality. For an unproven QB, I know it’s Flynn and his flying numbers so far, but, a 4year $40 mil/10 guaranteed would be closer to home. And I think totally acceptable if we bring in Winston Moss (or Philbin) as our HC. I’m leaning more for Moss the more I read about him though. Anyway, at this price/time, having a Barkley type sit on the bench a year or two would make a bit of sense.

by Simple Buddha on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

The cost of a QB at the #1 overall pick is 4 years, 20 million dollars.

That comes out to 5 million a year. See above comment.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, you're on par...

“Kolb will also be getting a new deal.
It’s a five-year extension worth $63 million and $20 million guaranteed.
That’s about the going rate for a quarterback like Kolb as QB Matt Cassel received a reported six-year, $63 million deal with the Kansas City Chiefs as a former backup two years ago.”

5/55/15 Doesn’t look so bad. With that though, I still don’t see a Barkley type in 2013. It would be nice though!

by Simple Buddha on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

With the cap the way it is.

We will have much more cap space in 2013 and beyond. Also, it gives us an option to do it, if need be.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kolb got a 65 year deal, I believe, same numbers though.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd love to have Winston Moss aswell. And I'd hope he brings Clements with him as OC.

I’m just really not sure about Flynn. If our HC isn’t Green Bay, I’d be really skeptical if we signed him for big bucks. I still like Ryan Tannehill, someone who can sit behind Moore for a bit. In time, this kid will be a really good QB.

by BahamaDolfan on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Langford is worth way more than 3 mil per year IMO

some 3-4 team will come along and give him a pretty big contract. Which is fine with me if we are switching to the 4-3, because he isnt that great of a fit in the 4-3 anyway

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 16, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Also, I like a lot of the FA signings and draft picks, but I think I would rather trade up for RGIII

even with the relationship Flynn has with Philbin, I cannot get over RGIIIs potential. An offensive mind like Philbin will open all kinds of possibilities for RGIII and the offense. Another reason I like Philbin (or even Carmichael) is because typically new coaches take a few assistants/position coaches from their previous teams. IDK about everyone else but, to me, bringing in personnel from the Packers (or Saints) seems like a damn good idea

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by #1Heatfan on Jan 16, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

The guy is 245 pounds.

Dansby and Burnett would be huge 43 LBers.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

NIce Post

I like your post for a couple of reasons.

1st, you make a point that was obviously well thought out.
2nd, you aren’t afraid to defend your position in the comment section

With that being said, I’d like to disagree with you on a couple of your points…

1. I don’t see the need to transition to a 4-3. Like others have said, we aren’t built for it right now, and we have already established ourselves as a strong 3-4 team. What was the mindset behind the switch? (If you touched on it in previous comments, I apologize, I had to skip a ton of silly comments)

2. I’m not sure if others have mentioned it, but I would focus on our secondary more than our LBs and DL. We had a top 10 run defense, but our pass D was in the 20’s.

3. While I agree with you that we need a quality TE, I don’t think we need more depth at WR. Hartline is a great WR (or you wouldn’t have resigned him). Bess is arguably one of the best slot receivers in the league, and Marshall had a 1K yard season. Plenty of people will want to dog Marshall, but I think he had one of his better seasons this year once Moore came in. If we went down the Flynn road, I think the pairing would be very powerful

4. This is more of a general comment than anything directed at you. It’s too early for me to look at draft options. I haven’t seen the combine, and I haven’t read enough to speak on your picks. I would encourage you to take a look at this post after the combine and pro-days and see if you still agree with your picks.

Overall, great post!

by VA_Phins_Fan on Jan 16, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

I don't put a lot of weight on the combine, except to confirm what I already know about a prospect.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure...

I’ll give you that. Unfortunately I don’t have enough time to do proper scouting. Wish I did.

by VA_Phins_Fan on Jan 17, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't but the people that actually make the decisions sometimes do.

We have all seen guys jump up or slide on the boards based on the combine and individual workouts.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Soliai wants too much money to be our NT, let someone else overpay.

Wake is better at rushing the passer with one or two hands on the ground, making him more dangerous. It is very hard to get a good SOLB because they have to set the edge, drop back in zones and rush the passer. It is much easier to draft a SSDE.

We have a lot of depth at DE for a 3-4 team, and we won’t be able to retain them if we continue down the 34 road. We would do better having Starks at the 1 tech and Odrick at the 3/5 tech. Then have McDaniels come in for Starks on rotation and down at the goaline. Starks and McDaniels are much better 1 techs than they would be 5 tech DEs.

Dansby and Burnett have the range to play the 43 with great success, just like the 34. It is going to be easier to find a WOLB for the 43 than a SOLB for a 34. Our personnel could easily play either D, but without Soliai we can’t play a successful 34.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

So...

switching to the 43 is simply a financial decision? Seems like you’re trying to reinvent the wheel to save cap space. It’s well defended, and I can see your points, but I don’t know if it’s the most efficient solution to the problem you’re trying solve.

by VA_Phins_Fan on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

In Joe Philbin's O, we will use 3 and 4 WR sets.

So there will be plenty of downs where you see Marshall, Hartline, Bess, Allen and Jones out there at the same time. Also, getting Jones allows us to not overuse Bess because Hartline can slide over to the slot. Bess is overused right now because he is out there when we need a big play, like 3rd and 15. Bess has no reason to be out there because he can’t be expected to get open at the 15-25 yard range down field. The Jones pick allows the OC to be more creative in play calling because he can do more deep shots from the slot if he slides Hartline over. Then when a WR is gassed, we still have 3 other WRs that can go at full speed and not slow down the O.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree to a point

With regards to Bess being on the field in long yardage situations, I agree that he doesn’t have the speed to create separation and get open in the 15-25 yd range fast enough. But, I think we can find a quality TE to help open up the field a bit on 1st and 2nd down to prevent us from being in that situation on 3rd down.

If we’re planning our draft around 3rd and long, we might want to reconsider where we place our off-season efforts.

You still haven’t addressed the abysmal secondary performance until the 5th round. Can we sacrifice a bit of depth at WR to improve our secondary? Is there even a safety that grades out at the 3rd round. (I really have no idea).

by VA_Phins_Fan on Jan 17, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do we need to move to a 4-3?

We know we can do pretty well in a 3-4 as we are now. We can upgrade NT and be a top 3 defense. How good could our guys be in a 4-3 though? We can make guesses… sure … but why guess? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I think we need to play more man coverage because that is where our CBs and LBs excel.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

I keep the asking the same thing

I guess they’re thinking if we lose Soliai then we’ll have to move to a 4-3.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This has something to do with it.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Soliai is just NOT THAT GOOD...

He is essentially a warm body. We overpaid for him, and that did not make him any more than decent last year. Replace him with someone that actually deserves that kind of money and let him go somewhere else.

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

While I do approve of this offseason...

…I son’t trust MAtt Flynn… But I could be proven wrong

Soon the hopes of that, this wold be an offseason would benhappybwith because we address virtually all of our needs

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by finzrule on Jan 16, 2012 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

I don't like the addition of Flynn

But if the HC is Philbin I can see the move. I’ll take it a step further and also sign Jermicheal Finley to be our TE. Both being former Packer Finley could be Flynns security blanket.
I’d leave Clay at the H/FB position adding another weapon.
I don’t think Hartline is a free agent and I think(with the addition of Gates stepping his game up) we’re fine at WR. Overall I like what you have here. It was a good read.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 16, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Hilliard was the FB this season.

Clay played TE, but was often off the line when he did see snaps.

See above comment on WRs. No, Hartline is not a FA, but he is in the last year of his rookie contract. We need to stop waiting until our young guys are FAs to resign them, letting them have great contract years like Soliai and raise their asking price. A great franchise should see the young talent they are building around and resign them a year before they have to. This lets the player know they are being taken care of in terms of money and job security. It also sends a message to the other young guys that if they do well, we will resign you over taking the free agent.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Clay was more an H-back

But I get what you’re saying. As much as I like Hillard(mainly for his SP play) he’s expendable. I believe we should let Clay can man the FB/H-back spot. Hell I think we should even run him sometime. While your at it don’t you think we should also extend Wake.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Hilliard is a much better blocker and is a good catcher out of the backfield. He also is a great pass protecter.

He also is a gunner on ST.

He may never be a great offensive weapon, but he versatility, specialties and ST contributions make him a must keep. Kinda like Izzo. I would never give him a big contract, but I would keep him for the rest of his career.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Clay will be more of a TE going forward. Might never be a true TE, but a role like that of Dallas ______ of

the colts would be just fine. He could line up in the slot and isolate a LBer in space.

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by PotM on Jan 16, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

SP=ST as in special teams

I don’t know what kind of blocker Clay is,but he sure can catch the ball out of the backfeild and anywhere else. Maybe we can cancel the 2 worthless backup TE’s to keep Hillard.

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by NawlinsPhinFan on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post PotM, I would grab a O-Lineman early though,I dont know if Flynn is better than RGlll, but if the owner is smart and want to make money this year ans pack seats it wont be with Flynn it will be with RGlll !!

Could Fylnn be better than him? I dont know that will be seen. But Flynn wont sell seat at first untill we win. RGlll will bring people in right away

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by 21Dave on Jan 16, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

I don't approve of a Matt Flynn signing

Except for, like others said, Philbin is our head coach…then I’d be fine with it. Watching Flynn, I just don’t see anything worth mentioning as an upgrade over Matt Moore. People’s argument for Flynn is that he hasn’t had time to develop as a passer, but the same could be said about Matt Moore since he hasn’t had an offseason to work with the Dolphins 1st team. If we’re getting a quarterback, for me it’s RG3 or bust (unless we can get Tannehill/Foles in later rounds to develop.)

I definitely love the Gerrell Robinson pick, I posted a fanshot about him a while ago after I fell in love with him. Datko though, I don’t think he’ll be there at that pick but if so I love it. My main concern with our roster is CB, I think we have one great corner in Vontae and then a very average corner in Sean Smith, a savvy but aging vet in Will Allen and then the jury is still out for Jimmy Wilson and Nolan Carroll. If neither of those guys develop, we’re going to be in a lot of trouble very soon with the amount of quality receivers being held by nearly all teams in the NFL at this point.

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by Dolphinole on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

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