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Finhead's 2012 NFL Mock Draft: Version 2

This is my second version of the mock draft. Not a whole lot has changed except for a few picks and an update drafted order reflected the losers of Wild Card weekend. This post was written in the middle of this weekend's games so it may not be up to date. The draft order for the postseason games from 25-32 reflect how I feel the postseason will play out. As always, an * indicates picks that will be determined by a coin flip and the outcome of the postseason games. As a note, I will not include trade scenarios in the mock drafts. I know there certainly could be moves made and I'm sure there will be at least one trade in the NFL Draft in April, but I will not include them here. I am simply giving a mock draft based on the current order.

1) Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck, QB: They do face uncertainty with their front office, head coach, andstill have no idea what they want to do with Peyton Manning. Owner Jim Irsay has promised Manning will be a Colt if he's healthy, but also admitted the Colts are in a "partial" rebuilding mode. That would start with a QB of the future.

2) St. Louis Rams - Matt Kalil, OT: Justin Blackmon would make a lot of sense, but the Rams need someone that can help keep Sam Bradford healthy and upright. Instead, I expect the Rams to look towards free agency at the numerous WRs available. If the Rams could get someone like Vincent Jackson in free agency and then Kalil in the draft, they will have a successful off-season. I do believe though that this is a good position for the Rams to look to trade down and get someone like Jonathan Martin. There is a slim chance they could trade down to #6 and still get Kalil as well.

3) Minnesota Vikings - Justin Blackmon, WR: Morris Claiborne is also a consideration and Kalil could go here if available. The Vikings may lean more towards Blackmon than Claiborne because they need to help Christian Ponder get weapons. Percy Harvin is not a #1 WR, but a duo of Blackmon and Harvin could help Ponder a lot. The pick could change obviously depending on free agency as well as there are numerous WRs and CBs available. This too is another position both the Dolphins and Redskins may look to trade for to get Robert Griffin III.

4) Cleveland Browns - Trent Richardson, RB: Many don't like first round RBs, especially this high. Blackmon would be a great option to give McCoy a legitimate target if available. Richardson has terrific vision, speed, and power. He's worthy of a top 5 pick.

5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Morris Claiborne, CB: Aqib Talib is facing legal trouble and Ronde Barber is aging and will be a free agent. Claiborne is the perfect fit for the Bucs.

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6) Washington Redskins - Robert Griffin III, QB: A great QB prospect that many Dolphin fans have been watching. The Redskins may trade up for him, but they'll get a great pick if they can sit at #6 and pick him. Many Miami fans will be pissed off the Dolphins didn't move up if the Redskins get Griffin at this spot.

7) Jacksonville Jaguars - Quinton Coples, DE: Aaron Kampman is getting up there in age and may not be back. Matt Roth just wasn't the answer either. Couples would do very well to help solidify their defensive line and will give Jacksonville a good pass rushing threat for the next several years in a division that has Matt Schaub, Jake Locker, and probably Andrew Luck.

*8) Miami Dolphins - Riley Reiff, OT: Much to the dismay of many Dolphin fans, Miami may look to the top of the draft on solidifying the RT position. Miami would love to get Griffin here if he's available and maybe even Coples if they convert to a 4-3, but with both gone, they go the best player available that happens to fill a hole. Another option may be for them to try and move down toward the middle of the round and draft Ryan Tannehill. If they don't do that, look for them to use their 2nd round pick to move back in the first for him.

*9) Carolina Panthers - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB: They may go with someone like Jonathan Martin as well, but they need help badly on the defensive side of the ball. Carolina allowed 8.4 YPA against the pass and Kirkpatrick could be a starter from day 1. He'd help fix their defense while their offense grows.

10) Buffalo Bills - Jonathan Martin, OT: A WRor LB could also be a target, but the Bills need help on the offensive line. Demetrius Bell is a free agent and has struggled to stay healthy. Martin could be an anchor for the next decade.

*11) Kansas City Chiefs - Luke Kuechly, ILB: Their defense has underperformed and Kuechly will help solidify the LBs. They will look to resign CB Brandon Flowers and hope that he and Brandon Carr will rebound from underwhelming years. Eric Berry returning will also help their secondary. An OT would be a great target for them, but the three top OTs may not be available.

*12) Seattle Seahawks - Devon Still, DE/DT: For better or worse, Pete Carroll does like Tarvaris Jackson and I don't think Ryan Tannehill is on their radar this high in the draft. Seattle desperately needs help on the DL to help rush the QB. They'd be ecstatic if Coples fell this far. I just don't expect that to happen.

13) Arizona Cardinals - David DeCastro, OG: He's easily the best guard prospect in this draft and the Cardinals have a lot of holes to fill. They could look Vontaze Burfict or Courtney Upshaw with this pick too. Like Seattle, they'd snatch one of the top 3 OTs if they fell this far.

14) Dallas Cowboys - Alfonzo Dennard, CB: He was overshadowed by Prince Amukamara, but he is a very talented CB. He is fast and has fluid hips and can stick with fast WRs, but he's also powerful at the line when trying to jam WRs. A terrific prospect that can be a top NFL CB if he improves his footwork. His ability in run support could use improvement too.

15) Philadelphia Eagles - Vontaze Burfict, ILB: The weak link for the Eagles has been their LBs and FS, but they're not ready to give up on Nate Allen. Burfict would be an outstanding fit to improve their LB corps. Michael Floyd could be an option here if they've grown tired of DeSean Jackson.

16) New York Jets - Courtney Upshaw, ILB: The Jets could also go with someone like Mark Barron for Safety, but they desperately need help with their pass rush. I look for them to try and bring back at least one of their safeties, but they're not going to be able to find a suitable pass rusher in free agency. Upshaw is good, not elite, at rushing the passer and is considered a solid three-down LB. He doesn't show any glaring weaknesses in his game.

Previous Pick: Mark Barron

17) Cincinnati Bengals - Janoris Jenkins, CB: He'd be a top 10 pick if he wasn't in trouble with the Gators. The Bengals have Leon Hall, but Nate Clements is 32 and has been inconsistent. Jenkins and Hall could quickly become one of the better CB duos in the NFL.

18) San Diego Chargers - Andre Branch, DE/OLB: He has good speed, but is sometimes slow off the snap. He has good hands and a good upper body. While he has been very good against the run, the Chargers will look to benefit from his pass rushing as Larry English just hasn't lived up to expectations.

Previous Pick: Courtney Upshaw

19) Chicago Bears - Michael Floyd, WR: They Bears need help at OL and need to upgrade their WRs. Roy Williams just isn't a dependable WR. As much as they'd to address OL, it's just a bit high for someone like Zebrie Sanders. Floyd though would be a very good pick for them.

20) Tennessee Titans - Melvin Ingram, DE: Karl Klug has been the top pass rusher for the Titans with 7 and they need to get some help to get to the passer. CB could be a hole if they don't resign Cortland Finnegan, but I already project the top CBs to be gone.

21) Cincinnati Bengals - Lamar Miller, RB: Cedric Benson hasn't been very effective despite his rushing yards and he's a free agent. Miller is a home run threat and is quick to hit the holes. Miller is also a tough runner to bring down. It's possible Cincy could go with a Guard or Center like Cordy Glenn or Peter Konz, but there is a thin market for RBs in free agency and the Bengals need an upgrade in the backfield more than they do on the line.

22) Cleveland Browns (via Falcons) - Alshon Jeffery, WR: A tall WR that can get up and get the ball, the Browns opt to give Colt McCoy another weapon here. They could make a run at Ryan Tannehill here or opt for Kendall Wright as well. Jeffery is not a burner by any means and his route running could use improvement, but his ball skills in the air and his wide catching radius will leave many teams enticed. He should be a great red zone target.

23) Detroit Lions - Zebrie Sanders, OT: The Lions, like many teams, need help on their offensive line and could also go with Peter Konz to place Dominic Raiola at center, but I think they'll try to milk another season out of their aging center while they address OT.

24) Pittsburgh Steelers - Dont'a Hightower, ILB: Dontari Poe could be another option if they look for a future NT, but the Steelers also need to inject some youth at ILB. Hightower has been a great leader on the Alabama defense and is another one of the great Alabama LBs.

*25) Denver Broncos - Mark Barron, S: Denver likes Rahim Moore at FS and may look to solidify their safety combination for the next several years by drafting Barron to team up with him. Barron could probably play both Free Safety or Strong Safety, which will benefit the Broncos greatly because as I've always said, I think the future of NFL defenses will look to have two FS-type Safeties as the traditional SS will disappear like the old run-blocking TEs and FBs. Barron isn't very good in man coverage and may be a bit stiff, but he's great in zone coverage with his ability to read the QB. His closing speed will be able to make up for many of his mistakes when he's slow to turn and run with a receiver. He's very aggressive in run support, but will overrun on the play at times. Kendall Wright could be an option, but I think Denver likes Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker.

Previous Pick: Jerel Worthy

*26) Houston Texans - Kendall Wright, WR: They could also go for Dontari Poe here, but they should be satisfied with where their defense is at. Wright would finally give Houston a great complimentary WR for Andre Johnson.

*27) New England Patriots (via Saints) - Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB: Another versatile front seven player the Patriots could add to their defense. The Patriots could look to use Mercilus as a DE in 4-3 sets and an OLB in the 3-4. Mercilus has a lot of talent and has piled on the sacks, but he has done so at the expense of leaving his assignments and leaving himself vulnerable for offenses to run by him. New England could hope to make him more disciplined in their system while taking advantage of his natural physical talent.

*28) Green Bay Packers - Jared Crick, DE: The Packers could use an OLB opposite of Clay Matthews as well, but I think they go with a prospect they may have higher on the board. Crick can play a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE and though he doesn't great burst, he is relentless and has a variety of pass rushing moves at his disposal. He has very good hands and is tough to move off the line.

*29) New York Giants - Cordy Glenn, OG: The Giants offensive line has been going through transition. Look the once dominant offensive line to try and speed up their recovery by drafting Glenn, a mauler of a guard. He's a big man with long arms, but he is quick for his size. He stands up well and can get to the second level quickly. He will help get the Giants running game back on track.

*30) Baltimore Ravens - Peter Konz, C: The Ravens need a center to take over for the aging Matt Birk. Konz, the best center in the class. If the Ravens can resign Ben Grubbs and draft Konz, they will have themselves one of the best interior lines in the NFL.

*31) San Francisco 49ers - Mohamed Sanu, WR: Braylon Edwards didn't performed as good as San Francisco hoped and will be a free agent. The 49ers could test the free agent market, but if unable to land a WR, Sanu would be a good fit. He doesn't have elite speed, but he's fast enough to be a vertical threat. He has very good hands, runs good routes, and is physical enough to get off the line.

*32) New England Patriots - Fletcher Cox, DE/DT: The second versatile front seven player New England selects, but Cox can thrive as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE, Cox has athleticism and superb strength. He has pass rushing moves, but he mostly depended on his bull rush while at Georgia. He is at a good weight for either position, but he's capable of adding more weight at the pro level. Adding him to play next to Mercilus would be a good way for New England to start patching up a poor defense, especially one that generates little pass rush.

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Nice with a litle reality

kind of an anti climacs, When you are used to people writing We will draft rg3 and sign all the top FA’s though it’s Nice to see What’s Wr must likly will end up with, and Can’t wait to see culombo get the boot :)

by mavin12 on Jan 16, 2012 6:25 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

yup most likely scenario

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by BSerious72 on Jan 16, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Note:

I am liking Zimmer more & more the MORE I read and research about him….would be a Passionate HC whom players like & respect!

by MassFinFan65 on Jan 16, 2012 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

noooooooooooo

leave zimmer alone!

kidding aside, as a bengals fan, would be devastating to cincy’s defense to lose zimmer, had hoped he would become cincy’s HC as some point. the dolphins could do a lot worse than zimmer, he’ll be a solid head coach if given the chance to succeed.

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by palewook on Jan 16, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice! Thanks for the input.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

BOOOOOO!!!!!

Its hard to believe if RG3 falls to 5 we wouldn’t make such a small move and go get the guy…

We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?

by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 16, 2012 7:00 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't put it past Miami to make a move, but I am not going to include trade scenarios in the mock drafts.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this. We all want him but with so much time and so many things that can happen between now and then

its crazy to start trying to guess what trades might and might not happen. Hell we have to see where Flynn and Manning wind up before these drafts can really start to round themselves out.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

dont count out trading up with Cleveland...

If the Redskins see the draft unfold the way you have it, and I like it BTW, that means that RG3 will be there at four. If that is the case, I can’t see another team drafting Richardson in the top 10 because they all have rbs. With that said, Miami could trade up with Cleveland to four, which would cost less, and they could still draft Richardson at 8, or 9, and still get some extra picks in the process. Any thoughts on this??? I just don’t see a trade up to 2. Would cost a bit too much with the value of those picks this year with the limited crop of QB’s in the draft this year.

Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?

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by FinzD54 on Jan 16, 2012 7:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Too early to start trying to guess on potential trades.

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get

The crazed obsession with RG3… do we really think he is going to be a franchise qb? History doesn’t agree with that

by Gator Bait89 on Jan 16, 2012 7:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The RG3 obession is all about potential

Miami is desperate for a top notch QB prospect and this year RG3 is obtainable. He will need some work transitioning his game to the NFL level, most players do. But, IF he were to end up in Miami, the talent around him in Miami (Bush, Marshall, Pouncey, Long) would provide a chance for more immediate success than most players selected in this year’s 1st round. IF RG3 goes to Miami he is instantly the OROY leading candidate, IMO. The most important part to the NFL draft that gets over looked is matching players with the right situation for their talents/skills to provide immediate success. Griffin would be a weapon in our offense like Vick and Newton are for their teams. Also, Griffin has shown himself to be of high character and a field commander, someone that can handle being the face of a franchise. The Dolphins have been a good QB away from being serious playoff contenders more than a few times since Dan Marino left and acquiring RG3 would make Miami once again an annual playoff threat.

by bbickley on Jan 16, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But Vick and Newton had losing records...

I think a better comparison would be the Bengals a below average team waiting for a QB to get them into that Playoff caliber team.

by Pirate25 on Jan 16, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I have never been big on the whole mobile qb movement

Passing qb’s win superbowls. All of these vicks, youngs, culpeppers, newtons etc don’t win superbowls. Mcnabb is another. I’d rather have a big slow white guy who can sling the ball with the mannings and elways and rodgers of the league than an athletic guy that doubles as a second running back. It may be fun to watch, but then so is winning…

by Gator Bait89 on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So did John Elway and Aaron Rodgers, but of whom are/were mobile QBs.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Captain Obvious?

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by Alpha6 on Jan 16, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

What Finhead said!

"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.

by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a distinction that needs to be made between 'mobile' and 'run-first' QB's.

These are two-separate categories. I would not lump Elway and Steve Young into the same category as Michael Vick and Cam Newton.

I would consider Elway, Young and Rodgers to be ‘mobile’. Michael Vick is ‘run-first’.
* Mobile QB’s run to evade the pass rush and open up passing lanes.
* ‘Run-first’ QB’s are more likely to abandon the pass and use their legs as their primary weapon.
* A ‘run-first’ QB has never won a Superbowl. ( I would consider a run-first to average at least 30 yards/game)

Elway was 37 when he won his first Superbowl in 1997. He rushed for an average of 13.6 yards/game that season.
Steve Young was 33 when he won in 1994. He rushed for 18.3 yards/game that season.
Aaron Rodgers rushed for an average of 16.1 yards/game last season.

Michael Vick has rushed for an average of 47.0 yards/game over his career. That comes out to 752 yards in 16 games.

by Urthling on Jan 16, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

RG3 is a pocket Qb first just watch him play

And the NFL is starting to change were your qb almost has to mobile

by CAphinfan on Jan 16, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

A mobile, pocket passer. This is also how I would describe Aaron Rodgers.

That doesn’t mean I think RGIII will duplicate the success that Aaron Rodgers has had.

by Urthling on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Reiff pick

very good player

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by Kdog92 on Jan 16, 2012 8:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Reiff might be the smart safe pick

But im sick of smart safe picks. If we honestly don’t think jumping 2 spots for our potential QB of the future is our TOP priority, or “not worth it” then our priorities are WAY out of whack in my position.

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Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Jan 16, 2012 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

but good mock finhead, as of now it seems pretty realistic..

I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.

by BSerious72 on Jan 16, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

depends on who the headcoach is

if the fins get zimmer, 1st thing he’ll want in draft is a shutdown corner.

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by palewook on Jan 16, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect Carmichael

And the Saints always have multiple running backs

by Phinsphana on Jan 16, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a huge fan of this pick....

Mike Adams is falling. We could nab him with our 2nd round pick. I just think it would be a waste to spend our 8th/9th overall pick in the first round on an RT. I mean, if we needed an LT, then fair enough. But just not a fan of this. Would rather an OLB if we can’t move down here.

by BahamaDolfan on Jan 16, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

Isn't that Decastro guy considered a better prospect?

I mean if we aren’t drafting a LT is RT really less of a reach in the first than a G? We could use both really might as well go with the better prospect. I would preffer one of the WR’s in that spot.

by Pirate25 on Jan 16, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

There are a few quality Guards in FA, but there are no quality RTs.

I do project Miami to sign a RG in free agency to at least compete with Jerry. Blackmon probably won’t be available to us at #8, but that is simply too high for someone like Floyd or Jeffery.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning Meaningless Games

Screwed Us again!!
We should of tried to loose rvery game for Luck
This team is cursed!!!!!!!!

Randy Shannon owes me a Liver.

by SSFDballer on Jan 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

So no TE worthy of a First Round Pick?

Watching Vernon Davis, Gronkowski and Graham this weekend only reinforces my feeling that a beast TE could make a huge difference to this offence. If not TE, pass rush help surely. Good RTs will be available in the second surely, or are you shooting for Brandon Weedon in round 2/3?

by Armchair QB on Jan 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

We can draft Allen in the 2nd

or Fleener in the 3rd, maybe Eifort if he’s coming out.

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Or more like....

Allen will be gone in the first, and we could grab Fleener with our second. Eiffert is staying in college.

by BahamaDolfan on Jan 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

There is definitely not a TE worthy of a first round pick where Miami is drafting.

Of the teams that could look for TE help later in the first, I only see Denver, NYG, and Baltimore as possibilities. I think they all have higher priorities though. Many like Allen in NYG, but I think Coughlin likes Ballard.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

RG III doesn't make it out of the top 5 IMO

you really think Cleveland would pass? McCoy is okay but………

by scrappy the wildcat on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I think people will be surprised to where Coples drops too.

Theres no hard evidence that he has attitude problems but it’s been said a lot and there is no smoke without fire. He does seem to be giving less than his full effort in a lot of games too.

by Irishphan on Jan 16, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

A lot depends on who the 3 stooges select as HC

Now that Green Bay and New Orleans have been knocked out of Super Bowl contention, I see some options. We either go after Joe Philbin or someone from New Orleans or the 3 Stooges, not Moe Larry and Curly, JI SR and CP choose as HC.
However, given their successes so far, another O-Lineman as first round draft pick and O-line HC is clearly a possibility. I heard Mike Nolans name being thrown around as a possibility to go with Jeff Fisher. If that happens, clearly the bosses of the Dolphins need to be EXECUTED in Broad daylight on the 50 yd line and burned in a large bonfire!!

by DAVEBUCK on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Mercilus is nowhere near a top 10 pick.

I don’t see him as great a prospect as others do too. He piles on sacks at the expense of his team.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

His stock is going to skyrocket as we get closer to the Draft.

The same things were said about guys like JPP, Shawn Merriman (before the injuries that deteriorated his talent), and even Cameron Wake.

The truth is, his flaws are coachable and can be fixed. Misi can make up for those flaws until Mercilus improves in other parts of his game. But theirs no denying that this guy can rush the passer! He and Wake would be a lethal combination.

by JP 23 on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Mercilus is basically an Aldon Smith clone

And arguably the most powerful pass rusher in this draft. I would be thrilled to get him or Courtney Upshaw into our 3-4.

2012: Whitney Mercilus or Courtney Upshaw in the first round; Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill in the second round.

by kmb8488 on Jan 16, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so really.

I don’t see anything about him that will make him standout at the Combine. He’s no more physically gifted than many of the DE/OLB prospects up there with him and he’s best suited for a 4-3 defense it seems. He’s not considered the same with JPP or Merriman because both of them were believed to have much more athleticism than Mercilus.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 17, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you know what I really wouldn't mind....

Is if we traded our 1/9 pick for Cleveland’s 1/23 pick, 2/5 pick and 4/5 pick. That pretty much equals out on the value chart. Then go for best available player at 1/23. Try Tannehill or pass rushing OLB. Then take OT Mike Adams with the 2/5 pick and TE Coby Fleener with the 2/9 pick. 3rd round could enable us to grab Zeitler and 4th we could add another TE in Ladarius Greene. Yes, two tight ends!

This would enable us to not spend big bucks on an OG and would leave us to focus on QB/OLB (depending on our first round pick) and FS in the free agency.

It’ll suck if we don’t get Griffin, but suddenly we are finding alot of holes in the team. And those holes could get bigger if Solai and Langford leave. Next year, 3 excellent QB’s will be available in the 1st round, at least, in the shape of Barkley, Jones and Tyler Wilson. We have a better chance to grab a QB then if Moore, or even Flynn, doesn’t work out.

by BahamaDolfan on Jan 16, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

By the sounds of your post it sounds like you are not aware that

Free agency is a month and a half before the draft. Also Flynn is going to cost #1 QB money.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Things that are possible and out of place..........

Richardson can and may very likely fall out the top 5, but to top 10. Robert Griffin the 3rd will end up going to the Browns, as he can and will fit well with their scheme. Shananhan and his goons trade once again for a veteran quarterback. There a few things in the draft that happen due to a few moves in free agency.

Janoris Jenkins is a 2nd round pick to say the least as he has not played against top tier talent for a year

Claiborne will not be a Buc, they like big physical cover corners and Claiborne is not consistent with jamming a the line nor does he have much experience playing zone, so the bucs likely candidate here if they draft a corner is “Dre Kirkpatrick”, most likely team for Claiborne is the Panthers.

The browns IMO will not pick a quarterback in the 1st round they will trade down, and use a few picks to boost up the value of the #1 pick they got from the falcons and move up within the top 20 after moving down to around 8 or 9th overall pick in the 1st so that way they get a #1 wr in Alshon Jeffry, and Trent Richardson as I don’t see Hillis being back in Cleavland.

Someone is going to overpay Desean Jackson, he should not get more than 4 to 5 mill but wants #1 receiver money. Michael Floyd could be an option for the eagles if Djax walks, if Floyd is to fall he could end up in San Diego. If were to end up in San Diego if “could” make Vincent Jackson expendable, and the most likely team Jackson could be traded to is the rams as they are in dire need of a #1, and this would make sense after drafting the top tackle in the draft.

Jerel worthy could be in black and gold this up coming season, as the steelers can find a ILB in the 2nd round

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by Carl Johnson a.k.a CJ on Jan 16, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

A few things...

It’s possible RG3 goes to Cleveland, but I think they’ll pass over him to give him some help. Instead, they could target Tannehill with their late first rounder or early second rounder to push him. If the Browns get Richardson, Jeffery, and Tannhill with their first three picks, many people will be happy with the future of Cleveland’s offense. Except me, because I don’t think Jeffery is as good as touted.

Jenkins would be a top 15 pick and could possibly be the top CB in this class if he stayed at UF. Scouts still know what he can do and he won’t fall far. I’d love for him to drop into the 2nd for Miami to snap him up, but I don’t think it’ll happen.

The Bucs don’t have their same HC so you can’t go off what they once preferred. Claiborne is still the top CB in the draft and TB will love to have him on their team.

The Eagles could draft Floyd if that happens, but they desperately need help at ILB and they can target a WR replacement in FA. Still, I think the Eagles and Jackson will work something out, even if it is a franchise tag for a year. Jackson already said he’d sign it.

Worthy could go to a number of places and Pittsburgh could address a number of positions, but they’re not going to find a ILB like Hightower in the 2nd round.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Tampa 2

The Bucaneers run a tampa 2 and you need big physical corners than can press and play zone which is what they run about 85% of the time, and I think Claiborne would fit better in Carolina cause they like to run man coverage alot of the time.

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by Carl Johnson a.k.a CJ on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Eagles

Dominic Rodgers Cromartie Contract is up I doubt they decide to franchise Djax and let DRC walk, I believe Asante signed a 6year 6million dollar contract. Just cutting Samuels will cause them to take a cap hit. and isnt DRC one of the top corners in the league he can ask for 7mil a year if he wants so they’re gonna have to make some big decisions, btw they can get a MLB in free agency. Another option if they decide to let Djax walk is they can draft Kendall Wright depending on his performance at the combine and east west shrine game.

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by Carl Johnson a.k.a CJ on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

DRC is not one of the top CBs.

And you’re talking nickel CB vs #1 WR.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 17, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Again...

The Bucs used to use the scheme. TB was using much more blitzes and man coverage with Raheem Morris even. You can’t assume TB still uses the “Tampa 2” because of their namesake. It was a Dungy defense, not a Morris one. It is no longer their primary system.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 17, 2012 5:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This is straight up.. rec'd.

But what of trades? I see something of it at #27, but I believe there will be trades. Especially among the top ten teams….

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by Alpha6 on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

I think trades will happen, but I'm not going to include them in mocks.

Otherwise people will be discussing 50 different trade options between 32 teams. Some would be absurd like thinking Miami would trade Jake Long, Brandon Marshall, and a 3rd rounder for the #1 overall pick and get Andrew Luck. Then they’d trade their first rounder and other picks/players for Justin Blackmon at #3. It’d be great for Miami to get Luck and Blackmon, but it’s not going to happen. I’m simply going to project picks for the teams for where they’re currently placed.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

... on the crack of his ass mostly these days... lol

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by Alpha6 on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

lol... that would be a comment riot.

Pull out the 9mm!

Btw, what brand/model sidearm is issued now?

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by Alpha6 on Jan 16, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sig 228.

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by Finhead83 on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Mmmm, excellent.

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- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
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by Alpha6 on Jan 16, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Good mock finhead but again Rg3 is goin to the browns

No way do u pass on a franchise qb bro. What combo would u rather have. Rg3 n Lamar miller or Trent n tannehill…..? When the combine comes out it’ll show trent does nOt have elite speed. He’s not a top 5 pick. AP was a top 5 talent n he went 8th overall.

by drey34 on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Just in

Ryan Tanehill has a broken foot

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by Carl Johnson a.k.a CJ on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Lol I just found out

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by Carl Johnson a.k.a CJ on Jan 16, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Move to the 4G it's 10 times faster... lol

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
- Groucho Marx
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. -H.L. Mencken.
"Never miss an opportunity to make others happy, even if you have to leave them alone in order to do it."
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."

by Alpha6 on Jan 16, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure about RG3

but if they believe he’s the QB to get then they need to make a move. Waiting for a QB of the future to drop into our laps is not exactly working…

by JerseyGuy77 on Jan 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Just think it would be crazy to draft OL. Crazy.

What teams focus to this extent on OL? We have the best LT in the game. A great (gonna be) second year center. Surely we can find pieces to gel around them that don’t cost a first round pick?

A good QB makes his line look good by getting rid of the ball early and moving around the pocket. If we have that our line will be fine. We had an unusual amount of injuries here this year and I think it’s causing people to think our line is a lot worse than it is.

The Giant’s line was woeful this year – last in the league at running. Before this run, there was lots of pressure on Eli. But they win because Eli gets the ball out and the receivers get open.

If we want to improve the offense, priorities must be as follows. I just can’t believe people still think otherwise.

1. QB
2. TE
3. WR
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9001. OL
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9000000001. RB

by Agumen on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I Can
I just can’t believe people still think otherwise.

I just can’t believe the amount that do.

by Agent J 78 on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If we dont find a way

To get a franchise QB this year (RG3, Flynn, etc.), I am going to fade away and die. I can’t take it any more. As soon as they pick a lineman in the first round, I will fall over.

by Dolfan256 on Jan 17, 2012 2:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

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