Back to the Future: Why the Dolphins do not need a QB in Round 1 this year.
I love this blog, but have not really commented much, choosing to just soak in all of your fine opinions. But the 'debate' about the direction for the Dolphins to take in the coming months mostly centers on getting our qb of the future. In my opinion, there is one main external factor that is pushing the majority Dol-fans to feel like this is the only way to return to glory:
The history, legacy, and shadow of Dan Marino
This is engraved in the psyche of Miami fans, and manifests itself in cooler comments like, "We should still run Marino out there" or "If only we could have given him a defense". I was 9 when Marino retired, and for me the Marino legend might be even bigger than those who saw him consistently throughout the 80's and 90's. Don't get me wrong, my Danny Boy signed hat (caught him at the NFL Today in NYC) is probably my most treasured possession. But the fact that the franchise's last 3 decades is summed up in one player, directs our attention to replacing that entity with more of the same.
Fast forward to April. Most feel that we should be going after Robert Griffin III or even the man-child Weeden. I am here to tell you that the Dolphins franchise is blinding you to reality. Trading away our draft to get RGIII would excite our base, would fill our stadium, but would guarantee no more wins or success. Let's break it down like this:
-Matt Moore was a good QB by the end of 2011. He seldom threw interceptions, he had a connection with our million dollar receiver (and with our TE/FB hybrid - watch out for a new position!), and he beat the JETS.
hmmm, okkk...
-Drafting a rookie qb, we would be forced to say that the connection to Marshall and others would "take time". Does anyone know when Brandon Marshall's contract is up? Is he going to stay once it is done? Remember when we did not have a WR too... (1-15)
- Drafting a rookie qb, we would be forced to say that turnovers were part of a 'learning curve' yet the alternative (Moore) showed he would limit them.
-Drafting a rookie qb, most say that it takes 3-4years for them to reach their potential (Brees). Is Yeremiah Bell going to be here? Karlos Dansby's contract is up then. Our defense that proved to be one of the best in the league will disinitigrate. Remember when we had a great defense and a turnover happy offense (Jay. Fiedler.)
-I know there are rookie wage scales now, but it is still a lot of money at #2 or 3
-We already know we cannot replicate the 'hot streak' of last season. But we know these players found a recipe for success. With change inevitable with new coaching, more change is not better. We still have all those same players. Do we want another 0-7 start as they 'find themselves'?
Sure I get the gamble, but with the players we have, we are like a puzzle missing pieces. Drafting RGIII would be like wiping the table off and starting to play Jenga. And yes, it is a passing league now, and franchise qbs seem to have more success. But the missing point is you never truly know where that qb is: (Brady: 5th, Brees: 2, Rodgers: Late 1).
Now I am not a man of complaining, so I offer this as an alternative. Draft Reiff and place him at RT. Use the draft picks after to draft a DE/DT, TE, S. Picks we wouldn't have with RGIII. Solidified line means a serious run threat next year with a healthy Thomas and Bush. And plenty of time for play action passes for Moore. Moore is not the QB of the future, but neither was Dilfer, Johnson, Delhomme, Warner..ect. They were just what their teams needed to win. And got something that Danny never could.
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I see your point... I really do
But I have to disagree. I think you and I have different expectations of what we want from our Miami Dolphins.
I agree that we have a decent squad, and drafting a RT, OLB and TE in the draft would make us a better team. No doubt. But, my goal is to become a powerhouse and contender not just a playoff cusp team. With Moore, even with an entire draft of supporting players, I don’t see us in the division race next year and on pace with the NE Patriots. This is where I want to us to be.
With RGIII, yes we may lose potentially most of this year’s draft but we have Moore/RGIII compete to start Week 1. RGIII, I believe can transform this franchise and although i have like what Moore has done, he has not beaten a team with a winning record; I don’t see him beating solid playoff teams from what I’ve seen.
Right now I’m using your argument against you, we have alot of solid pieces locked up for about 3 years so unless we break that 8-8 average team, alot of these guys will probably depart South Beach when their time is up. If we have a young franchise QB our squad will be good wnough to compete for the AFC East for years to come, especially with Brady getting older and Bills and Jets being, well the Bills and Jets.
Good article though, appreciate your view, i just respectfully disagree :)
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by BSerious72 on Jan 14, 2012 7:42 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You could argue that every year we shouldn't draft a QB then...
Marshall still has years left on his contract and who cares if Dansby’s contract is up? We can resign him or replace him. That is the job of the FO. It’s not like if we pick Griffin we won’t be able to draft a player, resign a player, or target one in FA. This team won’t be the same in 3-4 years regardless of who we draft. That’s the life in the NFL. The FO’s job is to make it so we don’t get weaker in a few years. If our opportunity “to win now” is only this year and next, we’re terribly screwed.
As for the rookie wage scales, Griffin at #2 overall would average around $5 mil per year. That is perfectly reasonable for a QB and would be cheap if he becomes a stud.
And yes, we beat the Jets. So did 7 other teams. Moore got better with turnovers, but he still isn’t one of the better QBs in the NFL, no matter how much some may try to convince themselves he is.
It’s a good thing Miami didn’t pass on Marino in 1983 because they thought it’d take too long for him to grow.
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by Finhead83 on Jan 14, 2012 7:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
No I think if RGIII was falling into our laps at #8 or 9 then obviously yes
I do not have issues with RGIII, though I am not sold on him as much as others. But what I am saying is that this current team is largely built to win now, a defense in sync and an offensive line (other than columbo) that was anchoring a good ground attack. And that fixing a few of the other issues might be better than throwing a kid out there. History shows there is a steep learning curve for rookie qbs in the league, especially one who never even saw a defense this year. Now all of a sudden we are losing games to bad decisions. Not to mention changing up the offense to install a hybrid qb. Years from now some of the pieces will be gone.
More importantly, we would lose out on the picks that could rectify the right side, secondary, and even the TE position. Maybe for years to come. If this team had 6 wins, (including the denver and cleveland games) I think we could project a 10 win season and get back to the playoffs. Push NE. Don’t ever forget that in this division, its all about dethroning them.
by krazeekuban34 on Jan 15, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
The exact reason we need to find our franchise QB
Push NE. Don’t ever forget that in this division, its all about dethroning them.
Until that time we will always be 2nd fiddle at best.
Rec'd 100% right
"All the money in the world can't buy a perfect season"
" I'm a Buffalo Bills/Sabres fan so I don't know how to react to this"
(Bills fan after winning a tipping comp)
But i'd prefer if we did get a franchise QB out of the way this offseason
"All the money in the world can't buy a perfect season"
" I'm a Buffalo Bills/Sabres fan so I don't know how to react to this"
(Bills fan after winning a tipping comp)
by AussiePhinfan on Jan 14, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to watch Brady throw 6 TDs and Brees nearly 500 yards and settle for Matt Moore
We need a QB. We’re close to RG3, Rams and Vikings should be open for trades.
And even if not them, if Peyton Manning gets healthy we need to go after him if he hits FA, and it wouldn’t take any draft picks.
Standing pat won’t work, we’ll just be mediocre again.
I 100% agree with the top 2 lines
If you want to succeed, you need a good QB, just look at all of the best records in the league and look a all the super-bowl winning QBs
And the reason I say no to Peyton Manning is cuz I just want someone who we can have for the long-haul already
Miami's Superstars: Reggie Bush, Brandon Marshall, Jake Long, Mike Pouncey, Karlos Dansby, Cameron Wake, Vontae Davis and Sean Smith (just wait), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Mike Stanton, Gaby Sanchez, Hanley Ramirez, Josh Johnson, Heath Bell, Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes, Tomas Fleischmann, Stephen Weiss, Jose Theodore, and Chris Versteeg. :)
I know me too, but I would take *healthy* Manning for 3 years, why not? We could actually make a super bowl or Champ game finally
And we could keep looking or sit a QB behind him.
by hbkDolphins on Jan 14, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I wold just prefer the long-term security
Vs a maybe healthy manning… How much has does he have left? Can he be the same Peyton with that neck?
Too much risk for only 2 or 3 potential good years, IMO
Miami's Superstars: Reggie Bush, Brandon Marshall, Jake Long, Mike Pouncey, Karlos Dansby, Cameron Wake, Vontae Davis and Sean Smith (just wait), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Mike Stanton, Gaby Sanchez, Hanley Ramirez, Josh Johnson, Heath Bell, Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes, Tomas Fleischmann, Stephen Weiss, Jose Theodore, and Chris Versteeg. :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What he said
If we settle for Matt Moore we will possibly go 10-6 and loose in the wildcard. F that. Give me a Franchise QB for the future. We will NOT get Barkely because we wont have a high enough pick, either way we are going to have to give up something to get our Franchise QB.
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by maverickcyc on Jan 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Two of the four championship slots this year will be teams with great defenses and mediocre QBs. Yes it is a passer-friendly league now, but champions always have been – and always will be – the teams that can defend. We have that now, but we may not by the time a rookie QB is ready to truly compete. Moore isn’t exactly exciting, but he is good enough to win with the right pieces around him.
Now by all means if RGIII falls to us, or if we can move up without giving up too much, take him. But that is probably a long shot. Manning would be great, but again highly unlikely. Personally, I’d be okay with moving down several slots to get more picks.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 15, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
NO
starting an average QB has gotten us nowhere the last 10 years
by CAphinfan on Jan 14, 2012 10:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This^
We’ve used this philosophy for the past decade and it hasn’t worked… Is time to go back to the old philosophy that worked…
Miami's Superstars: Reggie Bush, Brandon Marshall, Jake Long, Mike Pouncey, Karlos Dansby, Cameron Wake, Vontae Davis and Sean Smith (just wait), Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Mike Stanton, Gaby Sanchez, Hanley Ramirez, Josh Johnson, Heath Bell, Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes, Tomas Fleischmann, Stephen Weiss, Jose Theodore, and Chris Versteeg. :)
Yeah, it's not a coincidence that the one year we had outstanding above-mediocre QB play (Pennington), we actually made the playoffs
It’s too bad he was/is injury prone.
by hbkDolphins on Jan 14, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Also not a coincidence
that the year we had the weakest schedule in the NFL, fewest penalties, fewest turnovers, Tom Brady injured, and Brett Favre sabotaging the Jets was the one year we won the division. We also ran a gimmicky, run first offense. Not to take away from Pennington (who became one of my favorite Dolphins for his play that year) but there was MUCH more that went into that season than improved QB play.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 15, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
That's part of the story
But lack of continuity at QB and coach, allowing a great defense to age and decline without finding replacements, lack of playmakers around those average QBs, consistently missing on draft picks, and (let’s face it) weak fan support have all contributed to the decline of this franchise. QB play certainly played a part, but it’s not the whole story. Hell, from 1983 to 2000 we had HoF QB play and still have 0 championships to show for it.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 15, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
"All the money in the world can't buy a perfect season"
" I'm a Buffalo Bills/Sabres fan so I don't know how to react to this"
(Bills fan after winning a tipping comp)
by AussiePhinfan on Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
People look at Moore's stats and always come up with
he only had 9 interceptions, what they fail to look at is his 14 fumbles. As a comparison everyone thinks of Mark Sanchez as fumbling a lot, he had 10. The only difference is Sanchez lost a few more than Moore did.
Moore did well but we need an upgrade, not next year not the year after, now. We have tried the retreads, we have tried “second-tier” QB’s, none have worked. We are not looking for the next “Dan Marino” (although that would be great), what we need is a franchise QB, a top 10 QB. Someone that with only a few minutes left can put the team on his back and score to win the game. With the exception of the Jets game every game we won this year were close to blowouts (average win of 15-16 PPG). I didn’t see anything from Moore that he could put the team on his back and lead the team to a win.
You make examples of QB’s well I have some even more recent examples: Cam Newton breaks rookie records, Joe Flacco leads his team to the AFC Championship game as a rookie, Ben Roethlisberger goes to the AFC Championship game as a rookie and wins the Super Bowl in his second season.
Will RG3 be like any of those QB’s? Maybe, maybe not but the bottom line is he is the 2nd best QB in this draft and if he wasn’t going against the best QB prospect since Elway he would be the #1 pick easily. We have an opportunity to pick a top QB, will it cost, yes it will but at least it is a possibility. People want to wait till next year for Barkely, well Barkely will cost A LOT more and there is a good chance the team with the top pick will be more QB needy than St. Louis and Minnesota are ATM.
So I must say I respectfully disagree with you. One other point: new regimes equal new QB’s more often than not (even with Ireland still retained…. and RG3 is from Irelands alma mater).
^^^^^^DUH
100% aggree with secret agent j 78
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by maverickcyc on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's actually really easy to get a great QB...
All you need to do is select: “create new player” and…
by Masatoshi-san on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 PM EST via Android app reply actions
LOL
Kind of like the old Parcells quote. Something along the lines of, “I can’t just dial 1-800-FINDAQB.”
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are right on one key point
We shouldn’t mortgage the future just because we are desperate for the franchise QB of our dreams. If we could get Luck, yes, I’d take that gamble. I am not as convinced that RG III is guaranteed to be a winner. I could see us making do with Moore for now, building a really good O-line, picking up a good TE, maybe another really fast RB, and having the pieces in place to go and get Barkley next year. That would leave us in a much better long-term position, in my view. That said, I think Ross will be doubly desperate to buy his QB this year after losing out on Fisher. I could see him telling Ireland to bet the farm on RG III – and that might well be a disaster.
I don't mind sucking for Luck - but I draw the line at swallowing.
Barkely is good but no RG3
Barkley will cost more then RG3 and we will have to give up more to get him since we will probably pick in the late teens next year.
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by maverickcyc on Jan 15, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand what some are thinking
They say RG3 will cost too much and then in the next sentence they say they would rather get Barkely next year. He will cost A LOT more than RG3 will.
Your completely right, There's just a couple of holes to fill on the roster as it stands
But why cant we do that in free agency, and still draft a qb for the future??
We will see what happens once free agency hits- if we address all our needs except qb, ill bet were going after RG3.. its another waiting game is all it is.. I love what MM has done, and am really excited for next year, ill be more excited if we get that QB for the future.. Ross wants a “young shula” and a franchise qb to go with him
please dont sell the farm for a skinny rb disguised as qb
come on people you are all so desperate here to land a franchise qb you’d draft irelands grandma if kiper and mcshay said she was #2 qb on his big board, look why do you think part of the reason manning and brady have been so successful, aside from brady and the cheating scandal, they have both had prob the top 2-5 o-lines every year since they have been qb’s, do you ever watch them play ive never seen 2 qb’s have so much time brady more than manning to throw a ball more accurately cause they are rarley rushed. hit them both and pressure and sack them and they fold like chairs something older qb’s like marino elway young kelly would get knocked around and come back and stick it to you. rome wasnt built in a day and if we reach just because its a sexy pick who first of all i’m not sold on just to satisfy your need to want to believe the guy is “franchise” material, i think its way to risky to trade so much for luck let alone rg3 who i wouldnt even draft even if he fell to us at 9, look the franchise qb marino couldnt win us anything why? cause the rest of the team all his career was garbage, we need to shore the “team,” i get its a qb driven league but these qb’s arent doing all this stuff with no talent around them. i believe we should draft riley rieff with the 9th pick, which will give us an o-line like brady and manning have had all their careers, then go for a ball hawk saftey, pick up a te, and beef up our front 7, and then we can re-visit the qb position next year, who knows where we will draft next year and i’m fine sticking with moore for now.at least there will be good qb’s we can get without selling the farm for, remember the “TEAM” win the sb not the qb. ask our beloved dan marino about this one his team constantly failed him, a franchise qb does nothing for us if our team and coach sucks, please remember that!!!
^^^^ Tom Foolery
That has to be the most ridiculous and utterly dumb comment I have read about RG3. Non football fans can see that the Heisman Winner has a great arm. He was Pass first, so how does that make him a RB disguised as a QB?? Joke
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by maverickcyc on Jan 15, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
other than what i said about rg3 which is my opinion what is dumb its all mainly fact??? our positions of need, what our old franchise qb did for us, what a team does for a franchise qb? my opinion about rg3 is my opinion i dont think the juice is worth the squeeze to sell the farm for him and i dont like his game so thats dumb? cause i dont agree with you? yes another rb/qb who doesnt have much experience playing under center in a pro style offense, sorry i’ll save my draft picks build up the team and take a pass on desperation thank you!!!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Now your yelling it with emphasis?
See the beauty of it is that its understated. You have swayed from that.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
I yelled it like Emilioooo!
Lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 16, 2012 5:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Low key is the way to go I tell ya. Freaking NYers!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
He's bigger than Drew Brees
Brees – 6’0, 207 lb
RG3 – 6’2, 220 lb
And we can get offensive linemen in Free Agency. Carl Nicks will be one, pro bowler from new orleans.
by hbkDolphins on Jan 15, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
You lost me at
skinny rb disguised as qb
No one cares what Kiper or McShay say but I do care what real NFL scouts say and the word out is RG3’s potential is through the roof.
People that don’t know what they are talking about want to pigeonhole him as “another black QB”. Sure he has speed and mobility of Vick but he has the intelligence of Peyton an arm like Favre and accuracy like Brees. He does need some work on his footwork and get some more experience under center but that is all very easily coachable. He has all the intangibles that are not coachable and the things you want in a franchise QB. In fact the only concern I have is, he was injury redshirted as a Sophmore due to an ACL injury which he showed no ill effects in his last 2 years.
he can be orange for all i care my only concern is i’m not sold on him nor his game, like you mentioned he already has suffered through a major injury which already scares me away and he runs alot which means his shelf wont be as long from taking hit after hit and he has no experience playing under center, i think kiper and mcshay are bums and just like to hear them talk, we need to not sell everything out of desperation we need to fix our o-line or it wont matter who the qb is if he getting sacked 60 times a year and constant pressure in their face will not make us a winner
This^
People that don’t know what they are talking about want to pigeonhole him as "another black QB".
Also anyone that makes this comment is flat out being a racist. I am fine with someone saying they do not think he is the answer. My issue is that all of his skills outside of maybe his wheels just so happen to compare with those of white QB’s and yet so many will still compare him to only black QB’s. I don’t get that narrow minded thinking.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 AM EST up reply actions
Me either
If he was white people would be raving that he is the next Steve Young or a more athletic Aaron Rodgers but since he is black he is the next Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young or Mike Vick.
Yep. Or so it seems.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Must look at cost benefit!!!
I like RG3. I love andrew Luck. When we were 0-7, I was excited.
Now we played ourselves out of contention for those 2. Washington and Cleveland are ahead of in the draft and also need QBs. So unless youare willing to pull an Oakland, we are not going to get RG3.
We are FUBARD!!
So, keep MM. If he plays well and we make the playoffs, great. Next year, Landry Jones, M Barkley and ?? will be in the picture. So if it doesn’t work out with Moore, there will be be other options.
As a leader of the Suck for Luck, well we screwed that up. Now we have to live the consequences of being 6-10 instead of 3-13!! However, now that Henne and Tonee are out of the picture well????
This
Listen I see the point that we need a big time QB, but this is not the year that we give up the farm to go get one. Lets pick Flynn up to push Moore and use free agency/draft to fill the reamining holes on this team. People say Moore was can not lead this team and to that I say he just showed up he can take an 0-7 team and almost pull out an even season. Is he perfect no, but he is good enough to win games. Will we be better next year Yes. Will it cost us more next year to move up Yes. But what if we sign Flynn and he becomes the franchise QB we were looking for. All that would cost us is a free agent contract. What we don’t need is to be desperate and go after RGIII. Does he have the tools to be a good QB yes, but we have more needs than QB. Think about what Moore could have done if we had just an average RT. I can assure you he would not have had 14 fumbles on the season.
Allowing 12 points against in our 6 wins was the main reason we won
People say Moore was can not lead this team and to that I say he just showed up he can take an 0-7 team and almost pull out an even season.
Moore did play well in a few games but he had 1 4th quarter come back (week 17). He did nothing to show me he can put the team on his back and lead them to victory.
BTW Flynn is going to cost #1 QB money, we have gone that route and it hasn’t worked out.
Saints Pro Bowl OG Carl Nicks is a free agent
Dolphins should go after Nicks big time, boost the Offensive Line, then trade up to get RG3. Big improvement to two positions of need right there.
That would be sweet if we could pull it off.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 16, 2012 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, lets use another top 15 pick on an o-lineman
which will be our 3rd since 2008. Do other teams do that? No, because you can find quality o-lineman throughout the draft. The Eagles started a 7th round pick rookie this past year.
We NEED a QB. You say that there is a learning curve. That’s true, but rookie QBs can still be very effective if they are good and with quality coaching. Look at Andy Dalton. Took them from 4-12 to 10-6 (or 9-7 IDK) with a rookie WR. The Steelers got to the AFC championship game in 2004 with a rookie of the name of Ben Rothelisberger. Flacco got to the playoffs every year since he came into the league.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
One of them "Young Guns"
The only two linemen we have that are worth a damn
are the ones that we picked in the first round. Carey was also decent in his prime, and was also a first round linemen. Meanwhile our veteran linemen have looked like Colombo, McQuistan, and Berger (though Incognito has been a decent short term player).
Our late round picks (4-7) on offensive line since 2001: Rex Hadnot, Drew Mormino, Shawn Murphy, Donald Thomas, Tony Pape, Andrew Gardner, Joe Toledo, Anthony Alabi, Tim Provost, Shawn Draper, and Brandon Winey. Not a single decent player drafted in a decade.
Round 3 guys have been hit and miss: Seth McKinney and Wade Smith ended up being pretty good players, Taylor Whitley and Grey Ruegamer were terrible. The jury is still out on John Jerry, but all signs point to him ending up as either a weak starter or (more likely) a serviceable and fairly versatile backup.
Forget going after linemen late. Get them early (round 1 or 2) and get them on the field, and the chances are pretty good that you’re set at that position for the next decade. Keep going after late round guys and you’ll end up with a hodge-podge line filled with tweeners and guys who are seriously deficient in at least one area (which is the reason that they fell so far to begin with).
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 15, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
All the points regarding contracts and age are irrelevant
if we use those excuses we will never draft a qb.
This team is not good enough to win in the playoffs, and a couple players at non impact positions aren’t going to change that.
If the opportunity presents itself for us to move up and get a top qb prospect, we MUST do it NOW.
Why? Because of your points about the learning curve, chemistry, etc.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 15, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good read! I agree with most of what was said.
I would say we need to look at what the talent heavy positions are and pick from there. IMO, this class is deep with Tackles and Cornerbacks in the 1st rd. An upgrade at both positions would be great. I personally value corners more than RT’s so that is what I would pick. I think we can drop back 10 spots and get extra picks. Get a RT, TE, and QB in rds 2-3.
by mjams on Jan 15, 2012 9:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
how good do you think joe flacco is?
he is 5-3 in the playoffs and has his team again 1 win away from the sb, i think flacco is nothing more than average i have the same feeling for moore although i think moore can be a bit better, whats the difference coaching and top tier talent, 2 things the dolphins dont have, and what we need to build through the draft. we have some decent talent that could be top tier with the right coach regardless of who the qb is, and we dont need to sell our soul to do it either, i dont know why its such a crazy idea to address areas of need which giving away way to many important draft picks especially cause most cant stand jeff ireland so much so you want to give him less picks to work with so then yall can cry and complain about him even more

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