How much should we dislike Ireland? Take a look...
Ireland is not the problem. Quick background: Ireland is the stepson of College Football Hall of Famer E. J. Holub, who played center and linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs and Dallas Texans. Ireland is also the grandson of Jim Parmer, who played for the Philadelphia Eagles and was a personnel executive for the Chicago Bears.
Anyone that has been around football, high-level football, for his entire life, knows a lot about the game. More than you or I.
He has hit on some really good draft picks and solid on others. And of course missed a few. I will say this, in his first “final-say-having” draft, it looks pretty GD good to me after year 1. Let’s take a quick look-see:
1. Pouncey – Future Pro Bowler and my vote for best lineman this season.
2. Thomas – Everyone can see how fast/quick/hard he hits the hole. He’s 8yds upfield before anyone touches him… if he can only stay healthy (and hold onto the ball).
3. No pick, traded up into 2nd to get Thomas.
4. Gates – obviously was a project and already beginning to have impact. Dude can fly.
5. Clay – another great pick for the 5th round. We’ve all seen what this guy can do.
6. Kearse – (Frank) but maybe they thought he was related to Jevon. (or maybe he is!)
7. Wilson – The only thing this guy is murdering are opposing wideouts.
I would also say that his FA acquisitions have been nearly fantastic? Let’s list them, starting with his most current and most power-wielding season:
1. Reggie Bush – Enough said.
2. Kevin Burnett – Showed what he can do during our 6-3 finish.
3. Matt Moore – He’s more of a gamer than Chad Henne. Not to mention playing for a new contract next year.
4. Jason Taylor – Ireland’s call to bring him back to walk off into the sunset as a Dolphin.
5. Karlos Dansby – 2 years ago, I know. But D & B will wreak havoc for a few years in the middle of the field for our D.
6. Paul Soliai – yeah, Franchise tag. Too much money but it also kept us out of a long-term deal if we want to go to a 4-3 or just find him replaceable in general. Maybe smarter move than you thought, eh?
7. That’s all I can think of right now as being major…but good Lord, not bad!
Cons:
1. Stupid effing question to Dez. Flat-out dumb. Unless… he was trying to be a dick; in that case…well done.
2. He kinda looks like a d-bag, doesn’t he?
3. Mark Columbo.
Thoughts?
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The biggest knock on Ireland is that he hasn't found a franchise QB...
although it can be argued that he hasn’t had the chance to on his own yet. If Ireland gets us a franchise QB, people will get off his back once the wins start pouring in and we are contenders again.
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Yes. And he will make it happen soon. I know it or I will go insane and have to live in your basement.
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Heh heh heh nastalga!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU
I have been saying the same thing. he really hasn’t done as bad a job as everyone is saying except drafting a qb. if he trades up to get RG3 or P. Manning and we start winning early and late in the season and get to the playoffs then people will get off his back and see how good he is. and remember this is his 1st crack at being GM
He's been the GM for the past FOUR years. Yes Parcells had final say in the first three but he was directly involved for all of them.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Parcells had ALL the say...
He was a dictator, as he has always been.
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Ireland learned from a dictator then
I don’t trust him to fix anything. He has to earn that, and so far, he and Ross haven’t.
by hbkDolphins on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
He will get his chance this year
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He learned from his grandfather...
His grandfather(Jim Parmer) helped build the ’85 Bears.
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
How old was Ireland in 1985? He went to Baylor from1988-1991.
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
This is the part that I simply don't agree with
Parcells had ALL the say…
If that is the case, then Ireland gets NO credit for any positive that happened while Parcells was here. Long, Pennington, Dansby, Marshall, Odrick, Davis, Smith, Misi, Jones, Bess, Hartline, etc. are all on Parcells then.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Fair enough. We all know Parcells is/was a control freak and we all know that nothing went down that was
not either directly his idea or that he cleared.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't believe that was the case, but as long as we agree then that Ireland gets NO credit while Parcells was here, then that works for me.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
I am sure he had a ton of input but there was a Parcells way of doing things that everyone had to follow.
I want to see what happens given the guy a couple of years without that around his neck.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really think Parcells had anything to say about Marshall?
I think he had removed himself by then… It was only a matter of time before it was offical at that point..
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 14, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
We were all kinda thinking that it was the wideouts that we had on the team not henne's fault ooppps!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
He approved it.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 14, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
i have no problem with Ireland,
he just really needs to figure out a way to get that franchise QB (aka trade up for RGIII)
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by #1Heatfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
Basically do anything to trade with the Vikings, who said they will keep Ponder. Do you trust him to do that?
I don’t, he’s more likely to trade back.
by hbkDolphins on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
gotta trade with the rams..
or else someone else will..
by kabvorka on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I get your points
He screwed up not just with Dez Bryant. He screwed up with Ryan Clark also. For coaches he screwed us out of Fisher and couldn’t get Harbaugh to come.
With Matt Moore, all he found was a backup quarterback.
It was Jeff Ireland’s call to waste 2 second rounders on Brandon Marshall
Even though Parcells had final say the first three years, Jeff Ireland was still directly involved and was the General Manager.
Don’t just forget all the bad contracts (Jake Grove, Jstin Smiley, Ernest Wilford, etc. )
Jeff Ireland has no credibility and no quality coach wants to work with him because he is a jerk that stabbed Tony in the back.
And finally all of you who defend how he is a good GM, why in the hell do you have confidence in him, what has he done in four years to make you think he is good at his job?
Go Heat and Dolphins
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
He has been the GM of a franchise that has had 3 straight losing seasons, the first time since the 60's
Ireland gets credit for the good, but none of the blame for the bad. And I find it hard to believe, with 3 straight losing seasons (with a stretch of 10 loses in a row over two seasons), losing 11 of 12 at home, among other things, that there has been more good than bad during his reign as GM
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
by ct1361 on Jan 13, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nicky
"Theyas no fawking qwatahback!"-Anonymous Patriots fan at seeing the Wildcat formation for the first time.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well to start with...
He didn’t screw up with Dez Bryant. He asked a stupid question but that’s it. We still could have drafted him if we wanted.
He didn’t screw us out of Ryan Clark, who is not an elite safety, but one who is a product of a good system and playing next to Polamalu.
He didn’t screw us out of Fisher as Ross had the final say and word is it was Ross, not Ireland, who wouldn’t cave into Fisher’s demands.
He didn’t screw us out of Harbaugh since the coaching position wasn’t actually vacant (Ross’s fault there).
Matt Moore may be a backup. But at least we didn’t give up a draft pick for the fabulous Kyle Orton or Carson Palmer. Moore was a good find in a weak market. And while I think he should have drafted one, he probably knew that Sparano didn’t have the luxury of waiting on a rookie to develop. So at least stood by his coach there.
He traded for Marshall, who only posted 2 consecutive 1000 yards seasons, over half of which came with Henne throwing his passes (yikes).
You mentioned some bad contracts, but those were issued during the Parcells era. While I’m sure Jeff had some input, those choices fall back on BP. And if you think Jeff was anything more than just a vocal observer during that time, then you don’t know Parcells very well.
So he’s had one draft to run by himself, in which, he did a good job. He found one very good player and some other decents pieces that can contribute. And that’s really all you can ask for in any one single draft. If you except to get more than 2 impact players from any given draft, you will always be disappointed.
Why don’t you wait until after the draft, when we see what the team will look like in 2012? I guarantee that if Ireland finds us a franchise QB, everyone will shut up about him.
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by The Earl on Jan 13, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Again, someone gives credit to Ireland for the good and none of the blame for the bad.
If you are going to say that Parcells is to blame of the bad contracts and bad picks etc, he then gets credit for the Marshall signing, the Pennington signing, the Long pick, etc. because all of those happen while he was here.
See, I don’t buy any of the Parcells, he was the dictator, crap. Parcells specifically brought Ireland with him as the GM so Parcells didn’t have to make decisions. Parcells might have been a sounding board, and offered advice, but the GM in this organization makes the decision. That IMO was Ireland.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
To expand on this ...
Parcells became President of Football Operations specifically because he didn’t want to do the day to day work a GM is required to do. It has been stated many times that Parcells didn’t even come to the facility everyday, even during the season, while he was with the Dolphins. To think that he made Ireland do all the work and then made all the decisions is just wrong, IMO. If Ireland had any self respect, he wouldn’t have accepted that arrangement as GM.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Maybe Ireland was part of the bad... who cares?
Name one organization that doesn’t have bad signings or draft picks. And with Parcells, you know he wasn’t going to allow Ireland to make choices other than Parcells-approved choices. As VP of football operations, all decisions went through him. And given Parcells’ character, I’m sure he got his way most of the time. Last year, Ireland was put in a very tough situation. He became full time GM, but with a lame duck HC and during a lockout. He also had to build a team that was ready to “win-now” and didn’t have the option to start fresh, like some teams did. He made the best of a tough situation. Now, he gets a chance to rebuilt/retool the team with a new HC and do it HIS way from the start. And my bet is he goes for a QB this time in the draft. And if he gets one, and that QB becomes a franchise QB, most fans won’t care about Ireland’s misses anymore.
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We should all care Earl because we all care about the Dolphins.
I understand every organization has “Bad” as in bad draft picks, bad free agent signing, etc. But good organizations overcome this bad with a lot more good.
Every one (just about) on this site that likes Ireland always points to the good but not the bad. The bad is either Parcells fault or Sparano’s. I just don’t buy it. I don’t understand how Ireland, who came into the organization with those two, is absolved of everything bad that has happened.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
by ct1361 on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No one is absolving Ireland of anything
We can argue about this all day, but in the end, it all comes back to the QB. If Ireland finds a franchise QB in this draft, no one is going to be up in arms over a missed RG or whatever. I can guarantee you that no one will be making “We need to Fire Jeff Ireland” posts if we have a franchise QB lighting it up. Ireland is catching the heat because we drafted Henne and he failed. If Ireland makes up for that by drafting a franchise QB, who is seriously going to say “Yeah well Ireland may have gotten us RG3, but he still missed that Jake Grove pick… he’s gotta go”?
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I agree on the Franchise QB
And we both agree that a Franchise QB covers up a whole lot of other holes on the roster and getting that QB is the Phins #1 priority.
I will admit that I don’t think Ireland has done a good job to this point. I think his misses are far more numerous than his hits. What I am trying to point out is that the “Pro” Ireland crowd can’t say that all the good stuff that happened when Parcells was here was the result of Ireland, while all the bad stuff in the same time period was Parcells fault. It doesn’t work that way.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Yeah thats right
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
well... whatever you want to say...
Credit him with all those bad drafts… But call it a learning process… If he can deliver a few more drafts like the last draft that produced 2 immediate starters, a special teams returner, a backup CB and special teamer, and possibly a solid change of pace back for Reggie Bush in the draft… You call Ireland a home run hitter. Add to that additions of Reggie Bush as a every down back(who else but him called that one), and Kevin Burnett. If he keeps on this streak of bringing in guys, how do you get rid of the guy? When was the last guy he missed on?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 14, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
What has Jeff Ireland done to give you confidence he is a good GM?
Brandon Marshall is one of the top paid receivers in the NFL and all he does is drop touchdowns and be a troublemaker. He is not a real #1 receiver. Wasting 10 million dollars a year and two second round picks for a freakin cancer like Brandon Marshall. A real #1 receiver is like Hakeem Knicks or Andre Johnson
It wasn’t Ross’s fault that Jeff Ireland stabbed Tony in the back and went to look for another coach to save his own ass
Ireland and Sparano hated each other, hell even their families and wives hated each other since Ireland went on that plane. Ire NEVER tried to help Tony out.
Bottom Line it has been four years with Ireland as GM and we have been 7-9, 7-9, 6-10. The first year was fluke because of a soft schedule and Chad Pennington fell into his lap.
He has done nothing to inspire any confidence he can do this job PERIOD.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I never said I was that confident in Ireland
He needs to get a franchise QB and then I’ll have more confidence.
As for Marshall, you opinion is biased and way off. First of all, Marshall had drop issues before he ever came to Miami. He averaged about 13 drops a season, which is what he is averaging here. Maybe that’s not #1 material to you, but without him, this team doesn’t win any games this year. PERIOD! He commands double teams and is one of the few WRs in the league that can regularly win against Revis and other top CBs. The biggest issue with Marshall is that he’s had Henne throwing him the ball. Marshall actually played much better with Moore at the helm. Imagine how he’ll play if we get an elite QB who doesn’t overthrow, underthrow, throw behind him, and can actually find him when he’s open. And even after ALL of that, he still makes the Pro Bowl with an 81 rec, 1214 yard, 6 TD season. It’s not his fault he doesn’t have Brady or Rodgers throwing him passes.
And really, as I said with the very first comment, this all boils down to the QB. No one gives a crap if Ireland misses with a RG signing. The only reason people do not have confidence in him is because we don’t have a franchise QB. Anyone saying that Ireland must go needs to ask themselves one question: what will it take for you to be confident in your GM, whomever that may be? I bet that 99 times out of 100, the answer will be “find a franchise QB”. That’s what it’s going to take. If Ireland trades up and draft Griffin this year and he becomes the franchise QB, is anyone really going to care if we miss on another Ernest Wilford? No.
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I am biased about Brandon Marshall..
He hits women (on multiple occasions), he got his teammate killed (Darren Williams), he doesn’t pay for cabs, the list goes on and on I don’t support people like that. I don’t know about you but just because he’s a Dolphin I don’t support criminals especially ones that hit women
#1 receivers don’t drop more touchdowns than he catches. PERIOD
I respect your argument for Ireland but I just don’t agree. Here is an older article displaying Ireland’s arrogance.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-trippintuesday042710
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
A little over the top there, Mike.
Nothing Marshall did with the team that was cancerous. It was Ross’s fault. He’s the boss, you do what the boss wants. What tv show did I miss about the wives and families? The four years you speak of are justified, however, to say he had control over all of those years is misguided. I get little confidence in Ireland but to say nothing? And then all caps period?
You aren’t making your point very well -even to those who are inclined to agree Ireland’s not the guy.
I never got a prize for doing what was expected of me.
how can you say that all brandon marshall does is drop catches
and prefer Nicks who has countless wide open drops as well.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and all but you’re way off on Marshall. We got him for 2 second round picks.. and he’s in the Pro Bowl after consecutive 1000 yard seasons. We got a hell of a value.
I'm ALL- IN. Do whatever it takes to get Andrew Luck or RGIII to Miami in 2012.
Laces out!
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BRANDON MARSHALL- FUTURE MIAMI HOF WR!!!!!
Tom Brandstater- more TD's than completions. Last person to tell him that's not possible, well, nobody has seen him since.
Hakeem Nicks does not hit women,
Hakeem Nicks does not get teammates killed,
Hakeem Nicks does not pout in the locker room after wins (Marshall did this year after Buffalo win).
Hakeem Nicks does not drop more touchdowns than he catches.
We are paying him 10 million dollars a year to be elite. He clearly has not been.
For all of you who think Marshall is not a cancer Ben Volin form the Palm Beach Post said Matt Moore had rifts with only one player… Brandon Marshall!
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
But Marshall was Parcell's doing
Ireland had nothing to do with it right?
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Jeff Ireland was the GM
Your telling me the GM had NOTHING to do with it?
I know Bill had final say but Ireland was directly involved
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Because of the point that Ct has been trying to articulate.
Many fans seperate “good” from “bad” personnel moves between Ireland and Parcells/Sparano respectively.
That is why I only used last offseason as my “study” so to speak to evaluate as objectively as possible his performance at General Manager in his first full season without Parcells having any role on the team.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
He was involved in all the decisions, he was the GENERAL MANAGER
He didn’t have final say but he was Parcell’s right hand man
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
You are obviously not understanding what I am saying.
There are two ways to approach this A.) If someone is to approach his tenure from the beginning you are looking at 3 consecutive losing seasons after 2008 with Ireland directly responsible for personnel decisions. if you want to go back through all 4 years it won’t look very good. However many people claim that you B.) can only approach his tenure since Parcells departure from the organization with the knowledge that his decision was final as far as personnel moves. So that is what I did.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I don't agree, I think you need to start fresh but...
I see your point and respect your opinion
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
He took over when the final roster was set in 2010. An churned the roster more than any other GM.
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
it is exactly this that concerns me about ireland. that he's bill's 'man.' he's made by a guy who needs
someone like ireland around to do the work. someone said in a recent post that no self-respecting person would accept a job like that. and that is exactly the problem. it is just very possible that being bill’s unofficial lackey-in-chief, is his big play. he comes attached to bill, as did tony, as the troika, part of bill’s ego, and not his own man.
btw, arguments like ’he’s been around football all his life’ and ’he’s smarter than you or i’ are simply so stupid they are depressing. george bush was around his father george h w bush all his life, went to harvard, etc…. he was a lousy as hell president. bill clinton was the son of nobody and was a good president and usually the smartest guy in the room. so pedigree is ridiculous.
yes, he may be in a sense smarter at the ropes than those of us who are excluded de facto from that world. but how does he do among the others who are smart at the ropes? that’s what i don’t know.
i worry that he climbed into ross’ skin and is inhabiting and blocking ross’ ability to move and think independently. it was not ross’ but wayne who hard wired the troika into ross’ world. ross is smart to have an outside opinion guy (i’m hardly clear on whether petersn is a good choice) but the instinct is correct. i am deeply worried that by not losing ireland that we remain in the mediocre loop created by the parcells troika, and we arent getting into the right loops.
don’t see marshall as ireland’s fault, or anyone’s fault. it was a risk worth taking, and who knows, in a different environment, maybe it can work. i worry that ireland is a damp towel over every interesting or fresh management/coach possibility because i worry that ireland’s basic orientation may be to keep his job and insist on coaches that he feels will stabilize and appease this weak predilection. but i don’t know ireland these are just shall we say ‘instinctual concerns’ that may be unfair. but they exist.
a white sports coat and a pink crustacean
How do you know their wives hated each other?
Gotta link to a you tube video of a yelling match?
Where do people get this stuff?
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Here is your qoute:
“Ireland and Sparano hated each other, hell even their families and wives hated each other since Ireland went on that plane. Ire NEVER tried to help Tony out.”
Mike do you even have a scrap of evidence to support that this is even remotely true?
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
That's why Sparano's wife never sat in Ross's pressbox with Ross and Ireland in the last season of Sparano's tenure
I heard it on WQAM when one the beat writers reported it (It was Ben Volin or Omar Kelly) . It could be false but you really think Sparano was ok with Ireland stabbing him in the back? I don’t think so
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
One team source said Ireland, who was going to keep his job whether Harbaugh or Sparano was coach next year, "threw Tony under the bus" this week as Sparano was left hanging for four days.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhh I don't disagree with that and I am sure
taht Sparano was personally affected by what happened with Ireland and Ross going to California last January but I have never heard anything about his wife.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
http://wqam.com/index.php?page=347
CLick on the link and scroll down to Ben Volins interview with the BIg Dog on 12-13-11
Skip to about 8 min in and Ben Volin gives a little insight
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I exaggerated a little but you can take listen
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well The Earl excluding the first three seasons (granted hard to do and probably gives a slanted perspective)
lets look for a second at this club from 2010 to 2011 and exclusively on the offensive side of the ball as the defense returned 10 starters and the predominant needs were on offense. I talked about this only a few days ago with Phinphanatic. He made a post where he gave the Offensive Line a “D” rating. I illustrated how that is unfair IMO and elaborated on the team on these issues from 2010 to 2011. I said:
I have to disagree with your rating of the Offensive LIne. I agree with alot of what you said in the justification for the grade but I think the D is very unfair. So many fans continue to malign the performance of the Line as a whole but without justification.
I am disagreeing with two things here. First I agree that the line improved throughout the season but I also believe that the unit all season is the most unfairly maligned unit on the team.
The second thing is that the "line was a below average unit". As a whole I would say the Offensive LIne was only slightly above average because of how irratic pass protection was and the glaring problems Marc Colombo presents in protection schemes.
Let me start here. Despite a worse record by one game in 2011 than 2010 I think the Offense as a whole was better. Coming down the stretch of the 2010 season the offense as we all know had some serious problems especially as injuries accumulated. The interior of the offensive line was a serious problem in the running game with Joe Berger at Center and John Jerry at Right Gaurd as we couldn’t conistantly get penetration at the point of attack. Combined with the problems we were having in pass protection predominatly at Right Tackle and two older runningbacks. The result was that teams felt confident in their base fronts applying pressure and stopping the run allowing them to allocate resources to the passing game. Defenses really had two things to contend with that they could’t allow to beat them. The first was Brandon Marshall in the intermediate passing game and across the middle of the field. The second was Davone Bess underneath and in the short passing game. For the whole second half of the 2010 season if a Defense took these two things away, the offense was done. So what teams did is they bracketed Marshall incessantly and used their best corners on Bess (sometimes doubling him as well). They would shift up their coverages and what personnel groupings and double teams they used e.t.c. but those were the things they could not allow to beat them. If their club was able to succesfully eliminate these players like the Browns, Jets (second time) Bills (second time) Patriots (second time) e.t.c. then the offense was crippled. We couldn’t run the ball as I mentioned, we had troubles protecting the Quarterback, we didn’t have any speed (as Dan Henning said so many times in the season and whom I also and controversially believe was unfailry maligned) and as a result we couldn’t force the defense back up so they condensed the field in combination with the coverages they were running on Marshall and Bess. The result was an offense tied for 27th in the league in yards per play, 21st in yards through the air (per attempt which is the most accurate way to assess stats IMO) 29th in yards per attempt on the ground and 30th in the league in turnovers.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2010&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1
So as a result Henning stepped down (as I said though I dont believe he was the problem) and Ireland tried to address these issues in the offseason. Let Ronnie Bown and Ricky Williams walk, traded for Reggie Bush and drafted Daniel Thomas in the second round. Let Joe Berger go, moved Vernon Carey to Gaurd and addressed RT (although unsuccessfully). Drafted Clyde Gates in the fourth round to give the team seperation and downfield ability and drafted Charles Clay in the sixth round to help the Tight End position and provide rotation for Fasano. All were the logical moves to address the team needs and despite some not working out some did. Back to the point about the Line. The Dolphins finsihed the season 11th in the league in yards per attempt on the ground, and slightly better in total offense per attempt and Turnover margin (not too much better becuase of moves like Gates not panning out). Obviously Reggie Bush was a piece of the improvement in the ground game but the larger piece were the moves on the interior of the Offensive LIne and teams that had personnel or schematic issues against the run really struggled through the middle of the season against the Dolphins especially Buffalo twice, the Chiefs and the Raiders and possibly Philly had injuries not be sustained. Teams that are very stout in the front seven like Washington and Dallas held their own.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/team
Sorry for rambling. My points were this. As for Ireland I have no idea where you stand, I have mixed feelings because I think he addressed all the right areas but only some of those moves panned out. My main point is that the ones on the interior of the Line did and that despite problems in pass protection (RT!) the line deserves a better grade than a D. As you said though "I think that this Line is great example of how bad one player can affect an entire line."
So in review Jeff Ireland addressed the key offensive needs as I did and attempted to address them all. Addressing needs though is only a tiny piece of his job description.
The problems on the interior of the Offensive line were dealt with through the Pouncey pick at 15 and moving Vernon Carey to Gaurd. Two very effective moves. Hiring Marc Colombo however at Right Tackle was a huge mistake in judgement creating a serious problem on offense and detracting from very good line play for the entire season. Injuries to Lydon Murtha e.t.c. he has no control over.
The Dolphins had to address the runningback position which they did with the Reggie Bush trade and the Daniel Thomas draft pick in the second round and by letting Brown and Williams sign elsewhere (Philly and Baltimore). The Reggie Bush move was phenomenal but the Daniel Thomas move has not been neearly as successfully. Again injuries are not Irelands fault, but many of Thomas struggles on the field should have been seen.
We needed explosion badly and downfield speed to create seperation. He drafted Edmond Gates in the fourth round and Charles Clay in the 6th round. Gates has not yet worked out and Clay is a situational player.
At Quarterback he failed to address the need in a starting capacity. Meaning that Jeff Ireland dealt with all of the offenses critical needs but solved them at less than a 50% rate. So it is a mixed bag.
Sorry for that being so long.
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My stance on Ireland is this:
This is his REAL first off-season where he, and only he, gets to pick the franchise QB. He has one chance to get it right. If he does, and as result we start winning and contending, then I’ll be fine.
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I disagree. How is this his first "REAL" offseason, it is his second
real offseason and his first needs to be assessed.
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It's his first real off-season where he gets to pick the QB
It was obvious that the team was going to move forward with Henne last year. And the Henne pick itself was either partially or wholly influenced by Parcells. This season will be his first where he gets complete credit or blame for the QB choice.
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I disagree again.
Granted I am entirely unqualified to make judgements and I understand that. I could and never will run a football team in any formal capacity at any seriosu level. However Ireland is the GM of this team and he has to qualified and performing at a high level.
He was the General Manager of this team heading into his first offseason alone last January. I had mixed feelings about Chad and many positive but again my decisions dont decide the fate of this organization, his do. And that insinuates that he believed without a doubt that Chad Henne was the solution at the position looking forward.
By this: http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/2/25/2014132/dolphins-jeff-ireland-critical-chad-henne-
and this: http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/7/28/2300721/miami-dolphins-continue-to-pursue-denvers-kyle-orton
it doesn’t appear that that is the case. Meaning he is obligated IMO to make a move which he did not. Again Im not trying to be overly critical and I am not someone who wants him fired immediately, I just have mixed feelings about it all and along with the good moves have been questionable ones.
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What he did was not give away draft picks for a crappy backup
Henne was going to get competition and Ireland didn’t want to trade for and extend a player who was only going to be competition. This is the first offseason where he a) isn’t linked to Henne and b) will be mandated to go get a QB in the draft. We’ll see how he does then.
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Honestly that is a pretty risky approach to a season when dealing with the
most important position in sports. After a 6-10 season he is lucky to have a job. That doesn’t change the fact that as an independent GM (always in consultation and agreement with Head Coach) he had a major decision and that is the one he made. Also the Henne issue wasn’t the only one on offense. I talked about them all above.
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But then again, they couldn't really afford to rebuild either and since they were supposed to "win now"
they didn’t have time to draft and develop a QB.
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by The Earl on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Earl, that sounds to me like a manager
far more interested in his job security than the future of this franchise. If Ireland had come to the conclusion that Henne was not the longterm solution at the position than that isn’t an excuse.
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Also the Quarterback discussion is only one facet of his first year
in independent control. The Henne issue will only go in circles, which is why I attempted to judge his first season addressing the offensive needs of the team as objectively as possible.
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Also it feels as though to me that you think I am being overly critical or
something. I am simply weighing positive and negatives of the personnel moves from last season which wasn’t by any strecth all bad nor was it all good. He has a clean slate this season outside of the possibility that he was a deterrent in acquiring Jeff Fisher.
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The Earl I am currently working on a post (and almost done) assessing Matt Moore's play in the Denver game
using https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=3&s_tnt=35293:9:0 program and as I watch it all again in slow motion you should see the coverages that Dennis Allen is throwing at this team. Despite the drastic improvements in the ground game (which I detailes as being partly Bush and predominantly Pouncey and Carey above and granted it makes playing the Dolphins offense harder) they are running the same coverages against our receivers that teams did down the stretch in 2010. Very aggressive, tight man coverage with pressure packages. Other teams that dont have a corner of Bailey’s caliber have no reservations about doubling Marshall weather Roll or Bracket. Charles Clay and Edmond Gates were ineffective solutions to a serious problem. Now granted Matt Moore in that contest played nothing like a Franchise Quarterback (as I talk about in the post) but these were issues that Ireland knew existed and didn’t solve.
Im not trying to be negative and I understand how hard this is, but to be fair he deserves some blame and some fans are not willing to give it. Others give it without justification.
Just my take.
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Ryan Clark is an elite safety just look what happened when he wasn't playing last week
Polamalu has really elite physical talent talent but Ryan clark is really good at covering up Polamalu’s bad decisions (moving too far forward in OT against Denver!!).But overall a real elite combination between the two.
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by AussiePhinfan on Jan 14, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well that play that are you referring too isn't a good example
because Dick LeBeau’s strategy against the Broncos offense in that contest was to run press man coverage all over the field, bring exterior pressure to contain Tebow in the pocket and run single high to compress the field and have an extra available player in the box to run some of the spy things that wanted to do against Tebow. Polamalu made some mistakes in the game (possibly due to the drastic changes in approach to the game, The Steelers outside of the Pats game this year and that game never run press man like that with consistancy) and the two big ones when the high safety in 1-Cover but not on the play.
Additionally I think LeBeau may want back some of the things that he did in that game. Allow the Broncos to spread out the defense and run press man against those sets made Tebow’s reads easier. The idea though was simple, if Tebow is chained to the pocket (where he so badly struggles) and the defense condenses the field they will be putting pressure on the running game, having an extra man in the box to contain Tebow and the zone-read and will be forcing him to make throws from the pocket to win. They accomplished that.
However it didn’t work because the Broncos were able to get seperation on the press coverage and make explosive plays down the field. Demaryius Thomas’ plays against Ike Taylor stick out but the Broncos had success in multiple different matchups.
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you right but he's still elite
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by AussiePhinfan on Jan 14, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah....
How much good did Ryan Clark do the Steelers against the Broncos?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 14, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
He didn't play against the Broncos. He can't play at Denver. He has Sickle Cell Anemia.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would no say he is bad, but I would not say he is great either. Everything in the NFL is hit or miss. Ryan Leaf. I think he is more of a morles guy my self.
I can not agree yet with Gate and Clay or even Thomas. They all have a ton of upside but so did Yantil Green.
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The Dez Bryant question came because:
Dez was asked, “What did your dad do for a living?”
Dez: “He was a pimp.”
Ireland: “What did your mom do?”
Dez: “She worked for my dad.”
Ireland: “She was a prostitute?”
In full context, which no one ever really posts, it kind of seems like a logical question.
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I mean it makes sense to me lol
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Lol; all logical Questions after the answer he conter-posed!
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and while I agree (and he also has agreed) that it was probably in poor taste its one of those things that you say
off the cuff that you later regret. Can any of you that are bashing him honestly state that you have never made such a mistake? If so I still won’t believe you.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
The question was in poor taste and should have got him fired. Only in the NFL would this be tolerated and accepted.
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Why? He apologized and as Mosul pointed out when viewed in context
despite being an inappropriate question it was retracted.
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That was the logical next question but should not have been asked
hence the apology. Whether he should be fired is a legitimate issue but not because of that question.
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Because you can't ask those types of questions. It is actually against the law.
And the law applies to the NFL just like it does at any other organization in the US. The fact that Dez Bryant is a player doesn’t change that. Dez Bryant can probably sue the Miami Dolphins and win (easily) because of that single question.
If you are in a position to hire (and to fire) people, you need to do that within the law. That is why companies have HR departments so everything that is done is done legally. The fact the Ireland has the ability to hire and fire people and still asked that question means he doesn’t understand the law.
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Ok good point and I am not as well versed as I probably should be legally
but the fact remains when viewed in its full context it is obvious that there was no agenda/malicious intent to the question. That would be considered in court and that this was a first time offense on Irelands part. Should he lose his job, ver possibly, but not over that.
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I have been through weeks of federal training on what and what you can not say in interviews and to employees.
The fact that he was not an employee makes it different and as thus most of the laws do not apply. Now the feds could possibly fine them but those sorts of things are usually restricted to employers that display a pattern of abuse of applicants. Sure he could sue but given that he did receive an apology he would have to then show cause as to why it harmed him in some way and some manner.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
I have taken the same classes TCP.
When this happened, I asked the HR department of the company that I work for what would happen if someone asked that to an applicant. No question, the person who asked that question would have been fired. A formal apology would be sent to the applicant immediately upon finding out about the infraction (not after it got media attention like it did with Ireland) and our lawyers would have been notified about a possible lawsuit. If a lawsuit did occur, it would most likely be settled out of court to avoid further embarrassment.
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But the being fired was that companies policy. Not the law. Also each one would be considered based
on circumstance I would assume. I still do not see where everyone is so out of sorts over there. Honestly if someone tells me their dad is a pimp and his mom worked for his dad then I assume the same. Hell I almost ask out curiosity but not to be a dick about it.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this ...
But the being fired was that companies policy. Not the law. Also each one would be considered based on circumstance I would assume.
It is company policy that person be fired, not the law. But in the case of Ireland and the Dolphins, it was another black eye in an organization that doesn’t need any more black eyes.
If my employee asks that question, I fire them immediately. I don’t care if they are my favorite person in the world, I cannot have that person representing me any longer.
So maybe I’m projecting my feelings on the Dolphins, and I shouldn’t do that. But it seems obvious that Ross has no problem with it. That’s too bad because he could have made a statement that that wouldn’t be tolerated in his organization.
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Ultimately the NFL did not have a huge issue with is and I am sure it was run through their legal
team which rivals that of anyone and they did nothing so I will go with that!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
LOL In poor taste? Really? Its all a fucking joke to me because I know of some of the crap that little douche bag
has pulled around here locally and its far more offensive. Besides his story (which is the one we all hear) is not something I believe. He is a liar and that has been proven over and over and over.
Also if you think that things that are in poor taste are not asked all the time in those interviews by various GM’s then you are kidding yourself. Remember all the other players that after that talked about some of the outrageous questions, that would be considered inappropriate anywhere else, they had been asked?
Look deep down I think that he knows he F’ed up but should it cost him his job? No, I don’t think so.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Also what gets lost is
Silver’s role in all of this……
HE should have been getting the heat. Jeff’s convo with Dez was private….
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
If it was private, then who leaked it to the media? Nothing is private in the NFL.
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Dude I'm sure there is A LOT we don't know.
Dez is the one who yapped to Fisher
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Ireland has been part of the good and the bad, however the good far outweighs the bad. We could have a roster as poor in talent as when he arrived.
He had a lot to do with us getting more talented.
I also think Sparano was around this past season because he had his back, Ross wanted the new coach.
I wouldn’t say he is blameless, but the players we have haven’t been used as well as they can, and Tuna saddling the team with Henning until this season had alot to do with that. Had there been a true offseason and training camp I do not believe we would have lost the first 7, it took to long for the team to gel and find itself. Once it did we looked liek a playoff caliber team WC but still a team that could be in the playoffs
Talented teams don't start 0-7. Talented teams don't finish 6-10.
Every team went through a shortened training camp
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Winning teams have good QBs
We get that problem solved and we’ll be fine.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Smith finished 9th in the league in passer rating
Had 17 TDs to 5 INTs. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the 49ers finished 13-3 in the season their QB had his best season.
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Why didn't Jeff Ireland draft someone like Ryan Mallet last April instead of Dime a dozen running back like Daniel Thomas
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Because he didn't think he was the guy?
If he succeeds in this league it will be more because of the tutelage of Tom Brady than anything else. If he was in Miami right now my guess is he’d be hanging out with strippers, doing blow and on his way to becoming a bust.
We did not have the leadership in place to draft a QB at that time, imo.
Your right but why not take a shot
It’s not like we have an franchise QBs on this roster anyway. Daniel Thomas does nothing for me.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well... I think the answer lies in the fact
that Sporano and Henne were tied together. This year was their last shot and you see how that worked out.
Daniel Thomas is going to be good I think.
by ryan.benker on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe buy him some flowers?
THen maybe he’ll do something for you?
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Drafting Thomas was a terrible pick
And we pissed away our 3rd rounder because of it
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Terrible?
Didn’t he lead or come in 2nd in rushing yards for a rookie in the AFC? Or the league even?
YPC for Thomas not so good. RBs are a dime a dozen.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
That's like saying Thomas is the smartest group in a class of failures by scoring a 'D' on his exam
This year’s group of RB was exceptionally weak. Alex Green didn’t play much initially, then torn his MCL on Special teams. Mikel LeShoure was out for the year with an injury; Mark Ingram was very meh. Thomas was second in rushing yards SOLELY because he got an opportunity to rush the ball. And it was mostly a horror show – including on short yardage situation where he should have excelled.
3.5 YPC, ZERO rushing TD’s, and 12 catches for 72 yards, and some nagging hamstring injurires which were fully known coming out of college. But beyond the numbers, it’s was plain as day to see Thomas is nothing special on the football field. Little cutback ability, below average burst, and his 4.65 combine speed was every bit on display.
You can get these guys anywhere in the draft and even UDFA (Jackie Battle for example), yet, somehow Ireland felt the need to move up – wasting a third round pick – by grabbing Thomas. Never made any sense to me and I’ve been griping about this since the draft well before training camp even started. Proven correct. My only hope now is that he can generate some sort of burst with a full off season to recover from any nagging injurires he could have suffered. And to his credit, he’s tough to bring down, but so is UDFA LaGarrett Blunt; not a reason to go reaching.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Agreed
He has terrible vision. I’ve been calling him D-Train only because he never seems to come off the tracks. He just runs straight, and if the hole isn’t in front of him, he runs up his OL’s ass.
Really wasn’t impressed with him
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
when he started he had like 2 straight 100 yard games
There was no precedent for the success that reggie bush had as being an every down back.
It will take time for thomas to learn his new role, but he wasn’t bad if you gave him a lot of touches he also was surpsingly solid out of the backfield
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by Gamer2102 on Jan 14, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, he wasnt surprisingly anything
He was bad from both a YPC & short yardage perspective. He didnt even punch it in on the goaline when given numerous opportunities. He showed lack of burst. Thomas was a very big disapointment. You’re assessment of the situation is flawed, and the numbers are there to prove it.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
no we didn't
we didn’t have a second rounder we traded like a 5th and a 7th to move from the 3rd round to the second round
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That's true
I stand corrected
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Ummm.... not every team had a new Offensive Coordinator.
I don’t think your posts are very well thought out, Mike.
Look at the 49ers
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully we will have similar success next year with a new HC!
And hopefully a new Franchise QB!
Just get us a new division like the niners have and we'll be just like them!
Niners are going to get WASTED by the Saints. They aren’t as good as everyone says, and they will take a step or two back next year….
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Not a fair assertion.
I am sick and tired of the disrespect that the 49ers take in the media for supposedly winning a “weak” division in the NFC West which had three playoff contending teams this season. Not only that but even if the division was as weak as people attempt to make it out to be the 49ers played 4 of their 6 division games i n he last 5 weeks of the year. Coming into that stretch the 49ers were 9-2 with their losses having come in Week 2 against the Cowboys at home and Thanksgiving night against the Ravens. Their victories came against Seattle in week 1 followed by Cincy, Philly, Tampa, Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, the New York Giants and Arizona. Of those clubs 3 of them were playoff teams this season. In their last 5 games they lost to a very good Arizona team and played Arizona down to the wire but beat Pittsburgh on Monday Night.
Every game in the NFL is a huge challange and they beat 4 playoff teams this season on their way to a 13-3 record.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Giant game was classic!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt yet!
Chyt; cha aint seen the worst tilo youd seen the least - Henne to Marshall compleat two year descreption!
by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
See Civ, you gotta go bring facts in here and ruin the fun!
I was living in the Bay Area for a while and got real sick of the smug niner bastardos and their shiny new coach who dissed us. Can you see now why I must twist my logic to somehow paint them as ‘flash in the pan’?
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Haha I see.
I hate living in an area where the local population supports another club. It seems that no matter the team obnoxious fans are everywhere. Sorry that you had to live with that. :)
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Growing up in CA. You couldn't find a Niner Fan. After Walsh came in and started winning. Everyone was a niner fan. Made me sick. LOL
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wasted by the Saints? I don't think you were correct on this one.
Official member of "The Luck Fleet"
Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.
by rintintinsoldier on Jan 15, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the Bengals, with Jay Gruden
Look at the 49ers with Jim Harbough
Look at Chud with the Panthers
Those are the facts, don’t use a short offseason as an excuse!
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, so should the Panthers GM be fired for going 6-10?
No you say? I rest my case.
He was rolling with a rookie QB! They went 2-14 last year!
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
So what you are saying...
Is that we have more talent thanks to our superior GM, but they have a better coach? I agree.
by ryan.benker on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sure that is exactly what I'm saying
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well then we'll get a better coach
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Its not a GM's job to coach the team. If you think the team started out 0-7 was due to lack of talent then you are not
paying attention. If you hate him that’s fine and I can even accept made up reasons like “I hate his stupid face” over that poorly thought out argument.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Please tell me Jeff Ireland's credentials on why he should be a GM in this league...
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's your response to your terrible argument?
Nice redirect but why do you ask? Are you unaware of his credentials?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
He has assembled a good group of players,
he is steady, fairly safe so far, no massive splashes but moves all the same. What is it that you want from a GM, other than a franchise QB….etc, because I am sure he wouldn’t turn one of those down?
its as simple as this to me..
i ask myself one question- am i happy with the state of the team and its direction?.. and the answer to that simple yes or no question tells me whether im in support of Ireland.. My answer is yes. we closed the season 6-3, and so many of those losses (specially during 0-7) were within a score, which by end of season we proved we could get, im happy with the personell, i love the roster (just need that franchise qb.;) im glad jeff fisher didnt bring his entourage of new coaches- i like the ones we have, and again as i was last season, am very excited to see them all play next season.. all of which tells me that ultimately, i support what the GM.. but im an optimist
by kabvorka on Jan 13, 2012 9:38 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I love the Dolphins like you guys I'm just being objective about this.
I’m not gonna be homer and just think everything is OK. We haven’t made the playoffs 10 out of 11 years! We have been a mediocre franchise for 11 years.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions
Well the Dolphins were bad before Ireland ever got here
Maybe Ireland’s not the answer, but neither was Jeff Fisher. Right or wrong, I’m glad Ross stuck to his guns and didn’t cave under Fisher’s demands like a wuss.
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No, that does not matter. Ginn was drafted first and sucked and while Ireland was not here then Ireland is here now so he must go. How can you not see that?
It's so obvious Duke!
Its all his fault unless you also want to blame Ross and make the asinine assertion that a self made billionaire is a moron. That is also a very popular option.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of us are objective. No one is giving anyone a pass. What I take exception with is people that will say anything
or accuse someone of things that were either not their responsibility or totally out of their control in order to make your argument because you have decided you do not like the person.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Ireland made the Brandon Marshall trade
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Ireland has been the GM of a team that hasn't made the playoffs for the past three years
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
See my original response to your comment. Your missing the truth of the whole thing and its right there and
so obvious but like many others you have decided to make him the villain in this mess and there is no arguing that sort of misguided logic so I will leave you to it.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
So the General Manager should not be held accountable 7-9, 7-9, 6-10 the past three years?
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
And giving 40 million dollars and two 2nd rounders for a overrated cancer receiver like Brandon Marshall is ok with you?
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I was against Marshall as much as the next guy but the term cancer does not apply here and
you should be ashamed of yourself for making that accusation when he has not shown that to be the truth with this team.
Overrated? Get me a real QB that can hit these guys in stride and where they should be hit and then ask me that question again.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and also he has only had final say for a year so that one you might as well credit to Pacells.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Do some research
Marshall was pouting after the Buffalo (which they won) game when he had one catch for five yards. He was the ONLY player to have a rift with Matt Moore. He has gotten in trouble with police while in Miami if you want to add that in.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
He has gotten in to trouble with the police while in Miami? Is that how you see that incident?
Um ok. I can see your going to now twist the facts but I like that better then making them up.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah getting stabbed by your wife and "forgetting to pay a cab"
That, to me it getting in trouble with police. Even when they interrogated for getting stabbed by his wife he was inconsistent with his story.
He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt after getting involved with police 10+ times in his life since he has been in the NFL
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
well crap... we'll have to get rid of half of the players in the league then
Then we’ll start up the ESFL (Eagle Scout Football League).
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Half the league…
Does not get hit women or get stabbed by women
They also don’t get teammates killed
How many arrests do other elite players have?
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of them get in trouble with the law
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Occupy Joe Robbie
They don;t get arrested 10+ times
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares?
Getting in trouble with the law is getting in trouble with the law.
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Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
Whatever dude, if hitting women and getting a teammate killed doesn't bother you then whatever
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RIP Jim Mandich
by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Well kudos to you if you can find anywhere that I ever said that
I happen to believe that people do bad things and I also believe in forgiveness. I think anything like that in Marshall’s past is terrible, but I am also willing to forgive him of it. If everyone had their pasts held against them, then we’d all be screwed. So if you can’t forgive Marshall, that’s your problem, not mine.
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Captain of the Draft Brian Quick Bandwagon
Captain of the Titan, a warship in the Draft Robert Griffin III Fleet
Occupy Joe Robbie
I don’t tolerate people that hit women and have other people killed because they run their mouth. So yea I do have a problem with it.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Forgiveness
I never said I tolerate it either. But I said that if Marshall can change, then I can forgive him. If you can’t forgive him, then don’t get mad at me because I can.
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you need to look your self and find out the thing that can make you happy
if your this wound up over a another person, you may need to take a break from sports. It is all a game, and everyone on the field id better than any of us. People do dumb things, unless it happened to you personal, I think you can let it go. your holding way to much hate in your heart for one man, that never did anything to you.IJS
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First of all...
The gangbanger with the gun killed Darrent Williams, not Brandon Marshall.
by ryan.benker on Jan 14, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Secondly...
and most important: “He who does not forgive will not be forgiven.”
May want to take note of that one.
Get your facts straight
Brandon Marshall was talking trash to gangbanger Willie Clark and then as Marshall was leaving clark followed him in his vehicle. Clark then shot up his limo in the drive by. But Marshall was not in that limo. Brandon Marshall was the one that was supposed to be killed that night.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
You get your facts straight dude.
i’m growing weary of your blindness. Who pulled the fucking trigger, Brandon Marshall? NO! The fucking gangbanger. So therefore, and inarguably, the gangbanger with the gun killed Darrent Williams.
But hey,
Haters gonna hate. You probably hate Tim Tebow too, the best thing to happen to the NFL in a long freaking time.
Calm down dude
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Tebow is an awesome story
He doesn’t hit women or talk trash to gangbangers
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RIP Jim Mandich
by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
you are so lost , it is sad.
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Bro Barndon has played well here, if he was not here, we would be alot worse!!They would not have to double cover any oneand stack the box
so you would want to Start Hartline, Bess and Gates….hmmm, well no thank you that is well how can I put it……Stupid!!!
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by 21Dave on Jan 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your right
Elite receivers lead the league in drops, drop more touchdowns than they catch, pout on the sidelines after wins (Buffallo game this year), be the only player to have beef with Matt Moore (Per Ben Volin of the PBP), and get arrested outside of football.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
stats are for losers
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Losers that quote stats like these:
“lead the league in drops, drop more touchdowns than they catch”? Yeah, that was you…
Well the head coach has been sacked for that,
presumably on the assumption that he should do better with the players. What do you think?
by sirdolphin on Jan 13, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Ireland did research he would know Marshall was a problem at UCF and Dencver
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Marshall made the freaking Pro Bowl...
Come on, Mike! You are beating a dead horse. Which makes you morally ambiguous in my book. I don’t like dead horse beaters.
hahaha
The pro bowl is the biggest freakin joke dude, it all based on reputation
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Right....
his 81 rec for 1214 yds and 6 TD had NOTHING to do with it. We probably go 2-14 without him this year.
We could go 10-6 if he didn't drop touchdowns
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
He was the most targeted receiver in the league because QB's anted get him involvd
When have the most football thrown to you in the league you obviously will have good stats
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
he was not the most targeted WR in the league,hating on your team, not cool. you can try the Gang Green site , they like to do it alot
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I'm leaving now, because I am about to rip your stupid ass posts , I think your a troll from another site
or a 13 year old kid that has no clue of WTF your talking about. God where is Nicky when you need him. If you want to play on this site thats fine, but do it with some knowledge.
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And?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
a trade for 2 second round picks- BOtH of which he got back...
by kabvorka on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and 40 million dollars of wasted money.
Brandon Marshall is a not a number one receiver.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
he just posted back to back 1000 yrd seasoons, first time to happen here in how long?
he got a good reciever, best weve had in a long time and didnt give much for it.. we can support the cap hit with the way the rest of the roster is built
by kabvorka on Jan 13, 2012 10:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
The money is not the issue here. What do you care? They are under the cap even with that so stop with that
line of rhetoric.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry you dont get football, maybe try Baseball. BMarshall is as about a #1 reciver your going to find. Sure there are a few better
but not a lot. he is on our team you should support him or pick another team if he bothers you that much. Sit back roll one and relax
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by 21Dave on Jan 14, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your right
Elite receivers lead the league in drops
drop more touchdowns than they catch
pout on the sidelines after wins (Buffallo game this year),
be the only player to have beef with Matt Moore (Per Ben Volin of the PBP),
get arrested off the field
He is a NO.2 possession receiver
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RIP Jim Mandich
by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I think you need to understand what a true #1 does. Make plays when needed ,check,
Take one double teams, check, split double teams go across the middle ,check,Come of the line and block like a beast and take his man out of the play, check. Not one other WR on our team can you say does any of that, not one. Why because none of them need to be double teamed. If they did, we would have ran the ball even better this year. Is he a perfect player, nope, But he is the best WR we have had in a long time!!! He is a gamer he want the ball. At that level everything is timing, when you have not been thrown to in ten plays and then it is and your not use to the ball coming to you, it gets in you fast. The only difference between him and the other top guys is,they get thrown to more, and by a lot better QB.
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first line should be take on double teams
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I will say this nice avatar though mikethedolphinsfan
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I see what is going on here Mike...
You hate Brandon Marshall because you think he’s a bad person. So in turn you hate Jeff Ireland because he traded for him.
I’d call that misguided and misdirected anger. Take a deep breath and let it go, bro. Marshall is trying to be the best person he can be, growing like the rest of us. Nobody is perfect.
by ryan.benker on Jan 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ok your right
Number one receivers have bad character and drop touchdowns. He also was POUTING after the Buffalo win. Per Ben Volin of the PBP Marshall had beef with Matt Moore throughout the year. Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson don’t have those problems.
Jeff Ireland has produced only mediocre teams throughout his tenure as GM
Those are the facts
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
what do you want to spend to get a calvin or andre?
or would you rather spend that for a qb and have a marshall
by kabvorka on Jan 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They paid Marshall as the highest paid receiver at the time
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Um no but close.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
What was the problem with Dez Bryant?
He said his old man was a pimp and his mother worked for him. Ireland was probably being a bit sarcastic and a bit of a fuss was made. Who cares?
I think it was probably quite amusing.
I guess I fail to see where the problem with that is myself?
Dez is a little A-Hole. He is not a good guy and is eventually going to cost his current team. Trust me on this. I have first hand knowledge of this guys happenings and eventually it will catch up to him. It always does.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree, all I said was it was dumb for a professional of his stature
to respond with that quesiton. I’m sure he’d tell you the same thing. NOT a big deal, that line was more for humor.
by ryan.benker on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah but I was not responding to you.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know if you'll catch this Tex
But I always wondered if there was a possibility Dez lied about what Ireland said. Ireland would really have no choice but to do what he did (apologize) to make it all go away.
With all the attention that story got I’m amazed that no one thought that Dez could be lying or embellishing a bit. He’s proven himself to be quite dishonest…….
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
I would not put it past him. He lies about everything else.
Hes a bad guy period.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 14, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Alot of football tomorrow and I ahve to watch playbook and all of that in the morning
so Im packing it in. Good night everyone.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I could care less about the Dez question as a single point.
If you take this instance solely as your basis of judging Ireland you are wrong. When you form a opinion of a person you need to judge or rate his process of thinking over a longer term than this one instance. You should start with how Ireland was a person of privilege just like the author has stated unknowingly. LOL. Then start to form the make up of who Ireland is today. He is someone that does not care about what others think. He will always get away with his actions. No one has shown him there are consequences to said actions.
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Look Ireland has opportunities must would dream of. That is the point. Why do you think he was a ball boy for the bears?
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
Let me ask you one question
Jeff Fisher or Jeff Ireland?
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:35 PM EST reply actions
My take?
The word when asked all around the NFL is that Fisher is a top flight coach and no one had a single bad thing to say about him as a coach but…………and here’s the kicker…………….most also said that is as long as you keep him away from personnel decisions.
If the Jeff Fisher that we were going to get is the Jeff Fisher that has final say then he is not the right coach for us. I liked the moves that Ireland made in his one full off season in control and think he has earned the right to retain his position so given what we know I say Jeff Ireland.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't agree
But I respect your opinion
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
LOL I know but thanks.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take Ireland over a Fisher with final say on personnel decisions!
Why you ask? Because Ireland is a better personnel guy than Fisher. Seems like a no-brainer to me. There are plenty of coaches out there that can give us a .500 record and lose a Super Bowl.
I also forgot to point out how Ireland think Fasano is starting caliber tight end
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions
PFF would not only agree with Ireland, they picked Fasano to go to the Pro Bowl in their write ups
Once again, it’s not Fasano’s fault that Henne was a bad QB.
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And how do you know this?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Anthony Fasano has a good grade from PFF for his blocking. He is a perfect compliment to stretch the field type TE.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
They also put him on their Pro Bowl ballot
for being a complete TE.
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No I was asking how you knew that Ireland thought that?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
And for all those complaining about the Dez Bryant situation...
Given his legal issues and overall being a problem, how many of you would have complained about Ireland drafting him because he was a head case?
In short, what exactly is going to make you people happy? Do you expect to win every game with a group of Eagle Scouts?
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What would make me happy about Ireland?
For him to not trade up for a running back with a history of injuries that is not a special enough talent to be worth trading up for.
For him to do what it takes to get the Dolphins a franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. But he has not shown one single thing to give me even the slightest shred of faith that he will do this. Come draft day, I fully expect him to take an OG or to trade back and bypass a bunch of playmakers to take yet another DE with a “good motor”.
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by Chupathingy on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think you are wrong about OG as our pick. I see Devon Still as our pick. SMH. I hope this does not happen.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Wait you are right. I didn't see trade back. LOL
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
so in the slightest chance that he does get that qb, you'll change your tune?
your waitin for the same thing a lot of us are.. but besides that, gotta like what hes done with the place
by kabvorka on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
He might do that...
but my point was that anything he does will get picked apart and griped at. If he trades up for a QB, people will complain that we spent too much and shouldn’t have traded away picks. If he stays put and drafts the BPA, someone will complain about that.
My point was that nothing will make fans happy and someone is going to complain about something regardless. Nothing is good enough for Dolphins fans.
I can’t believe that people are getting so worked up because Ross didn’t want to give Jeff Fisher whatever he wanted. I never wanted Fisher to begin with. And it seemed that most fans didn’t care until the “wait and see” saga began and now people are getting pissed because he didn’t choose us.
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That's what fans do: Gripe, Bitch, and Moan
Especially with a team that has made 1 playoff appearance in a decade.
Especially with a team that has 3 straight losing seasons.
Especially with a team that had a stretch of losing 11 of 12 home games.
Especially with a team that lost 10 straight games.
Especially with a team that hasn’t had a franchise QB since Marino.
I honestly don’t understand why more fans aren’t bitching more. I don’t understand why losing out on the best HCing candidate available is seen as OK.
I guess some of us have higher expectations than others.
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that's true... but that's not all Ireland's fault
Dolphins fans have become so good at griping, they fail to look at any positive. Jeff Fisher didn’t want to coach here. “OH NOES! THE SKY IS FALLING!” Half of the fan base didn’t want him anyway! But because we didn’t give him what he wanted, people freak out.
Lest they forget that FISHER WANTED IRELAND TO BE HIS GM ANYWAY!!! Fisher wasn’t going to take total control. Ireland was going to be here making decisions whether Fisher was here or not. Except maybe now we can get a HC who might know a thing or two about developing a QB and have a gameplan that doesn’t involve fist pumps for FGs.
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Read this
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/13/irelands-role-ultimately-sent-fisher-to-st-louis/
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
So if I read this right...
Stephen Ross, the owner of the team, the guy who controls ALL OF IT, the guys who signs all the checks, says that he wants Ireland to be his GM and wasn’t willing to give up on his GM?
How does that article refute anything I’ve said? In fact, it actually supports it. Ross didn’t want to give Fisher control, he wanted Ireland to have it. Fisher said no, and left.
What that article doesn’t say is that Jeff Fisher wanted to work with Ireland and would have signed Ireland to be his GM in STL if he was available. That’s per Adam Schefter, a little more credible than Michael Silver.
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Shefter is way better than Silver
I’m just pointing out that Ireland having full control could have been one of the factors why Fisher didn’t come here. That is all.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
But that was Ross's call
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I understand but when you said
“FISHER WANTED IRELAND TO BE HIS GM ANYWAY!!!”
That report directly refutes that. It may be right or wrong. I am not an insider I have no clue. I’m just pointing it out
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Fisher did want Ireland to be his GM
Schefter reported that yesterday in a radio interview. Fisher wanted to have some control, but Ireland would still have been the GM regardless. The hang up was that Ross wasn’t willing to hamstring Ireland to get Fisher. Ross wanted Ireland to have full control and that’s why Fisher left.
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So Maybe Fisher will try and hire Ireland to be GM for him in STL. Let's wait for it.
Fisher seems to be a PC guy. He likes Ireland. He just does not want to work for him or let Ireland have final say. Make a lot of sense.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
It may not be all Ireland's fault, but he is the ONLY one left from the regime that put the organization in this position.
Until this organization starts fresh, Ireland will continue to get most of the blame and rightly so. Ireland is in a position where he can’t win, IMO. If the Phins turn this around and start winning, the new HC will most likely get the credit. If the Phins continue to lose, Ireland will most likely get the blame. If the Phins draft a franchise QB, the HC and OC will probably get the credit (do you think Chud is a viable candidate to be a HC if it weren’t for Cam Newton?). Yet if that drafted QB is a bust, Ireland will get the blame even if his intentions are correct.
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Fisher's choice is part of the equation.
It’s like when people want a particular free agent signing and they seem to ignore the fact that there are 31 other teams. In fact, the way people often approach these things would suggest they would like Dan Snyder to be involved.
Everyone wants the same thing, has the high expectations, but the debate is how to achieve them.
Stability is usually the key, anf who knows where the quarterback will come from? Top of this draft seems improbable but wait for the complaints if we don’t trade up for one/him.
Mst likely this is the way i also see it. if we sumhow dont get a frickin QB at all throw the effing draft.
Plus after the draft if we do not sign, err bringin “the kid” from Boise State, (Moore) I’ll also be pissed!
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
If Ireland trades our entire draft to move up and get our franchise qb, I can promise you that I will not complain.
We have enough talent on the team to be playoff contenders with a good qb. So as long as he’s not trading everything away for a guy who is 6th round talent I’ll be ok with it.
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by Chupathingy on Jan 13, 2012 11:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I won't complain either, but there will be someone who will
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See Duke no matter what happens someone will complain.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well Said Chupa. Rec'd
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Dude Thomas is a beast.
Give him a full offseason he will show you
......and the rats devour each other as the ship goes down......
Speaking of Eagle Scouts. Where is Matt Roth?
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I will end with this point
This franchise has gone 7-9, 7-9, 6-10….Mediocre with Ireland as GM
You guys need to look at things objectively and not be homers
We are now the Lions, this franchise is a joke, no playoffs in 10 of the past 11 years
I’m pissed and so should all of you
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions
You guys need to look at things objectively and not be homers
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops!
You guys need to look at things objectively and not be homers
We are and I would say the same to you.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just a pissed off passionate dolphins fan. that is all.
Non of this is personal and I’m not trying to offend anyone.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:47 PM EST reply actions
You're cool, you're not offending anyone
We’ve heard worse. LOL
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I know. Your foul language rants would make a Marine blush........
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by texascowpunk on Jan 14, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Its no big deal dude. None of it is personal.
*not to self, no longer necessary to kill Mike………….
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by texascowpunk on Jan 14, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ok good haha
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST reply actions
The trifecta arrived with the same mentality and failed
Why would Ireland be pardoned for 3 losing seasons and all the blame placed on the 2 that were made scapegoats? True, Parcells bailed but to think he made every decision while here is ridiculous, afterall he wasn’t the interviewer of Bryant. Ireland had a chance to get Mallet, he didn’t. TBH, we have became the land of 2nd chances for Cowboys cast aways. A GM’s job is to supply the coach with every means to succeed. Looking back at last year’s promises and our current roster, have Ireland done that? If yes, he stays, if no, then why fire the coach and retain the GM.
Get the best man to clear every hurdle that stand in the Dolphins way, go RG3.
RG3, the new Transformer of the future.
by fin4three5yrs on Jan 14, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Well Said!! Rec'd
Why would Ireland be pardoned for 3 losing seasons and all the blame placed on the 2 that were made scapegoats?
This is exactly what I am trying to figure out.
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This has turned out to be a great thread.
And a great debate.
I think I’m still on the Ireland bandwagon. He has made me excited over the last couple of years with acquiring Marshall, Dansby, and Bush. I think him sticking with Henne wasn’t a bad decision considering the price it toke to get Orton or Palmer. I feel like the Fins have made a a minor splash the last couple of years, and I would love to see them make a big splash and acquire RG3 to complete this exciting roster and find a coach who can when us games and get us back to the playoffs consistently.
Schefter and Mort reported on ESPN that Fisher was very impressed w/ Ireland.
and then they brought up the potential case of phins trading with the rams for that #2 pick.
by thanksboo on Jan 14, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe they mentioned to him the only thing they needed was a QB...
They mentioned what we would be willing to give up to get that QB… and he decided he would rather take that deal and rebuild St Louis… If we do get that QB it will matter a lot less who our head coach is anyway…
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 14, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take that deal if I was the Rams...the 9th pick they could still get a great OL
so we swap 1st round picks….what else do we have to give up?
You know... Adam Shefter reported that
He liked Jeff Ireland so much he would hire him as GM if he could… Could we trade our 1st pick and Ireland for their 1st?
We had [Brady] down… but we didn’t kick him. We helped him up and gave him a PowerPuff Girls band-aid for his knee. What exactly did you expect would happen when we did that?
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
Thats a deal I can get behind
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 14, 2012 1:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ha t's!
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by wild zion beaver on Jan 14, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I like your thinking Jason.
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by FinFanFromCA on Jan 14, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
***ATTENTION MIKE***
Please read said comment above! But hey, maybe you know more than Jeff Fisher.
If he liked Ireland so much, why didn't he take this job
It was a leverage play in my eyes. Look at the PFT report. It could be true, it could be false
I have no idea
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
why didn’t he take this job
You like to use these “sources” to make your points when the support the argument that you are attempting to make. Now ALL of the sources are saying it was not Ireland and that he in fact loved him but you wish to discount that because not it does not support your argument? Hmmmm
Well at least we now know what we are dealing with.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 14, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
It's entirely possible
to like someone while disagreeing with them on professional matters. Ireland wanted x, Fisher wanted y. If x and y cannot coexist, then the best thing for both is to move on. It doesn’t imply dislike, disrespect, or anything of the sort.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
BTW
I really don’t appreciate the personal attacks. I’m trying to be respectful.
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by mikethedolphinsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
If you honestly consider that a personal attack then flag it but honestly I see it as more him calling you out with
a bit of sarcasm. Relax wild man!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 14, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
seems to me that you are the one that was making snide remarks to anyone who was disagreeing with you.. and no one here has been attacking you they have been debating with you.. you are trying to prove your point they are countering your points with ones of thier own.. a personally ataack is if they called out your family.. or sad nastying things about you or your mom.. our called you fouls names.. and none of that has happened.. i think you need to relaxe and understand that this is not personal at all. this is what debating is all about.
so take a deep breath son release those emotions in a more constructive way.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
as my great grand pappy use to say: the only thing you should be insecure about is if your depends wont hold all of last nights dinner.
Lol I had that thought also....
I was hoping that since Fisher liked him so much he would be willing to work with him as a trade partner.
k everyone whining and complaining about ireland i think he isnt as bad as everyone makes him out, def not the best but i dont mind giving him an extra draft to see what we can do, the team has a lot of talent and we just a couple pieces away from powerhouse or contender status, this team is not in shambles so obviously if we are so close to being so good the gm cant be that bad cause he is responsible for bringing in the players, i think more blame goes to sporano he wasnt ever a good coach no killer instinct thats not irelands fault that tony misuses timeouts and wasnt very good at picking the right time to take a chance, he never took a chance how many times we were up 6 pts or 9 pts or 13pts and lose in the 4th quarter? it was a constant thing with tony he wasnt a very good coach but a great guy ill say, this team has talent and its mainy due to Ireland and parcells, we are not in that bad shape and he did solid in last years draft so people please calm down we need to draft a rt this year and ball hawk saftey build the lb’s and hopefully get out qb next year, moore can be serviceable for now. we’ll be straight, for the record 6 winning seasons out of 16 is awful i’m so happy fischer went to st louis
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 14, 2012 7:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I refused to read it so just imagine there is a dog mowing a lawn right here.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 14, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
in a nut shell in support of our gm ;op.. gheese always got to dumb it… i mean simple..umm welll umm rephrash it.. ya thats it .. for the slower…umm/.. i mean.. less smart…umm wellfolsk who cant read wall-oh text…evil grin
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
as my great grand pappy use to say: the only thing you should be insecure about is if your depends wont hold all of last nights dinner.
I actually might agree with him but I still refuse to read that........
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