Miami Dolphins Draft History Since 2008 - Part 2 (AFC East Comparison)
by Kevin Nogle on Sep 9, 2011 5:00 AM EDT
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A few days ago, we looked at the Miami Dolphins draft picks since 2008, going name by name through all 32 picks of theTony Sparano and Jeff Ireland (and Bill Parcells) era. As it worked out, the Dolphins still hold 65% of their draft picks, and 31% of their picks are starters for the team.
[Update - If you remember from the last post, Miami was at 62% - I went back and included Frank Kearse, as I counted all the Practice Squad personnel from the other AFC East teams - so Miami moved to 21 kept draft picks out of 32 picks.]
Which brought up the question. How does that compare to the AFC East? How have the drafts of the Buffalo Bills, New England Patriots, and New York Jets been, when compared to the Dolphins?
Well, today, we are going to look at just that.
I will list every draft pick from each of the other three teams in the AFC East. Every player still on the team will be placed in bold font. Every player's contributions to the team that drafted them will be listed (i.e., the Jets drafted Nate Garner in the seventh round of 2008 - he has no appearances with the Jets, so he gets no appearances on the chart, even though he as 16 appearances and 8 starts in Miami). Then, I will add up every player a team has that they originally drafted between 2008 and now, and the number of those players who are starters. Then, I will calculate the percentage of each of those totals against the total number of picks the team had.
During the 2008-2011 timefame, the Buffalo Bills have made 36 selections. Every one of those picks is listed below:
| 2008 | 2010 | |||||
| Round | Name | Remarks | Round | Name | Remarks | |
| 1 | Leodis McKelvin (CB) | Starter; 35 Appearances, 22 starts; 4 interceptions, 17 passes defensed | 1 | C.J. Spiller (RB) | 2nd String RB; 14 appearances, 1 start, 74 rushes, 283 yards, 24 receptions, 157 yards, 1 touchdown, 1 KOR TD | |
| 2 | James Hardy (WR) | Buffalo 2008-2010, Baltimore 2011; 16 appearances, 3 starts, 10 receptions, 96 yards, 2 touchdowns with Buffalo | 2 | Torell Troup (DT) | 2nd String NT; 15 appearances, 2 starts, 2 passes defensed, 23 tackles | |
| 3 | Chris Ellis (DE) | Buffalo 2008-2010, Pittsburgh 2010-2011, Currently a Free Agent; 15 appearances, 1 start, 11 tackles with Buffalo | 3 | Alex Carrington (DE) | 2nd String SLB; 9 appearances, 1 sack, 1 pass defensed, 8 tackles | |
| 4 | Reggie Corner (CB) | Buffalo 2008-2010, Currently Free Agent; 44 appearances, 12 starts, 1 interception, 18 passes defensed, 85 tackles | 4 | Marcus Easley (WR) | #5 WR; Spent 2010 on IR | |
| 4 | Derek Fine (TE) | Buffalo 2008-2009, St. Louis 2010, Houston 2010, Currently Free Agent; 18 apearances, 11 starts, 19 receptions, 158 yards, 1 touchdown with Buffalo | 5 | Ed Wang (OT) | Buffalo 2010, Current Free Agent; 6 appearances | |
| 5 | Alvin Bowen (LB) | Buffalo 2008-2009, Washington 2009, Seattle 2010, Jacksonville 2010, Denver 2011; 0 appearances with Buffalo | 6 | Arthur Moats (LB) | 2nd String WLB; 15 appearances, 2 starts, 2.5 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 1 forced fumble, 25 tackles | |
| 6 | Xavier Omon (RB) | Buffalo 2008-2009, Seattle 2009-2010, NY Jets 2010, San Francisco 2010-2011; 7 appearances, 11 carries, 27 yards with Buffalo | 6 | Danny Batten (DE) | 2nd String ILB; Spent 2010 on IR | |
| 7 | Demetrius Bell (OT) | Starter LT; 24 appearances, 24 starts | 7 | Levi Brown (QB) | Bills Practice Squad; 1 appearance, 1 interceptions, 24 passing yards | |
| 7 | Steve Johnson (WR) | Starter; 32 appearances, 14 starts, 94 receptions, 1185 yards (82 and 1073 last season), 12 touchdowns (10 last year) | 7 | Kyle Calloway (OT) | Buffalo 2010, Hartford (UFL) 2011, Baltimore 2011 | |
| 7 | Kennard Cox (CB) | Buffalo 2008, Green Bay 2008, Jacksonville 2008-2009, Seattle 2010-2011; released during Buffalo's training camp | ||||
| 2009 | 2011 | |||||
| Round | Name | Remarks | Round | Name | Remarks | |
| 1 | Aaron Maybin (DE) | Buffalo 2009-2010; NY Jets 2011; 26 appearances, 1 start, 23 tackles, 1 forced fumble | 1 | Marcell Dareus (DT) | Starting LDE | |
| 1 | Eric Wood (C) | Starter; Appeared in 24 games (24 starts) at RG in 2009-2010 | 2 | Aaron Williams (DB) | 2nd String LCB | |
| 2 | Jairus Byrd (DB) | Starter at FS; 2009 Pro Bowl, League Leader INT (9); 30 appearances, 25 starts, 1 sack, 10 INT, 1 touchdown, 130 tackles | 3 | Kelvin Sheppard (LB) | 3rd String MLB | |
| 2 | Andy Levitre (G) | Starter at LG; 32 appearances (32 starts) | 4 | Da'Norris Searcy (DB) | 3rd String SS | |
| 4 | Shawn Nelson (TE) | Buffalo 2009-2011, Currently Free Agent; 17 appearances, 13 starts, 20 receptions, 181 yards, 1 touchdown | 4 | Chris Hairston (OL) | 2nd String RT | |
| 5 | Nic Harris (LB) | Buffalo 2009, Carolina 2010-2011, Currently Free Agent; | 5 | Johnny White (RB) | 3rd String RB | |
| 6 | Cary Harris (CB) | Buffalo 2009-2010, Minnesota 2010, Cincinnati 2010, NY Giants 2011, Current Free Agent; Appeared in 6 games, 1 start, 2 INTs, 2 tackles with Buffalo | 6 | Chris White (LB) | 3rd String WLB | |
| 7 | Ellis Lankster (CB) | Buffalo 2009, Hamilton (CFL) 2010, NY Jets 2011; 10 appearances, 1 pass defensed with Buffalo | 7 | Justin Rogers (DB) | 3rd String LCB | |
| 7 | Michael Jasper (DT) | Practice Squad |
That gives the Bills 36 selections, of which 22 are still with the team (although 9 of those are this year's draft class) - or 61% of their picks remain with the team. They also seem to be very big on adding depth, but not starters, through the draft, with only 7 draft picks being starters (19%). Six of those seven starters are from the 2008 or 2009 draft (Marcell Dareus from this draft being the only starter from the last two years).
The New England Patriots, who always seem to have a million draft choices every year are listed next:
| 2008 | 2010 | |||||
| Round | Name | Remarks | Round | Name | Remarks | |
| 1 | Jerod Mayo (LB) | Starter at ILB; 45 appearances, 44 starts, 3.5 sacks, 9 passes defensed, 3 forced fumbles, 404 tackles | 1 | Devin McCourty (DB) | Starting LCB; Pro Bowl 2010; 16 appearances, 16 starts, 7 INTs, 2 forced fumbles, 73 tackles | |
| 2 | Terrence Wheatley (DB) | New England 2008-2009, Jacksonville 2010-2011; 11 appearances, 1 start, 2 passes defensed, 3 tackles with New England | 2 | Rob Gronkowski (TE) | Starting TE; 16 appearances, 11 starts, 42 receptions, 546 yards, 10 touchdowns | |
| 3 | Shawn Crable (LB) | New England 2008-2010, NY Jets 2010, Sacramento (UFL) 2011; 6 appearances, 0.5 sacks, 4 tackles with New England | 2 | Jermaine Cunningham (LB) | Starting OLB; 15 appearances, 11 starts, 1 sack, 1 pass defensed, 2 forced fumbles, 34 tackles | |
| 3 | Kevin O'Connell (QB) | New England 2008, Detroit 2009, NY Jets 2009-2010, Miami 2011, NY Jets, 2011; 2 appearances, 4 completions, 23 yards | 2 | Brandon Spikes (LB) | Starting ILB; 12 appearances, 8 starts, 1 interception, 3 passes defensed, 59 tackles | |
| 4 | Jonathan Wilhite (DB) | New England 2008-2010, Denver 2011; 39 appearances, 13 starts, 3 interceptions, 9 passes defensed, 88 tackles | 3 | Taylor Price (WR) | #6 WR; 1 appearance, 3 receptions, 41 yards | |
| 5 | Matt Slater (WR) | #5 WR; 43 appearances on special teams, 14 appearances at WR, 1 rush, 6 yards | 4 | Aaron Hernandez (TE) | 2nd String TE; 14 appearances, 7 starts, 45 receptions, 563 yards, 6 touchdowns, 3 rushes, 47 yards | |
| 6 | Bo Ruud (LB) | New England 2008, Cleveland 2009, Tampa Bay 2009, Florida (UFL) 2010, Current Free Agent; Spent 2008 on IR | 5 | Zoltan Mesko (P) | Starting P; 16 appearances, 43.2 yards per punt average | |
| 6 | Ted Larsen (C) | New England 2010, Tampa Bay 2010 | ||||
| 2009 | 7 | Thomas Welch (OT) | New England 2010, Minnesota 2010, New England 2010; Waived in 2010, Signed to Practice Squad 2011 | |||
| Round | Name | Remarks | 7 | Brandon Deaderick (DE) | PUP; 10 appearances, 4 starts, 2 sacks, 10 tackles | |
| 2 | Patrick Chung (DB) | Starting FS; 30 appearances, 14 starts, 2 sacks, 4 INT, 1 touchdown, 1 forced fumble, 120 tackles | 7 | Kade Weston (DT) | New England 2010, Current Free Agent; IR in 2010 | |
| 2 | Ron Brace (DT) | PUP; 22 appearances, 7 starts, 31 tackles; Placed on IR in Jan. 2011 | 7 | Zac Robinson (QB) | New England 2010, Seattle 2010, Detroit 2010, Cincinnati 2011; | |
| 2 | Darius Butler (DB) | New England 2009-2010, Carolina 2011; 29 appearances, 8 starts, 3 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 14 passes defensed, 58 tackles | ||||
| 2 | Sebastian Vollmer (OT) | Starting RT; 30 appearances, 24 starts | 2011 | |||
| 3 | Brandon Tate (WR) | New England 2009-2010, Cincinnati 2001; 18 appearances, 11 starts, 24 receptions, 432 yards, 3 touchdowns, 6 rushes, 73 yards | Round | Name | Remarks | |
| 3 | Tyrone McKenzie (LB) | New England 2009-2010, Tampa Bay 2010, Current Free Agent; 2009 spent on IR, Practice Squad for NE in 2010 | 1 | Nate Solder (OL) | 2nd String RT | |
| 4 | Rich Ohrnberger (G) | IR; 5 appearances | 2 | Ras-I Dowling (DB) | 3rd String LCB | |
| 5 | George Bussey (OT) | New England 2009-2010, Tampa Bay (AFL) 2011; IR for 2009 and 2010 | 2 | Shane Vereen (RB) | 4th String RB | |
| 6 | Jake Ingram (LS) | New England 2009-2010, New Orleans 2010, Tennessee 2011, Jacksonville 2011; 24 appearances with NE | 3 | Stevan Ridley (RB) | 3rd String RB | |
| 6 | Myron Pryor (DT) | 2nd String NT; 22 appearances, 2 starts, 0.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 33 tackles | 3 | Ryan Mallett (QB) | 3rd String QB | |
| 7 | Julian Edelman (WR) | #3 WR; 26 appearances, 10 starts, 44 receptions, 445 yards, 1 touchdown, 4 rushes, 19 yards | 5 | Marcus Cannon (OL) | PUP | |
| 7 | Darryl Richard (DT) | New England 2009-2010, Current Free Agent; Practice Squad 2009, IR 2010 | 5 | Lee Smith (TE) | New England 2011, Buffalo 2011 | |
| 6 | Markell Carter (LB) | Practice Squad | ||||
| 7 | Malcolm Williams (DB) | New England 2011, Currently Free Agent |
Over the past four years, the Patriots have had 40 draft picks. Of those, 23 are still with the team, and 8 are first string guys. That comes out to 57.5% still on the roster, and just 20% starters.
And, now, the New York Jets:
| 2008 | 2010 | |||||
| Round | Name | Remarks | Round | Name | Remarks | |
| 1 | Vernon Gholston (DE) | NY Jets 2008-2010, Chicago 2011, Current Free Agent; 45 appearances, 5 starts 34 tackles as Jet | 1 | Kyle Wilson (DB) | 2nd String CB; 16 appearances, 6 starts, 5 passes defensed, 16 tackles, 15 punt returns, 111 yards, 2 kick returns, 22 yards | |
| 1 | Dustin Keller (TE) | Starter; 48 appearances, 32 starts, 148 receptions, 1744 yards, 10 touchdowns, 1 rush, 7 yards | 2 | Vladimir Ducassee (OT) | 2nd String RT; 2 appearances | |
| 4 | Dwight Lowery (DB) | NY Jets 2008-2010, Jacksonville 2011; 43 appearances, 18 starts, 2 sacks, 7 interceptions, 2 touchdowns, 5 forced fumbles, 105 tackles | 4 | Joe McKnight (RB) | 3rd String; 9 appearances, 1 start, 39 rushes, 189 yards, 3 receptions, 20 yards, 2 punt returns 43 yards, 3 kick returns, 60 yards | |
| 5 | Erik Ainge (QB) | NY Jets 2008-2010; No appearances | 5 | John Conner (FB) | Starter; 16 appearances, 8 rushes, 44 yards, 1 touchdown, 2 receptions, 9 yards,3 kick returns, 35 yards | |
| 6 | Marcus Henry (WR) | NY Jets 2008-2009, Carolina 2010, Edmonton (CFL) 2011; No appearances with Jets | ||||
| 7 | Nate Garner (OT) | NY Jets 2008, Miami 2009-2011; No appearances with Jets | 2011 | |||
| Round | Name | Remarks | ||||
| 2009 | 1 | Muhammad Wilkerson (DT) | Starting at DE | |||
| 1 | Mark Sanchez (QB) | Starter; 31 appearances, 31 starts, 474 completions, 5735 yards, 29 touchdowns, 33 interceptions, 54.4 completion percentage, 70.2 passer rating, 1 GQ Cover | 3 | Kenrick Ellis (DL) | 2nd String NT | |
| 3 | Shonn Greene (RB) | Starter; 29 appearances, 2 starts, 292 carries, 1306 yards, 4 touchdowns, 16 receptions, 120 yards | 4 | Bilal Powell (RB) | 4th string | |
| 6 | Matt Slauson (G) | Starting LG; 19 appearances, 16 starts | 5 | Jeremy Kerley (WR) | #4 WR | |
| 7 | Greg McElroy (QB) | Placed on IR | ||||
| 7 | Scotty McKnight (WR) | Waived |
The Jets have made just 19 picks since 2008, with 12 of those picks still with the team (6 of those picks were from this year, and 5 of the players still on the team come from this draft class). New York has kept 63% of their picks (53% if you discount the disproportionate 2011 draft), and have gained 5 starters out of this group (27.5%).
Overall, the AFC East breaks down like this for the percentage of draft picks kept:
| Rank | Team | Percentage |
| 1 | Miami Dolphins | 65% |
| 2 | New York Jets | 63% |
| 3 | Buffalo Bills | 61% |
| 4 | New England Patriots | 57.5% |
And, when ranked by percentage of draft picks starting for their team:
| Rank | Team | Percentage |
| 1 | Miami Dolphins | 31% |
| 2 | New York Jets | 27.5% |
| 3 | New England Patriots | 20% |
| 4 | Buffalo Bills | 19% |
As much as we despise what the "Trifecta" and the Ireland/Sparano dup have done with the draft picks of the Dolphins, when you step back and look at it compared to the other teams in the AFC East, Miami actually drafts really well. Surprisingly, the Patriots do not keep their draft picks at a rate much lower than even the Bills. When it comes to starters, no one is even close to the Dolphins.
It really appears the Miami front office actually knows what they are doing when they draft, and they do a great job of keeping talent. Do some get away, sure, and A.J. Edds, whose release started this whole post, may be one of those. But, overall, the Dolphins top the AFC East both in draft picks retained, and draft picks starting with their team in 2011.
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good job, i can see alot of work went into this one
i wish we had kept edds. He played well all preseason, and new england obviously saw that because the scooped him up right away. Is it a sign that fo is crazy, or that we are so stacked on defense that we could afford to let him go?
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I’m always impressed by the quality of SB Nation blogs as opposed to the so called paid professionals out there. This was a great view of the AFC East drafts. Kudos.
by OldJetsFanatic on Sep 9, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome post
I wonder how long it took you to figure all of this out lol I guess our FO gets a little too much hate from the fans but I guess that’s a growing theme around the league.
fans go crazy whenever dolphins pick a guy that dont work out
Every team make bad picks. Pats make a lot of bad pick but they draft so many players it hard to tell
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by biggaandbadda on Sep 9, 2011 5:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
everybody going crazy over the fact we release erick walden
He was here when we had JT Wake and Porter. He sucks on special team so the team let him
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by biggaandbadda on Sep 9, 2011 5:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great research MDF
I can only imagine the coffee and Red Bull consumed to get you through this one.
Actually, the Phins haven’t drafted badly, just differently than I wouldda. Which underscores the reason they manage the draft and I sit here reading a football blog.
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I am a big fan of the set up in Miami,
and I think they have drafted very well. There are other factors to consider here though. It was harder to make the Patriots 53 three years ago than Miami’s due to a big difference in talent. The Patriots often trade back and acquire picks, which makes their percentage less likely to be high, and the Jets have often had many fewer picks, and fewer in the lower rounds, making their percentage more likely to be skewed higher.
I do agree with your point though…
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couldnt you argue that we still draft bad and the fact that we have more draft picks still with the team is a bad thing?
I'd say that would be true if we had a record more like the Bills
But with a top 5 defense we do have SOME solid talent, we’ve drafted well and it shows on the field….
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by Red Dog on Sep 9, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Wouldn’t the better question be, shouldn’t it be easier to make the dolphins than the pats? I mean we haven’t been as good as them for many years. Wouldn’t you think the threshold would be lower?
Not necessarily
Miami is deeper at some positions than New England. Look at DE as an example. A DE in Miami may have a harder time making the roster than if they were in NE.
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There is a phrase by Charles Dickens `There are lies, damn lies and statistics` and the detailed work done in this piece shows that to be true……! Firstly it takes no account of what was on each roster prior to 2008 draft. So if you have a good roster (NE) you don`t replace that many of the pieces, if you have a bad roster (1-15 phins) you will replace and keep more so the stats will be higher.
What is of more relevance is how good the 31 players are in terms of their production and what could we have as as alternatives? Production says we are about an 8-8 team, alternatives- Jake Long v Matt Ryan, Vonte Davis v Clay Mathews, Jared Oderick v Javid Best. Not only could these be considered to be an upgrade production wise, but the knock on effect would have been no Chad Henne, no Pat White, no Koa Misi, no Daniel Thomas- thats 4 second rounders to use elsewhere= dwell on these issues and then decide whether the draft has been good, bad or ugly to paraphrase a film
by Christopher Weetman on Sep 9, 2011 6:52 AM EDT reply actions
If you want to play that game
The purpose of the draft is to improve your team.
The 2008 draft helped transform a 1-15 team into a 11-5 division champ. Ero it was one of the best drafts in NFL history.
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At the same time, there is pretty quick turnover in NFL
Sure, their team was more established, but they lose guys to FA at a good rate (it seems). They seem very reliant on the draft and a good measuring stick IMO……………..
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Great job on article
Great work. Could the low percentage with Patriots be from the amount of talent on the team? When the tri-fecta took over, we had nothing. Were as the patriots were already one of the best teams, with lots of depth (man, it hurts to say that). It does show that we don’t do as bad as we might think sometimes. Our biggest problem is that over that last while(10 years or so ) we have had so many coaching/GM changes, that we have had no one in charge to develop the talent we have and stop the constant turnover of players so that people can get “our guy” At least with Tony and Jeff have stuck with there Idea and not panic. Quick predict; 11-5 with AFC wild card, lose to Greenbay in Superbowl.
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by Northern Fin Fan on Sep 9, 2011 7:01 AM EDT reply actions
If its just a dream...
couldn’t we at least beat the Pack??
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by Northern Fin Fan on Sep 10, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
great work mos,one thing to concider about the numbers
even though we kept 22 of 32 simply means that they are better players than the guys they replaced, doesnt mean they are studs, just better than the last guy. kinda makes me wonder where we got the other guys from, FA or drafted by the same FO.
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Thank God someone spotted my quotation mistake…..now let the debate roll!! Of course 1-15 to 11-5 is great- but…..there were lots of other pieces that helped (trades FA etc) The bottom line is they have turned a cr*p team into an average team…yet we all crave success……and I would argue some of their draft choices have held us back because of their conservative nature
by Christopher Weetman on Sep 9, 2011 7:12 AM EDT reply actions
you can also consider the fact that from 1-15
A group that inherits this kinda team has to build a team from the foundation up.
This FO has done just that.
You talk of all the trades that went into making that 11-5 team,you also have to remember there were several factors that went into the season,and most of the people that we traded for were stop gaps and are no longer on the team.
To play devils advocate here,sure some starters atm are simply mediocre. But also not that view is skewwed in the fact that people havent even came to the full maturation of the transition into the nfl.
Its really hard to judge a player 1-3 years into the league because u simply dont know what your getting until the transition takes hold.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Sep 9, 2011 8:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To take it a step farther
We’ll know more in a year or two (if TS is still here I hope), because we are going to have a challenge trying to keep some of these draft picks if they really blossom this year like we want them too. Our secondary alone is very young, if VD and SS get stolen in FA, we’ll really find out how good our drafting is………
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Yeah but from what it looks like Jake Long is on his way to the HoF
Matt Ryan not so much.
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by Redeyedbandit on Sep 9, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't so much how they draft.
I care that they win.
Mosul, you must be workin’ your dinkus off!
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
well, historically speaking good teams keep less players
Because it’s harder to make the squad. It is commendable that Ireland and Co. have managed to fill so many holes through the draft, but we shouldn’t forget how many holes there were to fill when they got here.
The more relevant area of the chart is how well the picks that make it actually perform, rather than just total that stay.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Sep 9, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
As much as we despise???????.....
Why do people despise the triFecta?
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I want to say because they're idiots...
But I think the Parcells part of the trifecta got people to despise. He’s a pretty arrogant guy, so I can understand. He did his part, for that I’m thankful, but I’m glad he moved on….
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Great Post
Love the level of detail you’re bringing to these discussions. I think that this is proof that the draft is a gamble…plain and simple. There’s a lot of ‘we should have taken that guy’…but you know, every team can say the same thing. And I won’t ask you to do the same study on all of the other teams! :)
It does raise the curious question though as others have pointed out above…why do we have more draft picks as starters? I think that’s an interesting, yet complicating discussion to have. What about the effects of free-agent signings…some teams pick up free agents rather than promote from within. Some teams are cost-driven to build cheaply through the draft. And of course some teams are in between. Injuries play a large part as well…a depleted squad will make starters out of who’s left…and it’s not necessarliy based on merit per se. Obviously you have to be good enough to make the team…but sometimes it takes more luck than mamagement to land a starting role.
Keep up the good work Mosul! And let’s hope for some sparks to fly on Monday night!
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Great post
Great post and very informative. IMO, it is good to find starters in the draft, however the knock has been the “stars” we have had the chance to get and passed on for a more conservative player. Even in FA, we have blown it. ( Brees for example). So while it is still considered a successful draft to find starters, it is the fact that we have skipped over so many stars that draws criticism. Nobody can tell the future, but sooner or later we have to hit a homerun. No disrespect to Big Jake, but I’m referring to skill positions.
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by wild zion beaver on Sep 9, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Mosul I can't believe you left out the most important stat:
GQ Covers
Jets: 2
Rest of NFL: 0
Clearly the best team in the NFL. Stats show it and you seem to ignore it. Put your homerism to the side for a second.
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Great write up
I’ve never bought into the Belicheat myth of drafting. If you really look back he has only had a few drafts that have produced. From a business perspective (ie. stockpiling draft picks) they do well, but ultimately the draft should be used to immediately improve your team, not get the most draft picks next year that never materialize to talent.
If you go back before these drafts, you see how bad the Phins drafting was, and how far that set us back. The FO has been doing a pretty good job of getting 3-4 solid contributors every draft since.
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great post!
im glad to see this post, gives some good insight and shows that even though we didnt hit on picks like pat white or pat turner, the pats seemed to miss on just about all their second round picks
although i think it is nice to see to use our draftees....
I dont see how it makes us a better team. Ok, so we have stared a lot of our draft picks and retained many more. We still have endured losing seasons without playoff wins. Those are things that both the Patriots and the Jets dont seem to have problems with (patriots bad run recently).
I could look at this from a pessimistic angle and say that we are worse because of these numbers. I dont feel that way, but i dont see the relevancy in it.
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To be fair
The Patriots are so good because they’ve been producing pretty solid drafts since 2000 and have a Hall of Fame QB on their roster. We have only been receiving production from out drafted players since 2008 and though we have found a bunch of very good starters, we’re still waiting for the QB.
The Jets have drafted some quality starters, but they filled much of their roster with aging veterans that cost a lot against the cap. Unlike the Patriots, the Jets appear to have only a short run with as good of a team as they have because of salary cap concerns and player age.
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i agree...
I feel that if we can retain our starters for two or three more years, it will prove that we have been successful in the draft..
I mean, if we look at the Raiders, the niners, and other teams that have been unsuccessful over the recent years… i would wager that they have had similar numbers related to their drafts.
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My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
by Phinphinatic on Sep 9, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL at 1 GQ cover
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Good analysis, but switch up the conclusion.
Rather than “Miami drafts well” I think what this proves is that “drafting is not necessarily the problem” Naturally, this begs the question of what is the problem? And if the drafting isn’t the cause of our woes, .then the only possible alternative is the system/coaching staff…
You mad? You jelly?
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Mark Sanchez
Starter; 31 appearances, 31 starts, 474 completions, 5735 yards, 29 touchdowns, 33 interceptions, 54.4 completion percentage, 70.2 passer rating, 1 GQ Cover
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Rex Ryan walked over tougher guys than Channing Crowder on his way to McDonalds!
Only one pick really counts...
and that’s the one that lands a franchise QB. Would NE have been dominant without Tom Brady? Good, probably, but not dominant. Does a lucky sixth round pick make Belichick a draft genius? Maybe, maybe not, but I think Tom Brady is a good illustration of how important plain old luck is in the draft. Every draft pick is a gamble, but I think the Dolphins FO has shown that the odds can be narrowed. And I also think that Belichek would be quite happy to trade defenses with us. Maybe that’s a good way to judge our drafts over the last four years: defense-for-defense trade, which teams would you trade with?
by Old Man Dolphin Fan on Sep 9, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
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