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I know this is gonna sound BEYOND crazy but let Tony finish the season.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa let me explain.   


Miami is on a collision course with the #1 pick in next year's draft. Notice I said the #1 pick not the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. We should let Tony finish the season because the team will either turn it around or they will suck out loud all the way to the a top 3 pick. Let's consider 1 given and 2 potential options that we could follow after such a disastrous season. First, the given is we get a new Head Coach. I know this didn't work out well last offseason but bear in mind that
(A) Ross will now be desperate and cave to just about any demand and
(B) the new HC will have a top 3 pick in each round to work with which means they will be able to do a quick rebuild to address our deficiencies.

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OPTION 1 The new HC uses our first round pick to select a new QB (Andrew Luck or the next guy in line if we are picking 2nd or 3rd) and uses the remaining pick to address RT, TE, FS, NT (If a 3-4 coach) and depth issues not necessarily in that order. The coach then molds the team to be a hungry attacking team that dictates the game to the other team instead of playing to what is available. Is it any surprise we fall apart in the red zone when we are playing with what the defense gives us? They don't have much to give on a very short field so no wonder we look confused and bewildered inside the 20.



OPTION 2 The new HC sees the brilliance of the Bill Belichick approach and trades back to pick up new picks (Especially if we have the #1 pick) since we have a suitable QB in Chad Henne. Remember Henne has posted 90.0 or better QB ratings in 2 of our 3 games thus far. Also remember that with even a decent RT, Henne would only have 1 INT not thrown on a desperate Hail Mary when down by more than 1 score. If Henne had only 1 INT thus far his QB rating would be 91.7 which would rank him 12 with Joe Flacco (0.2 off). Also if not for the last possession against Cleveland (necessitated by our missed FG, fumble at the Browns 20 , and general lack of killer instinct) Henne would have a QB rating of 95.3 which would make him a top 10 QB. If we hold the #1 pick we should be able to trade with any of the top 5 teams and pick up at least a first round swap and a 2nd round pick and probably another pick or a 2nd round pick the following year. This would be akin to Jimmy Johnson rebuilding the Cowboys but without trading the only real star on an otherwise lackluster team. If we are picking 2nd or 3rd, we could trade back up to 10 spots and still address our issues while picking up another pick in the later rounds (likely round 2 or multiple picks starting in round 3 or 4) to go with that round's top 3 pick. Everybody now knows that in this day and age you have to build a dynasty through the draft and having 5 or 6 picks in the top 100 would be a huge opportunity to create a rock solid team on both sides of the ball.

- We have a pound the rock RB in Daniel Thomas and a very strong left side of the line but must improve the RT position (could upgrade RG while we are at it) and we have an alpha receiver in Brandon Marshall, a slot machine in Davone Bess and a VERY underrated #2 in Brian Hartline as well as an all-around TE in Anthony Fasano. We also have a much improved QB in Henne. Prior to our last possession yesterday, Henne had a 121 QB rating. God only knows what Daboll and Sparano were thinking on the last possession but it is clear they can't keep their wits when under pressure. We needed about 12 yards for a high-% field goal but no runs (even with the TO) and long-developing pass plays that the Browns just sat down on. Instead of looking for the first down and winning field goal, we started flinging it all over the place against a medium to long pass coverage. Why not fling a short screen to Bush and let him take it out of bounds? You bring in a guy like Reggie Bush for this purpose and don't use him? Ridiculous!

- As for the defense, Mike Nolan isn't looking like the man with all the answers anymore. We still aren't getting pressure at the end of games and with our offense playing not to lose, Nolan has to play to win. We have a D-line that can play 3-4 or 4-3 and has strong depth and should get better (especially in Jared Odrick's case) with more playing time. Our LBs are getting better at covering TEs (Still have a ways to go) but they need to get more pressure on QBs when blitzing. Our secondary, dear God WTF is with our secondary? WE need a free safety big time! WE also have 4 corners that are very capable (I'm talking about Jimmy Wilson not Nolan Carroll so don't shoot me) but keep making half-assed mental errors and getting burned for it. Our defense has regressed like we couldn't have expected and Nolan will not be retained by a new coach if he can't straighten it out before season's end.

 

 

Point blank reality check: Andrew Luck will NOT turn this team into a contender.


Whoever the new coach is will have the 2012 draft to serve notice to the team and the league that we are building a dynasty by building a team full of great players that doesn't need a superstar to win the big one (A la Green Bay last season - Aaron Rogers was good but wasn't considered elite until after last season). We can draft Andrew Luck and improve (Marginally) but without the remaining holes being plugged we will be limited. This team has a tremendous amount of talent but the mentality is SORELY lacking. Anybody notice how Henne has improved so drastically but still chokes on end-zone passes that require pinpoint accuracy or they will get picked? Henne has had 3 different throws sail high of his target because he doesn't want to risk a pick in the end zone (Playing not to lose the FG as opposed to playing for the TD). This is the biggest flaw left in Henne's game and is a DIRECT result of the coaching mentality of Sparano. Tony Sparano is the ultimate proponent of the play not to lose coaching strategy and it has proven not to work again and again (Especially since Wannstedt took over in 2000) in the years since Shula. It's hard to remember the days of running up a 31-0 rout of the Chargers in the playoffs (1992) when we can't even put up 20 points (let alone a 20 point lead) against a Browns team with a new coaching staff, a 2nd year QB and without its principal offensive weapon. What the Dolphins need is an Offensive-minded head coach that is not afraid to take chances and is willing to win a game based on his teams ability as opposed to what his opponent allows. I didn't see Buffalo playing to what NE gave them. Buffalo played their game and ran head to head with the top team in the AFC. Granted Brady and NE helped them out with turnovers but Buffalo has to catch the INTs or they don't happen. Buffalo has now put up 113 pts on KC, Oakland and NE (an AVERAGE of 37.7 pts/gm) while we have managed only 53 pts over 3 games against NE, Houston and Cleveland (an average of 17.7 pts/gm). THe kicker is that even though we are averaging 20 fewer pts/gme than Buffalo, we are averaging only 25 seconds less time of possession than the Bills. 25 seconds less time and 20 fewer pts? Chan Gailey > Tony Sparano. There is just no ignoring it. Sparano will lose his job but 1 more loss will cement this season as playoff-less and why bother bringing in a new HC with less than 1 week to prepare for a powerhouse like San Diego? Let Tony finish the year and then show him the door. It will show the Head coaching candidates that Ross will stick with a coach if it is in the best interest of his team and will almost assuredly lead to a high drafting position. Unfortunately this means we have to suffer through another season like 2007 but at least we can move on with a new HC that knows what he is doing (Unlike when Parcells put his own cronies in charge of the asylum).

Poll
Should our new head coach draft Andrew Luck or trade back inside the top 10 and stockpile 5-6 picks in the top 100?
Draft Luck For God's Sake! WE need a first round QB! Griese! Marino! GEEZ! Trade Henne for a 3rd or 4th rounder.
345 votes
Trade back and pick up 6 frist 3 round talent including 4 to 5 in the first 75 picks.
209 votes
Keep Henne, Draft Luck, Groom Luck for 1 year and draft to fill the other holes with our other picks.
325 votes

879 votes | Poll has closed

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If we are going down the tubes..

we better draft Luck if available. Henne could be the back up that could be traded to a desperate team, like the deal made with Kolb. I know Henne have improved, but he will never be elite qb.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(Quarter of a Century and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 26, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Henne would not command more than a 5th round pick.

Kolb had a lot of good games before he got hurt and Vick came in. Henne has mostly bad games and has more years of experience. I just don’t see that kind of deal happening.

I definitely agree we need to take Luck if he is there. I’m so tired of Henne excuses. Last year it was Henning, now it’s Sparano. When do we come to grips with the fact that he is a bottom tier QB in this league a la Rex Grossman (who is actually outplaying Henne at this juncture in the season).

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by joel311 on Sep 27, 2011 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right now

Henne has played three good games Joel and has been easily one of the brightest points of the team. He is playing smarter football than he ever has in his career before. Of the inconsistancies that have plagued Chads career, pocket awareness, poise, properly moving through his progressions, maintaining downfield vision whilst moving in and out of the pocket, accuracy under pressure and ball placement he is making fewer mistakes a game right now than he ever has. To see how far the kid has come is actually really impressive Joel. Now did he make mistakes on Sunday. Yes he made a few, namely two sacks he took in unneccasary situations (although a few other things went wrong on the one taken in the redzone, from a missed block inside to poor identification of bracket coverage by both Bess and Marshall). However as a whole his performance was stellar. He made great reads all day, showed great awareness of his surroundings (for the most part) and yet again made throws under intense pressure many of which were delivered with exceptional ball placement.

On Sunday we struggled as a team, at virtually every position costly errors were made (even from the likes of Karlos Dansby). Chad Henne made Id say 3 or 4 mental errors in the game total. (counting his forced pass into coverage at the end, in a do or die situation that got intercepted by Mike Adams) For the Quarterback of your team to make such an amount of errors is very impressive.

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by civwarbuff on Sep 27, 2011 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Henne fails on a short field.

We consistently stall out inside The Red Zone and Henne falls to pieces in the 4th Quarter. He is not, and has never been, clutch, and that is not something that changes. The Henne experiment is done IMO.

That’s great that he doesn’t stare down receivers now. He still isn’t putting points on the board, especially when it’s a close game. His 2-minute drill is still atrocious, which is another testament to him failing in high pressure situations. When there are 2 minutes left, and we are down by a score, do you honestly think to yourself “Henne’s got this.”? I do not, and I’m pretty sure the players don’t either.

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well duh!

The problem is not Henne! It is that play calling is allowing him to get into the Red Zone!
If they would just call TD plays from outside the 20yd line, we would not have this problem!

Seriously joel, please think before you make these kinds of silly comments.

geez…..

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS

Good to see you posting again. I’ve missed the good debates.

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are saying

But I can’t see Sparano lasting for the season, Ross is a businessman and what he sees is a failing coach and empty seats. Outside of replacing Henne, firing Sparano is about the best PR move he can make to increase interest and attendence to the games. Whatever coach comes in, it would be hard to see them pass on the most important position in football in the draft, if Luck is available, we will be taking him no matter how well Henne plays.

While I agree Luck doesn’t make us contenders by himself, he puts us in a position to contend, he is a critical building block to building a winning franchise.. Luck is considered franchise QB material, which even at his best Henne will never be.

 I wouldn’t blame Henne for these losses directly, but I still feel a superior QB could have pulled the rest of the team through for two of these three games. I think any incoming coach will feel the same way. Henne can probably be good enough to be a placeholder while rebuilding a team, but if your ultimate goal is to win the Superbowl, you don’t go with Henne. He is our Jason Campbell, anything good is a bonus but in the end you just hope he doesn’t lose it for you.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I see what you are saying but Henne hasn't cost us the games this year.

What exactly makes a QB a franchise QB or not?
- Is it Yds/game? Henne has 280.3 (1 yard short of Matt Ryan) which puts him ahead of such “Franchise” QBs like Joe Flacco, Eli Manning, Sam Bradford, MIchael Vick & Kyle Orton
- Is it Yds/Att? Henne has 7.8 which ties him with Phillip Rivers and has him 0.3 yds behind Drew Brees as well as ahead of McNabb, Bradford, Vick, Orton, Flacco and the suddenly golden Ryan Fitzpatrick.
- Maybe its TD/INT? Henne has a 4:3 ratio and two of the 3 picks are excusable since they either were hail Mary’d or not his fault (Colombo). If not for those 2 picks Henne’s ratio would be better than every QB not named Brady, Brees, Stafford or Rodgers
- Perhaps its rating? Henne has eclipsed 90 twice this year and that was supposedly good enough to put this team in the playoffs. Of the QBs witrh better ratings, only 2 have been sacked as often as Henne. Perhaps a big upgrade on O-Line (RT for instance) would make a BIG difference here.
- Maybe its eing a leader in your teammates eyes? Henne has been named a team captain and has yet to be criticised by even 1 of his current teammates.

I am not saying Henne is elite (3 games in with QB ratings over 100 wouldn’t get me to say that) but I am saying that Andrew Luck won’t but up Brady numbers without a big upgrade at RT. I am also saying that we could easily trade out of the #1 pick, obtain 2 more top 100 picks, and still get a franchsie QB in Barkley, Jones, or Foles. Personally I think Henne would be satisfactory to get this team into the playoffs with a competent head coach and a solidified O-line but I wouldn’t hardly shy away from picking up one of the top 4 QBs in this draft (all first rounders BTW) and pick up 2 top 100 picks to go with him. I just don’t know If I would want to take Andrew Luck over Jones and 4 picks in the second through third rounds. Obviously, the “Safe” choice is Andrew Luck but it may be worth more to us to get 3 first round talents instead of 1 (Especially since we would still get a 1st round QB).

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There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whats the rule in drafting

Take the best available player.

Henne has shown improvement this year but not enough for me to say. Hey lets pass on what everyone is calling the next Peyton Manning.

by sdelinois on Sep 26, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it goes beyond stats.

While Franchise QB’s often put up great stats, its the way they play the game and how they win. The scores they get in the the red zone, the comeback victories, the ability to throw that key score the breaks the other teams back, the games in which they are awful but are able to make 2-3 passes that change the whole game for you, the fire most display, the ability to take the rest of the team and carry them over the hump despite its shortcomings. Its a state of being, take a guy like Fitzpatrick that does not have the tools of Chad Henne and at this point I still wouldn’t call him a franchise QB, yet he has shown more of these qualites in just that NE game then Henne has shown in his career. Henne has improved…to being a average QB, he is not the guy to take you to a Super Bowl. Luck is believed to be that kind of guy.

I think we have gambled to many times with the QB position to pass on Luck if he is available to us. I get what you saying about maximizing your selections, but QB is too critical, Luck is too good.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right however we may have the #2 or #3 pick. What would you do then?

If we have #1, it would take a coach with balls the size of the moon to trade away the Luck pick but it could pay some huge dividends. Luck is not the first QB to be lavished with such praise and he will not be the last. I just hope if we take him that he is everything as advertised given what we will have passed up to get him.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade up

if the deal is reasonable. But it would also require that team not to be QB needy. I have seen us bypass so many good to great QBs. I think at this point so many years after Marino it would be damn near a crime not to take a shot if its within reason.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

What team is gonna have the first overall pick and NOT be QB-Needy?

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carolina

is not good, St Louis is struggling, Jags are awful, Vikings look bad. All have the QBs they need..at least for now.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we have a patern here

Teams with franchise QB are not at the bottom of the league. But teams with franchise left tackles are 0-3.

Humm…. something to think about.

by sdelinois on Sep 26, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland has a franchise LT and they are 1-2. Who are the other teams with franchise LTs?

You mean Branden Albert in KC?
Do you mean Roger Saffold in St. Louis?
I will grant you that Indy has Anthony Costanzo but they also lost their QB in a shortened offseason and turned to a retired Kerry Collins with 2 weeks to prepare for the season.
Do you mean Charlie Johnson in Minnesota? The same Johnson that was so money that the Colts let him go to the Vikings after drafting Costanzo?
Perhaps you mean Miami and Jake Long? GET OVER NOT DRAFTING MATT RYAN!!!! IF you have then never mind that last sentence but otherwise, move on already. In case you’ve missed it, Long isn’t why this team is 0-3 and Henne (drafted with Long instead of Ryan) is outplaying Matt Ryan.
Come one SD, you can do better than this grossly undersupported generalization. Supposedly, Matt Cassell and Donovan McNabb were franchise QBs and yet their teams are 0-3.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Long

You can’t say he was a bad pick. But we are still no closer to finding a QB. QB is the most important position on the offense and great ones are almost never found outside the draft. Breese being the only exception I can think of.

I can’t get over Matt Ryan because we already had a 1st round LT in Carey. And we really needed a QB.

by sdelinois on Sep 26, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I can help
QB is the most important position on the offense and great ones are almost never found outside the draft. Breese being the only exception I can think of.

The most obvious one is Warren Moon. Most forget that Steve Young wasn’t drafted (because he chose to play in the USFL instead so he doesn’t count except as a technicality. How about Kurt Warner? Jake Delhomme and Tony Romo also went undrafted (Opinions of their greatness will vary).

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you remember

Carey wasn’t exactly a stud LT. He was much more effective on the right side.

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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 28, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

browns are 2-1

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by E_Dove on Sep 27, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

My bad. I forgot they got to play a Manningless Colts team.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same team people used to crown Houston as a powerhouse ;)

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Carolina is bad but won’t pick Top 3
St. Louis is injury-ridden but still won’t pick top-3 (NFC West after all)
Jags suck ass and may just finish with a top 3 pick but they won’t pick Luck (Remember this is the team that passed on Tebow for a defensive tackle).
The VIKINGS?? Yeah, they NEED a QB. McNabb is being exposed this season like last season for how overrated he is.
As it stands right now, the teams most likely to finish 32nd are ourselves, the Seahawks, Chiefs, Rams, Jags, Vikings and Colts. Out of those teams only the Rams wouldn’t be considered QB needy and I doubt they end up picking in the top 3 even with their injuries.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vikings

Have Ponder, invested too high a pick on him to go QB again Rams have Bradford, Jags Gabbert. It would be a little surprising for any of them to go QB first more likely to follow your scenario of trading that pick to get more picks to fix real needs. I am most concerned about Seahawks, Chiefs and Colts. All of which could lose more games then us, all of them should take Luck if available.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Carolina, Minnesota, and Jacksonville will be competitors for the #1 overall, but they all drafted a first round QB last year. The Rams are bad so far too, but have Bradford. Even the Colts may elect not to with Peyton. Same with the Chiefs and Cassel. I’d trade the 2012 and 2013 first round picks for Luck if I had to.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even think that could persuade some of these teams.

If Luck is as advertised, that 2013 pick is gonna be in the mid to late 20s or later.
Pure and simple, have the #1 pick under your Christmas tree or you are not gonna have a Luck-y new year.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be 20s or later

Miami would have to be a playoff team. I don’t think many would expect greatness that fast.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 27, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe it's being able to finish a drive with 6 points

instead of stalling in the red zone time and again.

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by joel311 on Sep 27, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I myself have become more and more frustrated with settling for field goals.

The team is STILL playing NOT TO LOSE instead of playing to win! I am an aggressive minded person when playing the game, and I would be taking shots at the endzone from the 30-25 yd line range. I don’t remember one attempt from that distance. Not One shot to Gates on a go route. whether or not he catches it, the shot needs to be taken.

by IEphinfan54 on Sep 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, I completely agree.

And that’s exactly when they SHOULD be taking end zone shots because Henne can’t do it inside the 20. If they took more shots from the 30, we’d probably see more points. We almost had one such shot, but Bess got downed at the half yard line, and we couldn’t punch it in.

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOLOLOL!

I just posted above before I read this comment.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

SO you couldn't be bothered to read more than 2 paragraphs huh? Well I'll just have to get over that. Wait..... OK, done.

You are entitled to your opinion I just would’ve liked serious debate on this instead of shallow, close-mindedness. Oh well, thank you for playing.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's just hard to have a discussions

with someone that has blinders on.

Sure this year Henne is not the problem. Last year I thought he was so there is improvement. But in NO WAY has he shown me that he is a franchise quarterback. To pass on what everyone is calling the next Manning because our QB is pretty good would be crazy. (i’m not calling you crazy just that move)

After that I don’t know what to say.

by sdelinois on Sep 26, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's also hard to have a discussion when you only say one condescending sentence without reading everything put forward.
Sure this year Henne is not the problem. Last year I thought he was so there is improvement. But in NO WAY has he shown me that he is a franchise quarterback.

So he has made great strides but he isn’t a franchise QB. THis is a valid assessment after 3 games but if his improvement continues over 16 games? I have no blinders on regarding Henne. I will readily admit that 1 of those sacks yesterday and the INT are his fault entirely. I do however, note that that’s 1 sack out of 11 and 1 INT out of 3. I will readily admit Henne’s #s aren’t good enough but I won’t dump all the dropped balls onto Henne. I won’t suggest that Henne is getting points on the board but I refuse to throw all the blame on him giving the missed FGs and fumbles that have killed us offensively or the absurd misuse of Reggie Bush. We have all seen the improvement Henne has had just by replacing Henning with Daboll. Now imagine if we replace Sparano with somebody like Cowher (who would also likely replace Daboll with his own choice at OC).

To pass on what everyone is calling the next Manning because our QB is pretty good would be crazy.
I’m not suggesting it isn’t crazy. I’m simply saying let’s weigh the options equally without giving hype an unfair due. Luck could be the next Manning or even better than that but what if he’s not? Green Bay didn’t need a Manning to win a Super Bowl. They just needed depth that kept them going through injuries. What happens if/when Luck gets injured? I agree Luck is worth more than any 1 other player and more than just about any combo that could be drafted but we could get 3 FIRST-ROUND talents which I feel would be worth more than ANY 1 player. Give me 3 picks in the first 44 over 1 guy in the draft any day.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

And to tell you the truth I’ve never seen Luck play. I would take a Marino, Manning or Brady over 3 other first rounders any year.

Those guys are game changers. When Marino took the field with 30 seconds, 1 time out and 20 yards to cover the other team would be scared out of their minds.

That’s what we need :)

by sdelinois on Sep 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have bigger problems to sure up before the QB.

Are o-line is a mess. WR’s need time for their routes to develope (especially the deeper routes). With Henne improving from what he was, imagine how better we would if he had time to sit in the pocket like Brady. Everyone is getting beat at the line and we had no answers against the Brown’s blitzes. We need better play calling in the redzones (idk, run the ball a little more?) and are defense needs to step it up. Looks like we still need improvement at safety and the corner positions. Maybe more depth at LB.

The play starts at the line and therefor that needs to gel before the other around them can succeed.

by Dolphins101 on Sep 26, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Just not with skipping on the best player in the draft. Counting on a quarterback that shows flashes. Yeah the line is a mess and any QB will have a tough time.

But franchise QB’s come once every 5+ years. You know the ones that you build your team around. Marino, Manning, Brady, Montana, Breese.

I’m not talking about McNabbs and Romo type QB’s… I’m talking about that next level guy.

Now I know nothing is guaranteed but all the experts are picking Luck to be that type of QB. If you have that chance you take it even if you’re the Colts.

by sdelinois on Sep 26, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you so sure that Luck is that guy?

There are just as many bust’s as there are qb’s that make in the NFL as an elite qb or become one that performs in the top 8 or 10 when it comes to first round draft picks. Obviously, your shots of getting a good qb in the first round is higher than others rounds, but does not solve other current area’s of need. Would I like to draft another Marino instead of keeping Henne… Yes, but I also do not want to leave the draft without leaving any of the other area’s of concern untouched (in FA or draft). Henne isn’t going to lose us games if he keeps playing the way he does do I’m fine with that. If other area’s get fixed, we can easily be a 2-1 team right now or even a 3-0 team at this stage.

Experts also thought highly of many others and those qb’s never panned out. Not to mention that a lot of success of a young qb usually comes from being in a good system as well. We currently do not have that system yet.

On a side note… even if we draft are next Marino… from my time being a dolphin fan during the Marino era. We still failed to win a SB!! What does that tell you? It tells me we still need the other aspects of the team to play at a top level as well. QB alone is not going to solve a thing until we solve other problems within this team.

by Dolphins101 on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The potential to reach a SB was always there though

When you look at the Dolphins, Marino always made it possible to consider a SB because he was that kind of difference maker, he at least made it so we were able to contend. But he never got the D he needed till the end of his career and the Running game was a joke during his entire tenure for the Dolphins.

I don’t think anyone is saying Luck = instant SB, you don’t just draft him and ignore the rest of your team. But he IS the key building block. He is what you build around, you get your QB and then you solidfy the rest of the team around him. There is no position more important than QB.

Luck may not turn out, it happens. However avoiding taking the chance has not worked for the Dolphins, so maybe we should follow the blueprint of some successful teams and at least consider the QB position as a priority.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points...

QB is a high risk, high reward sort of thing I suppose. In an essence we have to take that risk at some point. I agree with you in that sense yes. I can also def agree with you that we should keep the QB position as a consideration in the draft as with all positions.

My only worry is though, is we have a lot of worrying aspects right now with all the other positions. Are defense (which is supposed to be the staple of this team) has done nothing thus far. Is it the talent? the coaching? Idk, but I do know this. This defense is young was supposed to progress from last years great performance, but we’ve only seen a regression. Maybe they bounce back, but right now I can only wonder. As many, I can only see a coaching change.

Unlike a lot of fans, I do not want to suck for luck. I want this team to fight each and every weekend. If we really do stink and have a shot at Luck, then so be it. I just would like to see this team get their act together and win some football games. I can’t do another 1-15 season.

by Dolphins101 on Sep 26, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to suck for Luck either

In fact I hope things do turn around and things do get better. However if they don’t and we are in a position to get Luck, we have to take that chance. A bold leap for a team that has been afraid of them.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

in addition… Brady was a sixth rounder, Montana a third rounder, and Brees a second rounder.

All these qb’s that are elite are drafted after the first round. Therefor you never know will pan out or not. Its a crap shoot at the qb postion.

by Dolphins101 on Sep 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so much when JJ was head coach.

The right Head Coach can take a great QB and make him elite.
Give me Henny, Matt Kalil (OT-USC)/Johnathon Martin (OT-Stanford)/D.J. Fluker (OT-Alabama), Robert Lester (S-Alabama) and Shayne Skove (3-4 OLB-Stanford) and 1 more pick from trade (Probably 3rd Rounder or 2nd round in 2013) over Andrew Luck. I may be crazy but I don’t think it is so outlandish. I wouldn’t complain 1 bit about drafting Luck either.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats false IMO...

I think the correct statement is “the right QB can take a good coach and make him elite”…

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by #1Heatfan on Sep 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

the QB usually makes the coaches career. Doesn’t matter how good a coach you are more often then not you are dead in the water if you don’t have the QB you need.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually it goes both ways.

For example,
Joe Montana & Steve Walsh = Dynasty
Joe Montana W/O Steve Walsh = 0 Playoff wins.
Bob Griese and George Wilson = 10-36-2
Bob Griese and Don Shula = 82-20-1, 3 Super Bowls and 2 Lombardis

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 26, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

to be fair the team situation changed around them, not just the coach not to mention they were getting older. SO I think that is a little misleading.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction lol

Griese wasn’t an age issue however being legally blind in one eye didn’t help

by LordBishop34 on Sep 26, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Walsh.

Chad Henne took the Lindbergh baby!

by urbino on Sep 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn. That's embarassing of me. Good catch

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF

This is a pass happy league w/out an “Elite QB” your are not SHIT…..get an Elite QB and we will be contenders on a yearly basis!

by MassFinFan65 on Sep 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I would not have said this last week

But I’ve given up on Ireland, Sparano and Henne.

I’m going to root for the dolphins to win each week but I’ll accept my 1 pick overall with a smile at the end of the season.

by sdelinois on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've given up on Sparano

But I have not given up on Henne, especially with him improving from last season. Am on the fence with Ireland though, just not totally sure as he has brought in good talent for this team.

by Dolphins101 on Sep 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely ... The Season is still young.

JMHO but the season is a rollercoaster. Changing coaches halfway won’t help things. Give Sparano a chance. I remain unconvinced he’s the man for Miami, but convinced that the short offseason hasn’t exactly helped team prep in Miami’s case.

Fact is a win at San Diego, and we’re only a game out of where most of us thought we’d be at the bye. It’s a long season, I’m gonna try and enjoy the football rather than pine for next off season.

by Armchair QB on Sep 27, 2011 3:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I Likey

let Sparano finish F#@$ing this up! Give Cowher Golden Beach! Lets make South Beach Pittsburgh south!

by ADRIELSDAD on Sep 27, 2011 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Lets see......

Did people want Henne to finish out the past 2 season when he was sucking it up? Would people want any other player not doing his job well to continue to finish playing? We have lost 6 straight? SIX STRAIGHT WITH THIS TALENT?! Let Tony Sparano find the door as quick as possible.

When we fired Wanny, Jim Bates jumped in and did fine. There is no reason why we should stomach the same results and listen to meaningless speeches afterward. The Dolphins tried to do things behind the scenes this off season and got crushed for it. Everyone will no the Dolphins will be looking for another coach all year and Sparano will be a “coach waiting to be fired” just like he was this offseason. I didn’t like it when they did it this offseason and they should do it during the season.

Let Sparano go so we can openly proclaim and let every available coach out there know we are looking so everything can be out in the open and we can do this without shame.

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by Neo on Sep 27, 2011 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Neo, There will be no lack of openness THIS offseason. Sparano will be let go and we will openly proclaim that we are looking for our next head coach but what do we gain by doing it now?

Sparano will be canned this year and either we get the big name head coach or we will settle for promoting Nolan (Please God, no), but why should we dump Sparano now and create even more chaos in the locker room?
I don’t want to endure another year even remotely close to 2007 but I want us to start fresh next year and we need to be picking within the top 4 to enhance our odds of addressing our deficiencies. Also the higher our draft picks, the easier it will be to attract an elite former head coach since he will have an easier job turning the team around if he can draft his own starters.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

because our coach is costing us games

that is why. If sparano would let his offensive and defensive coordinators do their jobs and exercise their expertise, we would not be playing so conservatively. Tony was a OLine coach, and our OLine is arguably one of our biggest weaknesses right now. In my opinion…

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by Phinphinatic on Sep 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

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by Neo on Sep 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our O-line Sucks! There is no changing that now so firing Sparano now accomplishes nothing in that regard.

I agree we shouldn’t be playing so conservatively and am looking forward to the coaching change at the end of the year. The reality is that this team will not make the playoffs this season with us being 3 games behind Buffalo and both the Jets and Patriots still in front of us. We can only fall to later drafting position and I don’t see any reason to change up the coaching staff to get an extra 3-5 wins just to draft outside the top 12 and lose a chance at getting Landry Jones to replace Henne or a top prospect at another area of need if we keep Henne.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our O-line Sucks! There is no changing that now so firing Sparano now accomplishes nothing in that regard.

Our HC was suppose to be this OL guru and the OL has been the weakest part of this team since he has been here, save the 1st year.

Bottom Line dude:

We have lost 6 straight and looked bad every game doing it. Why wouldn’t you not want to try and fix it. It doesn’t make any sense. Its not like he has won any games recently. So its not like we would be forfeiting wins by letting him go. The only thing I can get from this is that you like losing and having us look bad just for a higher draft pick. I’m sorry I’m not into sucking when its possible we could be better.

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by Neo on Sep 27, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stand losing Dude! BUT I got through 2007 without a coronary and if it means becoming a perennial playoff team again then I am willing to suffer through a 1-3 win season.

And to think I’m one of those guys that has backed Henne. Just answer me 3 questions:
1.) Who do you think is going to take over this mess right now that is not currently with the organization??
2.) What do you expect to happen if we install a new coach after the San Diego game (Please give me your “Rosey Outlook” and your “Most Likely” outcomes.
3.) I want to fix this team but understand that we are a strong, offensive-minded coach and several significant pieces (RT, FS, NT-Potentially, and pass rusher) away from being solid top to bottom. So the question is, what is the point of bringing in an interim coach (who will NOT be considered for the head coaching position unless everyone else says no) when the season is already lost? I’d rather let these guys play out under Sparano and go out and establish how good they can be under a crap coach than to win 5-6 games under some placeholder just to fall out of the top 10 picks. Would you rather we picked aroun 15th again and you were stuck with Henne for another season? Oops that’s 4 questions.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

1) We don’t need to get someone from out the organization to fix the mess RIGHT NOW.

2) How bout the team playing with a lil passion, maybe some heart? How bout some competent play on the field?

what is the point of bringing in an interim coach (who will NOT be considered for the head coaching position unless everyone else says no

If the interim HC comes in and goes a great job who are you to say he wouldn’t be considered for the coaching position?


I’d rather let these guys play out under Sparano and go out and establish how good they can be under a crap coach than to win 5-6 games under some placeholder just to fall out of the top 10 picks. Would you rather we picked aroun 15th again and you were stuck with Henne for another season?

So what you are REALLY saying is you don’t want to change because we might actually play better and win more games and drop down the draft order. Thats really nice. What a fan you are.

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by Neo on Sep 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win 5-6 games with an interim or win the same # or less with Sparano. Which do you want? Who do you think will fix this mess "RIGHT NOW?"

You are delusional if you think there is someone within this organization that will fix this team this season and get retained as the head coach. Who would you promote after firing Sparano this coming Monday? Nolan? Daboll? Cox? NONE of our coaches have any head coaching experience except for Nolan and he can’t get the defense righted within his current assingment but you expect him to take over the head coaching duties on top of his current tasks and succeed?

So what you are REALLY saying is you don’t want to change because we might actually play better and win more games and drop down the draft order. Thats really nice. What a fan you are.
Spare me the BS rhetoric about what makes a real fan. I still go out on Monday wearing a Dolphins shirt, still follow the team week in and week out, still spend every frustrating minute of every game glued to the TV and still stand proud of my fandom in my team even when Patriot fans and Jet fans are laughing at me. My Girlfriends mom roots for one of 3 teams, whoever is playing Buffalo, whover is playing the Jets, and whoever is playing the Dolphins (and she’s from upstate New York, go figure). We damn near had a fight over that Patriots game (BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTED) so don’t talk down to me about my love for this team you ignorant schmuck when you don’t know jack about me.
Also since you are having such a hard time grasping the concept I will spell it out slowly. What I am REALLY saying is
No…interim…Head…Coach…will…win…more…than…half…the…remaining…games. That would be no better than 6 out of 12 games so he will almost certainly not keep the job because Ross wants a winner and will pursue Cowher, Fischer, and Gruden before he even considers retaining the interim coach. This also means we would miss the playoffs (just like if Sparano stayed on) but winning 6 games instead of 4 could drop us out of the top 10 and could cost us our QB of the future. So who would be our interim head coach that you think is gonna win enough games (minimum of 7 IMO) to matter ? Don’t give some BS this time. Give me the name of our interim savior if you have thought that far ahead.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 28, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spare me the BS rhetoric about what makes a real fan.

Oh, I’m not. Any fan wants to win as many games as he can. Especially only 3 games into the season.

What I am REALLY saying is

No…interim…Head…Coach…will…win…more…than…half…the…remaining…game

NEVER said ANYTHING about WINNING 1/2 THE REMAINING GAMES.

Don’t give some BS this time. Give me the name of our interim savior if you have thought that far ahead.

I’m not giving you any BS, you aren’t listen to me. So…..

Sparano has lost 6 in a row. Two at home to last year’s Bills and Lions and one to a Peyton Hillisless Browns team. Throw in a couple blowouts to the Pats and…..Why you don’t seem to get that I’m not looking for a full term solution now and I’m not even looking for a coach with HC experience is beyond me. As I stated earlier. Jim Bates came in and did FINE. We played better than we would’ve if Whanny stayed and we went out and got our coach later….AND HE DIDN’T HAVE HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE.

Also since you are having such a hard time grasping the concept I will spell it out slowly

I’m not gonna spell it out slowing, my typing skills are fine(ok, maybe they aren’t, but I digress) . But I will put it in caps and bold print so that you might actually be able to read what I am typing this time.

I DON’T GIVE A FLYING F**K WHO THEY REPLACE SPARANO WITH. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON IN THIS ORGANIZATION IF IT MEANS WINNING EVEN JUST ONE MORE GAME, I WANT HIM REPLACED.

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by Neo on Sep 29, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I'm listening. You would rather win even just 1 more game this season just to win 1 more game this season. I'd rather lose that extra game (Provided we don't go 0-16) and get the highest possible draft pick (In each round not just for Luck) to

I’d rather lose that extra game (Provided we don’t go 0-16) and get the highest possible draft pick (In each round not just for Luck) to turn this franchise around. I (As a fan) want to win as many games as possible but I realize that every year we are a laughing stock. I realize that winning 1-2 extra games this seasons won’t change that. I realize that trading a top 3 pick in each round of the draft for 1-2 extra Sundays of happy feelings is DEE, DEE, DEE!

Why you don’t seem to get that I’m not looking for a full term solution now and I’m not even looking for a coach with HC experience is beyond me.
I get what you are looking for. What I don’t get is why you think a short-term solution is worth ANYTHING.
I also don’t understand why you think your argument of anybody but Sparanois the right argument.
I also can’t fathom why you would rather hinder our chances at future success for the sake of winning a few games and still ending our season after week 17. You talk like I’m not a fan because I don’t want to blow a draft spot for 1 more win but you would rather win 1 more game today and to hell with tommorrow.
If someone gave you the option of going 2-14 and drafting Luck AS WELL AS the #1 pick in each round of the draft or going 6-10 and drafting outside the top 10 and losing any chance an NFL-Caliber QB as well as having to wait until the previous round talent has been picked clean within the first 7-10 picks of each subsequent round in the draft which would you choose?You act like there is still a real chance at the postseason. IF we lose to San Diego then we will be 0-4 including 0-4 in the AFC. Let’s assume for a minute that we aren’t going to overtake the other AFC East teams and win the division this year. This would mean our only avenue into the playoffs would be the wild card. Do you truly think we will get into the wild card over the Ravens and Jets/Patriots/Bills? Even if we end up tied the tie-breakers would kill us. To beat out the Ravens we would need a better conference record. We would be 0-4 following a loss on Sunday. Here’s a fun fact. Since 2007, NOT 1 AFC Wild Card team has had more that 5 conference losses (and only the 07 Titans got in with more than 4 AFC losses). Say we fire Sparano. Do you actually think any interim coach is gonna go 7-1 or better against Buffalo (x2), New York (x2), New England, Oakland, Denver, and Kansas City? Furthermore, do you think any interim head coach is gonna go 4-0 against the NFC EAST?! Say we go out and go 7-1 against the AFC teams. We still would have to go 4-0 against the NFC East just to get to 11-5. I would give my left arm to see that happen but I am not deluded enough to think it will.
We will win games this year (WE won’t finish dead last, I guarantee it) but to win 2 extra games may make you feel real good until you realize we are out of the top 10 picks and may have lost any chance to draft any of the blue-chip QBs in this years VERY STRONG Qb class. How happy will you be then? Don’t you see that the only difference is that you want to win a few extra games THIS YEAR while I will gladly give up 3 wins this year to have a winning season on a perennial basis over the coming decade.
I DON’T GIVE A FLYING F**K WHO THEY REPLACE SPARANO WITH. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON IN THIS ORGANIZATION IF IT MEANS WINNING EVEN JUST ONE MORE GAME, I WANT HIM REPLACED.
If ANY other person in this organization agreed with you, Sparano would already have been fired.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 29, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

My take

This is way too early for me to want to “suck for Luck.” I would absolutely love Luck to end up in Miami, but I’d rather Miami have to trade up with the team that owns the #1 overall. I’d rather have someone like Jacksonville suck to the end to get the pick because they have a first round QB.

Now, if it comes to Miami is 3-12 and someone else is 4-11, then yes, I may hope for Miami to lose the final game to secure the spot. Maybe. But if I did, I’d want it to be a close as hell game where Miami looks solid. Being that the final game is against the Jets, I don’t think I could ever hope for a loss. That’s just too tough. Maybe if it was someone like the Giants (a team I like) or a tough team like GB…

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a reason...

Sun Life Stadium is not packing seats! Do you think Ross cares about football? No. He cares about money, and when he starts losing money he has two options: 1. Sell the team to a competent owner. 2. Move the team to a hungry city.

LOS ANGELES REALLY WANTS A TEAM! TORONTO REALLY WANTS A TEAM! This is not something that should be toyed with. Henne lovers and haters, every one, would be heartbroken if The Dolphins ever left Miami.

Do not seriously entertain the idea of purposefully throwing a season so we can get Luck. The potential repercussions are devastating.

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Fins aren't leaving Miami.

That is an absurd thought. For one, Ross owns Sun Life Stadium. You think he’d even want to move to a location where he shares money with a city? No. Plus the NFL would have to approve it and there are far more teams in line for LA. Toronto is a near automatic kill because they’re in Buffalo’s market. Buffalo would fight tooth and nail and the NFL knows moving any team not named the Bills to Toronto kills the franchise.

As far as firing Sparano helping sales, well, firing him during the season won’t put more fans in the seats. In fact, more fans will just write off the season and not show up.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Cleveland ever thought The Browns would leave?

No. The absurd thought is maintaining that it could not happen. It’s naive.

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were more things involved with that than would be involved in Miami

Modell never wanted the Indians to play in the same stadium as the Browns, even though he still collected all revenue brought in from the stadium, even for baseball games. This deal was done early on when Modell signed a 25-year lease to the stadium that allowed him to collect the stadium revenue.

Modell foolishly thought his revenue wouldn’t drop after the Indians moved to Jacobs Field in ’94 and was furious when they did. He was peeved because the Indians moved to a new park and the Cavs received a new arena so he wanted the city to pony up $175 million for the stadium he leased.

Modell was already peeved and agreed to move to Baltimore before Cleveland voted on the renovations.

The Browns were already a poor performing team and they were not having any sudden attendance issues. They didn’t move because of concerns you mentioned above.

Obviously, this is not a factor for Stephen Ross because he owns Sun Life Stadium. Not only is a he a business owner for the Dolphins, but he is the business owner for the stadium. He would not vacate the stadium and move somewhere to a place he would have to pay lease and/or share stadium revenue. He’d lose even more money by doing such a move.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 28, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are awfully paranoid Joel. Ross won't be going to L.A. If anybody is moving to L.A. its the Jaguars.

Moving the Dolphins out of the AFC East makes no sense since you would lose those historical rivalries unless New England, New York, and Buffalo vote to fly across the country to play a divisional game and Ross feels it’s economically sound to fly his team cross-country 3 times a year for divisional games. Ross owns the stadium and collects revenues from Dolphins AND Hurricanes games and has gone to lengths to establish a product here. He is going nowhere and definately won’t skip town if we are getting Luck. There also won’t be any purposefully throwing the season unless Ross has signed off on it so that is a non-factor.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 28, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even though you live out there,

I don’t think you really do :P

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

but why should we dump Sparano now and create even more chaos in the locker room?

There is no chaos in the locker. Thats just it there is NOTHING going on in the locker room. No heart, no will, no motivation, no nothing.


I don’t want to endure another year even remotely close to 2007

We endure that because we STUCK with the coach till the end of the season. We have lost 6 straight and the the next 2 games are promising to make it 8 straight = half a season. I’ve seen NOTHING to make me think things will change anytime soon.

Why keep riding on a flat tire when you can put a spare on till you can get to the store to buy a new one?!

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by Neo on Sep 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So are you under the impression that we can still make the playoffs if we fire Sparano after the San Diego game and install an interim heading into the bye week?

Otherwise, there is no reason not to finish the year with Sparano and let the new regime start with some nice high draft picks.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

But I am under the impression that this team can’t win with Sparano and I’m not really into sucking for sucking’s sake.

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A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
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by Neo on Sep 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,
I’m not really into sucking for sucking’s sake.

I guess that is one thing you and my vacuum have in common

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Alpha6 on Sep 27, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not my quote but not bad.
Why keep riding on a flat tire when you can put a spare on till you can get to the store to buy a new one?!

Answer: Because store A would give you a new tire at a cost of $88 but store B one extra mile down the road would give you the same tire, oil change, air filter and brake job for the same $88.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

that was my bad, wrong button. But there wasn’t anything I could do after it posted so…

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by Neo on Sep 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The spare tire (interm coach) wouldn't cost you anything

and it wold be safer and get you down the road a lot further than continuing to ruin the rim by going down the wrong on this flat (Sparano).

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by Neo on Sep 27, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I did think of those football-auto service correlations when I wrote the original reply to Neo.

I would also like to add the complimentary air freshener to replace the stench of losing winnable games like we were some garbage franchise.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

A swift boot in the ass in the direction of the nearest exit.

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Henne is a symbol of a failed Regime

Doesn’t matter how good he plays, he’s gotta go!! & we start fresh with Landry or Luck

Randy Shannon owes me a Liver.

by SSFDballer on Sep 27, 2011 8:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ooh, Front Page. Thanks.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Good points

Henne might not be a bad QB, and he might even be a top 10 QB…but if Luck is as good as they’re saying, you simply CANNOT pass on talent like that.

And for those of you who are saying that we have many other holes besides a QB and that a QB won’t fix our team…just take a look at the Colts, without Peyton Manning they’re a bottom of the league team. That’s how much of a difference a great QB can make.

by BrasilFin on Sep 27, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

No, Aaron Rodgers was elite and was on fire through the end of the playoffs

He was unstoppable against Atlanta, without Rodgers, the packers do not win a super bowl.

"The Reggie Bush Experience" coming this fall !

by sonnycrockett on Sep 27, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

OK then, prior to his post-season success

He wasn’t elite prior to the post-season win over Atlanta followed up by the NFC title and then the Super Bowl.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He already had a stellar year prior to the Super Bowl win.

He was considered great by most, and close to, if not already, elite by some.

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Draft The Newtron Bomb!

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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a tier below elite

But they still knew he was young QB and had loads of potential. It’s not like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady were considered elite right off the bat.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our secondary is average at best (middle of the pack but growing) and only looks worse without a pass rush. No linebacker depth, no vertical threat at TE, and offensive line is too big and slow except for pouncey and long who I think are both great. So we have holes and to add to that, the coaches are showing no creativity with the formations and apparently ( according to some) can’t even agree on how to call the game.

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by sonnycrockett on Sep 27, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I'LL GIVE HIM 1 MORE LOSS THEN....

I’m starting the official “Bryan Cox as Interim Head Coach” Bandwagon!

Born in Miami, I bleed Aqua & Orange! I'm now stuck in CT, smack in between the "Jests" & "Patsies". I stand alone on PhinPhan Island, the lone sunny spot in an otherwise cold & dreary New England. (HELP, I'm surrounded by liberals!!) and it's cold..... too damn cold.....

Zman

by Pianomanzz on Sep 27, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

I can’t imagine Henne would last long with Cox as coach, first time he tossed a critical INT he would probably rip his head off.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a Football minded coach for Fisher Sake..

Forget the Draft we need a HC who knows what to do with this team and knows alot about football because with this bone head owner he will for fold to anything they tell him..Please go get Jeff Fisher he’s hope and a skip away.. just do it and don’t look back.then once the Coach is in place let’s go into the Draft. PLEASSSSEEEE. Wow it’s like pulling teeth with this franchise…

by Henry M on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

So go talk with Fischer, nail down a verbal deal to take over as the new head coach next year and fire Tony on January 4th (after his exit meetings with the team) and Fischer will have 4 months to prep for the draft just like EVERY OTHER COACH IN THE NFL!

Honestly, everyone just get over Sparano. He WILL be fired that is a given. People here (Not you specifically Henry) are acting like if we dont fire Sparano he will magically turn this team around in the next 13 games and lead this team to the playoffs and save his job. Miami could go 10-3 the rest of the way and not make the playoffs and they would have to go 8-5 just to post a .500 season. Sparano cannot save his job without making the post-season so quit worrying about it.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you make a lot of sense here, FinReaper

But I’d rather address our QB position now and lock it up for the next decade (whether it’s Luck, Barkley, Jones, etc.) and then deal with the rest of our position holes later in this draft. And if we have a high pick, then we can use our high 2 on a safety like Ray-Ray Armstrong or a right tackle like Levy Adcock or a monstrous left guard like Cordy Glenn.

Time to unleash the Greatest Show on Surf!

by kmb8488 on Sep 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

And believe me, I don't want to have any holes on this team

But after watching us fail to get to even get deep in the playoffs when we had an absolutely loaded defense and a shat QB in the early 2000s, I have no interest loading up the rest of this team while the quarterback position remains a big question mark. No, thanks.

Great post, though. I appreciate your thoughts on this matter.

Time to unleash the Greatest Show on Surf!

by kmb8488 on Sep 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL I am laughing at you right now but not because of your points. Those are dead on as

usual.

By the way I may start the K Beebe for GM bandwagon. Or at the very least the Keith to replace Mondo wagon.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 27, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh, I'll take Salguero's position. It's time to bring class and style back to the Miami Herald!

I just think we can right a lot of things this offseason if we play our cards right (of course, when does that ever happen?). If a coach like Bill Cowher is in place, then Ray-Ray might as well just start buying Dolphins swag early.

Not to instigate, but I’d also be cool with dealing Marshall for a 2 and 3 to Chicago (who will be looking for ANY way to mollify Jay Cutler) and then rolling into the draft with a 1, two 2s and two 3s. That would be a nice springboard for the next regime, yes?

Time to unleash the Greatest Show on Surf!

by kmb8488 on Sep 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

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by texascowpunk on Sep 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would be yes. Marshall has killed us this year with those dropped TDs.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's just a jackass, and part of our RZ problem stems from the fact he demands the ball be thrown to him on every down inside the 20-yard line

Which would be a no-brainer if he could actually hold on to the ball. However, the moment I decided I had seen enough of Marshall was last Sunday, when he watched a throw sail over his head and didn’t even make a move to go up and get it. Even if it’s too high, at least make the f’n effort. He’ll be punting footballs in practice soon. Therefore, it might be an ace move for the FO to get some team like Chicago to trade a 2 and 3 for that No.1 wideout they so sorely lack.

Time to unleash the Greatest Show on Surf!

by kmb8488 on Sep 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree and applaud your bravery in stating this.

Now tense up because the bashing and attempted ass kicking is on its way.

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by texascowpunk on Sep 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about the one that went right through his hands in the end zone and the announcers are saying what a great defensive job Haden did.

Then, of course, Randy Cross sees the replay and is like, “Oh, I don’t know. I don’t think Haden touched it.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a serious weakness at cornerback.

Behind Vontae Davis we really dont have suffucient depth at the position at all, which is a huge liability in the NFL.

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by civwarbuff on Sep 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. +1

Time to unleash the Greatest Show on Surf!

by kmb8488 on Sep 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really think with this pass oriented NFL

That teams should consider carrying 6 CB instead of 5 and at least 3 starter caliber corners.

by sdelinois on Sep 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No argument here. My thought in every option left open the ability to draft in the top 10 which should still get us Landry Jones. The ony issue was if Henne continues to improve do we draft Luck and get rid of Henne or . . .

draft Luck and let him sit behind Henne for a year to help him acclimate his game to the next level.My main goal would be to address BOTH the QB (Jones unless Henne goes on Marino on us the next 13 games) as well as pick up extra picks in the second and third rounds. My whole notion was should we draft Luck and whoever else at picks 33 and 65 or do we draft Jones at say 8th, and then players at 33, 40, 65, and 72. I just don’tknow if Luck and 2 guys trumps Jones and 4 guys.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Get the highest possible QB in the draft and keep Henne. Worst case scenario … our first round rookie QB is a backup for awhile.

by Zsnoop on Sep 27, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henee is a FA after this year

There is no keeping him when we draft a QB.

by sdelinois on Sep 27, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he isn't capable, who is gonna want him? Lock him down before the draft to a 2-3 deal with as little guaranteed money as possible.

He hasn’t exactly shown enough to demand a big $$$ contract and if he does show that between now and January we won’t need to draft a QB.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he will want to

test the market, and I don’t think Ross can get away with Henne as starter for another season. Ross wants to sell tickets, having Henne a symbol of failure around another year would be ill advised.

by LordBishop34 on Sep 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The new paradigm in the league starts with having a franchise, elite QB.

Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning are the QBs who have won Super Bowls in the past 5 years. Super Bowl losers from those 5 Super Bowls include Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Rex Grossman (carried by the defense).

Look at that list and ask yourself if Chad Henne will ever be Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger, or if this Miami defense will ever be great enough to shoulder him the way the Bears did Rex Grossman.

Personally? I highly, highly doubt it.

by AlmightyHamSandwich on Sep 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly? Don't know. Henne is improving more and more.

Also of note. You mention Eli Manning as elite. Do you want to retract that statement?

Over first 31 starts (Henne’s game against Tennessee last year being counted as a start)
Manning went 539 of 996 (54.1%) for 6,524 yards with 44 TDs and 37 INTs = 73.7 QB Rating
Henne went 626 of 1,030 (60.8%) for 6,861 yards with 31 TDs and 35 INTs = 76.4 Rating
IF Manning could become “Elite” then why can’t Henne given the same weapons?

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

13 more TD's is a BIG DEAL

Henne crumbles under pressure and cant get it done in the RZ. Manning has issues of his own, but not the same ones as Henne that keep handicapping us game after game

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by Ben Bacon on Sep 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Henne crumbles under pressure, but he just lacks the awareness and instinct that defines great QB play in the red zone

Guys like Brees, Brady and Manning have a clock in their head that tells them how they can hold the ball in the pocket. Henne, while certainly an improved product this year, is usually a quarter-second late in his ability to identify the open man and get rid of the ball, and that has killed us inside the 20-yard line.

Time to unleash the Greatest Show on Surf!

by kmb8488 on Sep 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game was on the line and he needed 10 yards for a potential game winning FG

What do you call that? I call it crumbling

and I totally agree with you though

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by Ben Bacon on Sep 27, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I call it retarded coaching.

You have over 40 seconds on the clock, 1 timeout, a running back averaging just under 5 yards a carry, and you need no more than 12 yards for a safe (within reasonable range) game-winnig field goal and you have a defense playing the pass but you don’t send in a single run play? The defense was sitting down on passing lanes but we never attempted to run it (Like on 2nd down perhaps)?
Instead we forced Henne to beat specified coverage and he failed to do it. Yes, Henne crumbled but who caved in first, Henne or the dumb@$$e$ with the headsets?

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair point

however I say both

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by Ben Bacon on Sep 28, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

13 more TDs is a big deal? Now the question at hand is why does Manning have so many more despite having 87 fewer completions and 2 more INTs despite having thrown only 34 fewer passes? Our power run strategy didn't help any.

Also if Marshall could hold onto a ball in the end zone Henne would have 4 more TDs this year and 9 more TDs over 31 games (0.3 per game) boils down to 1 more TD than Henne every ~3.5 games which isn’t exactly staggering.
Also, 1 more TD every 2.38 games (roughly 143 minutes of game time) is not a BIG DEAL.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

we wouldnt have been 7-9 last year

or 0-3 this year if Henne was averaging just one more every 2 games

and im tired of saying his wideouts let him down….next Im gonna be told that theres construction at the house next door and its keeping him awake at night and hurting his play

please, EVERY QB goes through the same damn issues

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by Ben Bacon on Sep 27, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Provided he has them in the games you are counting. What if Henne has another TD against NE? Still doesn't mean we win.

Same thing can be said for all 7 wins last season. More to the point you could point out that our defense gave up 17 points to Cleveland without Peyton Hillis even being in the stadium.
It’s funny, I too am tired of saying his wideouts let him down and waiting with baited breath for the game in which it doesn’t happen. Marshall catches the TD that hit him square in the hands and we win beat the Browns. Is it Henne’s fault Marshall missed one that was put right on the mitts? Every Qb goes through these issues but it’s not usually the alpha WR that keeps doing it (and then saying give me the d@mn ball afterward) each game. You don’t want to put blame on the WRs but are quick to note that if Henne had 1 more TD every 2 games we wouldn’t be 0-3. Marshall has dropped a TD in EACH game. Not 1 for every 2 games but 1 each game! You cannot just excuse Henne’s main red zone threat disappearing in the red zone and maintain objectivity. Has Henne screwed up passes? Well, DUH! He has also made passes that have been dropped. It works both ways.
Another thing that begs to be asked in addressing our red zone woes is what happens to the run game? We have a rookie averaging just under 5 yards per carry but somehow can’t seem to punch one in. Obviously this wasn’t the case against NE but that’s 2 frustrating games now.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i put blame on the wideouts

all Im saying is that Henne is part of the mess

the coaches, the secondary, the lines, henne, marshall at times, bush

all parts that make up one giant mess

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by Ben Bacon on Sep 28, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

So here is my last question and then I'm going to sleep. If you could only fix one of those 7 problems which one do you think would have the greatest impact on this team?

I’l go with the coaches.
More specifically I would go Coaches—>Secondary—>Marshall—>O-Line—>Henne—>D-Line—>Bush (Bush would be higher but the coaches are the real reason he is part of the mess since they missuse his talent).

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 28, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good to me.

I may switch BMarsh and O line though.

My thinking is once the main thing, the coaches are fixed, the other options will become less problematic.

by phinsphan85 on Sep 28, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we forgetting something??

you HAVE TO have the #1 overall pick to draft luck – he’s going first overall. right now no one knows who will have that pick. too early for this conversation.

by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude Please. Sparano couldn't come up with anything even HALF as creative as the Annexation of Puerto Rico.

Icebox could probably help with our pass rush though.
Hot Hands could probably teach Marshall how to hold on to a TD too.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Luck WILL save this team if were lucky enough to draft him

write that in stone

With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
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Please, call me Bacon

by Ben Bacon on Sep 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll probably pass out if we get Andrew Luck. But I am honestly cool with Barkley, too

I’ve warmed up to Matt Barkley over the last month. He controls that under-staffed USC offense with a strong pimp hand, and his arm, while not elite, is strong enough to make all the throws. His throwing motion actually reminds me of Tom Brady. Win-ning.

Landry Jones would also be a nice pick, but Spread offense QBs make me nervous.

Time to unleash the Greatest Show on Surf!

by kmb8488 on Sep 27, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to watch Barkley some more

to be honest Ive ignored him since hes a USC QB and I dont think I should. As nicky pointed out to me, carrol is long gone

and yes, I myself would have a permanent grin on my face for months and then go to each SBnation football blog and say how much they can suck it if we get Luck

With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
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Please, call me Bacon

by Ben Bacon on Sep 27, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Jones is my second choice as of now after Luck

Hes running literally the exact same offense as Bradford, who has a bright future ahead of him…and arguably Jones is a better prospect from many different angles

With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
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Please, call me Bacon

by Ben Bacon on Sep 27, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suitable is not good enough anymore in this league

Andrew Luck will bring hope to this team and thier fans. I will probably pass out too kmb8488, as I did when we picked in the first round Tedd Ginn and his family. I am not sure that wasn’t the worst first round pick ever.

The Trent Dilfer Days are over, suitable is not good enough in this league anymore!

by msdolfan on Sep 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I was too busy being pissed off to pass out.

NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs

There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.

by TheFinReaper on Sep 27, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we get the 1st overall pick and don't draft Andrew Luck

I will personally go and bitch slap every single member of the Dolphins organization. From Stephen Ross to the janitors, my pimp hand will introduce itself to their faces.

Forget trading back. Trade every pick or player we have to move up and get the best QB we can. You can win with stop gaps at every position except QB. We MUST draft a qb in the top 1-8 picks. Even if we finish middle of the pack we have to move up.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 27, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

also don't kid yourself

no one would give up a 3rd or 4th for Henne.

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 27, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

AHHHHHH!!!!

If the Dolphins have the first pick and don’t get Luck…I will start killing PUPPIES!!!!!

by Daniel Suarez on Sep 27, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Ill definitely kill something

and probably give up on football forever

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"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
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Please, call me Bacon

by Ben Bacon on Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft Luck. Henne is a Free Agent

Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. In addition to his tremendous skill level and playing in a pro style offense, he can scramble and run. This guy is a phenomenal athlete. Watch last year’s USC game . Dan Marino and Peyton Manning are more similar than Manning and Luck. Remember neither Marino nor Manning can run like Elway or Luck. If we have the worst record this is a no brainer. You do not trade draft choices when you can draft a franchise QB. IMO this guy is rated higher than Manning and possibly Elway himself. Remember when Elway and Marino came out in the 1983 draft, Shula had Elway ranked 1st and Marino ranked 2nd.

by sundevil11 on Sep 27, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody is comparing Luck to Manning

Just saying he’s the highest rated college QB since Manning.

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by Finhead83 on Sep 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counting the days – Mangini coming soon to coach the fins…….good thing or not…what do you think???

by jamescafe on Sep 29, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Not happening.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 29, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Passing on Luck would be moronic.

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