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Dear Chicken-Littles: the sky is not falling.

I have not checked this site since the Texans loss, specifically because I have come to expect the same whining from the "fanbase" since Henne overtook Pennington. The Phinsiders used to call such whining fans "chicken-littles". Out of a purely emotional reaction to losing, some fans genuinely believe that the sky is falling, and that sabotaging the season to draft a top QB is the best course of action because our team is not capable of winning, or second-guessing using the perfect 20/20 vision of hindsight as a means to criticize the team. How retarded.

Star-divide

 

This article is not written to convince those who still don't think Henne is good enough even after throwing for 400+ yards in a game and who has a near-identical career trajectory as Drew Brees. He will never be good enough in their minds. You are allowed to be skeptical of Henne, and I am not saying Henne is the next Manning. But the following analysis, which I have similarly done in a previous fan post, attempts to indicate that (i) Henne is good enough to win frequently, (ii) why we haven't won a game, (iii) and what we might be able to do about it. To place the failure of the team to win on the shoulders of Henne is abominable and is just pure emotional overreaction. 

 

Why, then, are we 0-2? Two simple reasons: (a) pathetic red zone conversions and (b) sloppy defense. Put another way, our poor pass defense so far -- which highlights how critical Chris Clemons is to the secondary, and how poorly conditioned our defense is entering the season -- has not been able to hide behind the scoreboard because we have not been able to score enough touchdowns. The Patriots, for instance, have been able to mask their weak pass defense (they are ranked 31st, we are 30th) with a monster offensive attack, and that is why no one is panicking that they have given up so many passing yards in two games and instead are crowning Mr. Ugg (Tom Brady) the MVP and the Patriots as super bowl favorites.

 

The points on the scoreboard do not prove our offense to be top-10 caliber, but it is. Even behind a mediocre offensive-line, and a paltry 3rd-down conversion percentage (3rd-last in the NFL), we are offensively successful. We are ranked 10th in yards/game; practically 10th in first downs per game (10.5 1stdowns/game where 10th place is 11 first downs/game); and 7th in the league in red-zone attempts per game. The change in offensive coordinators has been a boon to the offense, and to Chade Henne. Also, judging by Daniel Thomas's success last week, Sparano should be credited for building a tolerable o-line that he believes will only get better as o-lines do -- this is from Sparano, who was an o-line coach in the NFL; in other words, as expert opinion as there can be (something to consider for the chicken-littles).

 

So what's the problem on offense? We are 22nd in red zone scoring percentageThis wonderful article illustrates how much we have struggled inside the 20. What is especially troublesome are the two inside-the-five possessions that amounted to zero points. If we convert those drives, we add an additional 14 points to our bottom line. Good enough for 11th place in scoring, but more importantly, completely different games against two playoff contenders.

 

Our red zone woes are nothing new. But at least we are finally getting there now, higher than any season under Sparano -- evidence that Henning was what was stalling our offense from last season. How, then, do we convert?

 

1) Daniel Thomas. Contrary to popular belief, with drafting Thomas, the Front Office has shown that it has the capability of finding talent every once in a while. I'm sorry, but how many rookie running backs hit the century mark in their first game behind a suspicious offensive line?

 

You might be thinking to just throw Daniel Thomas at the end zone and hope his sexy yards per carry will lead us to glory, like how we grinded out TDs at a phenomenal red zone conversion rate in 2009. Looking back at the play-by-play, our OC Dabboll completely ignored this strategy against Houston. I think this will definitely be tried now, giving us another attacking dimension, despite my belief that it was ignored because the o-line cannot get a push against an over-stacked box like they can at the 50 yard line where the pass has to be respected. Yeah, you heard me chicken-littles. Thomas got his yards partly because of Henne and that air game (when was the last time the Miami Dolphins drew a 40 yard pass interference penalty, like Gates did?). 

 

2) Anthony Fasano.The top TE's in the league earn their money in the red zone. Fasano has had amazing success there when used, like in 2008 when 5 of his 7 tds were from inside the 20 on ONLY 11 TARGETS. That is elite. Last season, he had 3 tds in the red zone on 8 targets through week 15, and he accounted for almost 20% of our total TDs. His high red zone TD percentage shows the miss-match potential he has. The question then is: why isn't he used in the red zone more? I honestly don't know. But my guess is that he has been used to block against blitzes.

 

3) Reggie Bush. Theoretically, short passes to Reggie are what he is supposed to excel at; or having him move into the slot from the backfield. Also theoretically, screen plays should get him in the end zone. In short, how many times has Bush been the number one option in the red zone? I only count once. Screen plays may be an issue for our slow o-line, however. See Vernon Carey running (now you know why he's at RG now): 

 

As implied with my listed options not being incorporated, Dabboll and Henne have been heavily relying on Marshall and the WRs in the red zone. Brandon has 9 red zone targets already, out of his 23 overall targets, but only one TD. It isn't a bad thing to target your No. 1 receiver so often, but I suggest a "less-is-more" approach, because the defense knows what's coming, and is forcing Henne to make difficult or next-to-impossible throws to Marshall. Using our other non-WR weapons in the red zone will actually give him more opportunities to score on single-coverage.

 

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So having suggested what can be done on offense, what can be said about the defense? Other than being ranked dead-last in yards allowed per game? Conditioning is basically the problem. 

 

1a) We have a battered secondary, which I believe is caused by poor conditioning and which have been exposed to be extremely thin; basically, we have been burned every time our 2010 starters are subbed out.

 

1b) While I don't think Reshad Jones is a bust (his timing is exponentially off, but that just shows you how fast the NFL is versus college), Chris Clemons is a superior player for the time being. He does not let receivers get behind him. I strongly believe that when he returns, our secondary problems will be solved.

 

2) Our front 7 is not getting any sort of attack (when vontae davis has to blitz, you know that's not a good thing) and tires quickly in the 4th quarter. Two games in a row running backs have been able to gash us at ease right up the gut.

 

3) The tackling has to improve, but this is all a function of conditioning.

 

Clearly, the lockout has hurt Mike Nolan's aggressive scheme. You cannot underestimate poor conditioning. But by week 4, our defense will be back in shape. Staying healthy is another issue.

 

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So there you have it. Our secondary has killed us, and our offense has stalled. This secondary is not like 2009 because we know what they are capable of from last year (8th in the league in pass defense). It will be further helped by a fitter defensive front getting pressure on the quarterback (10th in the league last year with 39). Our offense is also vastly improved, and it is an extremely positive sign to see us in the top 25% of the league in red zone visits. Finishing off those last 20 yards can be fixed by trying a different solution besides "Marshall-chucking".

 

I root for every player to succeed and help us win. Instead of lashing out emotionally at the coaches or players for failing, as is easy to do and is now commonplace, I try to take an objective approach to the team. This team has talent. Add another red zone TD conversion a game (from 2 per game as is to 3), and a stronger secondary, and a 10-6 finish is definitely possible.

 

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Nice Post

I’d also like to see Charles Clay get involved in the red-zone. Thomas, Fasano, Bush, Marshall, and Clay … I believe they can create mis-matches in closed quarters.

by Zsnoop on Sep 23, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

True

If the o-line can give Henne time to pass, we should throw all those players at the defense. How does 2 TE (clay + fasano) 2 RB (thomas + bush) 1 WR (marshall) set sound inside the 10? Throw a nickel or dime package and Henne can audible a run play. Throw us a base defense or blitz and Henne has 3 “yards after catch” threats (bush, thomas, marshall) and two mismatches on linebackers (fasano, clay).

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 23, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Optimist

We don’t believe you.

   - Chicken Little

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 23, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

LOL

With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
Captain of the "U.S.S. Andrew Luck"; Flagship of the LuckFleet
Please, call me Bacon

by Ben Bacon on Sep 24, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmfao!

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win

by 54 on Sep 24, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine

I know I may mostly be preaching to the choir with my posts. But at the very least, I hope to challenge the pessimists who are running on pure emotion, versus analyzing the results in an objective manner, and then finding either optimism or pessimism in the results. I tried to be as neutral as possible, but the facts are:

(1) our offense was horrible last year, and was the biggest question mark entering the season — they are greatly over-performing now.
(2) our defense was very strong last year and kept us in many games — they are greatly under-performing now.

Our offense will only get better as red-zone plays get drilled. Our defense will only get better as they cramp and are exasperated less. Will this certainly be the case? Do I have a crystal ball? No, but it is a rational judgment built on top of my conclusions in the post. I therefore see no reason not to be optimistic.

If you wish, I would love to hear why the sky is falling.

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 23, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent post! Rec'd

Love the optimism but we have looked awful… I agree that we can bounce back and you make good arguments as to why we can, but I don’t see enough evidence yet to say we definitely will. When I start seeing more production in the red zone, better protection for Henne, and our defense…not in last place (sigh), then maybe I’ll see a reason to believe we have a chance.

We can make excuses and say we played our first two games against potential playoff teams, but if we can’t compete with them, then we can’t make it to the playoffs.

Oh well, it is what it is. I’ll still be rooting for them regardless and hope they are able to turn this season around.

by PhinnyFromItaly on Sep 24, 2011 3:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Great summarization

You’ve hit our problems so far right on the head. I keep thinking, man, this is only 2 games into the season!! I know percentages aren’t in a team’s favor when they start 0-2, especially when the other 3 teams in your division are 2-0, but panicking never did anything for any team. Buckle down and keep the offense balanced (which keeps the defense off balance) and stick to the game plan. I truly believe we’d be 2-0 right now if our defense was playing at 2010 levels.

Go Dolphins! and Rec’d

Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.

by rintintinsoldier on Sep 24, 2011 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice Write-Up! Rec'd

It has been two games and stats can be misleading after only 2 games. Do you really think that the Dolphins D is the worst in the league?

That being said, there are some things to consider this year after the 1st two weeks in all phases of the game:

1) The Phins have faced two poor defenses from ’10 in the Pats and Texans. Both ranked at the bottom of the league in yards given up. Could they be better this year? Yes, but could that have something to do with how well the Phins offense has performed? Also, Yes.

2) If you take out the last meaningless TD in the Pats game that was scored in garbage time, the Phins have scored 3 TD’s in 9 red zone attempts in 2 games. That is actually a worse % than last year. The Phins are averaging 15 points per game (again take out that last garbage time TD), worse than last years 17 points per game. This is against 2 suspect defenses IMO even though the Texans are ranked #1 this year.

3) Special Teams is killing the Phins this year, just like last year. The return game for the Phins Sucks again. They also don’t cover kicks well, again just like last year. You want to know one of the reasons that the Phins have so many yards on offense this year? It is because they are always having to drive the length of the field.

4) The Defense still is not creating enough turnovers. They have created 1 in two games after ranking near the bottom of the league last year. Part of that coincides with pressure on the QB. Pressure on the QB creates TO’s and Wake can’t do that by himself. The only move this FO made to help with the pass rush was to get an over the hill Jason Taylor. If you look at the pass rush the 1st two weeks against 2 bad OL’s (let’s not overlook this), the Phins pass rush has been bad.

5) Sparano and the coaching staff is still not managing the game correctly, just like previous years. In the Pats game, the opening drive of the year that resulted in a TD used 2 timeouts because they couldn’t get the plays in on time. Against the Texans, in the 4th quarter down 2 scores, the Phins wasted a needed timeout on a useless attempt to draw the defense offsides from their own 20 yard line.

You call all of this whining and Chicken Little. I call it the same old shit that we have seen for 2 years: problems in the red zone, not scoring enough points, not generating TO’s, poor special teams, and poor clock / game management.

It has been only 2 games this year, but this is an extremely poor start to those games. I don’t think there is any other way of saying it. Two double digit losses at home to teams that represent the level that the Phins want to get too. That’s not Chicken Little, that is reality.

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2011 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

My reply

1) Good points but I hardly remember the offensive production we had against the Pats like this year. And did you know we are 3rd in the league in pass plays over 20+ yards? That is further evidence the offense has fundamentally changed for the better. Since they started counting in 1991, we are on pace to shatter anything Marino did.

2) You are just repeating the problem area I discussed. I have already mentioned the poor red zone conversions, but you fail to ignore that that is still 4.5 red zone trips per game. That is more than 2.5 times what we had last year.

3) Clyde Gates has the most return yards of anyone so far. (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/23/32-teams-32-observations-week-2/) And are you seriously saying this?!:

You want to know one of the reasons that the Phins have so many yards on offense this year? It is because they are always having to drive the length of the field.

Okay, this might be a bad thing for an offense that needs short fields, but it is irrelevant for our team now. Red zone trips are evidence of this.

4) Agreed, it has been bad so far. But I chock that up to poor conditioning. As I mentioned before, we were 10th in the league in sacks last year. We did get pressure.

5) We can agree to disagree here, but in countless games every season there are wasted timeouts. To me you are just being picky.

You didn’t offer to me anything convincing on why I should not be optimistic.

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My Reply to Your Reply

1) You have to take the offensive production in the Pats game with a grain of salt. 213 of the 488 total gained in that game came on the last 3 drives in garbage time. Here is the drive chart for the game: http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/drivechart?gameId=310912015
The Phins only had 2 sustained drives in 3.5 quarters of that game.

2) I am encouraged by the amount of times in the red zone compared to last year.

3) You are correct that Gates having the most KO return yards. He has at least 2 more attempts than everyone else on the list and is ranked 29 in average yards / return. That’s not good. The drive charts for both games show this. In 19-24 drives started this year over both games the Dolphins have started their drives on their own 28 or worse. On only 1 possession did they start in the other teams territory and that was on the INT against the Pats.

4) Sacks are one thing, pressures are another. Wake is the only Player that generates consistent pressure. Misi doesn’t. Taylor can in small doses. Nolan can’t blitz on every passing down and doesn’t want too because that exposes his secondary. This team in the offseason knew it needed another pass rusher and didn’t get one, that is my biggest complaint.

5) You are right that I am being picky here. But it is a pattern that has plagued this coaching staff since they have been here with these being the latest examples.

You have every right to be optimistic. Don’t let anything that I say ruin that optimism. I just feel the need to point some other things and look beyond numbers.

Stats are nice, but they don’t win football games. Players win games and they aren’t playing well in any phase right now. That to me reflects coaching and preparedness. And based on some of the players comments this week about poor practice habits, has me a little uneasy about this game.

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) I disagree – 141 yards came in garbage time, right after the Welker 99 yard td.

3) Okay, good point – I should have looked at that beforehand. The most I can say is that Gates (a) is a rookie and (b) has never returned kicks before. But still, we are getting into the red zone, just not the end zone. “Almost scoring” means nothing, I know, but it is a difference between calling for hyperbolic team restructuring, and something that can be worked on in practice.

4) I assumed that pressures are correlated with sacks (the more sacks a team has, the more pressures they also have). But you’re right about Misi, he has been a ghost. The front 7 has definitely been underperforming.

“Preparedness” can be fixed on a dime — talent and schemes which are fatal to a team take years to correct. The Dolphins don’t have fatal mistakes, just mistakes.

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 24, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice one...rec'd

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by Kdog92 on Sep 24, 2011 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Great work BAFF! Rec'd

This is a great example of a quality fanpost, keep bringing it!

What’s so ironic about everyone wanting to dump Henne and Sparano, is that they are the SAME people who complain we let go of Welker. You’d think they’d learn that sometimes you gotta let things come to fruition. I guarantee you there are many teams who will be clamoring for Henne if he keeps this up and we don’t lock him up. And with the way he’s been treated by the fans, I’m sure he’d love to bolt! THEN what will all these guys say when we put all our trust in some unproven rookie QB who very well might not pan out, and possibly some overhyped coach who will dismantle our team Saban/Cam style…………

It’s past time our fanbase prove their loyalty instead of being a bunch of whiny “what have you done for me lately”, ignorant, angry, hypocritical……………….fans (so many other words I want to use).

Being critical is great, I love the contributions of those who aren’t as enamored as I am, but you can’t overlook how completely one-sided it is. I keep saying it, but Tony is playing Whack-a-Mole (am I really that old no one knows what that is?). Only so many roster spots, so many variables, and oh yeah, he JUST got to run the team his way, but only after Ross (flippin’ idiot) totally screwed him.

I hope we can limit mistakes and the team turns it around enough to warrant another year. I’d really like to see what this roster and FO can do without the BS from the ownership and the fanbase…………..

Rookie Dolphins Fan Dylan Luc, born Oct. 26th, 2010..........Doing my part to increase the fan base......

If you hate rainbows then I hate you, or at least I like you less......

And can we just admit unicorns are actually kinda bad ass? A friggin' horse with a horn?! C'mon!! That's like the animal version of a 50cal mounted on a '69 Z28.

Driving the "If we're going down, I'm going down smilin'" bandwagon......

by Red Dog on Sep 24, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Red Dog, I love ya, but come on man!!
I guarantee you there are many teams who will be clamoring for Henne if he keeps this up and we don’t lock him up.

Name one team in the AFC that would be clamoring for Henne to be their starting QB? He would be brought in as a back-up at best. You can’t count Indy. Tenn used a top 10 draft pick on Locker. Jax is in the same boat as Tenn. Those are the only considerations in the entire conference. In the NFC you have SF and Seattle. That’s it. So at best you are looking at 5 teams, for this year only, that would consider Henne as a starting QB would be an upgrade over what they currently have. That isn’t many like you claim.

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

but you are a henne hater

We can’t trust your opinion of who will want Henne, you hate the guy. If we don’t keep him he will have no trouble finding a job and competing for a starting gig. Luckily that won’t happen since we will be turning the season around this weekend.

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Winston Churchill

Never give in, never give in, never; never; never- in nothing, great or small, large or petty- never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense
Winston Churchill

by kevyfranchise on Sep 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

What franchise is clamouring for a bottom third of the league QB?

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear 'ya. I guess "clamoring" was a bit strong lol!

But we’ve seen a lot of QBs around us round the corner (I gotta get better cliches), and assuming Henne does, their will be teams interested. Also, Carolina picked up a QB the year after they took a QB. Yes, Clausen was a 2nd rounder and they had a coaching change………wait…..that sounds a lot like what could happen here!

How about this scenario as an example-Stafford up in Detroit finally blows out his shoulder for good……Don’t you think they’d be eyeing Henne as a good candidate? Lot of fluid QB situations out there. If Henne stays healthy and finishes strong he will have suitors.

And that will P me off just like Soliai. We spend our time grooming them and making them something and then just hand them off to another team………

Yeah, I'm all "Rainbows and Unicorns", go back to rolling in your filth 'ya Chicken Littles! Win or Lose, I stand by my Fins.....(although I cry privately a lot more now)

And can we just admit unicorns are actually kinda bad ass? A friggin' horse with a horn?! C'mon!! That's like the animal version of a 50cal mounted on a '69 Z28!

by Red Dog on Sep 24, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, remember, teams get STOOPID in the offseason.

Especially for productive QBs, or QBs that show a possibility of productivity (Kolb comes to mind. And then Feeley ARGGGHHHH!)

Yeah, I'm all "Rainbows and Unicorns", go back to rolling in your filth 'ya Chicken Littles! Win or Lose, I stand by my Fins.....(although I cry privately a lot more now)

And can we just admit unicorns are actually kinda bad ass? A friggin' horse with a horn?! C'mon!! That's like the animal version of a 50cal mounted on a '69 Z28!

by Red Dog on Sep 24, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The teams at the bottom of the third tier of QB’s? Raiders maybe, vikings.

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Winston Churchill

Never give in, never give in, never; never; never- in nothing, great or small, large or petty- never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense
Winston Churchill

by kevyfranchise on Sep 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Jason Campbell for the Raiders is 10th in the league in passer rating. Chad Henne is 27th.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2011/seasontype/2

Donavan McNabb sucks. But the Vikings also drafted a 1st round QB this year. Ponder will be playing soon.

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason campbell blows and stop pulling up stats when it suits you. Stats are subjective and can be used to make any point, 64% of all people know that. Henne is going to light it up tomorrow. Also ponder stinks too

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Winston Churchill

Never give in, never give in, never; never; never- in nothing, great or small, large or petty- never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense
Winston Churchill

by kevyfranchise on Sep 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Henna has a 53.2% completion percentage

in what world is that acceptable?

With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
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by Ben Bacon on Sep 24, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that in this world it is acceptable since he is starting tomorrow. We can’t place the 53.2% on Henne, you do know what a drop is don’t you? Also throwing it away when no one is open. Just embrace Henne as your overlord and master, you will feel better

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Winston Churchill

Never give in, never give in, never; never; never- in nothing, great or small, large or petty- never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense
Winston Churchill

by kevyfranchise on Sep 24, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It's acceptable... when you're a first round pick for the Jets.

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 24, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
Captain of the "U.S.S. Andrew Luck"; Flagship of the LuckFleet
Please, call me Bacon

by Ben Bacon on Sep 24, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Campbell was also better than Henne last year. If Campbell blows, what does Henne do?

Personally, I don’t think either player is a franchise QB.

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There isn't much difference.....

…..between a fan who thinks the sky is falling, and a fan with his head in the clouds.

Henne is not Drew Brees. Fasano is not elite. They are both serviceable. The offense is performing poorly in the most critical areas: converting 3rd downs, red zone, and putting points on the board.

It’s only week 3 but this is a must win game coming up. If they can’t get a W in Cleveland, Sparano and Henne may as well put their houses up for sale.

I'M THIRSTY, WATER THE GARDEN

by closetphinphan on Sep 24, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

My reply

1) I never said Henne was Drew Brees, just that his production is a mirror image of Brees in the first three years. At the very least, this counters the impatience of those who want Henne’s head.
2) I never said Fasano was elite, but his red zone production is.
3) Who cares about 3rd downs if you are making it to the red zone five times a game? The red zone conversion is the problem, which would also help the 3rd down percentages too.

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brees went off in year 4

this is henne’s fourth year as well and he still looks average at best

as each week goes by and his numbers stay poor to average, patience is no longer part of the equation

With the 15th pick, the Dolphins select, John Stamos....'s brother!
"F*** SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS" -Nicky's reaction to the Stamos selection
Captain of the "U.S.S. Andrew Luck"; Flagship of the LuckFleet
Please, call me Bacon

by Ben Bacon on Sep 24, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henne looks good when the offensive line can make a pocket

and bad when they dont, which is most of the time. The problem has far less to do with Henne and far more to do with an inadequate offensive line.

by 1977 Blazer fan on Sep 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Weii I'm tired people whining about some people not liking directions

henne never over to pennington in anything, and failure inb the red zone is directly related to henny weather you care to admit it or not.

by JImbo111 on Sep 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i really feel we will be 2-2 at the bye week

If so, all you haters can become supporters of our current unit. We get the week off and have a big game against the jests, and who knows what there situation will be come week 6. Its time to turn this season around.

by ricenbeans82 on Sep 24, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Sparano, an offensive line expert Bwwaahaha.

 ’’this is from Sparano, who was an o-line coach in the NFL; in other words, as expert opinion as there can be (something to consider for the chicken-littles)."

This statement alone is just laughable. Sparano the great talent evaluator has produced a crap offensive line nearly every season he has been here. This is a team that cannot make a pocket or running lanes against good teams year after year. Sparano, an offensive line expert Bwwaahaha. You sir are not objective.

by 1977 Blazer fan on Sep 24, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

My reply

How do you judge if an o-line is crap? Because for 2008 and 2009, we had the number 10 and number 4 rushing offense in the entire league. In 08, the o-line gave up 26 sacks 10th best; in 2009 15th best.

They regressed in 2010 in sacks allowed and rushing yards. I count only 1 bad year out of 3. And so far, we are a top 10 rushing team, while our pass protection is 22nd. I would say that there is room for improvement, but it is nothing like how you are describing.

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post dude

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by AlejandroN on Sep 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The offensive line is crap because...

They have been unable to make a pocket or running lanes against good teams the entire time that Sparano has been with the Dolphins.
22nd this and 10th best that does not matter at all. What matters is being competitive against good teams like the Pats, and the Dolphins are not, haven’t been and wont be as long as Sparano is at the helm.
Look, this is a scoring league now. The game has changed and Sparano/Ireland are way, way behind the curve. 3 years to put Henne is the shotgun!? Only 5 step drop passing plays? No screen game?
What is the Dolphins record against playoff teams? I guarantee is is very poor because Sparano is not a good HC and Ireland is not a good talent evaluator.

by 1977 Blazer fan on Sep 24, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

That's called "moving the goalposts"

See: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

I gave you evidence which counters your claim that the o-line has been crappy overall, and now you are saying only performance against good teams is what matters. I won’t grant you that argument, as every year playoff teams and super bowl winners face maybe three or four (at most) “good teams”. By your logic, a running back that does not produce against a good team (in the instance of Ray Rice vs. PIT last year), is not good. That is ridiculous, in my opinion.

Ultimately, are you trying to say that the offensive line is what has costed us the playoffs? I don’t think so.

And we can argue that the Dolphins organization was in shambles after 2007, and Sparano/Ireland instituted old-school football as a foundation, before evolving the team. But that is off the topic. The topic here is being optimistic about the season in light of an 0-2 start.

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You asked the question; how do I judge if the offensive line is crap

I answered your question and now you accuse me of moving the goal posts? Child please.
Plus you failed to answer my question of how many good teams the Dolphins have defeated during the Sparano error, er era.

You can remain Pollyanna about the great offensive line coach.
I dont have to as I saw enough 2 years ago to know the guy is a loser. He plays to not lose rather than to win. He coaches fearfully when coaches need to be fearless. His players routinely come out flat, the offense always has to call time outs due to confusion or the play getting in late, his clock management is very poor and he is a poor talent evaluator and offensive line teacher.
Plus there are so many aspects of what I brought up that you chose to ignore like this is a scoring league now. The game has changed and Sparano/Ireland are way, way behind the curve. 3 years to put Henne is the shotgun!? Only 5 step drop passing plays? No screen game? Taking 3 years to realize the team needs speed.

The proof is in the quality of play and his overall record as a HC. This isnt fantasy football. Your statistics dont matter for shit. It’s the NFL, it’s wins and losses bub.
I could go on but you can not even hang, you have no answers.

by 1977 Blazer fan on Sep 24, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Fine, but your answer is useless

Like I already said, your answer isn’t good enough. I already mentioned that according to your logic, Ray Rice is no good because he sucks against the Steelers; according to your logic, Peyton Manning is no good because has a poor playoff record, etc. By your logic, you can’t measure individual or unit performance at all, which makes it subjective opinion on who is good and who is not. That is why statistics are used beyond wins and losses. The game is won and lost as a team, but statistics objectively help analyze individual units and players and help falsify opinions.

I didn’t answer your playoff record question because it is not my job to waste my time looking for that and it is off-topic. If you want to submit it, go ahead and look through the numbers yourself. I would be more interested in how many playoff teams have blown the Dolphins out (wins by more than 2 TD’s) and how many games have been decided by one TD or less. That tells how competitive his team is.

As for being a scoring league and your rant against Sparano, that is completely off-topic. Go ahead and write a fan post about.

by BayAreafinfan on Sep 24, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

My answer is 'useless' because you do not like it.

You are just writing in circles now and really not making much sense. And talk about moving the goal posts….I answer that statistics do not matter, wins and losses matter and you start in with comparisons to individual players!?

Coaches are not evaluated by individual players, they are evaluated by wins and losses. Your just flailing because you are unable to make a argument for why Sparano is a good coach.

You asked a question. I answered your question you do not like the answer. Dude, Sparano is not a good coach. I really do not see how you can think he is.

Trying to lean on statistics is just weak. The guy loses games with his poor strategy, talent evaluation and coaching.

AND the fact this is now a passing league is directly relevant to why Sparnao is not a good coach. Sparano has been and remains way behind the curve of what this league is now and what style is superior.

You have nothing going and can not deal with any of what I have brought up. It is fun to debate and all but I am blowing you out of the water.

by 1977 Blazer fan on Sep 24, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think you nailed it with conditioning.

Think it is the problem with the offensive line not looking good as well. Takes time to correct. The whole team just didn’t look physically ready for the demands of the regular season play. Better against Houston, but getting to the right level of shape takes longer than a week.

by MMark on Sep 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Sparano consitantly settlesd for FG's when the team needs to score TD's.

Mr FG thinks stay conservative, keep it close and win in the 4 th quarter. Yet his defense does not stop good teams and the Dolphins consistently lose to good teams with the conservative philosophy. What is wrong with this picture?
Answer Sparano/Ireland.

This is a passing league, this is a spread offense league, this is a hurry up offense league. The rules reward passing the ball and playing an aggressive style.
Sparano has to get outside of himself, his philosophy about football all his ‘teaching’ in order to make a single aggressive decision.
The man is way over his head.

it is 2 years past time to bring in a GM and HC that will model the Pats, Packers, Eagles, Chargers. Sticking Sparano is stunting the development of the franchise.

by 1977 Blazer fan on Sep 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been in the belief that

It’s the coaches who keep the team competitive, but its the players that ultimately need to step up and make the plays.

by PhinPhan910 on Sep 24, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that it is the other way around: Coaching is the difference.

I have said this before. There are 4-5 teams every year in the NFL that have more talent than the rest of the league. There are also 6-7 teams every year that have less talent. The other 20+ are basically the same talent wise. The NFL with the draft and the salary cap pretty much guarantees this fact IMO.

So if you believe the talent is the same, what is the difference between a 6-10 team and a 10-6 team? I think it comes back to coaching. Well coached teams are 10-6 and find ways to win. Poorly coached teams find ways to lose.

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by ct1361 on Sep 25, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't you always say it comes down to franchise QBs?

- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.

by Finhead83 on Sep 25, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

there went your whole post

what you call us? CLS? coined in the middle of last season.. “Sparano & Henne Lovers” .. need to post about something else..

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by E_Dove on Sep 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

since I cant delete this -

I am going to say that I am sorry.. I was & still am p***** ..

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by E_Dove on Sep 26, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Just remember it's just a game and entertainment. We all have passion for our team

but at the end of the day there are many things that are more important and far outweigh this. Besides it will get better. Better days are coming!

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by texascowpunk on Sep 26, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

just football is my one passion. I dont watch any other sports. I dont have any vices (smoking, drinking, drugs, etc;) & was going to have a long military career, which I did from 96-07, but I wanted to retire from it but I got pretty much a broken back, so I was “let go”. I guess you would say.. Miami Dolphins football is my crack (or whatever is popular these days)

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by E_Dove on Sep 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'l call you a realest

This years failure has started at the top… More poor management decisions. That makes over 10 years worth.

by JImbo111 on Sep 25, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

has the sky fallen yet?

Stop wasting draft picks on trash heap quarterbacks.

by afmo on Sep 25, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Its falling

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by AlejandroN on Sep 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicken Little Club

The clouds and everything in the sky looks awfully closer than last week………..

Long Live #13

by FINSPHANATIC on Sep 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The sky is falling... The sky is falling ....bawk bawk bawk....

Fire Sparano… bring in anyone not named Sparano to coach this team NOW!!

Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.

by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The definition of Insanity

Sparano doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Only … he’s driving US insane. Obviously … he just can’t change his spots. Did Sparano try #1 – 3 ? Nope. Bush still running up the gut. Same ol red zone plays. Change the recipe or the cake comes out the same way … flat.

by Zsnoop on Sep 25, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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