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I'm definitely not the most knowledgable guy on the Brownies from over at Dawgs By Nature, but I know a little bit and my activation period has expired, so I figured I'd get the ball rolling and start one of these threads as a return favor from the one one of your guys got going at our homebase. Im sure as the activation periods wind down guys from over there who know more than I do will contribute as well.
As an Orlando native, I grew up around people mainly cheering for the Bucs and Phins, so I'm always a little extra excited the week Cleveland takes on the Dolphins. Not to mention as a FSU alum, I've got a natural rivalrous disposition towards Miami.
Anyways I think this a game of two pretty evenly matched teams with strengths and weaknesses that may make for a pretty exciting (or grueling) game to watch. Any questions about the Browns for those who know them best?
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Why do you believe we are evenly matched?
It is the general consensus over here that if we lose to the Browns this week, we are in serious trouble. Is that the same sentiment you are getting over at DBN?
"My cats breath smells like cat food" a wise man once said...
My love for THE MIAMI DOLPHINS is unconditional...period!
Yes they think we are evenly matched...and they should
They beat us last year
They are 1-1..not 0-2
They have scored more TD’s this year
There defense has allowed less points
Bad part is Miami has all the talent…but it is what it is. If we lose this game Sparano will be gone IMO
I will definitely say Miami has played tougher teams. The Browns are 1-1 against Cinci (1-1) and Indy (0-1). You guys have had to play to 2-0 teams. Not sure we wouldn’t be in just as bad a way as yall if we had to take on Houston and NE.
I think we’re getting better week-to-week though. So much youth. Rookie at LG, DE, DT, WR, 2nd year guys at CB, S, QB, etc. All that with a new defense and offense coming out of the lock out. Each week we’re getting better.
Do you guys feel like your performance improved or not from Week 1 to Week 2?
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The run game improved
Thomas our 2nd round pick played his first game in week 2 and did very well. The rest of the team went down. We should have beat Houston
i think that we got worse offensively and a wee bit beter defensively.
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by Phinphinatic on Sep 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
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by texascowpunk on Sep 21, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
OL sucked!
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Basically what Kevin13 said… I personally feel like the Browns aren’t too far ahead or behind the Dolphins, although I have to admit I think wherever each team is now, the Browns are trending upwards and the Fins are hitting a rough spot.
We’ve won 3 games in a row against you guys, including last year, and right now we’re a 3 point favorite. Colt’s been playing well and while our offensive line is a bit of a patchwork, they looked serviceable against Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney. I’m not sure Miami’s line is going to offer the same caliber threat (I think the line is Indy’s best defensive unit), and I think part of the reason the right side of our line struggled is because both Oneil Cousins and Artis Hicks are new, and theyre still learning. Another week of reps under their belts will improve both players.
I think Peyton will have another decent game and I think we’ll start to see the Browns making more use of Cribbs as a receiver and back up HB Montario Hardesty, whos more of a change of pace from Hillis’ bruising style.
Defensively our line has impressed with rookies Phil Taylor and Jabal Sheard, Sheard sealing the deal with a forced fumble and recovery last week in Indy, and Taylor breaking up passes in addition to doing a solid job clogging the line. Match them with Rubin, who a lot of people dont know is a stud, and we’re not to shabby. Lots of work still to be done, but as a Browns fan I’m pleased with the progress. Then you’ve got a solid group of blue collar LBs and Joe Haden playing lights out with vet Sheldon Brown playing servicably, TJ Ward at safety…. I guess my point is we’re nota bunch of all stars anywhere on safety, but we’re decent. I think that kind of reminds me of your offense. I just think at home, the Brownies can pull it out and use the ground game and effective, efficient passing to control the pace of the game and win a close one.
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Theoretically our D-Line is our best defensive unit
Soliai last season was great, Langford is solid, Starks was a pro-bowler, plus we have Odrick who will be excellent. Add in our OLB Cameron Wake who had 14 sacks last season and everyone thought this would be a strength.
The problem is, they haven’t been playing the way they did last season.
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He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Browns are a 3 point favorite, ugh! That it explains it all, when was the last time we played a team where we had beaten them 3 or 4 straight times, it seems like never
Every week it’s a team thats beaten us several times in a row.
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by sonnycrockett on Sep 21, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly enough it seems as if both teams play their worst at home…so being away might actually work in the phins favor. I certainly do not see the browns as a favorite in this one, I give Miami the slight advantage, albeit slight. The Browns are going to have to beat more than the likes of Indy for me to start considering them as favorites against mediocre teams…as of right now the browns are struggling to break into that middle tier.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 22, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends on what you mean by “in serious trouble.” I think we showed we could be a competitive team last year despite the 5-11 record (wins against Saints, Pats, an infinite number of close games) but we just hadn’t taken the step to be able to win some of those games.
This year with a new coaching staff against a weaker schedule I don’t expect us to be able to take that next step, but I do think we’ll have a slightly better record.
So I don’t think you’ll be the 2nd team to lose to a 2-14 team if we do win, but I don’t think you’ll have lost to a playoff-bound team either.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Same here, I wonder if browns fans look at the dolphins as a bottom tier team?
What’s the run pass ratio been like so far? Will we see more Peyton hillis or Josh cribbs?
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We seemed to run a lot on first down last game, and we plugged away with Hillis even though until later in the game is YPC was pretty low. I think this game we’ll run more on second down and you’ll also see more of Hardesty getting carries as he only got a few against Indy and he wasn’t used properly – I think even by Shermer’s own admission.
I think you’ll definitely see more Cribbs. He had a down season last year but he’s looking like his former self so far this season. Against both Indy and Cinci he’s had BIG returns that seemed to be a block or two away from being taken to the house. IMO, its just a matter of time before he takes one in. Not to mention against Indy, he played a pretty critical role as a receiver, stretching screen plays for big yards at critical moments. Cribbs is just a freakin’ gamer, love that guy. Shermers even said he wants to get it to him more.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
No, we don’t look at you as a bottom tier team. Buffalo is in the cellar of your division until they prove otherwise. Unfortunately for you, they’ve looked strong this year. There’s a lot of season left to go, though.
We have passed more than we’ve run so far, but Peyton is still gettting his. You will see more Peyton, but we used Cribbs on a lot of screens last week and he’s dangerous in space with the ball in his hands.
The good news for you is that we will run into 8 man fronts all day, and you will have the bodies upfront to stop the run. We haven’t yet become good at getting to the 2nd level and blocking LBs.
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What's your thoughts on ex-coordinator Brian Daboll?
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Great guy. Not yet there as an Offensive Coordinator, but I think he will eventually be an excellent coach.
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GOLAN!!!!!
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Its just been a while since i’ve seen you comment. I got a bit excited.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Happens all the time.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 22, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst coordinator ever. He was great against the Pats, but horrible against everyone else.
He will have a good opening script, but ran out of gas in almost every game. He was far too conservative with us, ran far too many plays that didn’t go together cohesively and were instead a schizophrenic mess. Our routes were easy to pattern read, and we often played “not to lose.” It seemed like he was so committed to not having tendencies that he ended up not putting our players in the best position to succeed.
He did know how to run the ball, though. Players seemed to like him.
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far too conservative…
we often played "not to lose."
I’m still inclinded to lay a large part of the blame on (Browns former HC) Mangini on these fronts.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 24, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he failed to adjust at halftime of almost every game too. He could not adapt once the games started.
by rebuilding year on Sep 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
how is colt maccoy developing?
He is my backup on fantasy. Also, is peyton hillis suffering from the madden curse? How is your defense, especially against the run?
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by AnishB15 on Sep 21, 2011 6:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m loving the way Colts coming along but it’s still to early to judge. He’s got 3 TDs to one junk time INT so far this season. He’s been smart with the ball but in poor weather he’s started to lose accuracy.against Cincinnati he had a C game at best but he played very well against Indy, moving around well, avoiding turnovers (only one sack) and hitting the open man.
I think Peyton is playing pretty well so far this season, but I think Shermer is still trying to figure out how to unse him most effectively in this new offense.
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how about your D
Strengths, weaknesses?
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by AnishB15 on Sep 21, 2011 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Outside Linebackers and Safeties aren’t particularly good. End Jayme Mitchell is a scrub.
Rubin, Haden, and Jackson are players. Sheldon Brown is still getting it done. Taylor and Sheard (both rookies) have been solid (for the most part).
If you’re looking for a weakness, I’d attack the safeties and the outside linebackers. Slants and screens. Reggie Bush should have a big day Sunday (if Daboll schemes it right).
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by golanbatrac on Sep 21, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell is far from a scrub. He’s been great against the run so far. Heckert’s exaggerations aside, he’s been decent.
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Hey rufio.
Yeah, he’s better than a scrub, but I can’t help but call him anything but, given the absurd hyperbole Heckert’s been serving up.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 22, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We replaced our all world Fullback (Vickers) with a fourth round rookie. Hillis’ yards per carry are down as a result.
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lol
Same situation for us. Except we replaced Lousaka polite, the short yardage leader in the nfl last year with a 6th round rookie.
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by AnishB15 on Sep 21, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
honestly, i dont think it is as much of a problem
As I made it out to be. I think Polite, Hilliard and clay are about equal at lead blocking, with a slight edge to Polite. Hilliard and Polite are both great at short yardage runs. And Clay is much better than polite at pass catching.
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by AnishB15 on Sep 21, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea i just wanted to make the point haha
i liked polite a lot but i felt that clay was a better long term solution and obviously the FO agreed
Oh my god, you too?
It’s numbers in the box, unless you think Vickers can block two guys on every play. I mean he’s not Joe Thomas.
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Yep, me too. Love me some Vickers.
I say that he’s as good at Fullback as Joe Thomas is at Left Tackle. I don’t think you let good (and still relatively young) players go. Especially when we went two decades without a thousand yard rusher prior to drafting Vickers and had, what, four thousand yard backs in his five years here.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 22, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t blame you or even think that you are misguided for loving him but he didn’t make the 1000 yard backs by himself. His arrival coincided with running the ball and running it more effectively, but he’s just a fullback. The line, the scheme, and even the guy carrying the ball have much more to do with it than the FB does. Even if he is the JT of fullbacks (and I think a lot of people would disagree that he is), it doesn’t matter as much.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
The line is better and the schemes have favored running, no doubt. He didn’t make our backs into thousand yard rushers by himself, but he was certainly a part of it (and I think a BIG part of it).
Ignoring small sample size for this year and the change in scheme, and conceding that it’s damn near impossible to isolate and quantify a Fullbacks contribution to an offense, I find it interesting that Hillis’ yards per carry this year are essentially the same as they were last year when running without a Fullback. With a Fullback last year he gained something like a yard more per carry (I’m thinking it was 4.5 with Vickers and 3.5 without last year — I’m too lazy to go look it up right now). I think that’s what we lost when we sent Vickers packing and it’ll be interesting to see if the Hillis’ yards per carry improve any in the coming weeks (I hope they do), or if we continue to struggle rushing the football.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 23, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
And I think Shane Lechler is as good of a Punter as JT is a Left Tackle, but you have to consider positional value. I like vickers and he was good, but even in the most FB heavy offenses, the FB isn’t on the field for a lot of time. maybe ~50% of the plays, but I am just shooting in the dark for a guesstimate.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I wasn’t ignoring positional value though.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 23, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
And while having a good Punter or Fullback is nowhere near as important as having a good Left Tackle, you still want quality and proven players at those positions with less positional value. We’d likely be 2-0 right now had we signed Zastudil instead of a practice squad player.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Howdy golan – hope all is well.
I’ve been somewhat indifferent on the “Vickers debate”, but you make a good point.
Look what happened to us when we lost Hodges. There was no small measure of panic among the ranks of Browns fans (until we landed Maynard after suffering through McGee, etc.). Sometimes you don’t realize how valuable a guy is to your team until you lose him, regardless of “positional value”.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 24, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey there!
What are your thoughts on Colt’s performance thus far?
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by golanbatrac on Sep 24, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest I’m a little disappointed. His performance in the home opener was not good, although I did think he made a hell of a throw to MoMass late in the 2nd quarter which is hopefully a good sign in terms of his arm strength.
The thing that worries me is that he just can’t seem to get comfortable and settled in the pocket. I’m hoping this is just a matter of getting more familiar with the new offense, getting in sync with the receivers and the WCO routes / schemes, etc.
I think he did a pretty good job at Indy of avoiding mistakes and made a couple of good plays, and the kid can scramble, have to give him that much. But I want to see him start to put together some long drives – start picking apart some good secondaries. I’d like to see him put together some drives like he did against the Jets last year. Eternal McCoy optimist that i am I think he’ll get there with more experience.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Sep 24, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Flag for saying guesstimate.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 23, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Colt is doing pretty well. He hasn’t had that game yet where he’s been lights-out, but he’s in a system that suits him and his accuracy well. He’ll throw a lot of short passes, occasionally going deep. I will say he doesn’t look as comfortable in this offense yet, as evidenced by his lack of success in the 2 minute drill this year. Last year he was driving the ball downfield in seemingly every 2 minute situation, this year it’s the opposite.
So far, so good with the madden curse. Peyton is still dragging people forward and stiff-arming LBs onto their backs. Our line/offense isn’t doing their job around him though. Fingers crossed.
Our defense is OK right now. I think we are going to effectively play a lot of “bend don’t break.” The Colts had 4 FG (0 TD) on us last game until deep in the 4th when we were up by several scores and went to the prevent defense. We’ve looked good against the run with a few glaring exceptions, though we haven’t exactly faced world-beaters in the running game. When our defensive players each “do their job” we are tough to run on, but we are young and inexperienced so there have been mental errors.
Defensively, Joe Haden is emerging as a star and I am looking forward to seeing how he does against Brandon Marshall. TJ Ward is looking solid as a SS, especially against the run. DE Jabaal Sheard and DT Phil Taylor have flashed the ability that made them our top 2 picks in April but they are still thinking and not playing a little out there. D’Qwell Jackson had the best game of his career in week 1 but didn’t show up as much last week. He’s our best LB.
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what is your initial take on Pat Shurmur?
i know the hire was met with mixed reviews and its hard to really give the guy a full evaluation without seeing more games. Just wondering what the general feeling is around Cleveland regarding the coach.
by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 21, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions
I was wondering this too.
I live just outside St. Louis (and I think Scrappy does to, or even in the city, not sure) and so I got to see a lot of Shurmur as the OC of the Rams. A lot of the feeling around here was that he was too conservative with his play calling. I was wondering if you guys had seen the same thing in Cleveland or if it might have just been his way of breaking in a rookie QB last year in Bradford.
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by Chupathingy on Sep 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think were all willing to give him a chance. I think most of us trust Holmgrens judgment. I personally like his calm demeanor, he seems to emit a kind of quiet confidence. Te players seem to love him as well. That being said, a lot of people weren’t liking some of the things they were seeing from him the first two weeks, especially Fter the Cncy game – though I suppose anytime you lose a game like that, criticism is to be expected.
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If our team doesn’t shoot itself in the foot (7 penalties in the first quarter of the first game. First quarter…and a 20 yard punt, and a 30ish yard punt…) we will put up points. He’s been great for our offense so far, and I don’t think he’s been especially conservative.
Then again our best skill player is Peyton Hillis and we didn’t just use the 1st overall pick on a QB, so maybe I just like to see us run the ball.
I think most of us at Dawgs by Nature think Mangini wasn’t really given a fair shot, as we saw a definite improvement under him and last year’s 5-11 team was more competitive than any I’ve seen since the Browns have been back. Some are really upset about letting Mangini go.
Ultimately I think no one was extremely excited about Shurmur in particular but most are open to hopping on his bandwagon if he can win. I will tell you that I am excited about running a west coast offense. Many of us are in Holmgren’s corner, and Shurmur is his guy so I’d say a solid amount of people trust him to get it done.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Right. It’s still a bit early to determine our love for Shurmur. I’m not hating him just yet.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 23, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Who are your pass rushers that will be coming from the right side?
And are they more speed rushers or bull rushers? Our right tackle (Marc Columbo) and our right guard (Vernon Carey) have been struggling as of late, especially with speed rushers. I was just wondering what kind of matchup they will be facing.
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Cameron Mitchell and Jabaal Sheard. Sheared was our first of two picks in the second round and he seems to be developing nicely. They just switched positions too – Sheard has moved from the left side of the line (for offense, right for D) to the right, taking over Mitchells old position and with Mitchell doing the opposite. Indy was the first time we did it and it seemed to work pretty well with Sheard getting more pressure on the QB coming from his old college position.
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Jayme Mitchell.
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wishful thinking on my part?
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Hell, I’d take Joni Mitchell over Jayme.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 22, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat Shurmur moved our 2nd round pick Jabaal Sheard to playing on the right side almost exclusively. He had a great game against the Colts. mitchell is more of a run stopper and will be on the left side.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
We just switched our DEs, and they say they are keeping them this way, but who knows.
If they do stick with the way it is now, Columbo will be seeing our 2nd round pick, Jabaal Sheard. He doesn’t have an elite get-off but it’s pretty good. He’s got some speed and athleticism and a couple of nice moves, but he isn’t going to be Dwight Freeney in terms of quickness.
They’ll also see LB Scott Fujita blitz from that side, as well as (hopefully) safety TJ ward. The quickest guy out of all of the potential rushers would be CB Dimitri Patterson, who would be blizing off the slot WR if you put one out there. Rookie CB Buster Skrine is the fastest guy on our team (and we sent him on blitzes a lot in the preseason), but I doubt he plays.
Inside, I haven’t been keeping track of every down but I think DTs Athyba Rubin and Phil Taylor will occasionally switch sides. Both are very big and quick for their size, but neither is Warren Sapp.
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What kind of D are you running?
I’m guessing with Ryan it’s a 3-4, but with all the changes around the league, haven’t kept up with you guys…..
What is the strength of said D?
Of our playmakers (Marshall, Bush, maybe now D. Thomas), who could do the most damage, or rather, who do you think you guys will focus on shutting down?
And likewise, how do you think you’ll attack our D?
I’ll let others ask a few now………….
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Dick Jauron is the DC now with Ryan going to Dallas. Jaurons brought in a 4-3, which is a switch from the 3-4 we’ve been running for a few years.
I’d say the strength right now is the secondary with Joe Haden and Sheldon Brown at corners, and TJ Ward and Usama Young at S. TJ struggles a bit in coverage but hits like a Mack truck and is a fan favorite. Haden is pretty lock down, eventual pro bowler, tied for second in the league for picks last year. Browns a solid old vet, and Young is really a stop gap solution til we can find a long term answer at that position, but he got an INT vs Indy so I’m happy.
I’d say, hearing from how your using Bush (sounds like you guys arent even happy with how he’s being used), I’m most afraid of Marshall, though he will likely be matched against Haden, who’s done a good job limiting Reggie Wayne and AJ Greene this year. I’m mostly afraid (scared to death) of you guys chipping away at us consistently, chewing up clock and beating us but consistently winning on first and second down. Not as worried about lots of big plays.
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Ironically, this season we have been better at big plays and not great at ball controll
Chad Henne is tied as the league leader with 9 >25 yd passing plays.
But our 3rd% is one of the worst in the league.
This reverses the trend of the Tony Sparano era.
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He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Doh! That's right Ryan to the 'Boys.....
Yeah, we might see a return to our “3yds and a cloud of dust” type of game. Although I hope it’s more like 4+yds and a cloud of dust. Thanks!
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If you hate rainbows then I hate you, or at least I like you less......
And can we just admit unicorns are actually kinda bad ass? A friggin' horse with a horn?! C'mon!! That's like the animal version of a 50cal mounted on a '69 Z28.
Driving the "If we're going down, I'm going down smilin'" bandwagon......
We are running a 4-3. Its hard yet to put a finger on what type it is, but its definitely not a soft cover-2 (we blitz some with the LBs).
I’d say our strength is our secondary, especially with Haden who is starting to become a shutdown CB. We are also very strong up the middle against the run. our huge DTs have looked good and our mlb Dqwell Jackson has been rock solid. Your best bet running the ball would be running to the right side.
I think they will come out and try to run it up the gut against your D. probably try some PA too early. Expect a lot of 2 TE sets
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Ryan is gone (unfortunately), and we are now running a 4-3 under Dick Jauron.
If we have a strength in terms of units I guess it would be our DL? But players to look for are CB Joe Haden, SS TJ Ward, MLB D’Qwell Jackson, DTs Phil Taylor and Athyba Rubin, and DE Jabaal Sheard.
I think Marshall could do the most damage simply because he’s your best skill player. I don’t know how much they will try to shadow him with Haden, but my guess would be that limiting his big plays would be our top priority. Unfortunately this could leave a LB on Reggie Bush and/or space for Davonne Bess in the slot.
As for attacking your D, I expect a lot of our zone running plays to get your big front 3 to have to move, and some screens and PA fakes to hold your LBs and/or make them run wide. We always want to let Peyton Hillis run the ball, we always want to give Josh Cribbs the ball in space, and we will always use quick timing patterns to try to throw short passes, make first downs, and control the ball. Look out for big Evan Moore split out as a WR, especially in the red zone.
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Should we be rec'ing this so its doesn't get buried?
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If you hate rainbows then I hate you, or at least I like you less......
And can we just admit unicorns are actually kinda bad ass? A friggin' horse with a horn?! C'mon!! That's like the animal version of a 50cal mounted on a '69 Z28.
Driving the "If we're going down, I'm going down smilin'" bandwagon......
With your thinking of the two teams being almost even...
what do you expect the score to be.
And what part of your team do you see scoring the most; the run or pass game part?
I expect the Dolphins to score more on run plays and the score to be 24 -17 [Dolphins].
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I expect the score to be right around 25 points for each team. Hopefully we can limit you to FGs instead of TDs and we can score a few TDs ourselves.
Our passing game scores more, but many of us are hoping they get the ball to Hillis on the goal line a little more, and not just his fantasy owners.
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Where would u rank Joe Haden in the list of NFL CB's ?
Is he about the same as Vontae Davis?
Has colt been given enough time to throw the football? How’s the oline doing, any weak spots on it?
"The Reggie Bush Experience" coming this fall !
Rookie LG, and a revolving door of mediocre or worse players at RG and RT. Plenty of weak spots.
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on the other hand – Joe Thomas and Alex Mack are among the best in the league at their positions. SO thers that.
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Kinda like Jake Long and Pouncey...
Although Pouncey hasn’t proved it yet………
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If you hate rainbows then I hate you, or at least I like you less......
And can we just admit unicorns are actually kinda bad ass? A friggin' horse with a horn?! C'mon!! That's like the animal version of a 50cal mounted on a '69 Z28.
Driving the "If we're going down, I'm going down smilin'" bandwagon......
I would put Joe Haden pretty high, but he hasn’t really proven anything yet. I think he can be a top-10 CB but he needs to keep developing. I think Davis is probably 12-15 and mostly because of his physicality at the line. Davis will look better on Sunday because our WRs are mostly awful.
Colt has had enough time to throw with the exception of 5-8 plays (of about 75 attempts). Our healthy RTs are flat out horrible, and our Gs are both young and not great at picking up stunts and twists yet (though they have been better at pass pro than run blocking).
Colt does hold on to the ball too long at times, though. Our offense is designed so that once he hits his back foot he has maybe 1-2 hitch steps before the ball has to be out. He hasn’t been great about making his reads and delivering it on time, but he does have underrated athleticism to escape the pocket. If you guys play Cover 2 man under, he’ll run for first downs.
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Any word on Carlton Mitchell?
I was hoping the Dolphins would go after him in his respective draft class.
Great guy. Fast. Can’t catch. Never active on gameday.
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Yeah.
I’m guessing that’s why he slipped so far. What I heard of him is that he is an elite physical prospect but he’s very raw. I could see him turning into a Brandon Marshall with the proper coaching…
by DolfanVince86 on Sep 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
Well… as a FSU fan who also loves the Browns, what are your thoughts on Bernie Kosar?
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Sep 21, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Pretty much every Browns fan loves him.
He is on the broadcasts for preseason games and he provides great analysis, but we can’t tell if he’s drunk, has been concussed too many times, or both.
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I named my dog after him.
golan 3:16
by Brownie's Year on Sep 23, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay but you guys didn’t go to FSU, which was the question…… Dammit
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How does your team do in the red zone on offense?
How’s your redzone defense
and have you been winning the turnover battle?
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The Browns red zone offense seems to be centered on Hillis between the tackles and, more often than not, creating and exploiting mismatches with our power forward/Tight End Evan Moore. On the other side of the ball, the Browns have displayed the classic bend but dont break defense. Teams drive fairly easily into the red zone then sputter. But with such a small sample size (two games) it will be interesting to see how everything plays out on Sunday.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 22, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprisingly, we’ve been actually scoring TDs in the red zone this year. We tried our best for Phil Dawson fantasy owners in years past, but this year we are doing an OK job.
We don’t use personnel to get Peyton Hillis favorable matchups down there enough, but we are getting 6’6" TE/WR Evan Moore a lot of singled up red zone looks. Colt’s chemistry with his WRs isn’t good enough to consistently win down there yet, but we’ve been OK. I’d like to see us go big more often with more PA.
With such a small sample size, I’d say we are about even with the turnover battle. Our defense doesn’t seem to be particularly good at creating turnovers, though we were able to get a strip-sack and an INT last week. Our O doesn’t turn it over much, but both our RBs fumbled last week and the Colts strip-sacked Colt (we were lucky to get 2 of those back). Colt’s only INT of the year was a wet ball that slipped out of his hand and was caught by a DL.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Colt’s only INT of the year was a wet ball that slipped out of his hand and was caught by a DL.
On fourth down. I feel kind of bad for him that it even appears on the stat sheet.
by rebuilding year on Sep 24, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
since there isnt much to do in cleveland....
i think miami will win..cuz they wont have to worry about getting to south beach,and what theyll wear….pretty sure most nfl’ers arent too concerned with the rock n roll hall of fame…
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Haha.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 21, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
As long as LeBron doesn’t meet the Fins in Cleveland to show them the nightlife. Wait, that probably played a large part in why he left…
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
I would assume his mother is better at showing professional athletes a good time, anyways.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 22, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe you're thinking Dez Bryant.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
i think miami will win..cuz they wont have to worry about getting to south beach,and what theyll wear
Yeah but it might be offset by the shock of seeing people sitting in the stands.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 22, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
cleveland has fans????
phin_fan is my old account
Fantasy Football Name: Henne Given Sunday
by southfloridamammalsfan on Sep 22, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i was jk, please dont bash me guys
phin_fan is my old account
Fantasy Football Name: Henne Given Sunday
by southfloridamammalsfan on Sep 22, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
For the last two weeks, it seems like every Dolphins article at ProFootballTalk has the same picture of a lone Dolphins fan surrounded by a sea of empty orange seats.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 22, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This will be added to this weeks’ GWE.
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by Brownie's Year on Sep 23, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it still dangerous to show up at the ballgame in a Lebron James Miami Heat jersey?
or did his epic failure in the nba finals heal all wounds?
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No, now insteand of throwing things at you they just point and laugh.
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by texascowpunk on Sep 22, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
So are we not going to get any of your insane formations posts this season?
I did not always think that they would work (although some seemed genius) but always enjoyed the post and your passion.
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by texascowpunk on Sep 22, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The WILDSCAT is all I got right now
Offense is really not a problem this year…it is the defense that is a real concern.
Though I think the WILDSCAT could help in the redzone and especially inside the 10 yard line.
Just wish they would use Reggie Bush correctly…
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THE WILDSCAT (SC) _ _QB (Henne)
Yeah they need to figure out how to use Bush correctly. Not sure why they promised
him that he would be the primary back when everyone else around the league knows thats not what he is.
Where in Dallas are you again?
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by texascowpunk on Sep 22, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Arlington actually
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I don't know why we don't go into more spread shotgun looks when Bush is in the game.
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I mean I would probably throw batteries at you.
Seriously though, I don’t think we’ll ever be totally over it. I’d rather not get into this though, as it will cause my liver a lot of harm and probably subsequently get me banned from this site.
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Batteries?
I was expecting beer bottles.
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In the 80’s and early 90’s fans in the Dawg Pound would make Duracell snow balls and throw them at the opposition.
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by golanbatrac on Sep 22, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember those
Philly was also notorious for batteries. Cleveland just had the beer bottle incident that forced stadiums to start using plastic bottles. Thank you Cleveland!
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Those were plastic bottle too. But they let you keep the cap back then, so you could fill it up with piss and launch it at the refs.
by rebuilding year on Sep 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO
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at Browns stadium? Probably not, and probably not anywhere else, though I don’t know if it was every truly “dangerous”. Sure some people would possibly make a comment or boo, but thats the worst that would happen even before the finals loss.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I think most of us Browns fans were surprised-in a bad way-that Hardesty did not see the ball until late in the game in the midst of a red zone drive (where he fumbled and God, I mean Joe Thomas, recovered the ball). This week I would expect to see him early and paired with Hiliis quite often.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s shown flashes that he can be a decent back who spells Hillis and can bring a little more “wiggle” to the table as a runner. But we’re running into a numbers disadvantage and he isn’t going to drag people forward for extra yards like Hillis when he’s getting hit at the line.
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I know this might be a suprize, but we have a (new Center). What will you do in the first quarter to make things diffacult?
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate! Have you touched & preened your beaver-pelt today? There one thing that needs to be said (Miami Dolphin) i exspect you'll win!
by wild zion beaver on Sep 23, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
Haha
Always seems to work
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In terms of schemes and disguise? Probably not much. Phil Taylor will be a good test for him though.
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Better test than Wilfork?
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I don’t know if there has been any rookie as that is as good of a test for a center as Wilfork. Maybe Suh. Probably not Phil.
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Also...
Pouncey was snapping the ball to Tom Brandstater in camp. Just being around Brandstater was enough for some of it to rub off on our young center.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Wilfork and Suh give different tests.
Wilfork is over 350 pounds and will just overpower his opponents. Not to say he is sluggish, but his size hinders his aibilities in space.
Suh is very strong, but his quickness is what makes him a terror.
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