Reflecting On The Trade Of Ted Ginn
I was watching the game Seattle vs San Francisco yesterday, and I watched former Dolphin Ted Ginn Jr. virtually win the game for his team, without doing a single thing on offense. He returned a kick 100+ yards to the house, which wowed me. Then he followed that up with a long Punt return touchdown, and I thought back to how I felt when the Dolphins dealt Ginn.
The Dolphins made a trade a few weeks before the 2010 NFL Draft, acquiring a 5th round pick from the San Francisco 49ers. In order to acquire the pick, they parted ways with a former 1st round pick, Ted Ginn Jr. At the time I was outraged at the move. I couldn't believe it...trading away a 1st round pick after only 3 years? And only getting a 5th rounder in return? That sounds like your giving up on a high-potential guy a bit early, and I didn't see the logic in it.
Let's look back at Ginn's 3-year career with the Dolphins:
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Ted Ginn Miami Dolphins Receiving Stats |
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Yr |
Rec |
Yards |
Avg/rec |
TDs |
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09 |
38 |
454 |
11.9 |
1 |
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08 |
56 |
790 |
14.1 |
2 |
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07 |
34 |
420 |
12.4 |
2 |
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Ted Ginn Miami Dolphins Returning Stats |
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Yr |
KickR |
KR Avg |
KR TDs |
PuntR |
PR Avg |
PR TDs |
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09 |
52 |
24.9 |
2 |
5 |
5.6 |
0 |
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08 |
32 |
20.5 |
0 |
7 |
7.7 |
0 |
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07 |
63 |
22.7 |
0 |
24 |
9.6 |
1 |
Ginn clearly didn't live up to the expectations that he carries as a Top 10 pick in the 2007 Draft. He had a breakout season in 2008, but couldn't put it together '09. But what I see from these stats, is just this: A 3rd receiver who can stretch the field with long routes, as well as our team's primary kick and punt returner.
We all hoped for more than that from Ginn, but we traded away a solid 3rd receiver and a top returner in the league for a 5th round pick?
Ginn clearly couldn't handle the load and the burden that was put on his shoulders, as fans and the team expected him to be a top target who would produce 1,000+ yards per year. That didn't work, but Ginn would be so valuable in the receiving group we had last year and again this year (take out Gates, which I'll get to in a moment). As a defense, you absolutely can't let him go man-to-man with no safety help. Not only is he as fast a lightning, but he's actually a good route runner. He could make the little moves that could freeze a defender as he blew by. It didn't really matter that he could do that a few years ago because teams would always have safety help while the defense happily took a one-on-one with Greg Camarillo.
I said I would get to Edmund Gates later, and later is now. Sparano and Ireland are content with giving away Ginn for a 5th rounder, and then 2 years later try to draft his replacement in the 4th round. Think about it...Gates will serve the same role in the offense this year as Ginn would if he were still in town (except I'll take Ginn now over Gates now). They are both incomplete receivers, guys who are somewhat one-dimensional. Gates' role in the offense this year as the 4th receiver will be to run deep to move the safeties and stretch the field, and run some short routes and try to gain YAC with him speed. Gates might also be used on Kick Returns because he starred in college at that. If you think about substituting Ginn in for Gates on the roster, he would do pretty much the same things.
So what's the difference between them? Ginn is a proven bona-fide returner on both kicks and punts, and also is somewhat considerable as a polished route runner (watch the moves he makes in the TD video below, at :45). Gates will probably not become the type of returner Ginn is. And Gates might not even develop into a solid 3rd target reciever.
I was on Ted Ginn's bandwagon. I loved the guy, and I thought he would have a long career as a Dolphin. I knew he would never have success as a #1, or even #2 receiver. But I felt if the Phins could get 2 good targets (they did, Marshall and Bess, and Hartline too), allowing Ginn to be the 3rd or 4th guy with not alot of pressure on him, he would thrive. We all saw what he could do on returns, and he showed it again this sunday be returning 2 kicks to the house in a 49ers jersey. I think he'll be the latest Devin Hester...teams will strategically kick away from him, giving the team solid field position on a consistent basis. And we gave gim up for a 5th round pick.
I won't make this a completely negative post, however. I mean, we did use that 5th round pick to take Nolan Carroll, who is looking pretty decent right now. He was pretty decent on kick returns last season, but didn't appear to have the ability to break a big one the way Ginn can. He should also be good in the nickelback/dimeback role this season. A 5th round pick could've completely busted, but Carroll seems like he was a good pick.
Either way, I wish we still had Ted Ginn Jr., so he could be returning kicks to the house for us, and creating big-play TD magic like he did on Monday Night Football vs the Jets; and it doesn't feel like it was that long ago...
The best part of it is that he rented out Revis' Island without asking him first (and without paying).
Oh well, I'll drink some Gin(n) and forget about the whole situation. Then I'll proceed by watching the Dolphins vs Patriots tonight on Monday Night Football.
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He wasn't part of this FO,2). He was a great concern to the new owner, all the fans were complaining in high volium. Bitch moan & groan, "Owner said" enuff is enuff (get him out) of here!
Fans were saying, He goes or I do. ha ha!
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by wild zion beaver on Sep 12, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
SF can keep him
he has 1 good game…then he’s done for the season
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LOL That was my thoughts. Call me when he does something in more than one game a year and I will wake up and take notice.
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by texascowpunk on Sep 12, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not because of that one game,
I just wish Ginn was still in a Dolphins uniform, or they had given him another season or something. That one game just brought him to my attention again, and reinforces my point. And that’s his 3rd return TD in 17 games with the 49ers. Even when he’s not returning TDs, he avged 13.4 yds/PR last season.
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by BlackPack-fan on Sep 12, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I fell you. I wrote this in a fan post yesterday
Your right it is his 3rd KO return for a TD in his career
But he also has 3 punt returns for TD’s. That’s a total of 6. Since the Phins drafted Ginn in 07 only 3 players have more KR/PR TD’s. Hester with 9,Cribbs with 8 and Washington with 7. Lets take a look at what most of use would consider the top return guys in the league. Stats are from 07 to present.
D.Hester PR avg 12.4 yards 7 TD’s KR avg 23.9 yards 2 TD’s
J.Cribbs PR avg 10.6 yards 2 TD’s KR avg 25.8 yards 6 TD’s
L.Washington PR avg 9.8 yards 0 TD’s KR avg 25.6yards 7 TD’s
D.Sproles PR avg 8.9 yards 3 TD’s KR avg 25.2 yards 2 TD’s
B.Smith PR avg only has 2 PR’s KR avg 26.5 yards 3 TD’s
R.Bush PR avg 7.8 yards 3 TD’s all in 08 only 1 KR
T.Ginn PR avg 11.2 yards 3 TD’s KR avg 23.0 yards 3 TD’s
Ginn was the 1st player in league history to have 2 100+ yard KR in the same game and is only the 6th player since Gaye Sayers in the mid 60 to have a KR and PR for a TD in the same game.
Hester is the best of the bunch and Cribbs isn’t that far behind. Washington has no PR TD’s,but he does have 7 KR TD’s. Sproles has fewer PR yards,but has a slightly better KR avg. Bush and Smith are 1 dimensional. Bush a PR and Smith KR.
Ginn could be the KR/PR this team needs so desperately needs. The main problem with Ginn is he is not Brady Quinn. Look how that turn out.
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by NawlinsPhinFan on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe more than one season.
I tweeted this, yesterday, when Dolphans went apey over his 2 TDs. Ginn showed up huge in that game, sure. The last time he showed up huge? Two years ago, against the Jets.
Now, to me, a guy who makes plays on ST once every couple of seasons, and can’t catch as a WR is not a a very productive player. I’d also point out that on the punt return, he almost came to a complete stop when he got bumped on the leg by that last guy, which tells me he still panics at/on contact.
I know he has his fans, but, wow, all this “seller’s remorse” based on his biennial special teams contribution seems out of proportion.
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Well said sir!
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by texascowpunk on Sep 13, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He was worth much less than a 9th overall
but much more than a 5th rounder.
The Dolphins should have swallowed thier pride and admitted the guy would never be much of a WR but COULD in fact be a VERY VALUABLE RS.
was he worth where they drafted him? hec no everyone knows that.
Did he have tremendous value as a RS? The 2009 Jets game should have answered that sufficiently. How many games can you remember in history that a RS literally won a game for the team liike that?
Summary
They made (2) mistakes with Ginn
1) they paid too sttep a price to get him
2) they let him go too cheaply.
as for all the hate by the fans toward the guy …. I don;t get it …
by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with your comment,
We already made the mistake of taking him too high, but we knew that he could be great as a returner and good as a 3rd or 4th WR, so use him as that.
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- Royce Da 5'9"
I've always wondered if he's actually 5'9".
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by BlackPack-fan on Sep 12, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as we pick him up again...
in time for the 2013 season, we’ll get the benefit of his next big play as an RS.
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Follow the $
The problem was not Ginn not living up to 1st round expectations, it was Ginn getting paid 1st round $. Gates makes far less, which can be spent in ther areas. Ginn took a paycut to stay with the 9ers.
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did they discuss a pay reduction?
happens all the time and players are open to it in cases where it makes sense.
by scrappy the wildcat on Sep 13, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Well said. And the comments say it as well. The only thing worse than drafting a guy too high is letting him go too low when he could still provide value to the team.
Front office
The front office seems to have the mindset you are either improving or you’re out. They need to realize there are role players. Like Ginn that maybe have not met expectations but still have good value. To many good players get cut and solid veterans tossed aside.
Although I think this was more a Parcels thing than Ireland. Because now if you look at them they brought back JT, Johnson, Allen to be backups.
No offense to you guys but
The Fins should have never taken him that high. He only had 3 years of experience ever as a WR and that was in College. I thought Anthony Gonzo was the better player when he and Ted played. Gonzo had better hands, better route running. Ted ran bad routes.
He was a CB all his life. Came to Ohio State as a CB. I was shocked that he was taken in the 1st. Thought he would go early 2nd at best.
I think the old Fins regime, wanted a Devin Hester type player. And it kinda made sense. Devin was deadly back in 2006. Ginn was taken in 2007.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Sep 13, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
agree
But when they traded him his salary was like 800k so it’s not like they were dumping salary. He plays like a 3rd WR with special teams potential. Every team needs one of those guys.
I saw no reason to trade him… specially when we turn around and draft gates.
The "IF" don't exist but...
But if he was drafted in the 2nd of 3rd round he will be in the team… his curse was the "1st round" label
I agree completely.
Ted Ginn Jr. is just as much of an asset when he isn’t being targeted for the pass because he is taking away safety help on a consistent basis. It’s a fact that a lot of fans couldn’t swallow after the drops in the Indy game.
Not to mention he wasn’t a big receiver and he was consistently asked to come back and fight for the ball. That Revis video is one of the very few times that Henne actually LED him with the pass.
I was furious when we traded him for such meager value. San Fran is going to get the last laugh when they use him on kicks ALL THE TIME rather than every now and then like our FO chose to do.
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agree with you on this j311...its all been discussed. but a lot of 'it' is on the atmosphere in miami and among fans of
mocking hatred of the kid that made it easier for parcells and co. to let him go. his dropped passes weren’t anything we didn’t see from fasano and others. everyone screams and shouts for their particular favorite drafts to get a few years to develop. but as cameron’s no. 1 pick, teddy was put out on a gangplank of do or die by parcells incorporated immediately. his strong positives were bizarrely muted and his negatives amplified by the mocking chorus, and tedd’s supposed lack of grit.
the only reason to add anything to the tedd ginn discussion is to hope ‘we’ learned something, but i’m not optimistic. instead, im rooting for gates!
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