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Miami Dolphins Lose to Tampa Bay Buccaneers Behind Disappointing Offensive Line

Miami Dolphins fans are used to an inept offense; an offense that routinely struggles to move the ball down the field and put points on the board.  Saturday night's game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers demonstrated that it's possible the Dolphins will continue to struggle on offense.  

But, if the first three preseason games can be trusted, the reasoning for the struggles may be different.

Often ridiculed quarterback Chad Henne has come out strong this preseason.  So far, he is 29-for-45, with 2 touchdowns and 2 interceptions.  In fact, Henne's 10-for-13 performance on Saturday night should have been even better - all three incompletions were actually dropped passes.  More importantly, Henne has come out looking sharp, in charge, and clearly is reading his progressions, making the right decision, if not always the biggest gaining one.

But the offensive line has been atrocious.  Sure, the leader of the line, left tackle Jake Long, has not been on a game field yet, and rookie Mike Pouncey is starting at center, but the line just looks horrible.  They can't seem to pass block - allowing 8 sacks in 3 games, including 5 against the Bucs. 

The offensive line can't open running lanes - the Dolphins are averaging 2.8 yards per rush so far in the preseason.

The offensive line just can't, right now.

Star-divide

With only one game to go, a game typically used to rest starters and evaluate the last few bubble players, the final preseason game, the Dolphins' can't afford to spend the time looking for who should or should not make the team.  They need to be looking at who cannot block. 

While the addition of Jake Long back into the starting lineup will help Miami, it can't solve the problem. Long is just one player.  And, he's one player, playing on the side opposite the majority of the problems.  Right tackle Marc Colombo has proven to be a revolving door, allowing speed rusher after speed rusher to blow right past him.  

The man whose job Colombo took, Vernon Carey, has been moved one spot over, now starting at right guard for the Dolphins.  But, his play isn't much better and the team has absolutely zero ability to run behind Carey.  While the man whose job Carey took, second year guard John Jerry, seems to be relegated to a backup role, after being a third round pick last season and starting 10 of the 12 games in which he appeared.

Backup left tackle Lydon Murtha has performed well at times, in his role as Long's understudy.  But, is it good enough to replace Colombo as the starting right tackle?

The answer may or may not be on the team.  Will Long's presence solidify the play of the men currently manning the line/?  Should the Dolphins reengage former New York Giants Pro-Bowl center Shaun O'Hara, bringing him in to start at center, moving Pouncey to right guard, and making Carey and Jerry backups?

Whatever the answer, Head Coach Tony Sparano, who came up through the coaching ranks as an offensive line specialist, needs to figure it out soon.  No matter what development Henne has made since last year, regardless of the additions of running backs Reggie Bush and Daniel Thomas, if the offensive line doesn't solve their problems soon, this is going to be a long, painful year for the Miami Dolphins backfield - and us as fans.

 

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why the hell do our 5th-7th round picks perform better than our 2nd-4th round picks??

John Jerry needs to be cut now. Get him outta here. Guy doesn’t know what the hell to do on the offensive line

by Dolphinsfan23 on Aug 28, 2011 5:20 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Grab Shaun O'Hara. The guy is at least proven.

O’Hara>>>>>Carey, Jerry, Colombo. Carey is not what he used to be

by Dolphinsfan23 on Aug 28, 2011 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember the OL having trouble last preseason

so we went in playing starters in game 4 v. oh right Dallas. Thats where Jake banged up his knee… Since then this OL has been crap. I wish for the days of Jake,Smiley,Grove,Thomas,Carey. That was a solid line. Shame…

by Phins4life2334 on Aug 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Painful

that when our passing game seems to have joined the 21st century everything else on our offense falls apart.

by Maguss on Aug 28, 2011 5:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

In a perfect world...

Long – Incognito – O’Hara – Pouncey – Carey

or without O’Hara,

Long – Pouncey – Incognito – Jerry – Carey

Pouncey is truly a guard, and Incognito is a better center than guard because he cant pull and that is what he started out as. Of course this lineup only works if Jerry becomes starter worthy.

If Murtha could play guard, it would solve a lot of problems. But being an offensive linemen myself, I know that tackle to guard is not so easy. I doubt they have the time.

by Mustang920 on Aug 28, 2011 6:02 AM EDT reply actions  

what ever happened to Garner?

Didn’t we have a guy that could play all inside positions

by Phins4life2334 on Aug 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

and you know this how?

So in all of your years of NFL scouting experience and in breaking down all of the dolphins game and practice films (which do not exist to anyone outside of the facility) you have determined that pouncey and incognito should change positions lol? I love it when fans try to be personnel experts.

by jjschmid72 on Aug 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Same story as last year.

TS is going to lose his job because he is trying to fit square pegs in round holes. To bad TS seems like a good guy. The only way to fix this problem is for TS to realize he has a problem. It maybe to late for him to admit this error. We are going to see Ireland Churn the roster in a week. So get ready for that one folks. If TS wants to fix this problem its simple. PUT YOUR PLAYERS IN THEIR NATURAL POSITIONS. An go get either Waters or O’Hara.

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by FinFanFromCA on Aug 28, 2011 6:39 AM EDT reply actions  

THIS JUST IN... Tampa's D-line is pretty good

I guess that is what investing back to back 1st and 2nd round picks in D-lineman does. Not as worried as I was when I think about it… But we still need to make some changes…

Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.

by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 28, 2011 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

THERE IS A REASON FOR OL PROBLEMS !!

their was no OTAs and TRAINING CAMP this year and i think

 the OL is really affected by it ,all the teams in the nfl are affected.

 i know coach TS is a OL specialist but he really don’t have the time

 this year to play guys in different positions.

 coach TS will have to plays guys in the positons they play best…

by Dolfan77 on Aug 28, 2011 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Pretty much sums it up.

Saprano USED to be an O-line coach…he’s a head coach now so he’s responsible for the whole team….Morris USED to be Tampa’s DB coach, how’d their secondary look? Are the Tampa fans calling for his head?

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

there is also another reason

lack of talent particularly on the right side.

i have been saying COlombo won;t work as a starter since the day they signed him ….. most people on this site kept saying “he’ll be fine he was hurt last year” or “when Long gets back Murtha will slide over to RT and all will be good”

they spend a 1st rounder on an interior OL and it still does not look like enough to me – they should have drafted a RT too instead of the burning fast WR.

by scrappy the wildcat on Aug 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

WITH FINFAN FROM CA ... STOP Messing Tony.

QUESTION … Was Carey moved to Guard due to his own performance or to help the team who’d failed to find a decent RG and accomodate Marc Colombo at RT? I think the latter. Put Carey back where we know he can play and find an RG!

Sparano knowa O Line play right? De Guglielmo coached a fantastic O line with the Giants that won the Superbowl. What do they know that we’re missing????

by Armchair QB on Aug 28, 2011 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Did you watch Carey get continually beat around the end last season like I did?

Carey is too slow to stop any speed rusher. He moved him inside because he realized that, and that he can still be productive in there for a few more years.

Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.

by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 28, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

he graded out WAY better than Colombo last year

making your argument against Carey even worse when you consider who is replacing him.

by scrappy the wildcat on Aug 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carey is not the Answer. Quit making excuses. His play has gone down hill the last 2 years.

Carey was shifted inside because his lateral movement sucks. He is big and strong that is why you move him inside. Zone blocking schemes require faster and smaller o-linemen. SMH. Carey is getting owned just like I said he would. He is to slow to play RG. He needs to loss weight.

By the way we got rid of one of the best O-Line coaches in the league the first year this regime was here.

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by FinFanFromCA on Aug 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we got the wrong Cowboy

I would like to see Leonard Davis in aqua rather than Columbo.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Start Murtha over Columbo!

Carey did well against the Panthers and I think he will continue to do well. Did he play at RT in the Buc game?

If we bring in O’Hara, Pouncey will slide to LG and Incognito will move to RG or O’Hara will move to RG. Neither of these moves will be good, unless O’Hara can transition to RG.

I think that not trading up for Cannon in the draft is going to hurt us. One draft pick is not going to replace three lost Interior Lineman and an aging RT.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, we didn't have to trade up. We just had to pick Cannon instead of Kearse.

Which would make sense, since we had our franchise NT and could get a backup in FA. Cannon would have been the best pick. He seems to meet the FO’s MO in the late rounds. Find a guy that was projected in the 1-3 rounds that fell due to various reasons and pick him in the 5-7th rounds.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Cannon will play this year coming back from cancer issues (Hodkins I Believe)

But the Pats did very well getting him when he slid to the late fifth round.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Aug 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

We still should have picked more than one OL in the draft when OL was our biggest need.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we would have picked more than 1 olineman

The henne haters would have burnt dolphins stadium to the ground,and we would have never heard the end of it.

by dolphinfan4lyfe on Aug 28, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This FO needs to do what they need to do, not what the fanbase wants to do.

The FO needs to be strong in their convictions.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hindsight and all that. Turning back time and drafting in order of importance

1) We lost a center, one guy, and the sky fell down on the Oline.
2) We had no running game…which was perceived as partly Oline problems, and Ronnie being useless. [IMO, Ronnies foot injury had not fully healed and I believe he’s going to be a ‘gift’…elsewhere.]
3) We had no speed receiver to complement a problemed Marshal.
4) TE was an absolute need.
5) I saw Soliai’s tank running dry the last 3 games, allowing the D to pull their dbl team guy, put him on Wake instead, clearly reflected by Wakes immediate shutout.
     
With a lousy pick sequence we drafted exactly in that order;
1) the best Olineman for center.
2) A solid durable RB.
3) The ‘roadrunner’ for a receiver.
4) A versatile TE, H-back.
5) A solid, “needed” backup, for a questionable Soliai.

Also, I may be wrong, but IMO, Soliai seems more inclined to continually crush this rookie in practice…why? For his own ego? “I kick Pounceys ass all day”, instead of backing off just a bit, early on…giving him a little time to develop.
Normally, I believe in ‘baptism by fire’…just not ‘this’ minuscule PS.
  

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by Flip-her on Aug 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smiley

Bring smiley back. I believe he is a free agent. He was a road grader for our run game when we were tied with the Ravens for the 2nd best rushing team in the NFL. He would be a risk-free option just like Larry Johnson.

by miamimike71 on Aug 28, 2011 8:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

THere is a reason he hasnt played in a year

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smiley Retired. He physically can't handle playing anymore.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to go all Vontae (out on a limb) and say Chad Henne is good enough for us to win.

I really don’t know what else he could have done this August to demonstrate his capability.

You can’t win without a qb with a +80, QB rating.

Every game he’s been above 80 and every game he has improved…his rating at the moment is 93.5 (5th)

He is leading the NFL in yds passing (446), yds per game (148.7 more than 10 yds/g ahead of #2) and yds per attempt – 9.9

He has 7 completions of 20 yds or more and 2 of more than 40.

He threw 2 ints in his first six plays vs Atlanta and has not thrown one since.

Last night was supposed to be his “show me” game. He played into the 3rd quarter against a good defence, which brought a ton of pressure and stifled the running game. All he did was have hs best game yet. 10/13 and three drops?? a 143.9 rating?

We obviously have issues to sort on our offense – but Henne (Vontae?) is no longer one of them.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

How did he play against the #1 D?

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's when he looked best

If the O-line hadn’t given up 3 sacks, he would have been even better

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by AnishB15 on Aug 28, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That and Marshall's fumble

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I'm following your question

If you mean Tampa’s He was 10-12 with 175 yds and a td in the first half.

I haven’t seen the game yet, but I’m assuming Morris did what everyone else did and played his starters in the first half.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he went 10-12 for 175 and a TD against the #1 D, we don't hae to worry about this passing game.

Tampa runs the Tampa 2 zone D (a good one at that), Henne had trouble against zone Ds last year. This year it seems like he is quite capable of handling zone Ds even when he is under a lot of pressure.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Also Marshall had 90 yds on 2 catches…his TD was scary..

http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d821c5408/Marshall-stiff-arms-defender-en-route-to-TD

this is the “Beast” we envisioned when we trdaed for him…I love the fact he outran a safety and finished by straight-arming a linebacker to the ground

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was amazing. Also, the pass was just where it needed to be.

Marshall did the rest.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

A thing of beauty and a joy to behold

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Vontae's exact words were ... "I am going off the limb"

Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.

by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol - Or off on a limb?

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he was already 'on' the limb and just wanted down? lol

   Or…he could be changing his dietary rules and it was a typo.
Maybe he going off the ‘Lamb’.

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by Flip-her on Aug 28, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I feel sheepish

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well said

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by MrMedic on Aug 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Stinchcomb also still out there (why?)

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

The OL is what it is ... It is too late to change it now.

Sparano has to now admit what this team is best at, passing the ball. Put Polite on the bench. Go 3 WR sets with Bush. Use Fasano in pass protection.

Stop this “we are a running team” nonsense and do what you do best. Quit trying to be balanced just for the sake of being balanced. This season was never about the running game. It is all about the QB and how well he plays. If you believe in Henne, protect him and let him make plays by getting the ball to his playmakers: Marshall, Bush, and Bess.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Contradict yourself

You say it’s too late to change the line, but to “protect” Henne. Newsflash- that’s the point- they aren’t protecting Henne. And one more thing, it is not too late to change the line. The NFL is a league of adjustments and you keep on until you get it fixed.

by miamimike71 on Aug 28, 2011 8:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha
The NFL is a league of adjustments and you keep on until you get it fixed.

Unless you are Henning.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Flip-her on Aug 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use Fasano in pass protection.

I believe that I said this too. Pass protect with 6. Steal a page from a Mike Martz offense and use the TE as an extra OT.

The NFL is a league of adjustments and you keep on until you get it fixed.

If you mean adjust your philosophy, then we are in agreement. If you mean that you need to keep working your players to get better, you are wrong. Your players are your players, they are not going to get magically better overnight especially when the season starts. You have to change your philosophy.

Let’s face facts, the Dolphins ARE NOT a running team so quit trying to make them one. Do what they do best, right now that is throwing the football.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, if you pick up a FA, there is no possibility that he will be better than what you have?

I better go tell Dansby he isn’t better than Ayodele and Bush he isn’t better than Sheets.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

They won't significantly upgrade the OL in a week. Last year everyone complained about the shuffling on the OL in the preseason.

Now you are wanting to bring in someone new, with a week preparation, who doesn’t know the scheme, who hasn’t played any football since January, and expect that player to be ready against the Pats?

That doesn’t happen. That is a pipe dream. This is the OL that the Phins have, so you adjust your philosophy to make them perform at their highest level.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

We only need a LG/C.

Incognito/Pouncey can go back to his natural position at RG/LG, respectively. Also, it doesn’t take much time to bring one guy up to speed. Especially at a oosition that is as simple as the OL.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on CT

Your more than an average fan here. You’ve coached and played. I think it’s funny how you look at things sometimes. Makes me wonder if forgot where you came from. (O-Line) You devalue the position to much. Tell me you are not a Johnny be good type of coach. You are one of the few people that can explain zone blocking technique on this forum. Here is a question for you. Do we have the right players to run a zone blocking scheme? That to me is a bigger adjustment than throwing a new player into the mix.

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by FinFanFromCA on Aug 28, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do we have the right players to run a zone blocking scheme?

Short answer is NO. I don’t think Caray, Columbo or Incognito are athletic enough to run that scheme. I see those three having difficulting getting to the 2nd level and blocking LB’s. That being said, I think that they could have an effective running game, not dominate, just effective. Bush is a tremendous cut back RB. Most teams run right, but the LT in a zone blocking scheme opens up the cut back lane. Having Long back should help this.

If I devalue the OL it is because the game itself has devalued it IMO. More than 50% of QB pressures come directly from scheme now, not individual match-ups. How often does Jake Long block the other teams best pass rusher? Not too much because the DC just moves him to a position where he will have more success. That is something different than just 10 years ago. Blitz schemes are designed to confuse and isolate individuals on the OL. It is just a different game today.

LB’s are 260+ pounds and run a 4.5 or better. DL, especially NT’s, are built not to move and create pills. Safeties are the size of LB’s 10 years ago that run better. The running game isn’t predicated on the OL creating holes anymore, it is predicated on the RB making people miss in those holes.

All of this, plus the fact that the last several Super Bowls have featured teams with bad OL’s. Pittsburgh and GB, Indy, Pittsburgh and Ari, etc. The Bears had the worst OL in football last year and made the NFC Championship Game and 2nd seed in the NFC.

The Phins with a supposed good OL in ‘09 finished 7-9. The Phins with a supposed bad OL in ’10 finished 7-9. I just don’t think the OL is the reason for the outcome of either of those seasons and won’t be the reason for the outcome of this season.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

NT’s are built not to move and create pills

So it’s all pharmaceutical?

Damn steriods.

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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I played LT in college and coached the OL at the college level.

Trust me, I want the OL to be important.

I coached at a low level program. Our recruiting was whoever we could get academically eligible. I coached 3 different schemes (Zone Blocking, Wishbone, Man Blocking) in 3 different years based on the type of players we had.

As a coach, that is one of the hardest things to overcome is the admission that your players can’t run your preferred scheme. So you have to adjust your scheme to maximize your players. This is why I think Belicheck is so good. He has switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and now back to a 4-3 based on personal. If he doesn’t have a good pass rusher on the DL, he uses LB’s in a stand up position to confuse the OL.

That is what I want Sparano to do with the OL. Find out what they are good at and let them do it. Make the scheme fit the talent.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL. You and I see things the same way. Guess that makes me a marked man on this forum.

Wishbone. LOL. The Madden boys don’t know what that is. My next Question is do we have a QB that fits what you see? IMO you are looking for a more athletic QB that can avoid the rush better. The teams you named have QBs that avoid the rush enough or make quick enough decisions to get the ball out of their hand.

You see what we have. So do I. Like I said TS’s loyalty is killing him. He has to see what we are seeing. An yes Belicheck is a genius. An I hate saying that. To make this O-Line what you want. I don’t see us keeping this line-up. People are out of position. Incog is a solid RG or Center. He looks uncomfortable pulling. Pouncey to me is the Natural fit at LG. I see Pouncey as a Pro Bowl LG within a year. Murtha should be given a chance to compete at RT. Sounds like he has worked his ass off with that being the goal. He is athletic enough to play that side. Jake is Jake. A LT and one of the best. That leaves one spot open. I believe O-lines need time to Gel, but, if you put something together with the wrong parts. It’s going to break. Just like last year. An you are right about the players we have for a Zone Blocking Scheme. You named the three player I don’t see fitting it also. An you gave the right reason for using it. Reggie Bush.

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by FinFanFromCA on Aug 28, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a QB in today's NFL has to be athletic to avoid the rush.

Guys are going to get to the QB. The defensive schemes guarantee it. Either the QB has to identify it immediately and make a quick pass (Manning, Brady, Brees) or you have to avoid it with your legs (Vick, Rodgers, Roethlisberger). Most of the young QB’s in the league have some mobility.

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by ct1361 on Aug 28, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zone D IS Tampa's scheme

and from the tid-bits of the game I was able to see [mini-reunion] on the soundless screen, they were doing very well.

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by Flip-her on Aug 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the OL can't pass block.

So we won’t be able to pass the ball well all the time.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Umm

For an Oline that can’t pass block Henne is leading the NFL in passing yards.

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by stonecld33 on Aug 28, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

They let up 3 sacks this past game.

That is unacceptable.

They are just average in pass protect, but I feel this will improve when Long plays LT and Murtha plays RT.

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by PotM on Aug 28, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

When the season starts, I agree
They let up 3 sacks this past game. That is unacceptable

but it isn’t the season. Tony needs to see what adjustments need to be made, and he’s sacrificing right now to see who can do what…as he should be.
Also, he needs a clearer understanding of what position needs upgrading the most, before committing to bringing in the wrong guy.

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by Flip-her on Aug 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

sparano has been "adjusting"

the O-line for 3 years.

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by MrMedic on Aug 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although i am genuinely concerned with the RT position

Our offensive line is missing it’s cornerstone. While some teams rely on teamwork to gel at the OL, our OL production this year is pretty much on Jake’s shoulders. Our line is like a club sandwich, and Jake Long is the bread. Without him holding everything together we’ll have turkey, lettuce and swiss cheese (Columbo) just thrown all together, and it will look like it did last night. Face it, besides Jake we really don’t have any other GREAT players on our line; Pouncey’s ‘potnential’ is all but great, but he hasn’t proved a thing yet.

Although I didn’t like what I saw vs. Tampa, I am perfectly content with holding Jake out the entire preseason to make sure he’s 100% healthy. The dude is 3 for 3 on Pro Bowl’s, I think he knows what he’s doing by now and will be alright for week 1 against the Pats.

So in closing, try not to look too deep into what you saw last night besides the realization of how VITAL Big Jake is to our team. With him anchoring down the left side, the rest of the line gets a huge load off their shoulders and can focus mostly on their assignments rather then trying to help fill gaps they are not responsible for.

With Jake back In there, I expect our running game to pick up a whole bunch of steam, and better yet, a solid wall of protection for Henne to show what he’s got in store for us.

In closing: with Jake Long ouroffense should take a huge step forward this year, and pair that with our defense and we are sure to surprise a few people. Unless #77 is out with an injury, id take a deep breath; everything should work out, and we all should thank our team’s best player when it does..

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by BSerious72 on Aug 28, 2011 9:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agree

Very well said. Can we please stop thinking Ohara is some All-pro center that 31 other teams haven’t signed either. The guy can’t play anymore or is not in football shape. Vernon Carey is the problem here “the tape don’t lie” watch the game again and focus on him.he alone almost got Reggie a broken knee 3 times last night.let alone missed or was beat more than 6-7 times after I rewatched the game. Tampa did a lot of run blitzing as well to make it even worse. We should have thrown more screens.

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by stonecld33 on Aug 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who's the pickle?

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by Flip-her on Aug 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The man whose job Colombo took, Vernon Carey, has been moved one spot over, now starting at right guard for the Dolphins. But, his play isn’t much better and the team has absolutely zero ability to run behind Carey.

That’s truth right there. Vernon Carey’s play has really plunged the last couple of seasons. If he keeps playing this way, he’ll be cut outright next season as opposed to being forced to accept a salary reduction but still being on the roster. He’s outright horrible on run blocking and pass protection right now.

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by zeusmith on Aug 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

i was a huge advocate of drafting RT jah reid

Who is looking promising to start at RT for the ravens. We should have signed reid, solidified our line. Signed reggie but retained ricky or ronnie.

I knew Carey was deteriorating, but I thought he had ATLEAST one more servicable season. Could be wrong, he’s playing terrible.

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by BSerious72 on Aug 28, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It figures the ravens GM would draft Jah Reid

I live in Central Florida and watched him play at ton. He was easily the best player on the team. Guy looks like he will be a perennial All-Pro RT for years

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carey

I’m curious if Carey is just going through the motions and not giving 100% effort because of the pay cut. Or is he really that bad. I find it hard to believe that he fell off this far that fast. I think he has the “haynesworth” syndrome but just for the opposite reason( less $ vs. too much $ )

by miamimike71 on Aug 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He’s isn’t quick enough to play guard. He should be losing weight to do so.

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by 54 on Aug 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly he is too fat

He cant get off the line fast enough at the snap. Jerry has the same problem. When you look at them they dont carry the weight well and their athleticism suffers. It too late to tell them to report to camp lighter so we should just cut them

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
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by 54 on Aug 28, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Murtha give up a sack and a few hurries last night.

To me Murtha looked owned in pass protection. To me, Henne was constantly under pressure. So his numbers are all the more impressive despite his OL…some awefully quick decisions had to be made all game long.

by Doug Maxton on Aug 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I never thought this line would work and I still don’t with these players. Our right side is horrible. Our left side could be better. I don’t understand why tony doesn’t just put the players to play where there strengths lie.

-Long best LT.
-Pouncey LG best can pull
-Incognitio is best in small places. Center
-Gardner can play everything. So put him on the right side. Stop calling him a backup because he can play everything. Either RG or RT. It doesn’t matter. I would say G.
-Murtha/Cary at RT. Not an ideal choice at RT but that’s the best we have to work with for now.

This is how I see our current line.
-Long the best LT
-Incognitio can’t really put at a position that requires pulling.
-Pouncey a player who can pull playing a position where it’s a luxury not requirement.
- Cary too big and not quick enough to play guard.
-Colombo past his prime and shouldn’t be a starter on any line. Should consider retirement.

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by 54 on Aug 28, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You would think after four years

This staff and FO would figure out how to get us a decent line. At least half of the success of the WC was because of line play. We got rid of most of those guys and the continual tinkering is driving me nuts.

You can get amazing production from second-tier players behind a solid O-line, but even the most talented players have no chance behind a poor line.

by DrJay32 on Aug 28, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

its hard to believe

that the FO couldnt see this coming. very disappointed that they couldnt address this in the draft or FA. here we go again, hitting the waiver wire for scraps. probably still better then what we have now. 4 yeras in the making and they only drafted 3 olinemen, and one dont play very well. all the other elements of the team looks good, but with the lack of talent on the OL, it will take away the shine from the rest of the team. maybe its time to make a few trades. we cant move forward with this OL.

by warpigs on Aug 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Normally you find a weakness and exploit it.

You keep pounding away in those 1 or 2 areas. However, this is preseason…so you run play #7, and find that it works… Check the box! But then, unlike regular season, you move on to play #8…then #9…evaluating the plays ‘and’ the players.
One objective is, after the roster cut, to have the best of the bad players to line up as filler in practice.
I’m personally interested in who this [possibly] “last” player/position is that they bring in.

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by Flip-her on Aug 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Gurode?

Looks like the Cowboys want him out, if they cut him I would like to bring him in. Then he can play center and Pouncey can slide to guard where he should be. Also Carey and Murtha can battle it out for RT. Colombo is a disaster.

by tecmo123 on Aug 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

If we get O'Hara, he is playing RG, not C

Pouncey is our starting center. He is not going to move. He is playing well there and isn’t the issue. O’Hara or Waters could solidify the RG position. We then can let Carey, Colombo, and Murtha battle it out for the RT position.

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by The Earl on Aug 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

dont make excuses(you are not on the payroll)

they lost a winable game late and this is the third preseason game the starters played a lot

by broxtone on Aug 28, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

What I would like to see in the Dallas Game on Thursday...

LT Garner 6-7 325,
LG Pouncey 6-5 303
C Incognito 6-3 324,
RG Carey 6-5 340
RT Murtha 6-7 315,

Starting line v the Pats 9/12

LT Long 6-7 317
LG Pouncey 6-5 303
C Incognito 6-3 324,
RG Carey 6-5 340 and if Carey can’t cut it, put Garner here and use Carey as the Swing Tackle.
RT Murtha 6-7 315

What they have been doing isn’t working. So make some wise adjustments and stick with it.

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by DolphDallas on Aug 28, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

We need three more weeks at minium to get these kids working together!

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