The Case Against Tim Tebow - aka The Dolphins and Tebow Part 2
A few hours ago, we looked at the case for the Dolphins to go after the (possibly) available former Hesiman Trophy winning quarterback Tim Tebow. Now, we look at some of the reasons to leave him alone.
Tebow has an extremely long delivery. For a fan base that is used to Dan Marino's quick release, watching the looping, pass-rusher-saliva-inducing would be unbearable. His motion leads to late passes, and can very easily allow pass rushers to strip him as he winds up.
It's something he has worked on, but in the midst of a game, he reverts back to his natural motion. Maybe after another year or two of working on it, he will finally have the muscle memory to avoid dropping the ball down to his hip, but that's a lot of time to hope he develops. It's a lot of time to have a player eat up a slot on your 53-man roster and your salary cap space.
The presence of Tebow on the Dolphins roster would cause problems as well. The Dolphins currently have Chad Henne as their starting quarterback. If Miami signed Tebow, how long would it take fans to abandon Henne for a desire to see Tebow? The media had a field day when some fans at a Dolphins practice chanted "We want Orton," refering to the Dolphisn near trade with Denver Broncos to acquire Kyle Orton. Can you imagine what could happen if the rock star ambiance of Tebow's arrival - especially being back in his home state - came to Miami?
Tebow wants to be a quarterback. At 6'3", 245 lbs., he has the potential to develop into a good tight end of running back. He rushed for 2,947 yards and 57 touchdowns while at the University of Florida, along with the 227 yards and 6 touchdowns he gained last year with the Broncos. He has said he would consider a position move, but he want to be a quarterback first. Would he consider the failure in Denver as a sign that he needs to change positions?
How long would it take Tebow to learn another position? Asking a player to go from quarterback after a year in the NFL, to a fullback/tight end/H-back type role is a dramatic change. Plus, how soft are Tebow's hands? Would he be a pass catching threat at all?
Tebow is a first round draft pick, at the quarterback position. The salary of such a player is typically higher than most teams can afford - especially for a third string QB, or a fullback/tight end. Would Tebow either restructure his contract, allowing teams to not be completely strapped for cash, or sign for less money as a free agent.
And, if the Broncos don't release Tebow, but look for a trade, what would be the asking price? The Dolphins are supposedly shopping defensive end Phillip Merling for a tight end right now. Would that be enough to get Denver to give up one of their 2010 first round draft picks? Would they want more to offset the cost of, not just a first round pick, but a first round selection they traded back into the round to get?
Finally, where there are a ton of people who love Tim Tebow, there are just as many who hate him. Bringin in the hatred for Tebow could be worse than what the Eagles went through brining in Michael Vick. The passion of fans, on both sides of the Tebow fence, could alienate some fans, while it could even bleed over into the locker room.
I hope through both of these two threads, I covered all of the pros-and-cons for the Dolphins pursuing Tim Tebow. As I said in Part 1, everything here is speculation. Nothing says Denver will actually move Tebow. Nothing says the Dolphins would actually go get Tebow. But, it's an interesting idea, with positives and negatives. As we get closer to the start of the regular season, keeping an eye on Denver will be a lot of fun, especially as the future of Tebow is decided.
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I want a TE
and I think Tebow can eventually become one. I just don’t want to deal with the unneeded drama and repetitive QB controversy questions brought up. And I don’t think the Dolphins want to, either. Once Henne has a game where he throws 2 INTs we’ll hear Tebow’s name nonstop.
I could, however, see Tebow end up somewhere with a steady QB position. Somewhere like Tampa (ticket sales also), New England, or somewhere else to play wildcat/h-back type role.
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You want a TE?
We should have signed Zach Miller.
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I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
Bring back Pat White. He is the chosen one.
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by Phinphinatic on Aug 23, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
WHAAAAT???
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Funny how it went from us getting Orton to us getting Tebow
The flip flop is crazy,
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 23, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think many hate Tebow
We just dislike the unwarrented attention he gets because of strong religious conviction. Sure I respect the man but that does not make him a better football player. He is an NFL star in name only.
dude... that is ridiculous...
tons of people hate Tebow… he is very polarizing… just look at the spit out bile of hate on the previous article..
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by Phinphinatic on Aug 23, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
oh i see all the attention because of his strong religious conviction.
nothing do do with
2× SEC Championship (2006, 2008)
2× BCS National Championship (2007, 2009)
2× First-team All-American (2007, 2008)
1× Second-team All-American (2009)
3× First-team All-SEC (2007, 2008, 2009)
AP Player of the Year (2007)
Davey O’Brien Award (2007)
2× Maxwell Award (2007, 2008)
Heisman Trophy (2007)
he gets all the attention because of his religous beleifs right?
when a kid produces this much in college he’s going to get attention. I don;t see why this is hard for people to understand.
by scrappy the wildcat on Aug 24, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Mosul!
I enjoyed both articles and i feel you demonstrated integrity by showing both sides of Tebow. We may have been able to avoid some of the negatives posts by releasing the story at one time rather than two, but i have enjoyed the banter.
That being said… I am not a Tebow supporter.. I feel as though he peaked in college and will go down as one of the best college football players of all time. I hope for the best for him because he is genuinely a good person, hard worker, and talented guy. The only way i would want to see him on the Dolphins is as a 3rd string QB/ FB/ TE / conditioning coach. He can still bring alot to whatever team he ends up with.
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Bronco fan here
I agree that one of the biggest issues with Tebow is the hoopla that goes with him. Fox just announced what was apparent, that Orton is the starter, and it set off yet another round of Posts and comments at MHR. Probably getting close to 600 comments by now, all saying the same thing, more or less. And MHR is a microcosm of Broncos fans.
Many observers at training camp this year came away with the opinion that Tebow hadn’t progressed since last year, but rather regressed. Maybe because of the lockout, maybe because he spent too much time flying around the country to his book signings.
My opinion is that the Broncos FO would like to be rid of the problem. But I doubt they’ll just release him. A trade for an undisclosed future draft pick is possible, but that’s just my opinion.
Frankly, I don’t see why any team in the NFL would want him and the storm that comes with him, unless they’re willing to just install him as starter and see if he sinks or swims. Broncos do have a strong point in that John Elway is the VP in charge of football operations, so any decision about Tebow that is made will have serious cred behind it. Anyway, stay tuned. This will all be ongoing.
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Elway's Ego and Fox's desire for his guy is driving this
The only place Tebow has “regressed” so far this year is on the practice field. He played well in the regular season last year. He played well in the first preseason game going 6/7 and leading two scoring drives. He suddenly didn’t get a chance in the second preseason game. This is all because Fox doesn’t think outside the box (see Delhomme, Jake) and Elway can’t stand it that the Denver fan base bought #15 jerseys en masse and have forgotten about him. That is why Tebow is on the outs in Denver and the hapless media led by ESPN are their willing accomplices.
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by gridiron_mike on Aug 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Spoken like a Gator/Tebow fan
I’m not going to argue – I don’t get into that much at MHR, and not at all at other teams sites.
Except I will go so far as to say that your take on Elway is utter BS. It’s a good example of the lengths to which Tebow fans will go to promote Tim. Tim should be able to sink or swim in the NFL based on his ability, not because of carping statements by his fans.
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You obviously didn't read what I said
His in-game performance is good, so why is he not allowed to sink or swim? Obviously it’s for other reasons because so far in REAL games he’s swam.
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by gridiron_mike on Aug 23, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"why is he not allowed to sink or swim?"
Because Orton is a much better QB. Stop with the conspiracy theories.
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I'm not talking about his battle with Orton
I’m talking about the battle for #2 and him losing his playing time to Brady Quinn, who has already proved that he is NOT an NFL QB.
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by gridiron_mike on Aug 23, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Fact is that Quinn is outplaying Tebow so far this year.
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ANd Quinn sucks also , so what does that tell you about Tebow!!!
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Actually
Brady Quinn is playing quite well. Like the light bulb came on. And Tim is playing OK, but has problems with his drop backs, reads, and a lot of things, but also makes some nice plays from time to time.
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But the light bulb can't come on....
That NEVER happens. A QB either comes in and dominated from day 1. Otherwise, you have to immediately get rid of him and move on to the next guy, who you won’t allow to develop because he either has it on day one, or you have to get rid of him and move on to the next guy, who you won’t allow to develop because he either has it on day one, or……….
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I hope Henne has a good year. (Not on October 23 though). He seems like a good young QB who should be given at least another year to develop.
Peyton Manning was not very good his first year. He had a lousy team around him though, but still.
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And, I might mention since this Post is about Tebow
That there is some talk that Tebow might actually be the 4th QB on the Broncos, behind even rookie Adam Weber, a CFA from the Golden Gophers, who is looking pretty good.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=ArhOaKnMH9rm0N21o9U8z5DubYF?slug=ms-silver_denver_broncos_quarterbacks_082311
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uhh mosul, I think a sarcasm box is in order! lol
I think this is hennes year to open it up, and I hope he light’s up the patsies. they’ve never feared our deep game and this is the time to stun them. lull them in with a huge dose of bush-bess(the new killer bee’s) then , obliterate them with gates,marshall, and hartline. go phins!
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by daytonadolfan on Aug 25, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for dropping by.
I’ve been following your situation through NFL network and I feel for John Fox.
I think your FO could have handled the whole Orton/Tebow/starter/trade thing better, because they certainly handed Fox a mess to deal with.
From the outside it feels like they changed their opinion of Tebow during the first two weeks of camp…is that Elway’s involvment or is that Elways’s fault?
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind
that Josh McDaniels, who drafted Tebow, kept him on the bench. It was only after McD was fired and Orton suffered a rib injury that Tebow got three starts. Elway has stated that he thinks Tebow is a heckuva football player, but that he has to learn to be a pocket passer if he’s going to succeed as an NFL QB. Elway recently spent the better part of an afternoon working with Tebow on his drops and throws. My thought is that the opinion at the Broncos FO hasn’t changed in the last 15 months – Tebow is a project.
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I'm just glad people are arguing over a different QB for a change around here lol !
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by daytonadolfan on Aug 23, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a gator alum and a Tebow fan, but
I don’t know how you can call his time in Denver a failure.
He started 3 games, and appeared in spot duty in 6 more. He was responsible for 881 yds, 11 tds, 3 ints, and 1 fumble which he recovered. What about that is a failure?
Hell, in his 3 games as a starter, he had 850 yds, 7 tds, 3 ints, and a fumble which was recovered. That looks pretty good to me.
I’d say he’s worth whatever we would have traded for Orton.
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by gatorfin on Aug 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed.
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by gridiron_mike on Aug 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about his worth.....
but I agree, you can’t call his time in Denver a failure. He was praised for his performance in those games. Also, everyone knows its gonna take this year and probably next year for Tebow to really come into his own. I think everyone should stop being so negative about him and wait until he gets the chance to play to make their judgements. We’ve all heard why hes so bad, can we let him prove you right or wrong first?
by ElPasoDolfan on Aug 23, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I say get him
If he’s available for a low pick and would restructure his contract or if he was a free agent, what is the harm in Miami getting him? Henne will sink or swim on his own merits. Tebow would only increase the competition. If Henne and Tebow fail, a new staff would come in next year a pick a QB #1 anyways. If Henne fails and Tebow succeeds, then Miami may have found their QB future.
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Tebow is a winner and makes plays when he is on the field.
The problem Tebow has in the NFL is that it is too structured. He doesn’t fit into most offensive systems that are being played in the NFL right now like the West Coast Offense or the Quick Pass Timing Offense (Pats). He isn’t a standard “Pocket Passer” either. This is what I mean when I say he doesn’t fit.
But if you put him into an offense similar to the one the Ben Roethlisberger runs in Pittsburgh, he has a chance to succeed. Roethlisberger isn’t a QB that excells in a structure. His best plays are when he improvises. Ask any commentator around and they will say that he holds the ball too long and takes too many hits, yet he makes plays and leads his team. Why couldn’t Tebow do something like that?
Another comparison I would make is Donovan McNabb with the Eagles. This comparison works for me because McNabb was never considered an “accurate” QB just like I don’t think Tebow will ever be an “accurate” QB. From 2000-2005, the Eagles made the playoffs each year appearing in 3 conference championship games and 1 Super Bowl. McNabb only had one season (the Super Bowl year) in which he completed over 60% of his passes. But McNabb always made plays, either with his arm (relatively long delivery) or with his legs. Why couldn’t Tebow do the same thing?
I don’t know if Tebow will ever be as good as Roethlisberger or McNabb. But those two guys are “unconventional” or “unstructured” QB’s that are very successful. All it takes is for a coach to fit an offense around their QB and it could work.
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Please, Please
Let this go. End this now. This would not be good for this organization in anyway. We have a good passer in henne, and he is a pure quaterback. He will prove it this year. Remember, this is really only Henne’s 2nd year starting. Tebow has proved in 3 weeks to be the third best quarterback on the Broncos. While he is the type of person that would fit this organization, as a player he is not. Im begging to let this go, and not take it any farther.
agreed. i like your post mosul
But let’s stop talking about Tebow, he is not our problem and that is a good thing. For all you tebow fans, he will go down as one of ncaa’s greatest, but don’t get greedy… it wont ever be more than that.
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by BSerious72 on Aug 23, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You guys do know there's an easy way to stop talking about Tebow by not coming into this thread, right?
Just saying….
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Miami is shopping for a TE?
Man, I sure hope so. Which TE’s are available right now? Was hoping they would’ve picked up Owen Daniels, Kevin Boss or Zach Miller.
Agree with Bserious, Tebow is not a NFL QB and never will be, well he is one , but just not a good one!!
Sorry he never will be, I like the guy and everything he stands for, perfect role model, just not a player!!
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I know this discussion is about qb
upgrades but I think Moore is very capable and should get a shot if Henne throws two picks early in a game.The NFL doesnt work like MLB, in the sense that if the hurler is having a bad game he is replaced early in the game, rather than late, if at all.I think if the starter is clearly having a bad game early, the second stringer should be brought in.I also think one of the main reasons he is not brought in to replace the starter, is the lack of repetitions in the practice week leading up to the game with the first string offense.
I don't see Tebow as a franchise QB in the NFL
I don’t think he has or ever will have the necessary mechanics. He does default back to what he knows under pressure and I don’t believe that will change. I don’t have a view on Tebow the person, but I don’t see that investing a draft pick in a trade for him would be prudent. If he’s available for free, bring him in, see what he can do, and if he might be useful as a TE and isn’t expecting a huge salary, well, why not give him a shot?
Chad Henne is clearly the answer. But what exactly is the question?

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