NFL Supplemental Draft Today - Rumors of Terrelle Pryor to Dolphins Still Flying
by Kevin Nogle on Aug 22, 2011 5:00 AM EDT
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At 1pm today, the NFL will hold the 2011 Supplemental Draft. The rumors and speculation of Terrelle Pryor becoming a Dolphin today continue to float around the internet, TV, and radio. With all the speculation, we need one more time to look at the possibility of Pryor coming to Miami.
Twice we have voted here on The Phinsider about the Dolphins going after Pryor. The first vote, back on August 9th, say 1,884 votes cast, with a 52% majority saying the Dolphins should get Pryor (992 votes to 892 votes).
The second vote, after the league declared him eligible for the Supplemental Draft, saw The Phinsider readers lean just a little more toward gaining Pryor's services, with the total 1118 votes being split 623 for (55%) and 495 against.
Today is the day that we find out how the Miami Dolphins feel.
Miami was one of 17 teams represented at Pryor's Pro-Day workout, including the Pittsburgh Steelers, Indianapolis Colts, Washington Redskins, New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Dallas Cowboys, San DIego Chargers, Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Philadelphia Eagles, Oakland Raiders, Cincinnati Bengals, Buffalo Bills, Kansas City Chiefs, San Francisco 49ers, and New England Patriots.
The most appealing piece for the drafting of Pryor came from his Pro Day. He ran a 40-yard dash in 4.36 seconds, leading many to speculate that teams may want to move him from quarterback to tight end or wide receiver.
When asked if he would be okay with a position change, Pryor responded, "I would like the opportunity to play quarterback, but I'll do anything a team needs me to do to win."
Whatever team does take Pryor, they will have to wait at least until mid-October before they can put Pryor on the field. Due to his breaking the "integrity of the eligibility rules," the NFL has suspended Pryor for his first five NFL games. Pryor's suspension actually is not related to his well-documented troubles at Ohio State - at least not directly.
Pryor was suspended from the NCAA for Ohio State's first five games this upcoming season for illegal benefits - he traded memorabilia for tattoos. He eventually decided to leave school, rather than deal with the suspension and any further fallout from a scandal that ultimately led to the resignation of the Buckeyes' Head Coach Jim Tressel. In making that decision, Pryor hired an agent to prepare for his entrance to the league.
And that's where his ineligibility to continue NCAA football begins. Up until the moment Pryor hired Drew Rosenhaus as his agent, he was still had NCAA eligibility remaining. For an underclassman to become eligible for the NFL Supplemental Draft, he has to have lost his eligibility to continue paying NCAA football. This NCAA ineligibility is typically academic, or some other rules violation.
What the NFL does not want to see happen is a rash of underclassmen hiring agents to purposely lose their NCAA eligibility and therefore qualify for the Supplemental Draft. This is where the NFL decided they needed to suspend Pryor. If they put a penalty for hiring an agent to purposely lose eligibility from NCAA football, maybe they can make other players think twice before they join the league.
The NFL Supplmental Draft is conducted in a method similar to the NBA's lottery draft. Teams are broken into groups, and then they draw for their drafting position. To understand the system better, check out this article by Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio.
The NFL Supplemental Draft has seen several quarterbacks come through its system, most notably Super Bowl Champion and former Browns, Cowboys, and Dolphins quarterback Bernie Kosar. Every quarterback selected in the Supplemental Draft has been done using a first round pick - but a first round selection hasn't been used in the Supplemental Draft since 1993, when the NFL changed the draft rules.
Don't expect Pryor to change that. Prior to his workout, Pryor was expected to be a 5-7 round choice. Following the Pro Day, he has been elevated to a possible third round choice.
Joining Pryor as potential draftees in Monday's event are former Georgia running back Caleb King, Northern Illinois safety Tracy Wilson, Western Carolina cornerback Torez Jones, Lindenwood University defensive end Keenan Mace, and North Carolina defensive end Michael McAdoo.
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why not?...
the kid is 6’6" 230lbs and ran a 4.36, he’s a freak of nature, I’m not a fan of him at QB, but i wouldnt mind splitting him out wide
Definitely take him for a 3rd round choice.
Teach him to come in and play TE this year and we have our TE problem solved, and develop him into a QB. Even if Henne does pan out IT IS NOT A BAD THING TO HAVE 2 FRANCHISE QBs, or at least 2 QBs that people feel are franchise QBs. Ask the Eagles how that works out for them every year… or the Patriots for that matter.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't rationalize giving up a third for Pryor...
"With the #15 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select....John Stamos...'s brother."
3rd? Really?
I wouldn’t ever take him as a 3rd. He has never played TE and what makes you think he can block? As for Pryor’s future at QB, he is inaccurate and is not a smart passer. He has the running skills of a Vick and Young, but his passing skills are nowhere near the potential they had. I’d do a 7th maybe, but that would be with the prospect of him at WR, a position we don’t really need.
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who gives a crap if the guy can block
Honestly… I am all about having TEs that block… that is what Fasano is. But are you seriously going to tell me that you wouldn’t be interested in a guy his size that runs a sub 4.4 40 because you are not sure if he can block? How did it work out for us last year having 3 blocking TEs? We need a playmaker. If this guy can give defenses some other wrinkle to have to account for, why wouldn’t we take a chance with him?
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Having guys that can block is still a big need for a TE
Especially with how often Miami runs the ball. If Pryor is a poor blocker, he will get rolled by LBs and DEs. If teams prefer to defend Pryor instead of defeating him off the line, they could just easily stick a CB on him. Heck, even the CB could beat Pryor off the edge to get a quick blitz.
I’m intrigued slightly because of Pryor’s speed, but more at WR. If it it about speed, I’d rather just Gates at TE. Besides, he may be the superior route runner. Why don’t we just make Kory Sheets the TE instead? We wouldn’t even have to give up a draft pick. Reggie Bush would be another possibility for the downs where Thomas is in the backfield.
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think wildcat
Hey right away he can contribute in the wildcat. And now that the 3rd qb is always active there is no problem in case the starter gets hurt. Think obout it… it’s like having an extra player on game day. Most 3rd QB’s never see anything more than the clipboard.
I think Wildcat and I think Pat White.
And I also picture myself with a shotgun putting the Wildcat to sleep. As for the 3rd QB, I’d prefer Devlin as the 3rd QB over Pryor.
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Pryor is much better 3rd QB
The reason is that the 3rd QB will almost never see the field as the QB and you can guarantee that by the time the 3rd QB is running the offense the game is over anyway. Even if you loose your 1st and 2nd QB the team always finds some old veteran to take over.
But with TP as your 3rd QB it’s like having an extra player on gameday. You can put him in the wildcat, you can line him up like a receiver. Of course you don’t want to overload his head with stuff but I can see him easily being the wildcat triggerman. Can you say that for Delvin…. Also, you can still stash Delvin on the practice squad.
Pryor and the 3rd QB
Yes, Pryor would be good for that if I felt we had the need or room. Right now, I don’t think we need to line Pryor up as a WR. I don’t think he’d see the field because of who we have back there now. If we were short on WR depth, I’d be all for it because of his flexibility. Since I am comfortable with our WR, I would rather have our 3rd string QB be a developmental QB, which I think Devlin is the better QB prospect.
As for the Wildcat QB, well, I just think of Pat White. I’m more for getting rid of the Wildcat completely than drafting someone for the Wildcat… again.
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pat white
Pat white was in no mans land. He was too small to be a QB, too fragile to run the ball and hell he could not complete a pass. Well that’s a failure in him not the concept.
The dolphins can use a triggerman for the wildcat and who knows he might develop into a good passer. Lots of upside plus immediate benefit.
We know Dabol used the wildcat with more success than we did in cleveland.
And Pryor...
Is inaccurate and I don’t think he has the intelligence required to be a QB. I don’t see him passing a ball in his future.
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I really never watched him
So I’m not going to pretend that I know he will or will not be a good QB. But he has all the scouts panties in a twist so he must have something he brings to the table.
If our scouts think that something is worth a gamble I’m all for it and don’t think a late round pick is betting too much. Also, don’t think putting him as the 3rd string QB also know as the scout team QB is much of a risk either.
All about risk reward…. If we knew the outcome in avance we would be in the Super Bowl every year.
Scouts are after him for his speed and believe he's a future WR
Which I wouldn’t mind. My only thing is I don’t believe we need a WR. I feel we have enough depth with Gates, Wallace, and Moore. That’s the only reason why I wouldn’t want Miami to surrender anything than a 5th (yes, I just raised it from a 7th). For those that think we should give a 3rd or 4th, I think that is crazy.
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we have enough WRs
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 22, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
We need TE's ..........
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
As we near the 1st roster cut is Pryor a need?
Or a project?
As El Nic stated above (and several more have, as well), he’s not especially suited for QB. My (Auburn nut) wife even says so. So what are we gaining with signing him and then paring down to the 53 man roster?
I get drafting for the future but I also get planning for this season.
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
He said he will do whatever it takes to win ...
Give the guy a shot to make the team this year as a pass catching TE, and give him some wildcat plays this year while you develop him into a NFL ready QB. There is no issue with us getting him and Henne. Having too many good QBs is never a problem.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He would just be the 3rd QB,
no big deal.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Pryor is a project for any team.
He is definitely not a need. As for QB, I’d rather have Devlin as our #3 than Pryor. If we were to take Pryor (please nothing higher thn 7th), I’d rather it be as a WR. I really don’t see room for him on our roster because we have enough talent as prospect WRs that may end up as our 5th WR.
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I'm not sure we should ink Pryor
that’s what got him in trouble in the first place.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
You look at his size and speed and everyone says make him a TE or a WR
I’m thinking RB
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H-back, TE....
Whatever you would like to call him. He is a trememdous athlete and if you put him on the field he is a mismatch.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, you can't be serious?
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I rarely am...and in this case I'm just floating an idea.
I wouldn’t draft him at all…but if you look at what he did at OSU he was a lot closer to an RB than a TE or a WR.
Really, we just drafted a kid who did just that.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
A tall skinny RB?
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, ???
We just drafted Eric Dickerson ?
Besides ED isn’t 6-6
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd make a great TE
we need someone there that has speed
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I suppose the ultimate question is should he be one of our 53
or PS fodder?
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
he'll be on the 53
he’ll be scooped up if he’s on the PS
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Is he worth the time to transition into TE (or back)
for this season?
Knowing nothing, I’d ask who’s gets cut so he can get a roster spot?
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
he's too big for a back
rather have him at QB, TE, or WR
We’ll have time to figure that out, due to the 5 game suspension. I think he’s worth the wait, he’s an athletic freak.
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also with the new rule for QB's
a #3 QB can come in anytime. Pryor would be a good wildcat QB.
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This is a pick for the future,
not this year necessarily, he would be the 3rd QB.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Would that make Devlin chopped liver?
or deviled ham?
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
FA?
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Devlin better as our 3rd QB.
I just don’t see Pryor as a QB in the future. He doesn’t have the accuracy or the intelligence.
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Devlin is as expendable as it gets.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He can't be on the 53 as a TE.
He’s never played the position and there is much more to the position than speed. He knows nothing about blocking or blocking assignments. If anything, Pryor is a WR, but we don’t need a WR.
Just going on the theory of a TE, do you really feel comfortable having Fasano, Clay, and Pryor as our TE set? Pryor can not see action for at least a few years as a TE. I’d much rather have Mastrud at TE for now.
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we are using next years draft pick
Who cares if he doesn’t make any impact this year at all. He can not make the active 45 all season
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by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
just read a report
that the phins haven’t like what they’ve seen from Kory Sheets. This could lead some speculation to King.
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Sounds like He might play about any where on a team ! speed and size Might make Him very Important! but the chances of getting Him is very Slim i guess?
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I do not think kory is fitted for our Team!
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Remember, any pick we use on him in this
we give up in next year’s draft. I’m not so sure I’m willing to give up our 3rd next year. A 3rd rounder is great trade bait and a great value round. Id give up no more than a 6th for Pryor, and if he is already gone, oh well.
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Nah, only a retarded team would give a 3rd.
Which makes Oakland the most logical destination.
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Prophetic, lol
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No, No, No, No, Noooooooooooo
He’s got project written all over him. Bad vibes with this guy, Jamarcus Russell all over again. Bet the Raiders draft him.
Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.
by rintintinsoldier on Aug 22, 2011 8:25 AM EDT reply actions
That's what my wife says
and she knows college football.
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
JR was a 1st round pick, TP will be a 5th round pick,
and I don’t see that comparison, JR is lazy and fat, lol.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Not comparing the round
JR would have been a bust no matter where he was taken — proof in that nobody has picked him up since the Raiders finally got smart and cut him.
Not comparing physique either - just a feeling that Pryor will be a bust, and if not a complete bust, then not worthy of spending a pick and lots of development time. Just my opinion.
Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.
by rintintinsoldier on Aug 22, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no such thing as a 5th round bust,
they just don’t make it, lol.
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by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go as high as a 3rd round pick on Pryor, but a 4th-5th sounds fair considering he may not have a true position and he's suspended 5 games....
Guys he won’t be a TE. He’d have to gain another 15-20 Ibs which will slow him down.
He’s either a QB or a WR. I say you keep him at QB this year, see how he looks in practice, and if it doesn’t work out move him to WR next year. He (6’6) and Marshall (6’4) would be scary!
by JP 23 on Aug 22, 2011 8:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Early 5th rd to a bad team
Maybe 4th rd if a team is desperate
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I would drop a 6th and if he falls, fine
If not, fine.
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by Strange on Aug 22, 2011 8:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
5th round is as high as I would go
I expect most 3-4th round picks to be good contributers and Pryor is far from a sure thing. But a 5th is good value. I would do that in a heart beat. Can never have too many good quarterbacks. We can stash Delvin on the practice squad.
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He’s a faster, taller, slimmer version of Plaxico Burress. Teach him Wr and put a little more bulk on him and we have a new Red Zone weapon! I know it’s “preseason”, but did everybody see what Plax did after 2 years off?
by miamimike71 on Aug 22, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
exactly...
People get really caught up with a guy fitting a certain prototype. What was Shannon Sharpe? A TE? Or was he a WR in the same mold as Brandon Marshall? He was a playmaker… who cares what you called him. If it makes you feel better move Marshall to TE… we know he can block.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or he's a taller, younger, bigger version of Troy Smith
Who is a product of the same system.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 22, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly would be willing to draft him as a TE with a 4th...
he is a great athlete and has untapped potential. Plus, lets be honest, before getting caught up in this mess, he was considered a great kid. This is a 20 year old who made one mistake. I’m really hoping we can get him. We always hear about basketball players who become TEs. Well, Pryor was one of the top basketball players in his class (could have gone to any basketball school he wanted). The difference between Pryor and those other guys is that he already have big time football experience. He could sit out a year and learn how to be a TE and then next year we have great pieces around which ever 1st round QB (or if Henne finally gets it)…
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We need him as a QB
Right now we have a tight end that can’t block in Clay. We need a QB and we could use him in the wildcat right away. Can you imagine Bush tossing one back to him. That would be a sure TD.
Anyway we need QB on this team more than any position so we should give him the opportunity to show he is QB material.
Henne’s contract is up after this year and neither of the developmental QB’s have shown much. If TP can learn this year as the 3rd QB and play a few wildcat plays a game. I think we get a good deal
IMO, your expecting too much of him as a rookie...
there is a reason he is considered a mid-late round pick. If your force him in there too early, it will be Pat White all over again. Personally, I do not think he will make it as a QB and frankly, I am not willing to wait the 3 years to find out. I think he can be a difference maker at TE down the road, so we should put him there from day one.
Clay is a 6th round pick, there is no knowing right now if he will pan out. And the QBs currently on the roster do not matter for next year. If Henne shows he gets it, then he will be back. If not, we will have a 1st round rookie QB so the developmental QBs don’t really matter..
Also, i really think it is time to move away from the wildcat. It began because we didnt have the skill position players to compete, well, we have them now so we should concentrate on getting them the ball…
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Can he be a QB?
If the scouts believe he can be (not IS) an NFL QB then hell yes they should bring him in. He has all the physical tools for being a great QB but he is a gamble because he is so unpolished.
But there is a 90% chance Delvin doesnt last in the NFL more than 2 years. So it’s not like your risking much by stashing Delvin on the practice squad.
I am not arguing wether or not to being him in...
I am all for it. I just think it would be much smarter to try to turn him into that dynamic TE this offense is missing. Counting on him to develop to be our franchise QB is a 3 year project with only a slight chance of working out IMO. And being wrong could set the team back another 5 years. I rather develop him as a TE and hand the keys to a great offense to a 1st round QB next year…
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how much more of a project is he than Delvin
He in no way will compete for the starting job this year or proabably next year either. But I doubt we can carry 4 TE’s and if he can’t block we can’t keep him.
But that 3rd spot as a QB is ALWAYS a project player.
again...
I get what you are saying, i’m just sick of these developmental QBs. If Henne magically develops this year and becomes the guy, thats great. If he doesn’t. this year should be used to get the offense in place for whichever QB we draft early next year. and honestly, how much do you really think Mastrud, Shueler, or Epps is really going to contribute this year? I think next to nothing, so I really don’t have mush of a problem with giving Pryor their roster spot.
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Those guys can block
I hear you heatfan….
The difference is that since a TE can block you just cant put any old CB on him. Even those TE’s will run over the 5’11 200 lbs CB. So they line up a LB. Our problem now is that outside of Fasano nobody can beat a LB passing.
If your TE can’t block (and I’m not saying TP can’t block because I have no clue) then you just bring in an extra CB to cover him…
Then you have lost your matchup advantage.
are you kidding me?
6 foot 6, 230 LBS, runs a 4.40. what CB has a favorable matchup against that? He is a half foot taller and faster than most CB. He is a matchup nightmare whether they put LBs or CBs on him…
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Speed is nice
But there is much more to WR than speed and size otherwise this drat thing would be too easy. Do you know if he has any experience playing other positions besides QB?
No he doesn't (that I know of)
but think of all those athletes who were basketball players and became good TEs. Gates, Tony Gonzalez, possibly Jimmy Graham. You may not know, but Pryor was one of the top SFs in his class and could have gone to any basketball power he wanted. That athletic ability and he already has an understanding of football (not learning from scratch).
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"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
6'6 230 former QB that runs a 4.4. You know who that reminds me of?
Matt Jones. The same player that busted in Jacksonville that people swooned so much about and thought he could easily convert to WR. He never created matchup problems. There is much more required than size and speed. Pryor has never blocked in his life and is a huge liability as a TE. We drafted Clay to be the TE that can wreak havoc in the seam and he has more blocking ability. We also have Bess is a great slot WR that can do damage in the middle of the field.
I’m ok with trying Pryor as a 6/7th round project, but let’s not think he’s going to come in and light the NFL world on fire. He’s best suited for WR and he has a lot of quality players he’d need to beat out to see any playing time.
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Oh, by the way
Matt Jones was 6’6, 222 with 40 times of 4.37, 4.39, and 4.4. He also had a vertical jump of nearly 40 inches. So don’t think Pryor is any more athletic than Jones was.
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Matt Jones
Athletic ability was not Jones problem, Drugs were. And how often do these conversion to wr/te ever work?
by Northern Fin Fan on Aug 22, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Drugs were a problem. Athletic ability wasn't.
The failure of his athletic ability to ever produce on the field was the biggest problem. It’s not like Jones was good when drugs weren’t an issue.
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there are quite a few differences between the players...
Matt Jones was lighter and was too small to play TE and his off the field problems played a huge role in him busting. And I know Pryor has made mistakes, but he isnt involved in drugs as Jones was. Also Jones was a 1st round pick, Pryor could be had in the 4th. Sorry if I made it sound as though he is a sure thing because I know that is not the case. However, I do think he has a good chance to become a player at TE if given the year to learn.
On another note, I dont understand why people are sold on Clay already. He was a 6th round pick and has a long way to go before becoming a player in this league. Sure, he can become a decent TE, but is still a long ways away.
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He was 8 lbs lighter
And again, Pryor has no experience blocking in his life. Pryor in the 4th is just way too high. As for Jones, yes he had problems with Coke, but it isn’t like suspensions and drug issues were interfering with his chance to be good. He just wasn’t any good. 1st round pick or 4th round pick, his speed and size didn’t get him anywhere on the field.
If we wanted Pryor at TE and would invest a 4th, why the hell didn’t we invest a 3rd to trade for Greg Olsen or sign a college TE like Weslye Saunders were was fast enough to stretch the seam. I promise you, no matter where Pryor goes in this league, he will never be a TE. He’s not suited for the position. Heck, Roberto Wallace is more suited for TE because he at least has experience run blocking as a WR. If 6’6, 230 lbs, and a fast 40 was all it needed, there would have been several to have made the transition. So far, the only player to have attempted who met similar attributes, was Ernest Wilford. That didn’t work out too well.
As for Clay, I am not sold on him. However, I am not in favor of having Clay and Pryor as our TEs while forcing someone like Mastrud off the roster in favor of Pryor. Mastrud is no sure thing, but he is the only one I wouldn’t absolutely panic about if we lost Fasano to injury. I’d much rather not invest anything less than a 6th and if it works, we give Pryor a few weeks to compete for a WR slot with someone like Marlon Moore.
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Matt Jones stats (Yahoo)
First year: 36-432 5 TDs…
Last year (2008-2009) 65-7612 TDs
Not terribly bad stats
Say we spend a 3rd rounder…He’s a better investment than John Jerry.
John Jerry or Terrelle Pryor…
Definition: scatback, n., an offensive back in football who is elusive and fast. Out with the WILDCAT...and in with the WILD-SCAT:
WR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ LT LG C RG RT TE _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <- - - - - - - - - - - - - SC _ _ _ _ _ WR
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FB _ _QB (Henne) . . . . . . . . . . \_ SC = Bush/Sheets/Grigsby
by DolphDallas on Aug 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we send a 2rd pick for white shrimp!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 22, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That was as their top WR.
And he had many problems even with those stats. Just because Jerry didn’t work as a 3rd rounder, it doesn’t mean we need to use it on another high-likely bust.
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is he better than our 53rd man?
Yes. Does he have more upside than our 53rd man? Yes. He is going to be another tool we can use to create mismatches. Pull the trigger. If we can turn him into a QB that is just a bonus. If the patriots went and got him for a 3rd round pick no one would question that.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Where does he fit?
I’m all for bringing him in as a QB because he would compara favorably with our other project QB’s. But as a tight end… Could he beat out players that have been playing the position for years. As a WR I doubt he could make it on the team. Where else would he fit.
But as the 3rd QB he can learn for the future and still play today in wildcat or special plays. Hell the 3rd QB is always a project player anyway.
if you're willing to wait the 3 years on the chance that he may develop at QB, that your prerogative...
but I am not in favor of it. Also, think of it this way: best case scenario- Pryor becomes a great player in 3 years. However, now, all our skill position players are getting up there in age (Marshall would be 30, Bush 29, Bess 28 etc.) as are some key players on D (Wake 32, Bell 36). If we take Pryor as our QB of the future and we are wrong, it will set the franchise back another 5-8 years…
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hold on there
Did I ever say he was the QB of the future!!!!!! NO
He is a project QB that can also contribute in other ways. You can’t compare him to Henne or Moore. You need to compare him to Delvin and O’connel. Yeah… those guys that after pre season you won’t even remember. Those guys that won’t make the field this year no matter what.
At least with TP you have a developmental QB that can also run your wilcat. And lastly you’re only giving up a late round pick. Not a second round pick like they did with Pat White. You expect a 2dn round pick to get on the fiel and produce right away.
what is the point of developing a guy if you dont think he can be the franchise QB?
I get what you are saying but just don’t see the advantage of bringing in another QB with a very slight chance to be a good player. I think putting him at another position is safer and has a much higher chance of working out. I get where you’re coming from, I just respectfully disagree…
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Unless he has history at TE or WR
You can’t just bring someone in and say starting week 6 we want you to beat NFL caliber players at a position you’ve never played before.
thats not what I said...
I said give him a year to learn to be a TE. and there is a track record of great athletes transitioning from basketball late and becoming good TEs. Pryor has both that basketball history and big time college football experience. If, given a year he could become a difference maker IMO
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you can't stash someone like that on the practice squad
So he would need to play… even if its a backup role. I don’t see us carying an extra TE and WR are already over loaded.
for a guy with his potential, I just think you find a way to make it work...
you can put him on the field a few times in passing situations just to give the D something to think about. I would avoid having him in there to block right away though
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We agree to agree
I’m with you…. I just feel that the roster spot is not on the TE but on the QB… That 3rd QB is almost a waste of a spot for Delvin (from what I’ve seen).
With TP he can learn the 3rd QB spot and still get on the field in situations.
yup...
I think you meant to say agree to disagree, but I understand
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No I mean agree to agree
We can still try him at those positions on a limited basis. If he shows us something then maybe we make it more permanent.
We already tried this with Marcus Vick
No thanks! This would not improve our QB situation. We need to get away from “project” status at QB.
We will go at least 11-5 in 2011 because my nipples stood upright during the entire halftime show of the preseason game with Atlanta!
Brandstater
Or whatever his name was was so important to this team last year. Wow… I’m missing him already!!!! Do you even know where he is now?
Our QB situation is already set ….. Henne is the Starter and Moore is the backup maybe flip that if Henne start tanking. The 3rd QB will only see the field in desperation time and is always considered a project QB.
I personally would like to have a big strong lighning fast QB as my project QB because there is TONS of upside. Or maybe we cut him next year just like we did brandstanderehischessmizen.
come on man, dont critize Tom Brandstater...
he is a great QB with a 100% chance of winning the superbowl… lol (btw he is in Dallas)
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i think 1pm
I’m hoping they go for TP but not more that a 5th maybe a 4th if they see something in him.
Take a chance
Go no higher then a 6th rd. He is worth at least a Tom Brady (the pick, not the player).
As Brady once said to the Pats front office. “If you thought so much of me, why did you wait till the sixth round to draft me?”
by Northern Fin Fan on Aug 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
sparano can teach anyone the skills needed to block
He is someone teams would have to account for on every play. It isn’t like you are going to just blow by that guy because you might be running a play action pass to the guy. The guy is a big mismatch. He doesn’t have to be a LT, he just has to block well enough to be effective.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 22, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
sparano can teach anyone the skills needed to block
I wish he would do it with our O_line. He is suppose to be a OL guru, but they seem to be one of our weakest spots.
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I see Oakland getting him Davis is bat shit crazy enough to throw up a 2nd or 3rd for the kid
I dont see Jeff throwing anything more then a 6th or 7th,
the guy is suspended for 5 games needs time to learn. Jeff and co really need to save their jobs so I dont think this would be the right move as of now unless he would transition to TE but I would not complain if we got him for a 6th anything less is just crazy
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by Phinphinatic on Aug 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
but they will trade away their first rounder to the Patriots...
for some over-rated spare defensive lineman…
Definition: scatback, n., an offensive back in football who is elusive and fast. Out with the WILDCAT...and in with the WILD-SCAT:
WR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ LT LG C RG RT TE _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <- - - - - - - - - - - - - SC _ _ _ _ _ WR
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FB _ _QB (Henne) . . . . . . . . . . \_ SC = Bush/Sheets/Grigsby
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