Miami Dolphins Position Battles - The Offensive Line
by Kevin Nogle on Aug 16, 2011 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe Miami Dolphins offensive line has been a position of flux over the past few years. Head Coach Tony Sparano grew up as an offensive line coach, and he uses that knowledge to continually turn over the line, looking to find the combination that best serves the franchise.
The constant tinkering, however, has irritated many fans. It seems as though the movements of personnel among the different o-line positions, and on and off the first team, has resulted in a team of very skilled individuals that lack cohesion as a unit.
In 2011, that cohesion has to be there if Offensive Coordinator Brian Daboll's new "explosive" offense has a chance to succeed.
So, who plays where on the 2011 offensive line?
Well, offensive tackle Jack Long is an All-Pro, perennial Pro-Bowl, future Hall of Fame stalwart at the left tackle position.
That's one spot down.
Playing next to Long at the left guard position is currently Richie Incognito. Listed behind him on the depth chart is Ray Feinga - although Feinga has been practicing as the second team right guard as well.
Anchoring the middle of the line, rookie Mike Pouncey seems to have the center position locked down. Veteran Joe Berger continues to backup Pouncey.
The right guard position is currently manned by former starting right tackle Vernon Carey. As he makes the shift one position to the left, Carey is backed up by the Dolphins' starter from last year, John Jerry.
And finally, at right tackle, the Dolphins have newcomer Marc Colombo, with Nate Garner backing him up.
Add in Lydon Murtha, who is doing a very noteworthy job at the left tackle position while Long is listed on the Physically Unable to Perform list, Alan Barbre, Ray Willis, and D.,J. Jones, and the Dolphins currently have a lot of depth for Sparano to test out this preseason.
So far, the Dolphins offense line has struggled, both in practices and in the first preseason game against the Falcons. They have been beaten in both pass blocking and run blocking. The offensive line, Sparano's supposed strength, is one of the glaring weaknesses on the team.
How does it get fixed? And, who starts on the offensive line?
Personally, I think the line ends up being Long - Incognito - Pouncey - Carey - Murtha. That leaves Berger, Jerry, Columbo, Feinga, and Garner as the back ups. And that assumes the team keeps 10 offensive linemen.
No matter what the starting lineup eventually looks like, the team needs time to gel. I would expect the starting offensive line to get plenty of playing time this week against the Carolina Panthers.
As Coach Sparano told the entire team about the starters this week, "Well, I told the team today is that they all need to be ready to play until I’m tired of them playing, so I don’t know what that is, I don’t have a number yet so we’ll see where we go, but I think we will see some guys in there deep into the second quarter and maybe into the half."
Looks like we could see some exhausted linemen on Friday night.
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Marc Colombo Sucks
We have actually downgraded at RT. I hope Murtha starts against Pats at RT
by LimeyPhin on Aug 16, 2011 6:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i hope Murtha could fill in for the year at RT as well
but read below why that probably wont happen.
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we should have kept carey there
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I don't think 1 preseason game under this system is a fair gauge of whether...
Colombo sucks or not.
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Our OL is an interesting situation in Miami
We have the best LT in football so no matter, we will have the blind spot 99% covered for whoever plays QB, as long as big Jake stays healthy. This is huge.
Our interior line is solid however NOT spectacular. The best part of our guys here is our depth. Some of our backups might be starters elsewhere, and more importantly can easily sub in for our players to fight off fatigue. We might not have any TOP 10 players here, but Incognito, Pouncey, and Carey should all be servicable, at the VERY worst.
The only question mark is the RT position. Like you Mosul, I’m hoping SOMEONE can step up. Although I haven’t thought anything more of a camp body of Murtha, apparently he is doing well at LT so it would be an absolute blessing if he can come in and have similar success at RT. Hopefully between him and Columbo, we can maintain mediocrity at the RT.
The thing is, Murtha is filling in for Long while he is on the PUP and he wont be able to start at RT until possibly Week 1. I am not good with throwing someone to the wolves on MNF to start a brand new position against one of the best teams in football.
I think we should manage alright (BETTER than last year) yet half of me is still looking for a way to solve that RT spot now that Carey has moved on. I really wish we would have drafted a guy like Jah Reid in the middle rounds to come in and start, and I am even considering looking at possibly overpaying a vet like Stitchcomb just so I can sleep at night.
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the patriots defense is actually
not very good
but I see yoru point
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The Patriots D is good enough.
They don’t have that SUPERIOR pass rusher but they have an interesting position at NT and nobody really knows how well Wilfork/Albert can be until they step on the field. Plus they got Ellis, who’s familiar with attacking our line.
If we can establish the run, this is the team to grind out on to keep their offense off the field however; so I agree, I am very curious how this will turn out
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The Pats are probably going to run more 4-3 fronts
with Haynesworth and Wilfork as the DTs. They are going to be beasts up the middle.
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Miami will spread out against NE. Unless Henne goes all Max protect…guh
by Phins4life2334 on Aug 16, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But with that front 4
spreading out the defense might not be wise. I don’t trust our interior linemen to be able to handle VW and AH on a regular basis. We will probably need to keep a TE and/or FB in there to block as well.
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Actually that might be why we put Carey at RG, to help
the interior pass protect. Carey has always done better against bull rushers.
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Albert is in court, no?
Can’t help them there.
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On Murtha to RT...
I’m wondering why, if Sparano is even considering not starting Colombo, he isn’t giving Murtha some reps at RT in practice.
Is there a good reason not to do that, that I’m missing? If not, it seems like the HC has no doubts about Colombo. Which is worrisome.
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by AnishB15 on Aug 16, 2011 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who?
And how is it relevant to the RT spot? Inquiring minds, etc.
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Idk who
But here will probably be quite a few quality RT released during final cuts
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by AnishB15 on Aug 16, 2011 7:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Murtha played RT all 4 years
in Nebraska, so if Long isn’t ready, he needs all of this tiny window of time
practicing on the L.
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He can't really give Murtha RT reps in practice
There is no guarantee Long will be ready by the regular season. He’s the ONLY LT option we have right now. Once Long gets back on the practice field, then we can try him at RT.
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My understanding was that Long is on the PUP...
just to rest and make space available; physically, he could come off it and join TC at any time.
It’s very possible I misunderstood that, though.
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He's rehabbing some kind of knee injury
TS has been reticent on his condition, so who really knows what’s going on. We’ll see next week in camp.
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You're more sanguine about our interior than I am.
So far, they haven’t even looked serviceable. They got blown up by Atlanta, and it sounds like they’re getting blown up in TC.
Chad Henne took the Lindbergh baby!
They did have 12 practices in a new system....
Not sure how many of those were with the whole unit… They didn’t really gameplan for Atlanta. I would give them a pass, at least for another week. If you don’t see significant progress between now and week 4 of the preseason then you can panic. I think last year was a fluke. I think Sparano got overconfident with his ability to coach an offensive line up last year and tried to do too much with too little. I don’t think that is the case this year. He has watched more tape on Columbo than me or anyone else here on this site. If he says that Columbo is not going to have problems I will have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
murthas natural position is RT
this is the first time he has played LT and he has been pretty good from what i heard… so who knows, once long comes back i expect to see Murtha back at RT
Something needs to get done
I would like to see Murtha at RT instead of Columblow thing that worries me is if Carey will still be here next season if he walks then theres another hole to fill I wish we signed O’Hara instead of Columbo that would let us keep Carey at RT and have either Shaun or Pouncey at RG or Center and O’Hara could mentor Jerry (hopefully)
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you really don't know enough about Columbo to make that statement.
I trust the offensive line guru for now(see above explanation about last year). If he fails to put together a good line this year, we can say that the guy doesn’t know what he is doing, but so far he has given us 2/3 years of decent to dominant offensive line play.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Murtha
I would leave Carey at RT and put Murtha at RG because he is more agile and can pull better.
by miamimike71 on Aug 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
RGs do not need to pull as much as LGs.
Because HBs like to run right.
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RG doesn't pull much.
I think you really need to be more athletic at RT because you have speed rushers coming off the edge. Carey has never really been able to get a hand on most of the speedier rushers in the league.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with mosul
Long-Incognito-Pouncey-Carey-Murtha
I just hope Long gets healthy soon
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Swap Carey and Murtha is my suggestion because Murtha is more athletic and agile which is needed more for guards to pull.
by miamimike71 on Aug 16, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what you think it will be, or what you hope it will be?
My prediction: Long-Incognito-Pouncey-Carey-Colombo
My wish: Long-Pouncey-Incognito-Carey-Murtha
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Hope it will be
That’s what I think gives us the best chance to succeed. In any case though, I don’t think Columbo is starting material.
by miamimike71 on Aug 16, 2011 7:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My wish
Long-Incognito-Pouncey-Murtha-Carey
by miamimike71 on Aug 16, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So we have a RT that can't handle speed rushers and a RG that can't run block well?
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Yep...
That is what we are going for….. lol
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Either that ...
Or possibly move Jerry to RT. I thought we should have moved Carey to RG and Jerry to RT last year(I think I commented here somewhere about that). Its funny because when I said they should do that everyone called me crazy, but what happens then… we move Carey to RG…. I should be coaching the O-line….lol
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
John Jerry, by all accounts, is not looking good at RG...
and would probably look worse at RT.
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WR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ LT LG C RG RT TE _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <- - - - - - - - - - - - - SC _ _ _ _ _ WR
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FB _ _QB (Henne) . . . . . . . . . \_ SC = Bush/Grigsby/Livas
I actually loved our line 2 years ago....ever since then...with many changes....the
line has not been as good.
I hope
Either colombo gets it together, Murtha improves enough to start, or the bifecta has a guy that they think will be set loose in final roster cuts
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by AnishB15 on Aug 16, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
bifecta...I like it
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WR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ LT LG C RG RT TE _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <- - - - - - - - - - - - - SC _ _ _ _ _ WR
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FB _ _QB (Henne) . . . . . . . . . \_ SC = Bush/Grigsby/Livas
I don't really care who plays where
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Long, Pouncey, Incognito, Gardner, Murtha/Cary Is this best line IMO.
Long = best LT
Pouncey could pull Incognito can’t.
Incognito can play center and is best in small places. That’s a center.
Gardner could do everything. So this will be easy for him.
Murtha is showing potential at LT he may be able to do the same at RT. IF not, Cary isn’t THAT bad even though I’ll be looking for his replacement.
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I think the order they have right now is one example of not playing players to their strengths. I really think we have good players at the wrong position. But I’m no O line guru….
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by 54 on Aug 16, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
I agree with you about Pouncey and Incognito, but it seems the organization is dead-set on playing Pouncey at Center for whatever reason.
by miamimike71 on Aug 16, 2011 8:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's simple, we drafted him at 15.
No one drafts a LG at 15.
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by 54 on Aug 16, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Brings me back to my longstanding problem with that kind of thinking.
No matter where you drafted the players on your team, or what you’re paying the players on your team, they are all sunk costs. You’ve spent your picks and your money. The question now is, how do you deploy the talent you’ve accumulated? How do you field the best team?
The notion that a guy has to play at a certain position (or a certain amount) because of where he was drafted or what he gets paid is goofy. You’ve paid what you’ve paid, you’ve got a group of guys, run ’em out there where they fit the best. End of story.
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Totally agree
My point exactly urbino. I wouldn’t care if we had to play Henne at Wr if it was best for the team-lol
by miamimike71 on Aug 16, 2011 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I did a fan post about it, I dunno, a year or maybe 2 ago.
That kind of thinking has just never made any sense at all to me. It comes up all the time on sports shows, usually in the context of why some player is still getting snaps or at-bats even though he’s pulling a large vacuum. “Well, you can’t sit a guy who’s making x million dollars a year. You just can’t.”
Bullshit. Of course you can. You’re already overpaying the guy. Don’t compound your mistake by also overplaying him.
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Agree completely
The problem with the system is there is a presigned $$value to each draft pick – or range of draft picks…so mystifyingly even though all 32 teams get one pick in the first round the team with the first pick can expect to pay twice as much as the team with the 10th pick and three times as much as the team with the 20th pick.
Then there’s the initial value scale attached to what position a player playes…QBs get paid the most, even though a first round QB is Far more likely to bust than any other position..Left tackles, shutdown corners, pass rushing OLB’s yadayada…
Both varibles are applied as if the level of player talent is fixed and predictable….but it’s neither.
How can you justify giving an unproven QB $50 million when teams which finished with better records than you did only spent $25 million on a pass rusher, who will be ready to go on opening day and then take the money they saved and get a veteran FA with it?
On Friday night we’ll see Cam Newton, who under the new rules will be paid $22 million (one quarter of what he woujld have been paid a year ago). At some point Matt Moore, the guy Carolina let go to make room for Newton is going to take the field as well. Moore is getting $2.5 million…no matter how good Newton turns out to be, he’s not 10 times better than Moore.
As you say it’s crazy to say “we need a center but 15 is too high to take one.”
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 17, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't care
I don’t give a damn where somebody was drafted. You don’t base personnel decisions on what # picks they were- you put players in the BEST possible positions of strength for your team to compete and win- period.
by miamimike71 on Aug 16, 2011 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carey isn't that bad....
As long as the defense doesn’t have a speed rusher… If they have a bigger DE, he can own them. If it is a smaller OLB.. he usually can’t even tag them with one hand on the way by to the QB….
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh... and there are a lot of teams with elite speed rushers...
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ya but vgery few of them play defensive tackle
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 17, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the feeling...
we’ll be doing a lot of chipping with a back on the right side.
Chad Henne took the Lindbergh baby!
We normally keep 9 OL on the roster
Of the 10 Mosul listed as starters and backups, Jerry is likely gone. I don’t think we can afford to carry ten OL. Garner and Berger have versatility to play multiple positions whereas Jerry doesn’t.
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I think Berger goes, Jerry stays
We have 3 guys that can play C, Jerry can play RG and RT
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by AnishB15 on Aug 16, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Jerry could play RT or LT maybe ...
If Long is out for an extended period that is… Not sure why we haven’t seen him at RT at least for a little bit already.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Berger is the odd man out....
He is old and he knows that he is nothing but an overpaid backup. Jerry could be developed into a decent RT. His problem at RG was he didn’t work too well in a tight space(stepped on Henne’s feet 2x in one game as I recall). RT is more natural for him I think and would allow him to bring his athleticism into the picture, which we didn’t really see much last year because he was in such a confined space.
Prove everyone that said you weren't a franchise QB wrong, Henne. "WE WANT HENNE!!" GO PHINS!! What can I say I am a homer, I have come to terms with that and accepted it. I predict 10-6 and a wildcard berth. Jets got worse this year when they lost Ellis to the Patriots. The Patriots are going to be more solid on defense this year than they have in the past.
by Jason Scott_90 on Aug 16, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Mississippi moved Jerry to RG for the same reasons that we moved Carey to RG
He is suppose to be a mauler, but not good with the speed rush: 6-5 328
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WR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ LT LG C RG RT TE _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <- - - - - - - - - - - - - SC _ _ _ _ _ WR
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FB _ _QB (Henne) . . . . . . . . . \_ SC = Bush/Grigsby/Livas
My wish
Long-Pouncey-Incognito-Murtha-Carey
OR
Long/Murtha-Pouncey-O’hara-Incognito-Carey
or
Long-Pouncey-Incognito-Carey-Mckinnie
you want Murtha at RG?
Really?
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
Bring back Pat White. He is the chosen one.
OK but three wishes is all you get.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 17, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Heresy Considered: Move Jake Long to RT when he comes back...
Here me out:
IF Lydon Murtha is decent at LT and takes the majority of practice reps at LT, you wouldn’t have to move him back to RT.
IF the FO puts Incognito where he belongs (at Center, how hard is it to see this?) and uses Pouncey at LG (where he is more experienced and more comfortable).
Then we have Murtha – Pouncey – Incognito – Carey – Long
If you want to run right, pull with Pouncey and run behind Long
If you want to run left, pull Long instead of Carey and run behind a pulling Long (that’s a good thing)
Whether you run right or left, you get to run behind Jake Long…that’s a good thing.
You can even put the TE on the left side to help Murtha and put the FB/HB on the LT side to help Murtha at least at the beginning.
In my opinion, Road Graders Incognito © – Carey (RG) – Long (RT) would be Epic. Back it up with a pulling Pouncey and you’ve got some serious ownage on the right or a wide open cutback lane for Reggie Bush (or Gates on a reverse) on the backside.
It all depends on how Murtha performs at LT throughout preseason and in practice.
One last thing, with Long at RT you could do away with the TE altogether and use Bess and Gates or Bush more in the slot (that is also a good thing).
Definition: scatback, n., an offensive back in football who is elusive and fast. Out with the WILDCAT...and in with the WILD-SCAT:
WR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ LT LG C RG RT TE _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <- - - - - - - - - - - - - SC _ _ _ _ _ WR
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FB _ _QB (Henne) . . . . . . . . . \_ SC = Bush/Grigsby/Livas
That's a provocative idea.
I dig it. I dunno if it would work, but I like the outside-the-box-ness of it.
Chad Henne took the Lindbergh baby!
uhhh... no
LT is one of the most important positions on the entire offense. The LT protects the QB’s blindside and helps to prevent the quarterback from fumbling/ injuring himself. Long is comfortable there and is a 3 time probowler. Why move him? Murtha is natural at RT, not LT. He is only doing it because Colombo can’t at all. Why move him there?
It’s good to have a center that can pull because he pulls both ways and has to be athletic, which is why Pouncey is there.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
Bring back Pat White. He is the chosen one.
Yep, that sounds like heresy to me.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 17, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
My prediction is that by week 3 in the preseason the line will be
Long-Incog-Pouncey-Carey-Murtha
Murtha is doing well at LT, and his most natural position is RT. Give this line 2 weeks of practice and 2 games together and we’ll be fine.
Long and Murtha should handle their own on the outside vs. the Patriots. What I’m nervous about is the 3 inside vs. Wilfork and Haynesworth. That will be a tough duo to run on.
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
Bring back Pat White. He is the chosen one.
What we need is ...Jon Stinchcomb
Saints Rt since 2003, Pro Bowl 2009, SB ring, Drew Brees called him the best teM-Mte he’d ever had…this guy can help us.
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Fightin' in a basement offers a lot of difficulties. Number one being, you're fightin' in a basement! ...
teamate I imagine...
"The only difference between dissapointment and depression is your level of comittment."
Teammate....yes
Still adjusting to the new keyboard…I think he liked him.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 17, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No worries.
I was trying to turn it into some form of “right tackle,” and getting absolutely nowhere. :)
Chad Henne took the Lindbergh baby!
Understandable...lol.
While I do get obscure I almost always try to keep it to actual English.
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by PhrozenPhish on Aug 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
O-Line how do we fix it?
Long-Pouncey-Incog-Waters-Murtha
Backups—Garner, Carey, Columbo, Jerry
This thing is a mess. We need to set this line soon. An play people at their natural positions.
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
Winston Churchill
LOL... we get mad at TS for tinkering then in all of our knowledge we advise...
more tinkering. I think Tony had his line set last year until crazy things happened like Grove hurting himself and then Smiley doing the same. Neither are on rosters, and smiley is retired. I think TS is making the best out of our OL as he can.
"The only difference between dissapointment and depression is your level of comittment."
Murtha is play LT because Long is on PUP
everyone obviously knew that but apparently know one knows Murthas natural position and the position he mostly played at Nebraska was RT. If he has been impressing this much at LT then i would assume he would equally impress at RT. I wouldnt be surprise to see him starting at RT week 1.. that is assuming long will be back for that game.
This is preseason; but as we "all should know'' it takes at least (8 effing game's) of playing {side by side} just to get to know each others tendasies !
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Aug 17, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
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