We can win the AFC East.
by edgeofgreatness11 on Aug 1, 2011 6:33 PM EDT
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PrintIts been a long time since people thought the dolphins were elite. Some will say that its fan fever but I happen to believe we are there.
When you breakdown this roster you need to look at everything. Their offense was very slow last year. The dolphins running backs were getting old and past their prime. They didnt have a deep threat to make safeties back up and create space in the passing game which also put more people in the box to stop our running game and they got rid of an old school offensive coordinator when all the best offensives are showing that new school is superior.
Take a look at a projected starting offensive to this point:
OFFENSIVE LINE: Jake Long,Richie Incognito, Mike Pouncey, John Jerry, Vernon Carey
- Besides John Jerry which is a question mark, the dolphins offensive line is very good and very solid. Just picked up Colombo from dallas who can compete with Carey. Also have heard rumors about O'Hara from the gmen who would be a great asset.
TIGHT ENDS: They still have a solid Anthony Fasano to start at tight end for us. They drafted Charles Clay out of Tulsa which all that i have heard is good things about and that he is a very athletic versatile player. Have heard recent rumors about Zach Miller which would be rediculously awesome.
Runningbacks: The phins drafted Daniel Thomas. The big bruiser that can carry the load and catch the ball out of the backfield. He can even run the overrated Wildcat that Henning used too much because he USE to be a quarterback (no disrespect to my man ronnie brown but he threw some ducks sometimes). We also now have Reggie Bush who is one of the most dynamic and versatile players in the league. Checkdown chad has a great checkdown fellas. He is another receiver out there. I know everyone loves Ricky and Ronnie but they are past their primes and its time for fresh exciting legs.
Wide Receivers: Ill start this anaylsis off by saying Brandon Marshall might say he is the fastest he has ever been since the stabbing and im not saying he isnt a deep threat but he is a possession beast. This guy can go deep but he works his best in the middle depth of defenses. He is one of the top receivers in all of football and i would only put a few guys like andre johnson, calvin johnson, and larry fitzgerald above him. With no speed last year Marshall was forced to become a deep threat on our team when thats simply not his biggest strength. If Edmund Gates can get those safeties out of there with his deep routes he will open up everything for our great receivers Brandon Marshall and Davone Bess. Davone Bess is the Wes Welker of Miami. Hartline is a solid receiver as well. The strength of our offense has to come from these guys right here because they are one of the best WR cores in the game.
Quarterback: They put the pieces around Henne and everyones going to follow him this season and give him that last chance he asked for
Our defense is a top 5 defense in this league.
The Miami Dolphins defensive line is absolutely stacked. Randy Starks was a pro bowl defensive end to go with langford who is also a beast. Jared Odrick coming back from injury is basically another 1st round pick coming in who also plays defensive end. They signed Mcdaniels back who loves aqua and orange as much as we do. Paul Soliai was an absolute beast last year and he will be playing noseguard again for us. The depth of this line is elite.
We have the best linebackers in the AFC EAST and one of the best LB cores in all of the NFL. Karlos Dansby is an athletic smart field general out there. Loud mouth overrated Channing Crowder is gone and he was replaced with Kevin Burnett who started last year for the #1 defense in the league and had 95 tackles 2 FF 2 INT 6 SACKS and a touchdown. That is great upgrade because crowder was a decent run stopper but simply didnt make game changing plays. Koa Misi had a great rookie year and has a very promising future and will start at OLB again. Who is that last linebacker we have? His names Cameron Wake and he is an absolute monster and thats all i have to say about him. We also just signed Jason Taylor who is going to be a great backup outside linebacker that may play some defensive end as well.
The dolphins starting corners are vontae davis and sean smith. These two guys are one of the top tandems in the league and are just athletic as hell. Sean Smith is like 6'3 and can guard the bigger guys while ill happily put Vontae davis on the other teams top wideout any day 1 on 1. The guy is shut down. Dont forget we have Will Allen who use to be a stud and hopefully can be a solid nickelback for us. Nolan Carroll is a young promising athletic corner and Sapp is a scrappy veteran.....both of these guys also completely able to hold their own. The dolphins safeties is the only possible weakness of this defense. These guys are going to have to step it up. I think Reshad Jones has a lot of upside and tons of potential but needs to get on the field to prove it. Chris Clemons is solid and needs to make some plays to show why he should be on the field. Yeremiah Bell led this defense for a few years and is smart and almost like another linebacker out there so he needs to also prove he should still be out there.
Im sick of hearing about the Jets and the Patriots. Sanchez cant get it done and the patriots are getting younger and more immature by the minute with there 80 draft picks this year and hot head signings. They are cocky and immature squads and the dolphins are ready to get that south beach swagger and shut those teams up. LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
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Yes we can
Miami has the talent….i love that JT is back…..JT and Wake on 3rd down coming at the QB….no stopping that…
Anything can happen..
Although it would help our odds if Brady went out for the year lol
Laces out!
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the dolphins
the last two years are a combined 14-18, the jets are 24-14, the pats are 24-10. the dolphins’ biggest FA signings were reggie bush and a guy who was benched twice for Jimmy Clausen. the Jets and Pats have shown themselves to be at the top of the AFC in recent years.
the dolphins are actually a decent team, they just have the bad luck of being in the same division as two teams who are going to be very good for a long time. get to .500 before you start talking about winning the division
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
really?
Because I’m pretty sure we went from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season. And Plaxico won’t be an upgrade for you guys.
Sign Zach Miller Por Favor...
I got S + What a Dog's Tail Does.
nobody said he would
and nobody said the dolphins can’t do it, i’m just arguing that anyone looking objectively at the dolphins would not predict them to win the division. the jets and the patriots are considered to be two of the top teams in the AFC. if you had to choose playoff teams right now based on talent alone (which is more magnified with the lockout)- they would be:
NE, NYJ, Pitt, Balt, Indy, and the winner of SD/KC (for arguments sake, let’s take SD because I think they’re better.
do you really believe in your heart that they are better than any of those teams. they’d not only have to take a big step up, but both the pats AND jets would have to suffer setbacks. they’re not winning the division and they’re not making the playoffs. they’ll be in that group of teams like Hou, Jax, and the loser of SD/KC. decent teams that play you tough, but not good enough to make the playoffs
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
easy to say, harder to believe. they were 9-7 with a 2-1 record in the playoffs with half of the team injured, a rookie QB, a rookie head coach, and lito sheppard lining up opposite revis. do dolphins fans really believe the Jets not only will go 8-8, but be lucky to go 8-8? that’s absurd. it could happen, but what are you basing it on, your magic 8 ball, a dislike for rex ryan? maybe you’re a hands guy instead of a feet guy. whatever it is, know that you sound ridiculous
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Jets where what 22nd in the NFL is passing...you they replace there playmaker Edwards with a 33 years Burrress...
Enough said…you have 1 WR that can make plays….you need more than that
Explain how the Jets have improved themselves and we might believe you
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You guys lucked into a lot of wins last year,
and that’s not including the fact that Sanchez had way more dropped INT’s than any other QB in the league. Given that you haven’t upgraded any important pieces and lost Brad Smith. I think you’re about the same level as we are as a team.
they did, but they still have a good D
i see them around 7-10 wins.
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how do you figure? i hate them more than anyone but they kept most of their talent
except woody and t-richardson and brad smith…thats not a 3-4 win swing, maybe 1-2
must be boring over at gg nation!
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by daytonadolfan on Aug 1, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Here comes the unsolicited douche brigade.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
Um........
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
lol
TO ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE; ONE MUST STUDY,TO ACQUIRE WISDOM ONE MUST OBSERVE !!
REMEMBER THE KING AND THE PAWN GO IN THE SAME BOX WHEN THE GAME IS OVER !!!
YOU ARE NOT BORN A WINNER, YOU ARE NOT BORN A LOSER, YOU ARE WHAT YOU MAKE YOURSELF BECOME !!
cmon now.
kansas city is not going to do anything this year. The jets lost brad smith and braylon edwards at this point from my understanding and replaced it with a 34 year old guy that just got out of prison. Those are two huge pieces to their offense and plaxico could be nothing. santonio holmes cant catch every ball for the jets…and the patriots problem last year is that they were too young and inexperienced. they have cut a ton of veterans and only replaced them with albert and ochocinco and about another 20 rookies.
the steelers are overrated and should have lost like 3 games last year and the dolphins game being one of them.
by edgeofgreatness11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
kc could still
be pretty good this year, tough to say really, but i don’t think you guys are going to be competing with them for a playoff spot. you’ll have to be better than the loser of pats/jets and ravens/steelers not to mention the other decent teams in the AFC. i just don’t think the dolphins are on talent alone. you can look up what i said last year and it was 7-9 to 9-7 depending on the breaks for the phins and 11-5 to 13-3 for the jets. i don’t think i’m being unreasonable about saying i don’t think the phins will be better than either the pats or the jets. as for the loss of smith and edwards:
brad smith is negligible because of the new kick off rules and quite simply, cromartie was a better return man by the end of last year. braylon is the only really big loss, but plax is low risk, high reward. i don’t mind not having too many great receivers- there’s only one ball to go around and i’d rather sanchez not be torn having to appease two #1s. also, as for not improving, keeping the same core of young guys and being consistent is in a sense improving, the jets have many of the same key guys in place this year.
the dolphins just have the misfortune of playing in a division with two great teams (like the rays in baseball or the browns in the AFC north), unless there are massive injuries to one of those two squads at the top, they’re getting at minimum 10 wins.
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe the phins
would be lucky to achieve that, seeing as how they haven’t gotten to 8 wins in the past two years
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Kevin
do us all a favor and quit bantering with the Jets fans - your arguments are lame. For now UNTIL PROVEN ON THE FIELD the Dolphins are the 3rd best team in the division. The Dolphins did sign some good players which should improve the team, but as everyone knows, the Jets and Patriots are the teams to beat in the AFC East, and I’ll admit that. Your arguments that you’ve been spewing are pretty lame.
Predictions don’t matter — let’s get it done on the field.
Nobody hurt a tackler like Zonk did.
by rintintinsoldier on Aug 2, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHA
thanks rintintinsoldier for putting kevin13 in his place! i’m a huge dolphins fan, but let’s be realistic. I want to see it before I believe it. And don’t get me wrong, I’m very hopeful, but let’s get football started already! :D
...yay
...I'm drunk and pessimistic
i hate cam newton.
***on the bandwagon for give more weapons for henne, let's see if he performs then***
To be fair
You have a very valid argument. I think one of the leading sportsbooks has the over/under for Dolphins victories at 8, with vig on the under. So yeah, the so called experts only have us pegged to win about 8 games.
I think it’s hard to pin the number of wins we’ll get. On one hand, we didnt improve the QB situation any, so a lot depends on whether Henne improves or not. I’m skeptical about this. As well, some in Phinsider Nation, including myself, are a little skeptical how Daniel Thomas will perform in the NFL. Brandon Marshall has serious issues which may or may not affect his performance this year. Reggie Bush has been injured and ineffective lately. That’s the bear argument.
The bull case is that the Burnett signing greatly improves our defense, and Smith and Davis are young emerging Tier-1 CB’s. Henne could improve still, and we have lots of potential for improvement. The addition of Pouncey helps the line and we finally added a deep threat receiver, although his effectiveness may not be immediate.
It really could go either way this year. I can see anywhere from 7 wins to 11.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I can also envision a scenario
Where the Dolphins defense improves over last year, including getting more takeaways, and the offense only marginally improves but thats enough to take us to double digit wins and a wildcard berth. Kinda like the 2000 Ravens but not quite as dominating defense but a bit better offense.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
The amount of wins we get this year
Will basically be correlated to how well the offense performs and how many extra takeaways we get this year on defense vs. last year. Although we went 7-9, there were 3 or 4 games that went to the wire that a little extra offense or big play on defense could have swung our way.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I think one of the leading sportsbooks has the over/under for Dolphins victories at 8
These sorts of things are more set by the actual bettors then some expert or group of experts.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
Actually,
They’re set by the head bookmaker who is generally very skilled in league knowledge. He’ll (or committee) sets the line before the betting public does the wagering. The line (and vig) wuill move accordingly afterwards.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Yes thats is correct. I missspoke. That is how the line is set to begin with
and then it moves with betters and basically against where the money is being placed. Whats important to remember though is these lines were set months ago not taking many current things in to account.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
According to 2 of the Top Betting Websites
Bodog and Bet365, the Dolphins are 50:1 odds to win the SuperBowl. These are not that high and actually indicate that Miami will not make the playoffs. Essentially, you can find odds all over the place RIGHT NOW that Miami won;t win 8 games this year – and you might still get better that 1:1 odds on that bet. Whether the betting experts or general public are underestimating our chanes is up for debate. Certainly our prospects judging from Phinsider Nation are more optimistic.
Teams
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Green Bay Packers
7/1 Bodog
7/1 Bet365
New England Patriots
7/1
7/1
San Diego Chargers
10/1
10/1
Pittsburgh Steelers
12/1
10/1
Atlanta Falcons
14/1
14/1
New York Jets
14/1
15/1
Baltimore Ravens
15/1
14/1
Dallas Cowboys
15/1
16/1
Philadelphia Eagles
15/1
14/1
New Orleans Saints
16/1
15/1
Indianapolis Colts
18/1
16/1
New York Giants
18/1
18/1
Minnesota Vikings
25/1
35/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
30/1
33/1
Chicago Bears
30/1
28/1
Houston Texans
30/1
33/1
Kansas City Chiefs
35/1
35/1
Detroit Lions
35/1
40/1
San Francisco 49ers
40/1
50/1
St. Louis Rams
45/1
40/1
Oakland Raiders
50/1
50/1
Miami Dolphins
50/1
50/1
Tennessee Titans
55/1
50/1
Washington Redskins
60/1
60/1
Denver Broncos
65/1
50/1
Seattle Seahawks
75/1
60/1
Arizona Cardinals
75/1
60/1
Jacksonville Jaguars
75/1
60/1
Cleveland Browns
75/1
80/1
Cincinnati Bengals
80/1
60/1
Buffalo Bills
100/1
100/1
Carolina Panthers
125/1
100/1
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Well only a fool would pick the Phins to win the SB based on last
year and like I said many of those odds were set months ago. Some the day after the least SB.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
It doesn't matter when the odds were set
These are the odds RIGHT NOW. They would move up or down accordingly if the general public thought the odds were mispriced. And I doubt they were set months ago – maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago. Just saying FWIW.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
There are always odds that come out right after the superbowl.
Every single year!
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
by texascowpunk on Aug 1, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I just cant see
How we’re tied with the Raiders in overall likelihood to win the SB. That’s pretty demeaning.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Yeah, about this:
i just don’t think the dolphins are on talent alone.
Ok, let’s compare the two teams. In regards to talent, the Jets are better at the starting CB position, RB, and on the O-line. The Dolphins are better on the D-line, LB, WR, and depth. We are even at the QB position, safety position and TE position. I know you’re a big time Jets homer and you’re not going to agree. But if you look objectively, you’ll see the Jets and Dolphins are very close talent wise.
Before you retort, I’ll explain the situation to you. First of all, we have the best overall D-line in the division. No one else has the level of talent AND depth we do. We have the best overall LB core in the division. Our ILBs aren’t quite as good as the Jets, but no one has better OLBs. Wake alone, makes our OLBs the best. And again, we have better talent AND depth at that position. At, CB, you guys have the best starting duo, thanks to Revis. But we have a very good duo of our own, and once again depth. Remember how you guys were saying that Wilson was so much better than Davis and Smith? How did that work out for you? Revis is elite and that sets the bar. But in terms of talent AND depth, it’s hard to match the Dolphins in the division. At safety, you guys are better at FS, we are better at SS (and no, Leonhard is not better than Bell, sorry).
On offense, you guys have the better overall O-line. We have the better OTs though. Long > Brick and Carey > whoever you guys are having to start over there. You have the better interior line. At WR, we have tons of talent and once again, depth. You guys have Holmes, Burress (if you are expecting much from him, it’s your own fault), and Cotchery (who you are trying to trade). We have Marshall, Bess, Hartline, and now have speed from Gates. At TE, you have a better receiving threat in Keller, we have a better blocker in Fasano. At RB, you guys have the slight edge there. And we’re not even going to start on the QB situation again.
Of course, you’re not going to agree with this. But that’s because you aren’t looking objectively. And you make statements like how the Jets were a few breaks from being 13-3 last year. So were we in 2008. Last season, you caught some breaks that I can virtually guarantee you won’t get this season (like Sanchez throwing like 20 passes that could have been INTs, but were dropped). So not only aren’t you going to catch all the breaks, but your team has gotten worse. You guys will still be competitive. But to think you are so much farther ahead of us is wishful thinking. It no longer matter about those AFC Conference games. It’s about what you can do right now.
So statements like this:
the dolphins just have the misfortune of playing in a division with two great teams
You’re getting WAY too far ahead of yourself. Right now, it’s 0-0 for everyone. And I think you’ll find you aren’t as great as you thought you were. You’ll also find that we’re not as bad as you thought we were.
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by The Earl on Aug 1, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Thanks
I probably just wasted my time because they can’t look at anything objectively. Do I think we’re a contender for the AFCE title? Not really. But these guys like to come in here and strut around like peacocks and proclaim their greatness. It reminds me of a comment I saw on PFT the other day. There was an article about SF getting in the hunt for Asomugha. One Jets fan commented something to the tune of leave Asomugha alone; you guys had Montana and Young, WE NEED THIS! He actually said “WE NEED THIS”. They are just as desperate as we are for a title, yet they somehow think they are so great. There is a reason Asomugha went to Philly, Heap signed with Arizona while he was in NY, and why their biggest FA signing is a 34 year old ex-con who hasn’t played football in 2 years and would have been happy to play for ANYONE at this point. There’s a reason rats desert a sinking ship. They just can’t see it.
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to be fair
we’re not even at the QB position. sanchez has won big games with his arm in the playoffs. the guy you guys picked up was clausen’s back up. matt moore and chad henne are losers, plain and simple. say what you want about sanchez’s stats, but in only 3 years of very competitive football he’s been a winner (USC and 2 years with the jets). he has won games on his arm, not just letting the defense win it, look up his playoff numbers if you need proof. until one of the two QBs on the phins roster proves to have that winning edge, they’re not as good as sanchez. period, the end.
now position by position after that:
RB: Jets committee > reggie bush et al Revis and Cro are the key to the NYJ defense and the D is based around them. Similarly- the phins defense is based around the line and Wake. It’s apples and oranges. The Jets defense is higher ranked, but I think that has more to do with the coaching than anything else.
-OL: Jets, phins have the better LT, but he’s not that much better (1st overall vs. something like 5th overall) and after that, it’s Jets by a lot on the interior. as for RT, i don’t know enough about either team’s situation to say it.
-TE: Toss up, I like Fasano, but he’s not much of a receiving threat. Keller commands double teams, but Keller can’t block. you can make the pick
-WR: Toss up. You’ll disagree, but I’d rather have the Jets receivers than the Dolphins for the simple fact that they compliment each other. The Dolphins lack team speed, which will not be remedied simply by drafting a guy from Abilene Christian
-Defense Overall: I don’t like to go by individuals because defenses all play such different styles. For instance
you’re right earl in the sense that everyone is 0-0 and it’s a new season, but at the same time, you can’t just rewrite history. the jets and pats have been there the last few years and have kept their core guys. they have success to build off of this year. miami must do things differently if they want to win this year. having to change your team with a new OC, a new QB, and a new OLine all in a lockout shortened season simply does not seem realistic. you can say i’m being a homer, but i feel like i look at this fairly objectively.
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Revis and Cro are the key to the NYJ defense and the D is based around them. Similarly- the phins defense is based around the line and Wake. It’s apples and oranges. The Jets defense is higher ranked, but I think that has more to do with the coaching than anything else.
Actually that’s not totally true. Smith and Davis are 2 of the best young up-and-coming CB’s in the NFL. Certainly not on par with Revis and Cro right now – and probably never will be (at least with Revis) – but these guys can slow down a good passing game.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I think Revis will alway top them if even slightly but combined I think we will come
out ahead in that comparison in the long run.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
I donno
Revis & Cromartie are awesome. You’re right that Smith or Davis will never get to Revis’s level. That man is rightfully All-NFL – the Champ Bailey of recent times.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Just saying that if Smith and Davis live up to their potential we will give
Revis and whatever person they stick next to him a run for their money as far as best tandem. Sure Revis will still be the best of the 4.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
REVIS is BEST
I’d take Vontae 2nd
Smith 3rd
Cromartie 4th.
They have a better starting 2 (best in the NFL), i think we have better depth.
Laces out!
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It amazes me how much the Jets fans and the NE media bias overrates Sanchez.
At least us Phin fans are not in denial about the truth. Good luck with that one.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Co-Captain of the Lindley to Miami in 2012 bandwagon!
what did i say???
look, i actually try to talk civilly about football, i’ve never really insulted the dolphins anywhere in a post, but this is ridiculous that you’re not getting the point, so perhaps i have to resort to that.
Henne/Matt Moore are garbage, there is a reason nobody considers them franchise QBs. I don’t care what anyone’s stats are. Would Henne have gone into NE in the playoffs and won? Here’s Sanchez’s numbers from the playoffs this year, maybe you missed it because the dolphins were at home. 54/89 (61%) for 5 TDs, 1 pick and a 95.5 rating. He has won at least 5 games on his arm this past year. What is the argument. Henne vs. Sanchez is summed up like this:
Both put up garbage numbers, but when it counts Sanchez takes over and Henne continues to be garbage. It’s like talking to a wall, my god
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Was I attacking you? I stand by my opinion. Sanchez has been carried by
what was for sure the best defense in the league. Might get you one if your real, real lucky. I am going to say not going to happen because I still believe in karma.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
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Sanchez also has probowler all around him, His line , RB, WRs, FB, TE,
Im not saying sanchez is not good , Im just saying you over-rate him
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Sanchez and Henne both blow
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by BSerious72 on Aug 1, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All I'm saying is we're building our team for the future
The Jets are better now but their approach is WIN now or FML. Their pieces are built around Tomlinson, Burress, Santonio, Revis, Cromartie, Harris, and Mangold. Ours are built around Thomas, Marshall, Bess, Vontae, S. Smith, Wake, Dansby, and Long.
See the difference? Were talking about 20+ combined years.
All I’m saying is we’re trying to build a dynasty. If we finally get good QB play from Henne, or MY CHOICE if we Kyle Orton, even if it’s a temp move, that dynasty can start as soon as next month.
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you guys can't have it both ways
if henne and sanchez both suck then sanchez wins because the jets are much more talented. if sanchez wins and henne loses, but the jets and dolphins are equal, then sanchez must be much better than henne
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only in your eyes
because the jets are much more talented
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Crimetime
Sadly, I agree with you. I’d take Sanchez over Henne in a heartbeat because Sanchez does have the ability to step up.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Until Henne steps up, we have the worst QB play in the EAST. Agreed.
However Sanchez isn’t far behind and I’m pretty sure you got the benefit on the doubt and lucked out a bunch of games where we weren’t as fortunate.
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Most of that Jet and NE media bias
resides in ESPN, Connecticut.
Connecticut is just that way—my brother lived there for years and says the northern half of the state are Pats fans, and the southern half are Jets fans. Almost no Giants fans there…all Jets and Pats. For that I blame, mostly, ESPN. Don’t forget that both teams have sucked for most of their existence, but still ESPN loves them!
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by lifeimitatesfootball on Aug 1, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Again Crimetime, you can't see the forest for the trees
Whatever dude. I knew you couldn’t look at anything objectively and I’m mad at myself for thinking you could. It’s like reasoning with a child. You completely discredit everything about Miami while at no point did you ever address the fact that you have weaknesses (and you have PLENTY) on your team.
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here's the forest
the past two years the jets have won 24 total games, the phins have won 14. the teams don’t have vastly different personnel this year. it’s a short offseason, which favors successfull teams. there’s no logical reason to think that the phins will be better than the jets, let alone the pats
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the trees
You’re QB hasn’t improved enough that he can be relied upon to carry the team. Your team hasn’t really improved that much this off-season. If fact, it got weaker. Your RT retired leaving a hole there. Your best DE left and you are replacing him with a rookie. You haven’t improved your pass rush. You don’t know what you’re going to get from Greene since he STILL hasn’t be a lead back. You can’t expect LT to have a start to the season like he did last year. You still have a need at FS, unless you resign Pool. Your WR core is 3rd best in the AFCE at best. You wouldn’t have even made the playoffs in 09 if teams hadn’t laid down for you. You caught a TON of breaks last year, that you won’t catch this year.
The problem is while most teams are trying to improve, the Jets think they still have what it takes. I like what Warren Sapp said the other day. He said if you think you are only one player away, then you need to think again. The Dolphins are working on getting better. We’ve improved our O-line. We’d increased team speed. We’ve enhanced a great defense. The Pats are trying to improve their WR core, D-line and keeping their O-line intact. The Bills are trying bless their hearts. But the Jets are just standing still, if not moving backwards. And if they (and by extension the fans) think that they are still good enough, then like Sapp said, they need to think again. OCs will figure out Ryan’s blitzes. They will find away to take Revis out of the game. Holmes can say hello to double coverage. Once the injuries hit, the lack of depth will be incredibly evident.
I’m not saying that I think the Dolphins are great and will contend for the playoffs. But we aren’t as bad as you think. And I also think that the Jets are living on the past and that gets you nowhere. Those two AFC title game appearances mean nothing. That isn’t a guarantee that you’ll get back there. So instead of bragging, you should be watching your back.
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Except the title of this thread is that the phins can win the division
Do you seriously think that’s going to happen? That’s the forest. The trees don’t matter. The patriots won it last year and they made the best offseason moves so far out of any team.
by OldJetsFanatic on Aug 12, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
We won it in 2008 when no one thought we had a chance
Personally I don’t think the Pats moves were that great.
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There QB (Brady) has to make it past week one. I'm not sure if anyone was watching, but we're "instatuting", a QB removel squad. (Jimmy Wilson) came in & implamented the squads face in the second half!
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 14, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it Duke. Stop trying to use common sense with Jets fans. Oh and rec'd!
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Earl one was bought & payed for (NY)
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Aug 14, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
crimetime
nobody thinks braylon and brad smith are #1s but they were both huge difference makers. brad smith is a great versatile offensive player and that has nothing to do with kick returns. braylon is a hugeee playmaker and always burns the dolphins. now im saying you lost those two and are replacing them with plaxico. you should be helping mark sanchez by expanding his options not minimizing them.
by edgeofgreatness11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
Crimetime is one of those guys that in his own mind has never been wrong.
Good luck with that one.
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they also
lost a few bizarre games: the hurricane against the dolphins where holmes dropped a wide open TD that would have won the game and no one could advance the ball, the bears game, and the Ravens game. those are three toss up games that went against them vs. three that went for them (Cleveland, Denver, and Detroit). seems reasonable to me
by Crimetime Island on Aug 1, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Every team could say that so meh.....if you lost then you lost.
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Miami 7-9 last year
But could just as easily been 10-6 with a couple breaks,, we have improved a lot, offense and defense,, we will win 10 maybe 11 this year, and at least 4, maybe 5 wins in our division,
could have been 12-4 if Henne didn't suck either
he needs to play better this year for us to compete, otherwise we’ll probably be looking up to NY and NE again.
If he plays even average- 75-80% QB rating, split TD’s and INT’s, the rest of our team, especially our top 5 D will propell us to the playoffs.
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defense is bad ass.
but the OL needs major help and marlon moore will beat out hartline.
We will never win this divison so long as Tom Brady is in the league
Unless of course he tears his ACL in week 1
I dont see how the jets think they are better
Edwards is gone …and they are trading Cotchery..who is a very good WR and had good numbers before Holmes and Edwards came…2007 had 82rec for 1130yards….and 2008 had 72rec for 858yards….I dont understand how you can let Edwards,Smith, and Cotchery go….them 3 had a total of 3,119 yards and 12td last year……and they replaced them with a 33 year old jail bird named Burress …………..so get real Jets fans..Miami is improved and ready to whoop some ass this year and win the AFC EAST.
Why do you guys respond to these moronic
Jet fans?? Crimetool is a jackass. He was on here all last season talking sh!t, until we beat them… then POOF gone. I still wonder how that shit-sandwich tasted :)
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That is true. I notice that those like him that will spout off either do not come back or if they
do its all about the excuses. Same old same old.
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by texascowpunk on Aug 1, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
sure. We CAN win the division
I could also be the next american Idol. possible? yes. likely? not really.
I can’t see us beating out both the Pats and jets. I believe our realistic ceiling is a WC birth. all depends on Henne. my confidence in him however, is just about 0(dont think you can blame me). which , as i stated in a different post, probably puts us at about 6-7 wins again.
also, sorry Earl, but I think Sanchez has proved to be the better QB then Henne so far. I agree with the rest of your analysis though. its just without the QB, I can see us struggling offensively again like last year.
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then again
if we started Brandstater( AKA the best athlete of this generation), our troubles would be over.
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by Gatorfan4life on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
if we started Brandstater we could play with no OL and just Brandon Marshall and we’d still win every game by triple digits
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Thats a major insult.....
you think he even needs a receiver? at most Marshall would be a decoy while Brandstater threw a bomb deep and ran to catch it himself.
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he who fears losing, has already lost
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by Gatorfan4life on Aug 1, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
then run it in for the t d ,spike the ball , lineup
snap it to himself , and kick the extra point !!! think how much we’ll save on the cap next year. wo hooooooooo!!!
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by daytonadolfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
only when he feels like it.
most of the time he will single handedly plow through the D-line for a 2 point conversion.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, and Yankees
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by Gatorfan4life on Aug 1, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The Fins CAN win the AFC East if and only if
…or iff for you mathematicians out there…if and only if Henne turns out to be as good as some of us hope he’ll be and much better than most of us think he can be, but in every other way the Fins are as good as the Pats and better than the Jets—I mean, trading Cotchery? He is the only Jets offense player who consistently burns the Fins! He balances with sensibility the bogus bravado of Rexy and the rest of the team. The Jets are becoming victims of their own hubris!
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by lifeimitatesfootball on Aug 1, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
The fins will win the AFC EAST if:::
There is a bomb attack at The JETS-PATRIOT games and all their players are out for the season. It is nice to be optomistic. But even if you smoke crack, you cant tell me that the Phins stand a chance against the patriots!!!
Ahhh the Pre-season
everyone is so hopeful. It’s great. However, despite the strengths we have, we are probably not better than the Jets, and not nearly as good as the Pats.
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