A Reunion in Miami for Kyle Orton? No, not Brandon Marshall.
Drew Rosenhaus sent an email to all 32 NFL teams saying the Bears have authorized Rosenhaus, the agent for Greg Olsen, to seek a trade partner. Olsen is entering the final year of his contract and is not considered a high priority in the offense ran by Mike Martz.
I have no idea what the price would be for Olsen or if the Bears are actively looking to shop him. Rosenhaus did send a second email telling teams to disregard the first, but something had to have happened for the email to be sent in the first place.
Why we should get Olsen: He is a tight end that can stretch the field and has familiarity with Kyle Orton, the QB Miami is trying to acquire. Even though he is in the final year of his contract, he is likely to command less money than Zach Miller, the top free agent TE. Our rivals have some pretty good CBs with Darrelle Revis and Devin McCourty. Reports also indicate the Jets are trying to negotiate a deal for Nnamdi Asomugha, but that is a story for another day. With McCourty and Revis doing a solid job on the outside, it would be wise for Miami to do as much as they can to arm themselves with players capable of beatign a team down the middle. With Davone Bess and Reggie Bush, whose exact role isn't known yet, the Dolphins already have a pair that can be a pain for nickel CBs and safeties. If you throw in Olsen, Miami would have 3 threats in the middle to match one of the NFL's best WRs on the outside. It would be very difficult for defenses to match up against Olsen at TE and Bush at HB.
Olsen has familiarity with Orton from their days in Chicago in 2007 and 2008, though Orton was not the starter in 2007. In their lone season starting together, Olsen had nearly 600 receiving yards and 5 TDs. Orton has shown he does like to look to his TEs often. In 2009 with the Broncos, Orton's favorite target behind Brandon Marshall was his TE, Tony Scheffler. Scheffler and Daniel Graham combined for 59 receptions for over 600 yards. It wasn't until last year, when Scheffler was discared, that Orton didn't over 50 teams during the season. Josh McDaniels, then Broncos coach, does not favor a system with a receiving TE. Orton does appear to appreciate a receiving TE though and Olsen would be a nice compliment.
Why we shouldn't get Olsen: We still have Fasano, an effective player as our starting TE. The addition of Reggie Bush also gives Miami another threat in the middle. Does Miami really need to acquirie a TE that can stretch the field with Bush and Bess already in place as threats in the middle of the field?
Olsen will get a pretty good contract extension and Miami would probably get that done immediately following a trade. His cap number will limit the Dolphins in other areas, particularly on the offensive line or trying to find another RB for the backfield. Beyond the price paid to Olsen, the Bears likely won't let Olsen go for cheap. Miami already surrended a pick for Reggie Bush and will likely do so for Kyle Orton. They're already limited with mid/late round picks for 2012 and they would have limited ammunition to make a deal with Chicago.
*UPDATE* The Carolina Panthers have just acquired Greg Olsen from the Bears. Now this post is useless. Thank you Jerry Richardson for always being one of the most annoying NFL owners.
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the bears look serious about trading olsen they just signed a TE from the steelers
but i think they would ask for a lot like a 2nd or 3rd, i would accept a 4th or a 3rd for 2013
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by southfloridamammalsfan on Jul 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
a 3rd seems like alot for a TE
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Actually
Rosenhaus made it clear that the asking price for Olson would be cheap. I think that this is the move that puts Miami over the “hump” and makes us a serious contender! I have my fingers crossed and would rather see this deal happen than anything else in free agency!
define cheap though
id go as high as a 3rd, ESPECIALLY if we get Orton for nothing after hes released
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Olsen !!!
this would be a great pickup… and much needed. Very true about getting another “threat” in the middle of the field. Even great CB’s are no match for a stud TE from a size standpoint. Olsen is pretty good and would help a lot…. just can’t give up very much for him.
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Love to see VY in Miami
I know Ortin is a safer pic, but if VY catches fire, look out! For one, I’d rather take the player with the bigger up side, and let the safe pic go this time.
I’m afraid we might get to see how really good Thig really was, and this is the one QB we let go that we should have kept. If Buffalo put time into him, which we were not smart enough to do, I think they well may have acquired a franchise guy.
Need another top level WR
Love to see us jump into a quality WR to compliment Marshall.
Have to remember Ortin was quite prolific with Marshall, and that they do have chemistry together, which is something henne never had.
Strange
You could say Henne has more upside than Orton even…
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Don't think so
I expect Ortin to easily beat out henne for the starting spot. The competition will be very good in camp. I have been hearing henne was working hard during the lockout, and there is no down side to having 2 good QB’s these days, with so many are getting hurt. If henne has improved, it will be good to see, however, I remain skeptical. I thought thig did a better job of moving the team preseason 2 year ago, and was surprised when henne got the job.
How long would it take Orton to learn the playbook though? With a condensed off season, how much behind would he be?
Truth is
I don’t know. It seems far easier sitting here thinking he can knock it out than what really is required. I think the play book is quite thick! This is an experienced QB, and so is must be familiar with many of the basic plays, only thing is he has to learn new terminology. Then again, with a new OC, the whole team might just be learning new terminology and schemes right now too, so he would be in the same boat as everyone else on the team.
No
I get the feeling people just want to trade trade trade. If we are talking trading Drafts picks that’s crazy. Building through the draft and supplementing some needs in FA is how you get good teams. If we trade away too many picks we will come short on next years draft objectives which will put us further behind.
If we are talking trading players then fine as long as it’s fair value. We don’t want losing deals like we did with Cam last year.
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Some people may want to trade for everything
I’m not exactly in favor of trading for Olsen, but I wanted to get views on it because a lot of people wanted a TE like Olsen. The asking price for Olsen would be too steep in my opinion and it would really depend on what the salary cap situation would be next year and Olsen’s demands on how much I’d value a trade for him. The only positive I will say about trading for him is that he is still young. I am much more open to trading for youth than aging vets.
I also wouldn’t necessarily say the Cam trade was a losing deal, but that is a complete different debate.
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The only positive I will say about trading for him is that he is still young. I am much more open to trading for youth than aging vets
100% agreed (If the have healthy careers) … Thus, I’m not excited about Bush because he can’t stay healthy.
With our future needs and what we have, I wouldn’t make this move this time if it involves draft picks. I do like him though.
haha yes, that debate could get long and has already been talked about.
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by 54 on Jul 28, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bush
I’m open for the Bush trade as long as the pick is a 5th rounder or later, which I think it is. I do like his abilities more than what we could typically expect from a 5th round pick and I’m hoping him returning to natural grass will do him good.
My main concern about Bush is the fact we still lack a proven runner between the tackles. Depending on Thomas and our other RB, likely Hilliard, it may end up being not being an issue. As of now, I hope Thomas really shows he can do something because Bush can’t be our primary RB.
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He will be fun to watch whens he’s healthy but he’s not a player that wins Superbowls. I don’t think he’s ever play a full a regular season (i could be wrong). That’s my main issue with him. I like the idea Ireland has just not the players he’s chosen. Thomas is suppose to be the bruiser but he may have the fumbles and Bush is the “x factor” back but he gets hurt.
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by 54 on Jul 28, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Bush already has a Super Bowl ring...
And I doubt he’s going to be the primary back. It is really going to be determined by how well Daniel Thomas performs. If he can carry the ball up the middle, we will be fine. If he can’t run up the middle, I think we will be in a lot of trouble if we don’t have someone that can.
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All I’m saying is we can’t depend on this man for points. We have to have other ways that work. Because when we need him most he may be hurt.
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by 54 on Jul 28, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to have Olsen on this team
He is better then any 3rd round pick we would get next year most likely. He is a proven player. Remember him vs the Seahawks in the playoffs, first pass is a bomb to Olsen for a TD! We have the money to sign him long term. Our Offence will be sick. Then if we trade for Orton for a 4th and Merling.
You are thinking the same way on this one as I am Finhead 83.
This should be priority #1 right now. This deal to me is a win/win. Here is what i offer Chi. Give them V. Carey straight up. Throw in a 6th or a 5th if that is what it takes. I would rather a straight up deal for Carey. This takes Carey’s contract off our book in exchange for a deal you offer Olsen. Sign Olsen for 4yrs. 20Mil. O. Danials deal in march was for 4yrs $22mil. This gives us exactly what we need to attack the middle. This should also help the Orton deal and his transition to our team.
I think the world of Carey, but, he is on the downhill slide. IMO. We have 3 guys that would be fighting for his Position in camp. We will need to pick a Guard next and Then get Orton. The Orton deal is growing on me also. Ireland would have my support he pulles a couple more deals like this.
I'm not saying Olsen should be top priority
Nor do I think we should trade Carey for him. I don’t see anyone on our roster than I would immediately be satisfied playing RT.
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Must have misunderstood you. LOL.
Here is the thing with the O-Line. Tony needs to prove that he knows what he is doing. We have 2 player under contract that played Tackle in College. We have one player that is tendered and will be signed that played Tackle in college. Carey has value to a team like Chi. who has a weak o-line. It’s time to get value out of Carey before he has to be cut. Carey is not worth Top 5 RT pay which is what he has made with his contract. I don’t like cutting players for nothing. Trade them and get something in return. An for those people that want trade away picks. If it is a 4th-7th round pick i don’t have a problem with it. 1st-3rd round picks i dont want touched.
Also. The K. Orton trade or pick-up i think would be smart in many ways. I could see a package deal with picks to move up in next years draft. If he works out we keep him. If he is the guy for the future. Package him to trade up and get Luck or whoever we want.
by FinFanFromCA on Jul 28, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A few things on Carey...
We don’t have anyone on the roster that is on par or better than he is at RT. Also, it’s not likely we could get a high pick for him. There are a bunch of quality tackles on the market and Carey is not going to get anything above a 4th or 5th round pick at the absolute best.
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So What you are saying is Carey is not worth a 4th or 5th?
Then why are we paying him so much? We have been developing Murtha. J. Jerry is a natural RT and I believe that is what we drafted him for. Garner can play any position on the line and yes he played Tackle in college. Carey needs to lose weight or he is a liability. His lateral movement or his Kick-Step isn’t there anymore. An if we haven’t developed a replacement for him by now. Then we all should question what kind of O-Line coach Sparano is.
by FinFanFromCA on Jul 28, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Carey is not worth a 4th to other teams
His age is up there and the market has a lot of RTs available. That being said, Murtha, Jerry, and Garner are not immediate upgrades at RT. Are you really excited about having Jerry and Garner playing RG and RT next to each other? I’m not. Carey struggled through injuries the past 2 years, but when he’s healthy, he’s our best option. He lacks lateral movement, which can be attributed to a knee injury he’s played with last year, but lateral movement isn’t as essential in a RT as it is with a LT.
By the way, up until this year, he was paid very reasonably too.
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Value is measured by a Teams need.
The tackle market is not as solid as you assume. Most of the top FA tackles have been signed. Everything I laid out was based upon a trade with the Bears. They have a high need for good O-Linemen. He has more value to a team in need. Hense I considered the trade fair for both sides. I also feel we are in need of a Left Guard which has several solid options available currently. Hense the value of guards on the market is low. If we are dead set on putting Pouncey at center then Incognito should be moved back to RG. That leaves us the 3 options i listed at RT to take Carey’s place. If we cannot find one of those guys to take Carey’s place we have problems. Carey’s knee issues are directly attributed to his weight. IMO. An yes lateral movement is just as important on the ride side as it is on the left. He has had problems with speed rusher for 2 years. I hope your not one of those people that thinks you can shift his slow ass to guard. Another mis-conception about Carey. When Carey signed his contract it was for 6yrs and $42 Million. That is top 10 Tackle money. His cap hit is roughly $4-$5 Million this year. So again he has under performed that contract. Take for example. M. Yanda just signed a 5yr. $32 million dollar deal today. Who is better?
by FinFanFromCA on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Value is measured by many things
Need, contract, age, other available players at that position, etc. But yes, a lot of quality linemen have been signed. There are still quite a few left though as well. As for the money, Carey had salaries under $1 million the past few years and was a value. And no, I don’t think he should move to guard. You can think Murtha, Garner, and Jerry are all better RTs than Carey, but I have never seen any of them play well enough to show that. As for the contract, you also forget that first, the salary cap is reduced and is causing lower contracts, and second, Yanda played RG for the Ravens last year and if they plan to play him at RG (he reportedly favors that over RT), that lowers his contract value. Guards are generally not worth as much as tackles.
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Salary Cap
Carey Signed his contract in Feb of 2009. He got a signing bonus in 2009 of $12 Million plus a $2 million dollar roster Bonus his first year. Last year was an un-capped year. So yes 2011 is lower than 2010. The cap for this year is any where from$120-$126 depending on how you want to use Veteran Exceptions. So it is higher than the previous cap of 2009. The value of Yanda is the fact he can play either position and has played both at a high level. An I pulled his name out because a lot of people on here wanted him. The top FA Tackle on the market right now (IMO) is Gaither who I consider very risky. Due to the fact he has back problems. You write some good comments on here Finhead. So i will just leave it at that. Olsen is gone to the Panthers so we are left with a moot issue to debate. LOL. Here is to hoping we sign some more Quality players to our team.
by FinFanFromCA on Jul 29, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
GREG OLSON TO CAROLINA
DAMMIT!
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