Beware 2: Miami Dolphins Busts Ahead
by Kevin Nogle on Jul 16, 2011 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintYesterday, we took a look at the possible breakout seasons ahead for the Dolphins. But, there's another side to that discussion. Of course, I mean the "busts." Not the draft busts, but the players who won't live up to expectations.
So, we aren't talking about Pat White here, but more like Joe Berger. Berger beat out Jake Grove (another bust) for the starting center job, but then the Dolphins discovered he had an inability to run block. Then Berger had a knee injury and "personal issues" that led to missed playing time. And, finally, the Dolphins spent their first round pick this offseason on Mike Pouncey, who is expected to be the Dolphins new center.
So, who could be the Dolphins' Berger for this year?
Mike Pouncey. After saying that this wasn't a look at draft busts, here's Miami's first round pick heading the list. It's not so much that Pouncey can't play. It's more that his brother, Maurkice, has dominated in Pittsburgh. I expect Mike to be a solid offensive lineman for the Dolphins. I just don't think he will live up to his brother's level, which to many fans could be seen as a bust.
Miami's Running Back. This is a power football team, even if we are hearing that new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll is going to open up the offense. As a power football team, the running back is a key piece of that offense. Yet, Miami is now looking at a running back stable consisting of guys totaling 4 carries between them last year (assuming neither Ricky Williams or Ronnie Brown are resigned). Not exactly screaming power. The Dolphins did draft Daniel Thomas from Kansas State in the second round this offseason, and the team, and the fans, seem to like Lex Hilliard's potential, but without a major addition in the offseason, the running back position could be a major hole for the Dolphins.
Dan Carpenter. DC$, as we all here at the Phinsider know Carpenter, led the league in field goal attempts last year. With a stagnant offense, his leg was needed. But, if he goes cold at all this year - especially with the number of times he has to go out and kick - and the offense again stumbles, DC$ could prove to be a liability.
Channing Crowder. For a guy the team seems to need on the field, Crowder is not a beloved member of this team from a fan stand point. It's hard to see what the issue with Crowder is, as the defense is better with him in. But, he's not flashy, even if his mouth is - the stats don't support what make him valuable to the team. This is a make or break year for Channing, as there are up and coming players behind him on the depth chart, and a normal, mediocre stat year for Crowder could spell doom for him personally.
Chad Henne. Henne makes both lists. Henne needs a breakout year to solidify his position with the team. But, he could just as easily miss everything and become the bust half of the fans seem to already think he is. It's all up to Henne now, and we just have to wait to see what happens.
So, again, what did I miss? Who out there do you think could just blow up in the franchise's face?
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Mightn't Soliai be considered for this list, too.
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
and wake if he doesnt have at least 12 sacks
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by phatfinfan on Jul 16, 2011 6:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
11 sacks would be a bust?
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions
for wake, perhaps. i'm expecting him to challenge JT's numbers
He has to become a consitent, elite pass rusher or he is a one year wonder only. Is that numher 12? Idk…maybe 11 is the magic number, but ue has to do it more than once.
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by phatfinfan on Jul 16, 2011 7:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even 10 is good in the NFL.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
But in our scheme, where we don't have enough trust in the DBs to cover a WR on an island,
we need one great pass rusher. Otherwise we will either get burnt by WRs breaking free of their man in a cover 0 or the QB will have all day to throw the ball.
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10 is Great
If others have more than 1 other player has 7+. We just need the overall line to produce sacks. Obviously. Starks needs 6+. Soliai needs 3+ Odrick 5+ Misi 5+ and so on…
by Phins4life2334 on Jul 18, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget hurries
It’s not always the sack that is effective. Stats don’t tell the whole story. Wake will get a lot of attention this year. We better have someone bringing the pain from the other side too.
10 would be great
but obviously there are alot of factors that go into judging the effictiveness of a rush linebacker. Cam Wake wouldnt be anythin like the player he is now if he could only devolop sack numbers.
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Remember fellas, this is a post about busts.
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by uncle finster on Jul 19, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
True Cam Wake doesnt fit that catagory haha
and I dont think Pouncey will either.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
hi finster
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by dolfinfan34 on Jul 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He wasn't talking to you....
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
buenos dias triente quatro
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
gringo at its best...i like it
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 16, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
haha who knew this site was so white.
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by dolfinfan34 on Jul 17, 2011 12:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
I would agree
If our defensive line takes any kind of step back I think he’ll get blamed for “busting” it because he’s getting paid all of that money. However, I do think the franchise tag was a good idea; give him a taste of cash for one year and see if he keeps the effort up to earn cash for the long haul.
Well, we did a good job fixing the defense in the last off-season and a decent job fixing the special teams during the season. Now let's find an offense!
He meaning Soliai
Well, we did a good job fixing the defense in the last off-season and a decent job fixing the special teams during the season. Now let's find an offense!
what about Marshall?
He didnt live up to the hype last year. I guess he and Henne are a 1 and 1a bet.
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by phatfinfan on Jul 16, 2011 5:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Compared to what?
He was our leading WR and had 1000 yds receiving. I think Marshall did pretty well with what he had to work with Henne and Henning and no run game.
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 16, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hype. he didn't live up to expectations.
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Marshal definitely deserves to be on the top of the list
not particularly for his play – but if he gets suspended he’s an instant Free Agent bust.
by scrappy the wildcat on Jul 16, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
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Sorry,
but I don’t like your list Mosul
Pouncey; He doesn’t have to be the best C in the league to not be a bust, top ten and he’s safe imo.
Miami’s running back?; His name is Daniel Thomas, ;^J
DC$; Why is he on this list? did you pull his name from a hat, lol, he can’t be a bust he is already a success.
Crowder?; To many here he is already a bust.
Henne; He is already a bust if he doesn’t improve.
Their are many better candidates imo, Thomas I agree with though.
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You make the same points I did on a lot of these...
I looked at all of these as busts for this year. Even if you are an all pro player, if you suddenly have a bad year, I would call that a bust year. Some might be able to recover and be given the benefit of the doubt (DC$), but some won’t (Henne).
Pouncey – For the fans, a lot of us will expect his brother’s domination. If it doesn’t happen, he will be a bust in their eyes.
Thomas, or Ricky, or Lex – Who knows. Lots of uncertainty = could be a bust.
DC$ – You use up all of your kicker’s leg, every time you have the ball because you can’t find the endzone with a map and a tour guide, your kicker could be a bust.
Crowder – Could be, but the defense seems to be a lot better when he is on the field.
Henne – He could bust,. He could breakout. We’ll have to see.
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There is a difference between having a bad year and being a bust,
thats all I’m trying to say, Ricky can’t be a bust, he’s just getting old, Lex can’t be a bust because he is a late round pick who has done nothing.
You can’t overuse a kicker, it’s not physically taxing.
J Jerry
P Soliai
S Smith
C Clemons
K Misi
These guys seem to still fit that bust category, guys who have shown signs but just haven’t quite arrived.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
What exzackly happen to r #2 pick last year?
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are going to put Sean Smith, you really do have to put
on Vontae Davis. The only year he started full time, he got 1 INT.
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True, but he hasn't lost his starting spot since he gained it.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He also wasn't in position to get near as many INTs.
Davis got burnt more than Smith and didn’t make more plays. Also, when Davis got beat, it was usually for more yards.
If either one could be seen as a bust, the other one sure can be as well.
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Smith was burnt more than Davis.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not according to stats.
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Who is stats?
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lol you know what I mean.
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Not PFF again,
they have their own stats that don’t necessarily match NFL stats, and ranking systems based on their own opinions, which is fine but proves nothing.
Also, getting burnt when the WR doesn’t catch the ball is still getting burnt, and he was matched so he didn’t have to play against speed WRs or else those #s would be different, just sayin.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
All CBs have dropped passes. That is a moot point.
PFF are professionals and look at the each play individually.
In fact they pointed out a Raiders CB was not responsible for 2 deep TDs because he was in a cover 2 and was not responsible for the deep pattern.
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what about coaches? If sparano does bad he's a gonner
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I slightly disagree with you about Pouncey...
An interior lineman drafted that high needs to be elite and stay elite for his career or else we overspent. Nick Mangold is considered the best center in the NFL right and he was drafted late in the 1st round. Pouncey needs to approach that level of dominance or surpass it in order to be worth the pick he was drafted. Otherwise we could have gotten a player at a position of higher value such as RB, OLB, RT, etc.
So I’m not saying he’ll be a bust per se, but it he doesn’t become an elite, dominant center (top 3 or better), then we didn’t get the best value with that pick.
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by The Earl on Jul 16, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well Said! I agree, Pouncey has to be elite or it is a wasted pick.
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Yall are rediculous,top 3 center in rookie year?
Pshh,your expectations on some guys are way outta the realm of reality. im glad none of yall are my dad or youd consider me a failure if I wasnt doing taxes,and curing cancer by the time I was five.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow... Overreact much?
No one is saying that he should be a top 3 center his rookie year. I said:
but it he doesn’t become an elite, dominant center (top 3 or better), then we didn’t get the best value with that pick.
Mangold wasn’t the best center in the league his rookie year and probably wasn’t top 5 either. But he was dominant and eventually became the best center. That’s exactly what I expect for Pouncey. In order for him to be worth a top 15 draft pick, then he MUST become an elite center, key word there is BECOME! If he’s just another guy out there on the line, then we overpaid for him.
What really amazes me is that it seems few people on this site truly understand positional value, especially when it comes to the draft. Interior O-linemen are very “important” to the offense, but aren’t very “valuable” in terms of money and impact.
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Realize that
“getting the best value” and “bust” aren’t the same too.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I never actually said he'd be a bust...
I just said that if he doesn’t become elite, then we overpaid. I think we could have gotten better value at 15. My personal favorite would have been Gabe Camini. He would have given us a stud RT, a guy who could fill in at LT if Long ever went down, and worst case scenario, a nasty RG. However, I do think Pouncey will be a great player.
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I understand your point and agree,
but this is a bust post, I was commenting on the bust aspect, that was all.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
See my fanpost.
If we got that guy as RT, passing on Carimi makes much more sense. Especialy considering there are no great Cs out there.
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Shoulda took Amukamara imo
Carimi looks to be a RT only but he still would have been better pick than Pouncey
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 16, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was contemplated, but
with both our corners potentially taking that next step and Carrol looking promising; I think we did the right thing in not picking up Amukamara.
Also, in case you haven’t heard, we have this awesome LT by the name of Jake Long. We will be golden at the LT spot for the next 10-13 years.
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Thanks for the snark but I’ll let Earl sort you out
He would have given us a stud RT, a guy who could fill in at LT if Long ever went down
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 16, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You said an RT only as if it was a bad thing.
We don’t need a LT. Also, any RT can play LT in a pinch. (like Long going down)
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We got him because the giants were looking to nab him with their first round pick if we didnt
After him,the center position drops considerably.
The Guard position wasnt exactly a trip down awesome lane either.
All of the top prospects at QB were taken,except Mallet who was taken in the third round,hate who he went to,but gotta love the value.
The ONLY other person I could have seen us taking at our spot was Carimi,and he doesnt do a thing for our interior line. We would have still needed to find a replacement for Berger,and I still see Pouncey as the right choice,simply because not only is he an upgrade,but he is the best choice at his position in an area of need.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 16, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You should never go need in the 1st round
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 16, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
If you can turn a weakpoint in your team into a strength, that is much more valueable than turning a solid point in you team into a strength.
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So a solid NFL center for 15 years would be a wasted pick?
C’mon.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He has to in the talk for best center in the league for his career
He can’t be just a “guy” or a “solid” NFL center. If he is either of those, then his draft position isn’t justified.
The new CBA is going to work in Pouncey’s favor though. He isn’t going to be making anywhere near the money that the 15th pick last year is making, so from a cost standpoint, if he is just a “guy”, the Phins won’t be overpaying him.
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I feel like I am taking crazy pills
Has anyone actually seen the tape on this guy as a center from Florida last year? The guy looked lost and I’m not just talking about the numerous botched snaps
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 16, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He beat the #3 overall NT when playing against Bama.
Also, his snapping problems started to go away by the end of the year.
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You mean the game when Dareus was injured? Nice example
Why don’t you go watch the game where a healthy Drake Nevis (LSU) owned him
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by Souwantmyname on Jul 16, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If Pouncey plays in 6 probowls in 11 seasons but is never considered the best,
that will not be a bust, a bust is someone who didn’t cut it, overdrafted does not = bust, he doesn’t have to be as good as Mangold or his brother, all he has to be is good, he doesn’t have to be great.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
At 15th overall, I expect more from a center than to be just "good"
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Still,
that doesn’t make him a bust, as I said, 11 years and 6 probowls doesn’t spell elite, but I’d take that.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't care if Pouncey isn't considered the best center in the league
As long as he keeps opposing DTs from consistently dry-humping our QB, I’ll be completely happy.
And I don’t see Nick Mangold relinquishing the title of “Best center in the NFL” soon, so expecting Pouncey to vault right into that spot is a bit, well, ridiculous.
Actually Markice Pouncey is already challenging Mangold for that position.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He needs more than one season to do that.
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Normally that would be true but he is different,
he may very well have been the best C last season, he was dominant, as it is he was voted to the AP all-pro 2nd team, which is calling him the 2nd best C in the league in his rookie year.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But agreed.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely Thomas
And maybe Odrick, if he doesn’t live up to first round expectancy? He’s still a big ‘?’ anyhow. Henne’s stock can only go up, otherwise he’s history along with TS.
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Disagree
Thomas was not drafted to be a feature back so it would be a lot tougher to consider him a bust. It was clear from his selection that he would share the load with some other running back. His job is simply to be a bruising between the tackles runner which I think he can do pretty well. The real success of our running backs is going to have to be measured as how they perform as a unit, so the complimentary back selection is of the utmost importance.
For the love of God, play Pouncey at Guard!
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I don't know...
I have read that we won’t be using a timeshare in the backfield like we have been using, especially if we go after a back like Bush or Sproles. Of course, that’s not to say we won’t use a timeshare with a guy like Hilliard as well.
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Even if we do go after a scat back, that scat back will get about 10-12 carries a game.
Add in Thomas’s 15 carries, that is 25-27 running plays. At 4.2 YPC (a good, but not great number), we would average 105-113 yards per game. If we can get that, we should be good.
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I hope we DON'T have any bust this year
but if I’m looking anywhere, I’m looking at the safety positions.
Bell is getting older and is somewhat a liability in pass coverage. Clemons played alright last year…but can he make the next big step?
This is why I want the Phins to pursue Eric Weddle, when the lockout ends.
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We have a lot of bigger issues right now than S.
Bell was a STer for half his career, so he has more juice than most. Also, I think SS is a position where you can play at a high level into your mid 30s, he’s 32.
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You could probably put Garner and Jerry on that list also.
I don't want Sparano and Ireland to die..........I just don't want them to be alive, anymore.
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I wouldn't include Garner on this list
He was a 7th round pick that we swiped off the Jets PS. We may have high hopes for him, but if he only becomes a career backup, he still wouldn’t be a bust.
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Well, I expect improvement from both.
Generally speaking it doesn’t really matter where linemen are drafted. Both Garner and Jerry should be challenging for a starting spot. We can cut both guys without much regret but they both have potential to be starters and if they don’t step up I personally would be disappointed with them (I know my approval means everything to them).
I would call them busts mainly because of our need at OL. If they don’t step up and stay healthy, we could be in for another couple of games that look like the Bears game.
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by I'm_an_F18_bro on Jul 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta give Jerry some credit here
He was sick most of last year so that really slowed him down, and despite that he made the all rookie team at guard.
Give the guy a chance before labeling him a bust.
For the love of God, play Pouncey at Guard!
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Just potential busts. I like them both. I don't expect much from rookies, but it's year 2 for Jerry so off go the kid gloves.
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by I'm_an_F18_bro on Jul 16, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Allen
We’re counting on a 32-year-old with two consecutive season-ending injuries to be our nickel corner. If he makes it a third consecutive season, or is just a shell of his post-injury self, bustville.
I really considered putting Allen on the list.
In the end, I just didn’t.
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by Kevin Nogle on Jul 16, 2011 4:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Top 3 Picks of the 2010 Draft: Odrick, Misi, Jerry
Odrick is a 1st round pick that might not be in the top 3 of his position on the team. He definately isn’t better than Langford or Starks and I get the feeling Merling is going to step up his play this year. The other thing that concerns me about Odrick is his health. If Odrick doesn’t make a significant contribution this year, he is a bust.
The player playing the OLB position opposite Wake should be a monster sack guy. Wake gets all the attention, so Misi should only have to beat a single blocker. Misi hasn’t shown that ability to consistently get to the QB. He didn’t in college either. There is a reason that the Phins didn’t play him in pass rushing downs at the end of last year. There is a reason that the Phins made a waiver claim for Shawn Merriman last year. Almost half of Misi’s sacks came against Buffalo last year, two of the worst starting OT’s in the league. Most other games he was non-existent. For the Phins defense to take the next step, someone needs to be able to rush the passer opposite Wake. Misi was drafted to be that guy. If he doesn’t get to 9-10 sacks this year, or is benched again in pass rushing situations, Misi is a bust.
Jerry was drafted to help with the interior OL. He played soft last year and needed to get stronger. If he isn’t starting this year, he is a bust.
I get the feeling that in a couple of years we are going to look back at the 2010 draft and say it was a wasted opportunity because none of the top 3 picks panned out and were busts.
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And are even ready to crown this a wasted year as well. This is really beginning to irk me. As a fan sure,i want everyone on the team to be a probowler,as a realist,thats seriously probably never going to happen.
You want to know who the worst player in sports is? Its the fans. we refuse to accept its going to take some time for guys like Henne,odrick,misi,smith to run outta the gate firing on all cylanders. They need an adjustment period.
On the flip side,Marshall can do no wrong because hes “proven” hes not gettin yards and its all hennes fault yadda yadda. Fyi,its Marshalls fault. He makes 9 mil a year,because hes proven he can be successful. He hasnt here. We pay him to be the top dog. While there are some plays he wowwed,there are others where he seemed to completely give up and blame it on other factors. Henne,being triple teamed in coverage etc
Point is,HE GETS PAID TO MAKE PLAYS. but instead we make excuses for why he hasnt yet.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 16, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Completely with you 4lyfe
Some folks think being over the top cynical means you’re “being real”. I for one am completely over B. Marshall. He did give up many times, and no one sees his outbursts and penalties the way I do….COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE! He’s a huge disappointment and liability (even in the offseason, off in Boston, not working with his team). Yet it’s all on Henne.
This notion 2010 will be a bust when there are articles highlighting Misi’s play and he’s constantly featured as a “breakout player” is ridiculous.
Odrick will surprise the hatters. Love Langford, but he isn’t the athlete Odrick is, and Starks is an established vet, unfair to compare a rookie to that.
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Here's my counterargument to Marshall...
He had no trouble producing great stats with Cutler and Orton throwing him the ball. He still caught 86 passes for over 1000 yards. The issue is the TDs. Yeah, he had 13 drops (unacceptable), but that was roughly his average per season over the last 3 seasons, which didn’t affect his Pro Bowl status. While in Denver, he was a locker room problem, yet still produced. Marshall, by all accounts, has been a good teammate while in Miami We didn’t see the “contract” issue with Marshall. Instead of getting lazy and not working hard after he go paid, he still went out there and worked very hard to be a good WR. He had some issues last year on the field that stemmed from frustration either with Henne, play-calling or both. But he wasn’t the only one. I saw Fasano, Hartline, and even Bess get visibly frustrated with Henne, to the point i saw Fasano yelling at Henne as they were walking off the field. So while Marshall shouldn’t receive a free pass, his history would indicate that there were other factors in his lack of production more than just him being a bust.
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Good points Earl
The frustration was among all the WRs, I forgot about Fasano yelling at Henne too. Hopefully they all get on the same page with whoever’s the QB this year….
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While there are or were other factors,
Its still arguable that he performed under his pay grade. Sure Henne had some issues getting the ball to some people,but I think people expect way too much from him all things considering.
Henne was not brought in to assist Marshall to elevate his game,it was vice versa,and while he sucked in the red zone,so did our entire offense.
The point I am trying to make is that while Henne needs to get better in alot of areas,so did the entire offense,and none of them should get a pass,except Long and Hartline,who were both putting up good numbers at their position,and Long still did though he was playing with a bad knee and a hurt arm.
If we are going to sit here and make excuses for Marshall,then the same needs to be true for Henne,and the rest of this arguement,but truth is,Idc if he had other issues,the 8 mil a year we give him for
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 16, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Being a playmaker says he needs to be the best on our team on that side of the ball.
Ive even heard arguements that saud we overpaid for Dansby. All things considering,he joined the team and an instant impact was felt. He may not have been getting a bunch of sacks and interceptions,but he helped anchor a defense that jumped over 20 spots in the rankings. That is getting value for what you paid for.
The addition of Marshall should have had the same effect,simply because thats why we signed him,it was his job to be the leader of this team,not to have excuses made for him
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 16, 2011 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Marshall did pay below what his pay grade indicates...
But was the problem because he couldn’t run proper routes? Did his skill as a WR regress? Did he become a worse player?
Marshall isn’t having excuses made for him. He did everything you ask of a #1 WR except score a bunch of TDs. The difference is he isn’t fully responsible for that. He needs someone to throw him the ball. He needs plays called for him where he can get the ball. Is it Marshall’s fault that the OC called plays for Hartline in the red zone? Is it Marshall’s fault that Henne is an inaccurate QB and struggled in the red zone? Karlos Dansby did everything we ask of him, but he is less dependent on others around him to make plays. Marshall is more dependent simply due to his position. Would Marshall have underachieved on a team like the Packers, Colts, Pats, or Saints?
So I’m not saying Marshall gets a free pass. But there needs to be a level of understanding that while he could have improved his play, we cannot fully place blame on his play since it’s dependent on the play of others. If Henne was a top QB or we had a better OC and Marshall had that type of season, then we could.
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While Henne and Henning failed him at times.
There were times when Marshall failed them, as well. It wasn’t a one way street.
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That's true...
But everyone wants to use the drops as an excuse. Yes, Marshall had 13 drops last year, which is bad. However, Marshall averaged 12.5 drops per season over the last three season. In 2008, Jay Cutler had 4526 yards with 26 TDs throwing to Marshall. In 2009, Orton had 3802 yards and 21 TDs throwing to Marshall. So while Marshall’s drops aren’t good, they didn’t effect the other QBs throwing him the ball. So if Marshall let them down, it had to be something else, though I don’t know what. I remember two penalties that cost us yardage, but that’s about it.
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His innability to assume the leadership role on this offense
That was the major kicker for me. You say its the QBs job,not when the reciever makes almost 4 times the amount you do,in which case He did.
Again this is sounding like im making excuses for Henne,but I am not. I am simply not making excuses for anyone else either.
The drops with Marshall are to be expected? Then so should the mistakes made by a young QB in only his first full year as a starter. The year before he only played in 13 games due to the injury to Pennington,and if you ask me,Henning did very little to boost his ability to be successful and take over the leadership of this offense.
You can call it whatever the heck you want,but if im Marshall,and im getting the contract I have been clamorring for since my second year in the league,i am pulling a Pennington and calling team meetings with the recievers,and working WITH my QB whom I know is young,and in need of a repoire built with him. Not sitting there talking about how bad the kid is to the media.
Truth is,the difference between him here and in Denver is one thing alone,and thats his innability to defend his QB in press,and in the field.
But I digress,we expected Henne to assume control of an offense he was not allowed to control,even during playcalling. The fact remains,Henning set him up for failure with his telling Henne not to make mistakes,and to not take the sacks by going into max protect in effort to keep HIS control on the teams offensive drives. That is unnaceptable,and why he is no longer the OC of this team.
Meanwhile,for 8 mil a year,Marshall should have assumed more leadership as well,but what am I thinking. He cant even be the leader in his own household,yeah I said it.
Either way,people take into account the ints,sacks and the max protects,yet underemphasize the fact that Marshall was brought in to make plays and make the offense better. A feat he only managed to do half assed,and for 8 mil,should have shown a better example to his teamates and fans about what it is to be a leader on his team
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 17, 2011 12:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I see your point about the leadership part...
but that doesn’t make him a bust candidate. And by all accounts he has been a good teammate here in Miami. Yes, he got pissed at Henne, but so did all the other receivers. I haven’t read any reports where he said or did anything that made caused problems in the locker room. Maybe he should have been a better leader, but he still produced at a decent level even with the other issues with the offense.
I’m not making excuses for the drops either. For what he’s making, he needs to improve in that category. But him having 13 drops is NOT an excuse for Henne’s play.
I personally think that Daboll’s offense will be much better for Henne and Marshall both. I expect Marshall to have a better year in 2011, at least in terms of TDs, and I hope that Henne turns it around as well.
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$ doesn't = leadership
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by uncle finster on Jul 17, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
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Money doesnt,but success does
He is our most successful player on offense not named Jake Long. Again,i more than expect him to assume a leadership role,not only because hes making so much money,but because he knows what it takes to win,and he knows what its like in the spotlight.
Again,Henne could have played better,BUT he is also wet behind the ears,and again,was only in his first full year as a starter.
Maybe were expecting too much from a guy like Marshall,when it comes to drops,and assuming a leadership role. But to expect so much from a guy who has barely gotten his feet wet in the NFL is perposterous.
It doesnt make sense that we expect so much from a second rounder on his first go round. We want him to jump right in and assume control,make less mistakes,and simply be the man on day one.
Thats not going to happen,and we are already calling him a bust simply because he made some rookie mistakes. With all that went on,im suprised he didnt make more.
Im sorry,I just cant stand that Henne is getting so much flak when he is newwer to the game than Marshall,yet because Marshall has proven himself in denver he can do no wrong,and nothing is his fault
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 17, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Leaders aren't made like that,
you can’t just “say” this one should be a leader, either your a leader or your not, Marshall WAS NOT brought here to be a leader, just because he’s good doesn’t mean he’s supposed to be a leader.
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by uncle finster on Jul 18, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
When you have the other teammates at your position looking up to you
And watching your every move to better themselves,you are a leader. I remember several reports where Roberto Wallace,Marlon Moore,even Brian Hartline all said they looked up to him,and were asking him questions and how to run certain routes etc.
That my friend thrust him into a leadership role. One he did not fully live up to.
As for the success with other QBs,notice,they had one thing he didnt have,a successful knock it off the top speed reciever playing opposite him.
Ill say it again,for all its worth,we got rid of Ginn a year too early. If he did ANYTHING else,it was bring the speed I feel both our offense,and special teams lacked last season. We saw a glimmer of possibilities on that play to Marlon Moore over the top that resulted in a touchdown.
Saw it again with Hartline,when hed get behind slower safeties.
I agree,we needed to get rid of Ginn,but not until we got his replacement,in which I hope we did with Gates.
Overall Henne didnt really do so bad if you look at ALL the stats,and not just the TD/INTs. He still threw for 3300 yards and would have had more if Hartline didnt go down. You have to remember,there were a couple games he didnt even have Marshall to throw to.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 18, 2011 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is more to being a leader than just being a great player
TO, Marvin Harrison, and Randy Moss were never good leaders. Barry Sanders was never really considered a leader. Alex Rodriguez and LeBron James are not considered leaders.
Leadership is more of a trait you have, nothing that comes to you because you have skill.
Players with great skill doesn’t necessarily have to be leaders. There is nothing wrong with not being a leader. In fact, I’d prefer a WR to never be the leader of our team. When was the last time you saw a team with a WR as the voice of the offense win a SB? The last time I saw a WR try and be the voice of a team, Owens dragged the Eagles and Cowboys through the mud.
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i dont entierely agree with that.
We are lucky to have Brandon Marshall because he is a great football player and an incredible talent, but i dont think he gave us everything we paid for. For example think about Brandon Marshall after the catch last season. In our offense last season he simply didnt garner anything like what many hoped for after the catch. Obviously some of that has to do with the offense and what his role was on the team but not all of it. Think about for a second what Marshall would do after the catch. Essentially on a slant, square in or underneath pattern (which encompassed a large proportion of his routes last year) he would catch the ball and either stop and try to go backwards (literally) stutter and stiff-arm or keep moving forward. When you only have a few different tools in your toolbox you become a lot easier to defend and that is I think what happened and his statistics how corners were able to deal with him. Marshall finished 114th in the league last year with 185 yards after catch total. 114th. Is that what we paid for?
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And we are lucky to have him.
he hard to cover and made alot of plays. Caught a lot of balls and made alot of yards but one of the big reasons we brought Marshall here is because of his incredible abilities after catch and his abilities last season after catch werent incredible. The blame doesnt solely lie on his shoulders, because how he was being used in the offense was going to make yac harder to accumulate, but some of that blame does belong to him.
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Also, at times he was a distraction to his team.
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Just overall didn't help with the
whatever energy we had and sometimes disrupted our momentum on drives.
I was never really big on acquiring a #1 WR before we got Marshall because of the complications it brings. Also, sometimes it is just not worth it to have a #1 WR (see Patriots 2010).
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i semi-agree
however we are a better team with Marshall than without. I think noone would deny that.
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Even that is arguable, depending on how we would have used the two 2nd round draft picks
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by uncle finster on Jul 19, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
LOLing, about realism on the Phinsider. Oh, corny joke.
“To the optimist, the glass is half-full.
To the pessimist, the glass is half-empty.
To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be."
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by PotM on Jul 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well Said! When I was studying engineering my freshman year, I had a prof in college use that exact phrase and I have never forgot it. Rec'd!
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Here's the deal with Misi...
He only rushed the passer about half as many times as Wake did, so that limited his sack opportunities. Secondly, Wake moves to the LE position in our nickel package, leaving Misi to rush from the RE position. So Misi was going up against LTs and just wasn’t good enough to handle that yet.
But most importantly, the guy opposite a dominant pass rusher rarely gets as many sacks. It does happen on some teams, but not overall. Look at last season as an example. DeMarcus Ware led the league in sacks, yet Dallas’ other OLB only got 5 sacks. After Clay Matthews, the next highest sack totals for GB came from a 3-4 DE and a NT. Same thing for Baltimore. The Jets OLBs totaled less sacks combined than Wake. Only Pittsburgh had 2 OLBs with a sack total higher than 10 each. Of all teams, only the Giants, Steelers, and Colts had two pass rushers that achieved 10+ sacks.
So to think that Misi SHOULD be a guy who gets a ton of sacks opposite Wake is hopeful at best. If Wake continues his dominance and Misi gets around 8 sacks, that would be a very productive year. Plus you also have to remember that Misi was a rookie and still needs to work on his pass rushing technique. He should improve in 2011 and get more opportunities for sacks this year.
However, our best bet would be to get a proven pass rusher who can come in with the nickel package and rush the passer from a 3 point stance. We should go after JT or Kiwi and get a guy who is comfortable in the RE position. That way our nickel package would have two excellent pass rushers from the end positions. Antawn Barnes would be a good option too as a guy who can spell Wake. In fact, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to get JT AND Barnes and have a great OLB/pass rushing core.
Given how this off-season is turning out, I’d spend the Dolphins money getting making our defense dominant and making our O-line much better. There are no good QBs out there that are worth it, improve everything else, and then go all in for a QB in the 2012 draft.
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Great points
Also folks need to remember every 3-4 is played differently…
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Nolan's scheme is designed for the OLB's to get to the QB
In nickel situations, Nolan switches to a 4-3 look. The NT comes out for the NB. The DE’s move inside to DT’s (Langford and Starks) and the OLB’s (Wake and Misi) rush from DE’s spots. Nolan still zone blitzes out of this alignment, but rarely brings more than 4. It is therefore up to the OLB’s to generate pass rush.
The other reason that Nolan doesn’t like to bring more than 4 is because he doesn’t trust his DB’s in man coverage, with good reason. Davis, Bell, and Clemons are poor man coverage players but excel in zone. So he is forced to rush 4 and play zone behind. Those 4 then have to pressure the QB. I just don’t see Misi as being capable of being one of those 4.
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Our scheme is to create confusion...
Nolan blitzes more than our previous DC and uses pressure from various areas. Nolan blitzes the ILBs more than we are used to seeing and uses more CB and S blitzes as well. Outside pressure is important, but we create pressure with more than just our OLBs. Our nickel package utilizes a 4 man line because we only have 2 LBs on the field. Our 4 man front SHOULD look like this in 2011: Wake at LE, Starks and Odrick at DT and FA pass rusher at RE. Since we don’t know what we have with Edds yet, then Misi and Dansby will be our 2 LBs on the field for their coverage abilities (our best 2 cover LBs) and then we’ll have 5 DBs.
Ideally, it would be great to add a DB like Asomugha as well as a couple of OLBs. In a dream scenario, we would have Wake, Starks, Odrick, JT as our front 4; Dansby and Misi/Edds as our LBs; then have Asomugha, Davis, and Allen as our CBs, use Smith as a CB/S hybrid, and have Jones/Amaya/Bell as our true S. That would be a VERY tough nickel package because we have 4 CBs on the field with Smith. Smith would give us a versatile player since he can play man and cover a 4th WR or TE if needs be, plus play centerfield as he’s our best ball hawk so far (he can’t catch them, but the kid ALWAYS makes plays on the ball). Our 4 man front would generate tons of pressure, plus since our secondary would be covered, we can use our LBs on blitzes.
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Vontae Davis is poor in man coverage?
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Then again, you are the preeminent Vontae Davis hater around here, so I am disappointed in myself for even feigning shock at your comments regarding him.
Davis got burnt multiple times last season when we left him manned up.
BAL: We put Smith on Boldin (#1 WR) and Davis on Mason (# 2). Mason beat Davis for at least two TDs and multiple other big plays. Smith had Boldin on lockdown for most of the game.
BUF: An UDFA tore up Davis for one score and about three other 30-40 yard plays. Smith seemed to let up one TD, but that was in a cover 2 and Dansby should have knocked the ball away when the WR broke inside.
Those are just off the top of my head.
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I think you meant to comment to ct1361...
I never said anything about Davis.
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Most corners not named "Revis" or "Asomugha" are going to get burnt at times in man coverage
And are you referring to Stevie Johnson? I am pretty sure he had his way with several of the CBs he saw last season.
Miles Davis absolutely destroyed Nnamdi Asomugha on Thanksgiving two years ago—are you going to cite that as a reason why Asomugha is bad in man coverage? Probably not. And I can count on one hand how many “shutdown” guys I’ve seen who would have my total undying faith playing in man coverage, so just because Davis gave up scores to Derrick Mason and Stevie Johnson isn’t going to change things. Davis pretty much owned Randy Moss during their match-ups, so does that count for anything?
Now, here’s my problem with your post: you’re comparing Smith and Davis as if I said something about Sean Smith, which I definitely did not. I f’n love Sean Smith, and I think he’s going to be a stud corner for us. Davis and Smith bring different strengths to the table, but Davis is not POOR in man coverage. There have been times where Davis has been borderline brilliant playing in man, and other times where he’s struggled a bit. But “poor” is way off, in this instance.
If anything, Davis' biggest problem in man coverage is also one of his greatest strengths: he's a gambler
Sometimes, he’s getting a pick because he’s willing to roll the dice, but there are times where he’ll cheat in and try to grab a pick, and ends up yielding a big gain as a result. That can’t happen, but it’s not because he’s just running around with his back to the ball all day.
LOL... I didn't say anything about Smith or Davis, ct1361 did.
I think Smith and Davis are both good young CBs.
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He needs to kknow when to gamble apparently.
He only had 1 INT. Not really what I would consider a playmaker.
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I wasn't talking to you, Earl. There are other people commenting in this post, you know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0_h5pbrza0
Hmmm. Pretty sure Vontae makes plenty of stellar plays on this reel. And his ability to come up and stick receivers isn’t something you see out of the majority of corners in the NFL.
And I love the stat pushing, PotM. Nnamdi Asomugha had one pick in 2009 (and has just 11 in his career), but who’s going to come out and say those totals are indicative of him not being a playmaker? Hopefully no one.
After all, good corners aren't typically thrown at often
And I’d like to think Vontae is making strides towards becoming a stud corner.
Nice vid BTW
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Asomugha has one of the lowest completion
percentages in the NFL and has for a while. That doesn’t seem like a gambler. A guy by definition gives up a lot of completions, but redeems himself by causing a bunch of TOs. That isn’t Asomugha, but Davis. Davis just isn’t that great at it (see INT in 10). Asomugha is a shutdown corner, not a gambler.
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Champ Bailey is a gambler. Do you have a problem with his career output?
Starting to think you place the entire sum of a cornerback’s value on interceptions and that’s it. If that’s the case, you’re way off. Vontae’s strong suit from the outset has been his athleticism and aggressive tackling (for a corner). He reminds me a lot of Antoine Winfield, and he’s, thus far, displayed an unbelievable ability to shed initial blocks on his way to the ballcarrier.
The way I am reading it, you think Vontae is damaged goods because he gave up some big plays last year. Sorry to tell you, but no CB is bulletproof, and even the best at that position go down in flames at some point (Asomugha against Miles Austin; Revis getting pantsed by Peyton Manning in the AFC Championship Game). It happens.
Just try to be realistic and realize the Dolphins have some very solid personnel at the CB position—so good, in fact, that they could very well have one of the best corner tandems in the NFL by the end of this season.
With CBs the great ones can really only do two things.
Get INTs or shut down opposing WRs. Davis doesn’t shutdown opposing WRs and has 1 INT with 16 games started.
If the best thing Davis does at corner is tackle bigger guys, blitz, shed blocks, but be just above average in pass protection; he’s best suited for the nickel back position. Not the boundary corner position, IMO. Or if he isn’t fluid enough for the nickel back, try him at SS.
Oh, and the top CBs went down against the leagues best, not a old WR that was never great to begin with and a UDFA.
Our CB position is solid, but we have no playmaker or shutdown corner.
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You can move Davis to safety ... in 8 years or so
Davis had one pick in 2010, and something like four picks in 2009. If you want to just swing him over to the nickel spot (a retarded move, IMO), then be my guest. You’re basically cutting off your nose to spite your face at that point. To put it in perspective Antoine Winfield (as aggressive a tackling CB as I’ve ever seen) has 14 interceptions in the eight seasons he’s played in Minnesota; Vontae has FIVE picks already in two seasons. So where is your problem exactly? You can argue that Devin McCourty made the Pro Bowl in his rookie year, but if you were a Pats fan, you’d have a problem with him because of how badly Mark Sanchez took it to him in NE’s first meeting with the Jets last season.
There is no pacifying you in this instance, because you expect Vontae Davis to be the genetic clone of Darrelle Revis. Davis also had some great games last season, so please quit with the “old man and UDFA” bs already. If you’re going to harp on those two games, then you have the most unrealistic expectations of any fan I know.
No, if you want to compare him to a zone corner,
when our DC wants to run a man blitz D, he doesn’t fit.
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Way to completely sidestep the argument
I see you already did this once with Finster up above, so I am obviously wasting my time here.
And the only reason Winfield is a slot corner is because he's pretty much ancient at this point
I doubt he’d be successful on the outside after 15 years in the league, but it certainly wasn’t always that way.
That is how I drew my conclusion that Davis
is not fit for this D. You comparing him to a guy that has always been a zone corner.
I personally think that Davis has maxed out what he will be as a solid #2 corner that has great hands. It is Smith that I think that has the potential to be great. Smith had the opportunity to make some plays and if he did, he would have been seen as one of the best because he would have led the NFL in INTs or damn close to it.
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I agree with you on the DBs not being able to play man well.
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He isn't great at setting the edge,
he got better at it as the season wore on but still Wake is even better at that, and 3 of his sacks were coverage sacks, he has no real pass rush and isn’t an anchor over there so…
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally think we will get 2 OLBs in FA
I would love for us to get Barnes and JT. JT should come back because regardless of what happened last season, he is and will always be a Dolphin. He’d give us a guy who came come in for nickel situations and help teach the youngsters. Barnes would give us a young and developing pressure OLB who can earn the starting spot, or worst case, be a good nickel rusher.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/15/pass-rushing-productivity-third-and-fourth-down/
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by The Earl on Jul 16, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JT is one of my all time favorite Fins,
if he can help I’d be all for it.
I’d love to see Misi move inside, he could be great there imo.
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by uncle finster on Jul 16, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I was thinking about during a fanpost on very thing, but you beat me to it. I looked up the stats of the top pass rushers and the player opposite them last night. Being only a rookie and playing a new position I think Misi played fairly well. I bet A.Rodgers knows who is. He only had 1 sack on the day,but he kept Rodgers on the ground. I can only see him getting better. You can’t just use sacks to determine if he’s a good pass rushers you also have to look at pressures.
by NawlinsPhinFan on Jul 16, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The biggest busts I could see on offence are
1. Whoever we decide becomes our LG this year,neither Incognito or Jerry are pulling Guards,and I think we are riding too high on the flashes we saw from old boy after his injury.
2. Vernon Carey,his age and wear and tear shown itself last year. We keep thinking that he will revert back to his old self,but with extensive time out due to injury,and then this lockout business,he is getting plenty of time to get out of football shape. Which isnt good for a guy whos already had problems keeping his weight in check.
3. Brandon Marshall,when we signed him,all signs pointed to him being that alpha reciever this team lacked for so long. 1,000 yards and 3 touchdowns later,he has yet to proove hes deserving of the 8 mil contract we signed him to. Not to mention how much this off the field stuff must be messing with his head. Im thinking he could very well break out,and revert back to his old self at Denver,but he could also revert back to the shell of the player we saw last year.
4. Daniel Thomas,idk,i think we are hoping too hard that he comes in the gate firing on all cylanders,being a second round pick,and the fact everyone was hoping wed draft our saving grace of a plethora of QB prospects not named Henne. I seriously think anything except 1000 yards and 8 touchdowns will be considered a failure by some,infair but it is how it is with some dolphins fans.
5. Brian Daboll,I know,hes not a player but he could easily have enough reason to be on this list. Face it,us as fans have unbelievebly high standards for what it takes for someone to be a success. Henne needs to be Marino,Dsniel Thomas needs to be young Ronnie without the injury history,Sparano needs to be a top 5 coach even though hes only in his 3rd season at the position,and now we will expect Daboll to be the guy to come in,and have the exact same impact Mike Nolan had on the offensive side of the ball. Thus making him eligible for this list.
Tbh,a bust is someone that has not lived up to either his potential or expectations. That being said,you might as well put the entire team on this list. At least one person will complain about each one of these guys game in and game out,because as fans we expect and demand too much of these guys some times. It is the pedestal effect,placing them on such a high plateu,the minute they fail,they suck,no matter the circumstances.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 16, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good angle Mosul!
I was thinking the same thing….every year throughout the league there are teams and players that either get hurt or under-perform. When we were evaluating our schedule, that is something we can’t predict right now. Hopefully, our injuries/busts will be at a minimum this year…
I’m just hoping that Pouncey and Thomas don’t fall into that category….
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by Red Dog on Jul 16, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Players I’m concerned with
Cary (mental laps)
Bell (all ready peaked)
Crowder (injury)
Thomas (fumbles)
Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win
by 54 on Jul 16, 2011 12:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If Bell peaked as a very good, but not game changing SS. I am fine with that.
There are way too many holes on O to worry about getting more playmakers on D. Carey also will probably be injured this season.
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Yeah but good teams like the pats trade away good players on the decline before their value drops. I want us to do that.
Kacy Rodgers! (Our D-Line Coach) Got to give him some credit.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Play to win
by 54 on Jul 17, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think we will have that luxury next season.
But, if Henne can make things happen we might.
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Lets not forget about our new OC,....
If his plan doesn’t work out the offense as a whole will be a bust,…..
look no further than last season with Henning calling the plays,….ugh !
Marching to the beat of a different drummer since 1965...
by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 16, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
It is amazing how good an OC is when the QB plays well.
Name me a good OC with a bad QB?
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by ct1361 on Jul 16, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Daboll?
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 16, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't tease me, unless you're willing to finish...
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 16, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We all agree
Henning was a bad OC with a bad QB.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 16, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only bust I care about....
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Me too!
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2011 Super bowl or bust!!!
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don't encourage him
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Thx for the post. Most of them have been intruguing to read.I'm the Dolfan who puts his name on it,so here I go again.
Where’s Brandon Marshall on this list? A malcontent , a notch below or above TO, depending on the perspective. Do you have facts to back up your speculation of Pouncey! Do you fear him and his brother being the next Mannings? What does history say about Lil’ brother following Big Bros’ footsteps? However aboveall, the biggest bust remains Henne.Sat for a year, Learnt from an esteem Dolphin qb. Has only regress every year as a starter!
Marshall isn't a bust candidate because he's already a proven WR in the league
He’s a 2 time Pro Bowler and a 1 time All-Pro. Even if he has seasons like he did last year, he wouldn’t be a bust (unproductive, but not a bust). While he and TO are “malcontents”, both are great WRs. TO is a HoF player and if Marshall keeps it up, he’ll be a HoF player as well (needs more TDs though).
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TO is second on just about every WR records list...
He won’t be a first ballot HoF player because of his antics. But his numbers are clearly HoF worthy. If Marshall continues playing at the level he has played at (including more TDs) then he’ll have HoF numbers. And while we all want our team to win the Super Bowl, this list is about busts. Marshall is a proven WR in the league and isn’t wouldn’t be considered on the bust list.
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Marshall IS a bust candidate
for off the grid iron reasons.
he is one strike away from a season long suspension and the guy is a ticking time bomb, He gets suspended for a full season and thats a major feee agent bust.
by scrappy the wildcat on Jul 16, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No Marshall is not...
Unless we cut him or trade him, which isn’t likely. Marshall has only had one incident with the NFL. He appealed the suspension and won it. He had issues with the Broncos, but those were internal. He was suspended by the team, but that’s it. Unless he actually kills someone like Stallworth did, then he’s probably not going to get any kind of suspension that lasts all season.
I see what your point is, but I think it’s misguided. The only issue he has with the league now was when he refused to talk to authorities. He has done that now and so that situation should be done with. He’s not a suspect in any crime and hasn’t done anything to tarnish the “shield”.
Read the fanshot I posted. Marshall is working hard to get into good shape and working to be a great WR. If Henne or whoever our QB is can get him the ball, then we’ll have one of the top WRs in the league on our team. Unless his play on the field diminishes in some way, then he will not be a bust.
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he might be working hard and I hope he is....
but the fact remains he was suspended once by the NFL (which was appealed and had reduced from 3 games to 1) and once by the Broncos.
I contend the guy is THE major bust candidate on this team for the following reasons
1 – expectations are high because of his past performance
2 – what they traded to get him (2 2rd draft choices)
3 – what they paid him
4 – his off the feild issues
There is no bigger bust candidate on the Miami Dolphins than Brandon Marshall in my opinion. And that is based on the above factors. I hope I am wrong but based on recent history the question looks less like “if” Brandon has another off the feild incident …. its more like “when” will Brandon’s next off the field incident happen.
I cannot put my head in the sand when it comes to Brandon’s off the field issues. They are serious and frequent in occurance.
by scrappy the wildcat on Jul 17, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He may have another off the field issue...
But then again, so could ANY of our players. Yes, if he gets suspended, then that would be a bust. But it would be a bust if Jake Long got suspended too. You can’t expect a guy to get suspended.
As far as on the field goes, Marshall has been one of the best players in the game at his position for a few years now. He’s working on getting faster and better this off-season. There is no reason to think he’ll regress as a player. I expect Marshall to be even more dominant next season. IF he gets suspended, then so be it. But that’s not something we should expect from him.
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Yeah, but most of our players won't have as many strikes against them
and won’t get a 1 season suspension if they act up again.
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No one on this team is better than Marshall at the WR position
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Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.
by Patssuck456 on Jul 16, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Few are better than him in the NFL.
2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.
Miss the misery.
Need a reason for a change.
Need a reason to explain.
So turn it on again.
Don't change your mind.
You're wasting light.
by Patssuck456 on Jul 16, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i am not disputing his talent -
it’s what is between his ears that make him a major bust candidate – see my above response to Earl for my full reply.
by scrappy the wildcat on Jul 17, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Regress?
Dude you talk about someone inhaling fumes,you have yet to make a coherrent argument.
Hennes stats actually improved in every aspect EXCEPT the TD/Int ratio. He threw for almost 1000 yards more than his previous year,except he only did it in 1,yes 1 more game than he played in the year before.
Not to mention he did it with less help from the running game,and no threat with the long ball to take it to the house.
Take the blinders off,or get your head outta Palmers lap,and you will see that injuries and an underperformance by EVERYONE on this team on offense was why we lost games,not simply because Henne sucked. Sure he could have been better,but then again,so could Ricky,Ronnie,Marshall,Polite.
Notice one thing,we KNOW where Henne sits with his future on the team,Ricky and Ronnie,not so much. That speaks volumes about where the coaching staff felt our biggest areas of weakness were last season. Truth is,if Sporano is one thing,hes a stats guy,and if he felt QB was the bigger fish to fry,we would have gotten one. Plain and simple.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 17, 2011 12:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't waste your time man...
Ozkar does not like Henne and will not be swayed, regardless of what you say.
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I didn't throw you under the bus...
I simply said that you have a very strong opinion regarding Henne and dolphinfan4lyfe shouldn’t waste his time trying to persuade you to change that opinion. And thanks for the complement.
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Proponent of I-AA Football
Driving the Roberto Wallace Bandwagon
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Perhaps you're reiterating what I've said to you or one of the many Henne lovers at this blog,and that's that their devotion to him is comparable to them and you having their head in his lap!The bottom to me is this...
That every year Henne has been the starter We’ve gotten a worse season record yet somehow Our team has improved, with addition such as Dansby and Our prima donna!
Lol im not going to try and sway him,
That would be like trying to talk to a jets fan intelligently. A complete waste of time.
On the other hand,im hoping itll shut him up,or allow him to use stats to proove a valid point,maybe im expecting too much,but whatevs,lol.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 17, 2011 1:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not feeling any of your list here..
Henne needs to step up
B Marshall + B Hartline D Bess = The 2nd comming of The Killer B's MPF 04/17/10
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Hands out of pants!
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Excellent post Mosul_DolFan
If henne doesn’t have a break out year, the team sinks. I am really hoping the coaching staff values there position here enough that they have a back up plan to henne, i.e., VY is coming in. If they throw this season on Henne, and don’t have a back up plan, if we have to sit through another season with more INT’s than TD’s, I say, I hope the whole bunch is working for UPS next year.
Actually,i think our running game needs the breakout season
We have to have that threat on the ground,no way around it. If it falters again this year,were screwwed.
The key is balance,something we clearly lacked last year. Besides,if Henne can get us from 20 to 20,we need that guy that can pound it the rest of the way. If DT is that guy,then good. I hope for our offenses sake he is.
I figure about 3700 yards passing,20 touchdowns,17 ints. And were good,especially if our ground game can cover another 8-9 tds and about 900 yds.
That would put us somewhere in the middle of the pack production wise. With another year of solid defense,we could find ourselves winning more games,probably in the 9-10 win range.
Not at all unreacheable expectations for this team
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jul 17, 2011 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Prob is
The prob is that when teams know you don’t have a guy that can squeeze the ball in there for a TD, if they know your QB is prone to INT’s in the red zone, they can do a very strong job of defending the run because your QB is no threat.
As you say, balance is the key, but balance also comes from having both sides of the ball be a threat. When they defend the run, the pass kill’s ‘em. Didn’t happen last year, Henne was no threat, except to us, so it allowed them to defend the run. Our O line being hurt only compounded this problem. One way to strengthen the run game is to have a QB and receivers that are a serious threat.
by JImbo111 on Jul 18, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a lot of situations, yes
But I do not blame our poor ground game on the defense loading up against the run. Teams didn’t load up against us that badly. I blame our poor ground game on our OL failing to get a solid push up front and Ronnie dancing too much in the backfield.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Yes/no
Yes, the O line had BIG problems, however, Henne was known to dump off short, and threw a LOT of INT’s because of it. This let the other teams t-off on our running backs because Henne has a terrible QB rating and was of little threat to defenses last year. Just look at the number of TD’s he threw! 15! And that wasn’t because our ground game was great and we often ran the last 20 yards. It was because he couldn’t throw a TD and we had to settle for 3. Henne has only thrown 27TD’s in 2 years! The better QB’s threw more than that in one year!!!!! And again, it wasn’t because we were busy scoring running TD’s
by JImbo111 on Jul 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say Henne threw a lot of INTs because we threw short.
And again, teams weren’t necessarily gunning for our RBs. We didn’t have teams stacking the box because of any inabilities of Henne. As for the TDs, that goes beyond just him as well. That is our entire offense and how we move the ball, though nobody complained when Pennington had a low TD total of 19 as well.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
? What you say?
Not because he threw short?? The D had a better chance on a lot of his INT’s than the receiver had! They were poaching his dump passes later in the year. The word was out, henne dumps off, everyone here knew it, everyone on the teams we played knew it. And CP10 only had 7 int’s the year he threw for 19 td’s. He was far more accurate than Henne.
by JImbo111 on Jul 18, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Him never having an easy pass to complete, I blame on Henning.
All QBs need a couple easy, money passes; especially after they throw an INT. Henne had none. There never being a wide open WR, I do partly blame on the WRs, but also on Henning as our schemes were meant to fool no one. There is a saying that says “It doesn’t matter if they know what’s coming, if they can’t stop it.” Lombardi is the one who said it and lived by it. His offensive playbook supposedly consisted of four plays. That doesn’t work in the NFL anymore because there is much more parity in the NFL than there was before. That is why you don’t see the dynasties you used to see.
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Sorry,
I don’t know where you are getting this. Henne had no “easy money passes…” “There never being a wide open WR…” You usually make a lot of sense, but I have no idea how you could make sweeping generalization like this, unless your drinking the “Cool-Aid” getting ready for this season. One of the big complaints against henne last season was that he was unable to spot the “wide open WR,” and instead chose to throw a nothing dump off pass that was too often picked off. Don’t mind discussing reality, but I can’t find much in your last post.
There weren't a lot of easy passes that most NFL offenses instill in their Os.
Even those without great QBs have them. Sanchez had plenty and this is really makes him look better than he is, the OC’s creativeness. These passes are especially good to help your QB regain confidence after a bad INT or the like. The only ‘money pass’ we had ws the short out route to Bess. An out route is a very dangerous pass, but can either lead to YAC or stop the clock. What our 09 O missed was a slant or crossing pattern that would have left the DB a couple yards behind the WR due to the nature of the route. These routes are especially useful in the redzone when separation is hard to come by.
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Lemon hits a wide open WR for the dolphins first & only victory of the year!
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 19, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So easy a lemon can do it.
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So then what is the deal with Pennington?
Teams knew he couldn’t throw deep and he never had problems with INTs. I’m not making excuses for Henne’s INTs, but I am saying there were more factors than he threw short too often. If that is the case, you should be excited if Henne starts in Miami as long as he throws deep more often…
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
PotM has a good point
The dump passes henne is fond of are the kind of route where the receiver goes short toward the sideline, stops and turns. So he is standing still waiting on the ball. This lets the defender who is still running step in between the QB and the receiver, bam, he’s off to the races. CP10 threw more slant passes hitting a running receiver. These are harder to pick off if the QB is accurate. The stop and turn type route works if the ball is thrown before the receiver stops, but once he is standing still, IMO, the advantage shifts to the defender.
Also, CP10 anticipated who would be open
and threw the ball before the WR made his break. It is near impossible to stop if the pass is somewhat accurate. Henne can make lack of anticipation by throwing the rock as hard as he can. That also is hard to swipe at if you are covering a guy in man.
"Too many of us look at Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.""Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.""Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.""The most incomprehensible thing about the world is it is comprehensible.""Peace can not be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein - "pm striker king"- WZB. Mosul's Blog
*Henne can make up for lack of anticipation by.......
"Too many of us look at Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.""Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.""Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.""The most incomprehensible thing about the world is it is comprehensible.""Peace can not be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein - "pm striker king"- WZB. Mosul's Blog
Also, the reason we were lost in PS in 09
and lost our first game was because CP10 lost that ability to anticipate.
If Henne can learn to anticipate AND throw bullets, he will be great. He already is accurate enough (in 09 he tied for most consecutive completion with CP10, better than Marino ever did.)
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I am trying to wrap my head around the point you tried to make with DC$.
I think the guy has done what he has to in order to prove his worth. So what if he is asked to go out there a lot? How does that compare to the hundreds of practice kicks he takes in practice? You could send your kicker out there 10 times a game and I seriously doubt it wears on a guy that practices the same thing all week long.
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Yeah
I don’t get why Carpenter is on here.
At this point too, I think we need to temper our expectations a little on our rookie class, especially Pouncey. For one, these guys will have a very short amount of time to learn the offense and defense and get prepared for the season. Most think any position on the OL, outside of LT, is a quick adjustment, but center is still a difficult position because they will be making the calls for the OL at the LOS. With how many people think Pouncey needs to “be elite or is a bust,” we must not force ourselves to think that he has to be elite this year. Heck, I wouldn’t be completely surprised if Berger starts the season because he is more familiar with the offense.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
I agree. This is going to be rough on a lot of rookies outside of maybe RB's who seem
to pick up the basics from one level to the next the easiest.
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by texascowpunk on Jul 18, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just here trying to douche the place up. More or less a waste of your time with that one.
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Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jul 18, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sumone left the window open again, hand me a flyswatter i here a bug!
The last person on each post, at nite has got to start closeing the window’s. Thats how these bugs, are gettin in here. Dang pests; cost a small fortune to eradacate them i bet!
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 18, 2011 1:36 AM EDT reply actions
It's the slavery/economy issue.... lol
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Oh my. Please dont go there.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jul 18, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I was speaking in goof troop terms!
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 18, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah not talking to you brother.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jul 18, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i found Ozkar's americon idol try out tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1SiSUrvUnk
i thought he was pretty good, not sure why he didn’t make it
LOL...
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
i havent read the response nor do i remember what i exactly said.
If you can remind me, ill gladly help you out with this ax we need to grind
by ricenbeans82 on Jul 19, 2011 12:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL ricenbeans it might just be better to walk away from this one. Some causes are lost before they begin.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jul 19, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah your right
I just got a little carried away with free agency on the verge of opening
by ricenbeans82 on Jul 19, 2011 7:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hear you bro. We are all excited.
I will tell you this, if for some reason this thing does not go through there will be riots.
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jul 19, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Rodney King be there?
"The world is divided into two kinds of people: those who have tattoos, and those who are afraid of people with tattoos."
"Women desire six things: They want their husbands to be brave, wise, rich, generous, obedient to wife, and lively in bed."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
I don't even know what to say to that............
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jul 20, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a name from the past, if the glove does not fit you must BLANK
Serving Time for violating probation sux, it’s like getting a mobster for tax avasion !
wopper "the king" computer
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 20, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Attitude? He lacked the proper attitude!?!
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
by texascowpunk on Jul 18, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast
Wasn’t sure if you knew, but your article was mentioned on ESPN’s AFC East blog. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen them reference an article on this site (that I’ve noticed) so I thought that was pretty cool.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/30059/afc-east-links-bradshaw-eyes-fins
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Great to see that this site got some recognition. My ? is, when was it decided definitely that Our first pick in this year draft was a candidatet for a bust!
Brothers have followed brothers in the NFL and life in general to succes! Sons have even followed fathers with equal or better success. Why are WE pouncing on him when he hasn’t even step of A Miami Dolphins field? I find it narrow-minded and just plain unfounded!
It has happened before.
And actually was once sited as a source. That went well.
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lol
It’s nice to laugh at things “done past”
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He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
I hate to bring this up but Berger wasn't a bust,
he is a never was anything, that was the FOs fault for making him our starter, he sucked from the beginning.
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Can't disagree there
Grove is the bust
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Ehh, he gave us a great center for 12 games.
"Too many of us look at Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.""Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.""Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.""The most incomprehensible thing about the world is it is comprehensible.""Peace can not be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein - "pm striker king"- WZB. Mosul's Blog
but didn't live up to his contract
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
He did fine when he was in there.
The Dolphins averaged 44.2 more rushing yards per game when C Jake Grove was in the lineup.
"Too many of us look at Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.""Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.""Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.""The most incomprehensible thing about the world is it is comprehensible.""Peace can not be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein - "pm striker king"- WZB. Mosul's Blog
I am somewhat of a Joe Berger apologist.
I actually like Joe Berger. I have spent alot of time watching him play in particular and I think he gives the team alot of good plays. I would love to keep Joe Berger around as a backup because he is a guy that we can put in when we need to, has ability and starting experience.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Berger can't run block effectively and isn't very smart in pass protection.
He’s ok as a backup, but even then I would like to see a UDFA like KirkPatrick to beat him out.
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Well i agree on one point and dont agree on the other.
I agree that Joe Berger isnt a great run blocker. Where I think his problem lies is that he isnt very effective at the point of the attack from both a physical and technical level and it lead to only mediocre push up the middle. However i think his vision is pretty good and he is better at the second level.
As for passblocking I think he is pretty solid. Not great but he doesnt make many mistakes, has pretty good feat and is tough. He is much better is pass protection for example than John Jerry is who makes more mistakes from a technical standpoint which lead to blown up plays and some sacks (however Jerry is better than Berger in other areas). He is also better than Pat McQuistan.
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He still was worse in every category than Grove and
his pass blocking prowess woudn’t make him a starter on even passing oriented teams like the Colts.
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absolutely
I cant believe anyone would think Jake Grove is a bust. Jake Grove is a great football player. We took a big risk hiring him because of his injury history but Im fine with that sign. If it pans out we get one of the best centers in the game and if it doesnt he still gives your football team a major boost at the position for as long as he can stay in there. We took a risk and he got hurt again. Im fine with that.
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but he didn't live up to his contract precisely becaise of those injuries
Where is he now?
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He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
He is a free agent.
He signed with the Pats in December last year but they cut him because his lingering injuries too.
Yes it was a risk giving him a big multiyear deal (5 yr. 29 mil, 14.5 mil gauranteed) but if it panned out we were getting one of the best centers in the game.
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i agree he is talented when healthy
But sadly his injuries meant the huge contract was a waste. So I think of him as a free agent bust. Would love a healthy Grove.
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He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
I would love a healthy Jake Grove too.
and by all accounts he was a great leader. There is alot more than meets the eye to playing the position of Center in NFL.
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However with hindsight you are right that it is disappointing
that Jake Grove couldnt stay healthy and that so much money was spent on 12 games performance.
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imagine if we still had a healthy grove and smiley
Of course, I often wonder how things might have been different if Dwight Stephenson never got injured, oh well.
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He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
The thing is,
he couldn’t stay healthy before he got here, again this goes on the FO for paying an injury prone guy all that $.
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by uncle finster on Jul 20, 2011 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not a starter.
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by uncle finster on Jul 20, 2011 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Henne
will not be a bust this year. I happened to catch a game he played in college (ya I know not NFL) but this kid has talent! I just really feel this system will help him tremendously! Stretch the field and go vertical
I really hope you are correct
Last year was painful to watch, and I hate the thought of sitting through another “wasted year.” For the record, I don’t have your faith, having watched what was very poor play last year, IMO. I don’t see how someone can show so many fundamental weaknesses one year, and come back to be good the following. But miracles do happen.
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