Charles Clay....Gem of the dolphins draft
by frostyphinfan on Jun 30, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
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I was wondering, who in the NFL, would be a good comparison to Charles Clay. I came up with one name...Dallas Clark. the measurables are almost identical:
Dallas Clark: 6'4 245, 4.67 in the 40 yard dash
Charles Clay: 6'3 250, 4.73 in the 40 yard dash
people like to say Clay is to small to play on the line, perhaps, but you cant put him on the end of the line for his blocking skills! how often do you see guys like Dallas Clark being asked to block a rush DE or LB? he just dosent do it. but what Clark does do extremly well is catch the ball for 10-15-20 yard plays. he maybe asked to cross the middle and get a little push on the LB, but then he scrapes off into the soft spot in the zone or turns up field and catches the ball between the LB and the Safety. This is how Clay needs to be used. I understand that Clay doesnt have Payton Manning tossing it to him, but Clay could be the dynamic TE miami hasnt had in years. he Wont be known for his blocking skills, but when he catches 15 yard touchdowns right up the middle. his blocking woes will be overlookled. this is all dependant on how miami uses Clay. picture a 4 reciever set like this:
Marshall---------Gates------------------------------ClayXXXXX----------------------Bess----------------------Hartline
This would be the type of offense that i think Clay could help the most.
he's got the speed to beat a LB and he has great hands.....what else do you want from a pass catching TE?
I'll be keeping my eye on this guy all season, I think he's going to be a big surprise and a viable threat in his rookie season.
what do you think?
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I really hope you're right...
I wasn’t crazy about this pick because as a late pick you look for someone with a DYNAMIC or SPECIAL ability. Clay doesn’t really show that, however his strength is he is very balanced.
I’m not putting too much attention into the Charles Clay project but I hope you’re right… If we get the next Dallas Clark that could do absolute wonders for a young QB and would be one of the best draft picks this front office ever made.
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Very balanced...
Could not have said it better 72…..I think he will have a solid year….the numbers he puts up will probably not junp out at us….but I think the defenses will have to account for him and know where he is lined up at….with that it should take some attention from the WR’s..
fair enough
but that the end of the day it will come down to the performance of the QB.
This offense is NOT that bad, but we desperately need solid play from our QB
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Nice observation...
… I too hope these later picks turn into viable positions respectively.
History has shown that a low percentage of late picks actually turn out.
I think Miami did a great job of getting late players with higher upside than usual.
Another option to use him in would be in a double tight-end set, where he could also be used to block for rookie Thomas….
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i think
he will have a very solid firt year as our 2nd TE and by the end of the year will be a major weapon that can be moved around alot and eventually starting at TE with fasano the 2nd or whoever can block better with descent enough hands like haynos as out 2. CLAY will be a very good TE and very vesitiale playing h back fullback and TE and even lining out in reciever postion. hopefully we add bush and the mismatches will be plentiful. of course only add bush if we cant get williams or bradshaw as our other runner
I seriously think he will be used a bunch in a two back set,giving us multiple options out of the backfield
Sure we used several 2 te sets over these last few seasons,but I think that was more out of necessity than actual like for the formation.
This guy has phenominal hands,and as a power run team,one of the most used formations is the I. I think with our first round pick,we wont have to switch to max protect as often,freeing us to move Clay all over the field. Also,it allows us freedoms we just dont have with fasano.
The more I read and see of this kid,the happier I am with the pick up,which is more than I can say for most later round steals minus bess and wake. Overall ive run simulations on this program I got from school,and this guys value is actually most productive playing fullback with DT in at RB,
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Jun 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
stop "makeing sure" that our (team members) don't get hurt, we wood have no news then!
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 1, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that 57% a real number? wow. He’s a 6th round rookie. Does he have the talent to eventually put up those numbers? yes. But in his rookie year? I don’t even think he will get the opportunity to do that. Is he going to have a 1000 yards and 10 TD’s in 3-4 years?
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I'm a 29 percenter but you never know I guess.
Some of these guys just come out of nowhere in their rookie year. He could be that or a guy that takes a few to develop or just a guy who’s name we barely remember in 5 years.
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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he can be that guy. He’s considered a steal by some “experts”. But with our coach he wont get that opportunity unless Fasano goes down.
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Yeah our coaches need to be more open minded.
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by texascowpunk on Jun 30, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't play every team the same way as different players present new problems!
It’s a “huge riddel” the NFL, unless you have the (best QB) the same top tallented WR as other teams in your division, confrence,division, & league!
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 1, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well sure.
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Not a bad idea though, imean scrap the coaches well thought out!
Err i guess sum thought’s haft to be rehashed from time to time, & the only bad idea is no idea!
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 1, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
'all divisions"
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 1, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
David Martin had a good year as a receiving TE.
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his rookie year? I don’t even have to look that up.
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by 54 on Jul 1, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It took Martin 7 years to break 30 catches,
and his 8th season was his best, 31 rec(2nd highest total, 34 is his best) for 450yds(career high) 14.5 ypr(career high) and 3 TDs(tied for career high).
I know why everybody is getting worked up about a 6th round TE/FB that couldn’t do as many reps on the bench as Bess, because the FO sold this pick like that, they want it to appear as if they got more at the top of the draft, but we got 2 in the the first 3 rounds, 3 in the first 4 so they want it to seem like we got more so they built up that pick from before they even took Clay.
Clay is a fair comparison to Martin, a weak athletic type TE project, contrary to what many are saying you can’t put TEs or FBs on the field that can’t perform at least a semblance of blocking, and make no mistakes about it, Clay CANNOT, he is weak and completely lacking in even the fundamentals of blocking, not to mention the fundamentals of route running.
I think he’s a really good 6th round project, but a weapon this year, that is a bit far fetched, he is not a super polished phenom from a small school (Bess), he’s a guy who put up interesting stats, nothing big, and got by on his physical talents, he is a player who needs a ton of coaching and conditioning to get up to NFL speed.
Having said all that, I would not be surprised to see this FO try to crowbar him into some playing time a la Pat White, they built him up quite a bit just like with White.
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by uncle finster on Jul 6, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that the people that voted for that option
Are excited about his athleticism and versatility. Anthony Fasano may be the most traditional, in-line tight end in the NFL, but even he looked wide open at times this past season.
I think that Clay will see a ton of snaps and will be lining up everywhere from wide receiver to fullback. Yes, it will be difficult for him to put up those numbers, but I don’t think it’s impossible…
by DolfanVince86 on Jul 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s just wildly optimistic
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by 54 on Jul 1, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
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by uncle finster on Jul 6, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
100% agreement
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by uncle finster on Jul 6, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think were wishing on a star, yes I know I'm Dave downer, but I hope Im wrong. I do like are last pick
in the draft, I honestly hope that guys plays with a big chip on his shoulder,we need a guy like that!!! A Rodney Harrison type guy, I will give up 15 to 30 yards agame in flags for a guy that scares the SHIT out of anyone that comes across the middle..i.e. Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater type guy. It will only take a few games and a few flags, then they will be thinking all times where is this guy!!!
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Clark vs Clay
this comparison is ridiculous… clay has accomplished NOTHING yet… Clark is one of the best pass catching TE’s in the league… If he is 50% of that I would be happy. I liked the Clay draft pick, but I doubt he is a game changer like Dallas Clark. also 4.67 vs 4.73 speed, is NOT a small difference ! Most of the inside LB’s run around 4.75 in the NFL or better – so CLARK’s 40 time is pretty important, and enough to give him a few steps on the LB’s…. CLAY – not so much….Last year we should have taken Hernandez like the Patriots did…
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It really isn't that big of a difference.
People were wondering if Smith (4.49) would be able to run with receivers down the field, while people were confident Davis would (4.41). They were confident because of their 40 times, but the truth is Davis gets beat deep almost twice as often as Smith.
Clay and Clark share one thing, they are extremely quick and can (hopefully) out-athlete LBers for the first. They also are big enough to use the size advantage against Ss.
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were talking about
a difference of .006 of a sec . come on man…..thats faster than a blink of you eye
im not as think as you drunk i am occifer.....
by frostyphinfan on Jul 5, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I blink my eyes very fast.
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 5, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on!
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
"I'd rather be a dead Gram Parsons than a live Garth Brooks"-Kinky Friedman
Apple has a new anti-sexting feature. Brett Favre, you going to want to get the Android!
His career hinges on the blink of an eye, I herd that sumwhere not sure?!
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by wild zion beaver on Jul 6, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
OLINE blocking...
Also Fasano is forced to block a LOT with our OLINE – unless they are much better Clay won’t be able to catch many passes….b/c he will be on the bench as FASANO is blocking…
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I think Clay will see a lot of time as the 2nd TE and in the slot.
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Fasano was ASKED to block a lot...
but he didn’t NEED to. Our O-line was decent in pass protection. As a matter of fact, Fasano was asked to block more with CP than he was with Henne.
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And he has a high catch ratio when throw to. I can’t remember the number but it was on PFF. We he was open a lot to but Henne didn’t see him. I think his pass catching skill is underrated because he’s asked to block so much.
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by 54 on Jul 1, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually really excited to see how he does under this OC. He could be the most “improved” player just because if scheme.
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by 54 on Jul 1, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If he ever works himself into a position where he can catch 35 passes in one season for us then be happy because the chances aren't good.
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