Rookies: A Little Perspective, Draft Grades, and "Impact Scores."
The #1 problem with rookies in the NFL, is that out of the gate, their expectations are far too high. Sure you will get the rare Jake Long or Adrian Peterson who comes in and makes an immediate, huge impact, but the majority of rookies must be developed into NFL players. Good examples of this for the Dolphins are players like Koa Misi, Vontae Davis, and Sean Smith. Vontae and Sean were ok their first season, did much better last season, and are poised to be one of the best corner tandems in the league this coming season. Koa did ok his first season, is poised to do much better this season, etc.
So in addition to my Grades, each position is going to get an addition score that I call my "Impact Score." On a scale of 1-10 this score measures how quickly I think this player can make an impact for the Dolphins. A 10 is a player who I think can make an "Adrian Peterson" impact in his first year, 9 is someone who can make the Pro Bowl first year, 7 or 8 is someone who can start immediately and be a solid player, 5 to 6 is someone who can start if we don't have better options but is better suited for a backup, 3 to 4 is a developmental player with potential to start in the future, and 2 is a practice squad and 1 is "WTF were we thinking?" player.
Another issue with the game of football in general that people tend to forget, is that the success of any one player is highly predicated on the supporting cast he has around him. With the exception of Barry Sanders, I think you would be hard pressed to name many Running Backs who excelled with bad offensive lines. I feel like the biggest reason high-first round QB picks fail is because the majority of the time they are going to teams with poor defensive lines, poor rushing attacks, and mediocre receivers, and are immediately expected to turn the team around. That's like asking somebody to build a house with these:
I've said in on this site a hundred times before, I am a believer in Chad Henne. I'll be honest, when we first drafted him I wasn't too high on him, but I've watched him grow and improve over the years, and now I believe.
I blame the majority of last season's lack of production on O-line injuries and a complete lack of running game production. I'm not sure what happened to Ricky and Ronnie last year, and some of their troubles may also be attributed to the offensive line, but they sucked. Sure their average yardage of 3.7 and 4.5 is about in the right range and all that, but it seemed like every time we needed them to make a play - they never could. Couldn't get first downs, couldn't get into the endzone, couldn't turn a second and long into a third and short, they just lost that "playmaker" feel completely.
I do feel like if we put all the right tools in Chad Henne's hands, then this could be a terrific football team.
So with that all said, what my take on the picks for the 2011 Draft Class?
Round 1, Pick #15 - Mike Pouncey. (Disclaimer: I'm a Gator Fan.)
Grade: B+ Impact Score: 9
I think Mike Pouncey is a very good Guard. While next to his brother Maurkice at Florida when Maurkice was the center, they were a great tandem, but once Mike was moved to Center.... ouch. He can't snap. I don't like his snapping motion and accuracy at all, and I feel like when he was required to start snapping he completely lost his explosion on the line. My brother played Center from the time he was 7 years old, through middle school, high school, and 2 years of college. In that entire time, he had 2 botched snaps. Mike Pouncey has 13 in one game, and consistently had between 2 and 4 per game for the rest of the season. On average you only get around 55 offensive snaps per game, if you are right off the bat ruining 7.2% of those chances, then you aren't going to be a very good football team. In addition, the Center knows when the ball is going to be snapped, so he should be the most explosive off the ball. Watch some of his tape from last season, and you'll notice that he is often the last offensive player to "pop-up," most centers should be the first.
However, when he isn't playing Center, Mike is an explosive, very strong, very agile Guard, and has the potential to Pro Bowl in his first season. Just putting him at Center completely wastes his potential in my opinion. Between this addition and injuries from last season clearing up, I feel like we will have a very good O-line this season.
Round 2, Pick #30 - Daniel Thomas
Grade: C Impact Score: 6
My jury is still out on this kid. He looks ok. I can definitely see the knocks against him in that he runs a little too upright, seems a little too stiff, doesn't have great vision, and has some ball control issues. But I can also see flashes of explosiveness and a good combination of size, speed, and power. I feel like he is going to very much fall into the "it depends on his supporting cast" category because if he does have a good offensive line in front of him, and Daboll uses him correctly, a "one-cut" runner as Matty described him can be dangerous. Just look at Denver, Mike Shanahan made a million "one-cut" runners look like super-stars.
Round 4, Pick #14 - Edmund Gates.
Grade: A Impact Score: 7
I love this kid. First off he was a huge steal for us for him to fall this low. Second he has blazing-fast football speed. The term "football speed" is important here because that is how he looks on the field in full pads. How many guys have we seen turn in sub 4.40 40-yard dashes at the combine and that speed doesn't translate to the field? Watching this guy on tape he just made it look easy, corners had to play 5-7 yards off of him because they were so afraid of his speed, and when they backed off enough, the team just threw a screen to him for an easy 5 yards. He is exactly the kind of weapon we needed on our offense, and this is a terrific pick. Yes, he is still very raw in terms of routes, and I'm not terribly impressed with his intelligence, so I don't see him becoming a super star, but he should greatly help our offense if he can fill the role he is intended for.
Round 6, Pick #9 - Charles Clay.
Grade: D Impact Score: 2
I'm not impressed. At all. This is one of those guys that if you watch only his highlight tapes then he looks amazing, but then you look at the rest of the game and he's ehhhhhhh. I watched a few of his games and he is very much the kind of guy that doesn't try very hard if he isn't getting the ball. His blocking is lazy and lackadaisical, he frequently gets confused by blitz, he doesn't "sell" the fakes at all, he doesn't play to the snap, and he generally just looks "lost" on the field quite often to me. People keep talking about him as a "H-back" or a "mismatch TE," but to play in either one of those positions you have to be just as good of an actor as you are a player, and I just don't see that in him...... at all. I see a "me first" player who won't be on the team in 3 seasons. The only reason this grade isn't an F is because it was the 6th round.
Round 7, Pick #28 - Frank Kearse.
Grade: B Impact Score: 4
This grading gets a B just because it was the 7th round, and I feel like we got a decent value for where he landed. He has very good size and performed well, and has the frame and build to be a good player if he has the attitude and work ethic to achieve it. Being named to the second-team all-SWAC is ok, but if a player is coming from a small conference, you would hope he would be dominating it to play at the NFL level. Developmental pick for sure, and likely to end up on the practice squad, but with decent potential if he wants it bad enough.
Round 7, Pick #32 - Jimmy Wilson.
Grade: B+ Impact Score: 6
At the very least this kid will be an outstanding special teams player and will add some depth at CB as the #4 or #5. That kind of value in the 7th round is incredible. He has the skills and potential to be a solid CB, but fell pretty far due to his "character concerns." I've read a lot about this kid and I really do believe that it was in self-defense, and I feel like the kid really does have a good character. Even if he doesn't work out though, it's not that bad of a waste because it was a 7th round pick. Win/Win for the Dolphins.
Overall: B.
I think we filled some positions on offense that we desperately needed with Pouncey and Gates, got some good value in Kearse and Wilson, and got someone who could be a serviceable back in the right circumstances with Daniel Thomas. If all works out as planned, this really was a terrific draft and is really going to help Chad Henne succeed in the future. I just hope the FO proves me wrong with Clay.
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Going by these rules
Pouncey: 8, even at center. Again, personnel men from teams have said his snapping errors is an easy fix.
Thomas: 6
Gates: 6
Clay: 3
Kearse: 3
Wilson: 4
I like Wilson a lot for his potential, but if you’re rating system says 6 is a player that can start if other options aren’t available, than Wilson is not a 6. He has a lot of potential, but he is not someone I would even want as a #3 CB as a rookie.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
The only reason wilson got a 6 from me is because I think he will start and contribue on special teams. As purely a CB, I would agree with your 4 rating.
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by ratenxs on May 6, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see Wilson starting at all
He’ll strictly be a special teams player this year is my belief.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
he is saying he'll
start on special teams NOT CB
2 new rbs for 2011. Ryan Williams and DeMarco Murray???? I like. If we can trade down in first and get a 2nd or another 3rd *wink*
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Alright
But IMO, the only starters on special teams are Denney (LS), Carpenter, and Fields. Special teams are full of backups. Heck, Clay may be a starter on special teams too than.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Impact scores
I feel like you have Gates a bit to high on that score while Thomas and Clay to low. Thomas will be top two on the depth chart for RBs and Clay will serve as a gadget player. I don’t think Gates can take a starting spot just now. They will rotate him in often to just to put some fear into the D.
For the love of God, play Pouncey at Guard!
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I definitely think Gates is going to have a big impact for our offense. You’re right that he probably won’t be #1 or #2 or even the slot, but he is going to be a very solid player for the rotates into the #1 and #2 position at times and will definitely be on the field of we go 4 or 5 WR sets. As for Clay, even as a gadget player, I’m just not sold on him in the slightest.
Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling. ~Vince Lombardi
by ratenxs on May 6, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I definitely think Gates is going to have a big impact for our offense. You’re right that he probably won’t be #1 or #2 or even the slot, but he is going to be a very solid player for the rotates into the #1 and #2 position at times and will definitely be on the field of we go 4 or 5 WR sets. As for Clay, even as a gadget player, I’m just not sold on him in the slightest.
Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling. ~Vince Lombardi
by ratenxs on May 6, 2011 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hard to imagine us lining up for a 3rd down without Gates on the field.
Unless it’s 3rd and less than 1.
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few minor disagreements
but for the most I enjoyed the analysis and breakdown and the Impact Score was a nice touch…
Still deciding if im gonna do a post like this.
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Good post!
So, we have a QB who throws more INT’s than TD’s, a RB who has 11 fumbles in 2 years, and a center that has 13 bad snaps in one game. Sounds like the FO is building a “fluffer team.” Come’on down to Miami, we have great weather, great hotels, lots of golf and our team will loose to your team in the 4qb and really help you build that winning record!
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by Red Dog on May 6, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
so jimbo you spend so much time pissing and whinning like a child what did you expect to happen? i mean you thorwing such a tantrum because you didnt get your way? i guess your one of them fan boys with his mouth on mallets knob? you guys think a rookie qb is going to come in here and win us a sb this year?? well let me break it to ya all thru out the history of the nfl you want to knwo how many rookie qbs have one the big one? do ya well let me inlighten you a big fat ZERO. so then seeing how yo uwont give any qb time to develope i guess you are saying you dont want us to ever win a super bowl.
all this bitching about a rookie qb coming in and starting is such crap i cant stand it. so sorry for loosing my cool. but this crap has got to stop sometimes. gee open you damn minds and eyes before yo uopen you mouths to just porve how stupid you are.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
by animal2020 on May 6, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm with you aminal. Rec'd!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
You didn't have any to loose animal
You just never had any cool to loose animal. You and your kind are the cry babies. Get a grip, smell the roses, they stink. Look around, look at the facts… No don’t guess you can open your eyes to do that. You be happy with a crappy team, I’ll be unhappy with a crappy team and let it be known.
lol i am to old to care about being cool even more so to you. and i have never cried about anything related to this team. so you can go back to your madden way of thinking for all i really care. this team is far from crappy. so if you cant see that then go cheer for teams like the lions or the bills or any other bottom dwelling team then maybe you will see what a team is and is not. are we a great team? no we are not and i never said it was. what i am saying is it still needs work but it is heading in the right direction. course guys like you think if we stick a rookie qb in there he is going to take us to the promise land.. keep dreaming bud.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
Show me
You won’t find anywhere in any of my posts where I say I would stick a rookie in. You just made that up which you seem prone to do.
As far as bottom dwelling teams, your going to have to remove the Lions this year, I think they will break out, and I’m very concerned we might take their place.
If you think this team is headed in the right direction, I suspect you are a Jets fan.
prone to make things up? since when? i dont make anything up. and your right you did not say anything about a rookie qb. so for that i am sorry. but the rest of it i am not. lol a jets fan. check my profile never hacve i posted anyplace but here. but nice try at an attempt to insult me. if ya was going for the piss off factor sorry ya missed.
but i see you think yo uhave some kinda crystal ball in knowing how teams are going to turn out. and trying to say the lions are going to be good this year when they have yet to play a game just makes yo ulook foolish since yo uhave no idea how they or this team for that matter will turn out.
you just want to find something to bitch about.
so yes i think this team is going in the right direction they are trying to fill holes in this team. rather they ot the right players or not i have no clue untill i see them play this year if they do. but if they have at least filled one or two of those holes then yes they are going in the right direction. to bad you are to narrow minded to see it.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
by animal2020 on May 9, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I stand with Aminal. I do not need to restate what he said.
Maybe Jimbo needs to go root for the Bangles or the Raiders.
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Doesn’t Pouncey have to play center at 15?
Berger had to be the weakest link and a pulling C has less distance to travel than a pulling G.
It looks like he’s been working on the shotgun snap thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8LaDnpGlFQ
Parcells had Thomas as his third best back, for whatever that’s worth and the kid did find the end zone 40 +/- times in 2 seasons.
http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/4/25/2133222/nfl-draft-2011-bill-parcells-draft-board
Gates may be the fastest player in the draft. Apparently had a groin injury at the combine and still threw up a 4.3ish time and showed some real nice athleticism and technique.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/21/small-school-star-gates-could-be-big-time-in-nfl/
Clay is all over the place. Just a football player with soft hands.
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/38384016/draft-preview-charles-clay.htm?r_src=ramp
When you add Odrick and Edds to the mix, it’s a nice influx of young talent.
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by smahtaz on May 6, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Clay
I think if used correctly can have a very big impact. Hillis was rotting away in Denver, but was made a star in Dabol’s offense. Not sure if he should be used as a HB, but I wouldn’t rule it out. I kind of see him as a Cobbs type player (Mr. Everything+TE). I also think that Ricky is on the outs and Clay will be the motion runner in the WC, even though I think the Cat should be retired.
by krandolph410 on May 7, 2011 1:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That's part of the issue to me.
If he’s a “Cobbs-like” player, then why don’t we just use….. Cobbs?
How many times have we heard that Cobbs is a Sparano favorite and when he does get the ball he usually does fairly well with it, so why not just use him more?
It’s just, when I evaluate football players, I’m a little old school in that I put a lot of emphasis on things like selflessness, work ethic, and determination to finish a play. I think with watching film of all of these players you can see that, all of them had exceptional drive, a necessary component to be an NFL player. Except Clay. I just don’t see it.
Like I said before though, I hope that the FO can prove me wrong. I’d love nothing more then to see the kid come out and succeed and be the next Tony Gonzalez or Peyton Hillis.
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Clay - can you say "Danny Woodhead?"
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Woodhead is very small and fast.
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Point is he shows up all over the place
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by PhrozenPhish on May 7, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought you meant they would play HB the same way.
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I wasn't clear...just meant he can be our O's Swiss Army Knife
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by PhrozenPhish on May 7, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That is worth a 6th round pick, especially condiering he might make a better TE than Fasano in our system.
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Absolutely
At least with the ball in his hands…from the looks of things he barely blocks sunlight.
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by PhrozenPhish on May 7, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
"barely blocks sunlight"
And that’s exactly the problem. If he can’t block at all, then when he is on the field, the defense already knows they need to cover him, which defeats the whole purpose of being a mis-match TE.
If he can’t block or sell a fake, he’s just a guy who’s too slow to be a WR and not strong enough to be a HB.
Ever hear the phrase in basketball that the best players are the ones that makes plays when the ball isn’t in their hands? The same thing applies to a mis-match TE / H-back position.
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The whole purpose of a mismatch TE is that he is
too physical to be covered by a S or CB.
and too quick and fast to be covered by a LBer.
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Bingo.
Not a lot of talk about Dallas Clarke’s blocking or Zach Miller’s.
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Fasano is our blocking TE anyway
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Fasano does a little of everything you want a TE to do.
not just great at any one thing. (Except maybe inline blocking)
Clay could be that go down the deep middle, catch the ball, then get killed by the deep S guy.
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