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Ryan Mallett "sensational" during workout; Could Dolphins be interested?

What's that? A quarterback is allowed to show emotion on the field?

If you are like me, then you're also probably wondering what to make out of Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett. On one hand, we hear about the "character concerns" that surround the big quarterback. And we did see a small example of the "maturity issues" that have been discussed when he abruptly ended his press conference with the media at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

On the other hand, Mallett has been simply outstanding during his passing drills on the field - both at the Combine and again at his Pro Day workout on Tuesday. Now I can't help but wonder if the Dolphins should seriously be considering the 6'6 signal caller.

Mallett was the most impressive quarterback on the field at the Combine. Tony Pauline, one of the most respected draft analysts, called Mallett's Combine performance the best QB performance at the Combine of the past ten years. Now Mallett has followed up on his performance in Indianapolis by having a very strong passing performance at Arkansas' Pro Day.

Star-divide

NFL.com's Bucky Brooks referred to Mallett's workout as "absolutely sensational." Brooks writes:

The junior was absolutely sensational during the workout, and his natural talent is unrivaled in this year’s draft. As a strong-armed passer, Mallett easily makes all of the requisite throws in the pro game. He had little trouble putting the ball on the proper shoulder with velocity and zip. His arm strength, touch and accuracy also stood out on deep throws. His high-arcing throws consistently hit receivers in stride 40-45 yards down field, but he also showed the ability to adjust the arc and trajectory of his throws to match the speed of his intended receiver.

Mallett’s footwork and fundamentals were sound in the pocket, as he quickly sets up and comes to balance following three-, five- or seven-step drops. His natural rhythm comes from his extensive experience running a pro-style attack, and he shouldn’t have any problem transitioning to the next level from a physical standpoint.

Brooks went on to compare Mallett to Drew Bledsoe. Other scouts in attendance, according to Brooks, threw out names such as Dan Foutes and Dan Marino (no, I couldn't believe it, either) when asked to draw comparisons to Mallett.

But the comparisons make sense in terms of Mallett's arm strength and ability to throw the football as well as Mallett's athleticism - or rather, lack thereof. As expected, Mallett ran a very slow 40 time (5.37) and didn't do very well at all in the athletic drills, leading to the term "statue quarterback" being thrown around.

To me, Mallett has always reminded me of a Bledsoe type of quarterback because of his lack of athleticism. The comparison to Marino, though, is ridiculous. Marino may have been unathletic in terms of his ability to scramble. But in the pocket, he was as good as there ever was at avoiding the rush. I'm not so sure Mallett possesses that kind of ability to move within the pocket.

Still, Mallett's pure passing ability has got to have the attention of Tony Sparano and Jeff Ireland. He's one of the most physically gifted passers to come out of the draft the past several years.

But will the Dolphins consider taking a chance on a kid like this? Should they?

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If he’s there at round 3 I say we take him!

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by thatcoolguy on Mar 9, 2011 5:41 AM EST reply actions  

he won't last till the third

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by Kdog92 on Mar 9, 2011 6:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol what?

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 9, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's ok...go back to sleep, now.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He was rated for the third before hi combine, no way that happens now.

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

"hi combine"?

still with the drug talk. Sheesh.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

his

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not take him with pick 15 if he is there...

Lets say he develops into a franchise QB. How long before we hear the end of it? Could you imagine what would have actually happened had we taken Drew Brees in the draft? There is no way anyone here would have stood for giving the guy 3 years to develop… we would have all run him out of town before his 3rd full season starting.

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by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 9, 2011 6:00 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Phins uniform

he’s big, strong armed, what more can you ask for. If we don’t take hm and hed succeeds elsewhere, we’ll be kicking ourselves for the next 15 years

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by Kdog92 on Mar 9, 2011 6:01 AM EST reply actions  

You can say that about any of the QBs in the draft.

If they succeed.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

Looks like Mallet is once again the flavor of the day but I’m not totally convinced. Escapability and being able to throw on the run is increasingly important given the speed of defensive ends these days. I’m more comfortable taking Kaepernick or Ponder for the leadership issue,but thats just me. If Mallet’s around at fifteen and we happen to take him, so be it. He’s a Dolphin and he’s still an upgrade over Henne.

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by CanT0o on Mar 9, 2011 6:05 AM EST reply actions  

to continue

Maybe I’m drawing too close a comparison to ‘Jamarcus Leaf’ when I see Mallet’s outstanding physical attributes and read things about immaturity concerns. But I DO like the comparison to Fouts and Marino…not so much Bledsoe.

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by CanT0o on Mar 9, 2011 6:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Coming out of College Bledsoe was a stud.

The man had a very solid NFL career and might well have won a couple of SBs in NE if he hadn’t got hurt and turneded into the Wally Pipp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Pipp of the NFL.

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 9, 2011 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Reading the reference..

..is that because Pipp was replaced by Gehrig and Bledsoe was replaced by Brady? (Both to the advantage of the Yankees and the Patriots, respectively….)

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by CanT0o on Mar 9, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 9, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If Bledsoe 2.0 were available in the draft I would take him (and a speedy WR)

He was a solid QB

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by Strange on Mar 9, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think escapability is overrated and Mallet throws just fine on the run

of course, he’s not running very fast while he does it though, :) He’s as fast as Brady, and he can learn to be more fluid in the pocket, but you can’t teach accuracy and touch, two things he has in spades.

The leadership issue is a bigger concern for me. Also work ethic. I just watched a Pro Day interview with him on NFL Network, and he doesn’t exactly inspire. Manning and Brady are the smartest guys on their respective teams (or at least close enough to seem that way) and that goes a long way towards success.

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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 9, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think escapability is overrated

Agreed. Marino played how many seasons with a brace and his knee and he was fairly decent.

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by Phinatics on Mar 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

That was 20 years ago.

We need to move on and realize the game has changed since Marino’s days. The game has always evolved, so let’s not all be Dan Henning/Al Davis and continue to believe that the old recipe for success is still applicable today.

Plus, Marino still has the fastest release of anyone to play the position. I doubt Mallet’s release is even close.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

True, but Marino was the first 'modern' passer, so it is still valid.

When I start seeing QBs have 100 rushing yards games in the NFL, I’ll start caring about my QB’s 40 time. Otherwise, I’d rather have a good passer.

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough,

I just prefer to be ahead of the curve than behind it.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, considering that there is like one HOfer that was extremely fast

I wouldn’t scrutinize the QB’s speed, although it would be nice to have a pocket passer that ran a 4.2, but that’s just unnecessary and kind of hard to get one because in college the QB would have definitely used it instead of having to learn what to do when pressure gets there.

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my entire point though.

The NFL is in transition. We won’t see speedy HoFers for another 20 years, but in the next 10 we will see a lot of successful mobile QBs.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Vick is the only successful scrambling QB today and

is only this successful because he learned how to be more of a pocket passer.

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Rodgers is quite mobile.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Rodgers,

Matt Cassel, Josh Freeman, etc.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe Elway and Marino were always being compared

and there will always be both types of QB’s playing together. It’s how you game plan that matters. Would I like it if Mallett was a sprinter…hell yea. But he isn’t and he will be the best QB available at 15.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes behind the curve can be good.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

you definitely want to stay behind the curve if you’re spectating Nascar!

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Or anywhere near Alpha

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I'm not following the concept of "modern passer" here

What made Marino different from John Unitas or Joe Namath?

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 9, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

your kidding?

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by Flip-her on Mar 10, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm talking style.

PotM said

Marino was the first ‘modern’ passer
I’m asking what he means. I’m not saying Unitas was better than Marinio…but I don’t see a huge difference in Unitas’s and Namath’s game …pure passers, great arms, move in the pocket rather than run, fiery competitors and Dan’s game. I could throw Dan Fouts in there too. What makes him the first “modern” passer?

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 11, 2011 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

He shattered all the passing records and ran a modern offense in the 80s.

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by PotM on Mar 11, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Speaking of that offense. Marino, among other things, was proof of how good a coach Shula was.
Recognizing what he had, Shula completelt changed the Dolphins’ offensive style. They went from a power running team to a flying circus in about eight games.
Bum Phiips once said about Shula “He can take hiz’n and beat yur’n and then take yur’n and beat hiz’n.” If you take a look at how some other coaches couldn’t adapt like that (Joe Gibbs, Mike Shanahan) you get an idea of how good Shula really was.

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 13, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although, Shula didn't do much after that though as far as getting talent, otherwise Marino might

ten rings on his hands.

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by PotM on Mar 13, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

might have

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by PotM on Mar 13, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why your coach shouldn't be your GM.

Even if he’s Don Shula…too much to do in each job to be good at them both.

The NFL website just did the 6 worst Dolphin Draft busts and Don has about half of them and some others that could have (Jackie Shipp) made the list..

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 13, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Matty said...

Marino was also probably the best QB in the history of the game at shifting in the pocket to avoid the rush. Mallett is not even remotely close.

Under pressure in the pocket, he resembles Chad Henne — falling down as soon as he even feels it — not Dan Marino. Maybe that can be fixed, maybe not, but the idea that he’s going to become as good as Marino is . . . let’s say optimistic.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Gee...passing yards for Mallett last season....3,869.

Not bad for being on the ground so much, as you claim.

By the way…Marino’s senior year, he threw for 2,432.
I’m very optomistic. Assuming we are playing and draft him.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say he was on the ground a lot.

I said he goes down when he feels pressure. He wasn’t under pressure a lot this year.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are you always so abrasive?

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

College football has changed a lot.

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by PotM on Mar 10, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Say wha?
you can’t teach accuracy and touch

That’s a really odd argument to be making on behalf of Ryan Mallett, in particular, who had roughly zero of either until this year.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

history has shown that by the time a QB is entering the draft they are about where they are going to be on those two areas

At this point, they either show a natural predisposition towards touch and accurate ball location, or they don’t. Small improvements can be made from learning better technique, but passers don’t become drastically different. Which is very different from the development that a kid undergoes in college as his body, etc matures. Even so, I’m in no way familiar with Mallet’s development as an underclassman, but I’d be willing to bet there were signs of those two aspects in his game.

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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 9, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I am familiar with his development.

His accuracy was wildly erratic before this year. He worked extremely hard during the last off-season, and improved greatly. (Another reason I think the character concerns are malarkey.)

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a load of bullshit too.

Case in point: Michael Vick.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel passing on Mallett would be a mistake

Size of Big Ben, Arm of Marino, yes questions do surround him, is he elusive enough?
Put a good line in front of him, we already have a good receiving corp, he has a great chance of succeeding and being a franchise QB.
He will not be around for the Third….I think gone by end of First or beginning of Second!

by MassFinFan65 on Mar 9, 2011 6:46 AM EST reply actions  

weren't there questions about Marino...

And his off-field habbits when he came out that caused him to slide?…just checking. The kid is gifted, and probably more committed to football than Cam Newton. Maybe he parties, so what- he’s young. I say if we can trade down to just before mid 20’s when seattle is slated to pick, then we draft him. Draft OL in 2nd if we can acquire one, and then) in third, with OL the rest of the way.

Where is Oronde Gadsden when we need him?

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by FinzD54 on Mar 9, 2011 6:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The kid is gifted, and probably more committed to football than Cam Newton.

Cam Newton works hard at his game. His work ethic is not questioned, yet Mallett is more committed? Come on now.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

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by 21Dave on Mar 9, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no question Cam works very hard.

But when it comes to accuracy and grasping the NFL system…it’s Mallett hands down!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can trade down......

and get a 2nd then Mallett late in the 1st would be ideal

by samalex on Mar 9, 2011 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

Best Case Scenario ...

Then we could also get a RB or say Kyle Rudolph is the second

by markus_13 on Mar 9, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can trade down in the draft and still get him that would be awesome.

But if they feel that he won’t be there due to concerns of him not being there then take him at 15. I’m good with him he does have alot to offer he is the best looking pro ready qb. We can’t sit back and wait. This pick could save Tonys job Ross could be" get the kid ready "and mid season get him in and if he produces everybodys happy. Then we don’t have a concern at qb. If he comes in last 5 games and goes 4-1 and throws 8-12 tds and less then 3 ints. I’m pumped for next year but we would most likely be in the season is over mode. To some up if he is the guy get him.

by Jel81 on Mar 9, 2011 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

Since we haven;t picked a QB in the first round since Marino and that has been our biggest issue...

I say go for it. Roll the dice a little bit. We have a talented, if not supremely quick, recieving corp and the big kid can throw a beautiful ball. At the very least maybe he’ll motivate Henne to step it up a notch or two next year.

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by Gatorphin15 on Mar 9, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

Be realistic

Mallet will not last past the 1st round, so if the fins want him they will have to spend their 1st round pick on him. There are other QBs I’d rather draft, but Mallet is definitely an upgrade over what we have. He will win us some games on his ability, especially when he’s protected well. On the other hand, he will lose us some games when he feels the pressure. I could live taking a chance on Mallet, but please fins draft a QB in the first round. If Mallet, or whoever we pick in the 1st round turns out to be a bust at least we had the guts to address the issue that has plagued the fins since Marino retired. If we don’t at least try to get a quality QB it will be the same ole, same ole.

by straighttalk on Mar 9, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

I like the thoight of growing a pair and taking a chance, but is he really worth a 1st

Are any of these QB really worth a first other than Gabbert, locker and possibly Newton (who has grown on me some). How did this class go from being one of the weakest in a long time to all of a sudden sounding like the 83 draft. I don’t get how htese kids have been talked into first round quality. I’m all for getting a QB, but not jumping just cause one of these guys could be the best available. I say we have to if possible trade down get the best OL( I knowit’s safe but it’s whats needed badly) and then get one of the next QB’s available in the second. Where theuy should be. THen go after your speed wr, TE and or rb in the next couple rounds and then OLine the rest of the way. Just my opion.

by D0lphins4Life on Mar 9, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree about passing, so to speak, on a QB this year.
Are any of these QB really worth a first other than Gabbert, locker and possibly Newton

None, including those guys. IMHO.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Accuracy, touch and a cannon for an arm. Concerns with his maturity aside, what's not to like?

I think this guy is the real deal when it comes to quarterbacks. And I think he’ll be available at 15 because of said character issues. The only problem is, his stock continues to rise, and rightly so. I think our scenario of moving down in the draft may be in jeopardy if this is the guy we want.

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by kdock on Mar 9, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

He does have some things to work out when he is under pressure, but

he was improved in this his senior year v. his junior year.

I think he is one of the most pro ready prospects in this draft the other being Ponder.

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If h is available when our pick is due &

we draft Mark Ingram instead….I’ll be pissed…it will be playing it safe again for an RB when then average NFL career is 4 yrs when we could have a franchise QB with a cannon arm who may play with a chip on his shoulder (which I love to see) for 10 yrs +!!

by MassFinFan65 on Mar 9, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Why would he have a chip on his shoulder after being drafted in the 1st round?

I would think he would feel validated.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Srry Matty i think he is a diva all the way!

Hope who-every draft’s this man, gets “car insurance” at the same place i do!

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by wild zion beaver on Mar 9, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Perhaps you should get one of those new

brail computer screens, cause you missed the real words that ‘all’ the scouts were stating.
[You drive?] lol

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol; say spitt it out, say what you really mean!

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by wild zion beaver on Mar 13, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Mallett

is still on the board in the mid to low 20’s in most of the mocks I have seen. Hopefully we can get him and still pick up a 2nd rnd pick.

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by Rockphin on Mar 9, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Holy shit.....Nice avatar buddy!!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to "recommend" your post...

but got distracted by your avatar. Anybody know a way to “recommend” an avatar? :)

by say_it_aint_so_JT on Mar 11, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh im not sure

The guy has shown in the combine and pro day that he has all the tools to be a solid QB.

But those are not NFL games.

Every time he talks I don’t get the leader feeling, he has character concerns and he was heavily pressured by a good OSU defense in the bowl game and couldn’t get comfortable. I say we have our guys bring him in for an interview.. Right now I have him 4th behind Newton, Gabbert, & Ponder, and would grab him if we trade down to the 20’s and our coaches feel he could come in and make an immediate impact.

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by BSerious72 on Mar 9, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

You have Newton ahead of Mallett

and then make the statement, regarding Ryans combine

But those are not NFL games
Go buy a cork, because the smoke coming from your ass is getting thick!

Newton played ‘one’ game in college which was the spread. That means only 10% of the plays he ran are NFL type plays. Mallett ran an NFL type offense!

You claim Mallett has ‘issues’ because of rumors, yet Newton was a gnats hair away from expulsion, for ‘real’ issues…but that’s OK?
Cam was mediocre at best at the combine, and you grade him #1 and Mallett as 4th?

Lets hope the whole NFL arena is as myopic as you!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

Newton doesn't lose it under pressure.

Mallett does. And lots of pressure is commonplace in the NFL.

Newton was a 19 year old kid when his “issues” happened. He has since shown maturity.

Mallett is acting like a child right now, not in the past.

Yeah, Cam was mediocre, but shines against strong competition.

Mallett was great at the combine, but folds to tough competition.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Cam Newton let Oregon back into the BCS Title Game with a late fumble?

He has his blemishes, too.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 9, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He also whalloped South Carolina in the SEC Championship.

He also lead Auburn to an undefeated season in the toughest conference in the NCAA, which includes two wins over South Carolina, a win over Alabama, as well as a 20+ point win over Mallett’s very own Arkansas.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He is very competitive, no doubt about it

and he has more than enough arragance. I just don’t feel he’s smart enough to pick up the NFL system for a couple of years.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. You flash wins over South Carolina as if they were the 2008 Gators or something

Hate to break it to you, but the SEC East wasn’t nearly as good this year as it has been the last five or six seasons. Newton’s win over Alabama was the most impressive victory he had this season, but who gives a shit if he beat Arkansas? Terrelle Pryor technically beat Arkansas. He’s big and mobile, too. Think we should draft him?

Of course, that loss wasn’t a ringing endorsement of Mallett, either, but I can accept that he simply overlooked the zone blitz against Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl and payed for it. He also threw two of the most gorgeous touchdown passes I’ve ever seen, which got Arkansas back into that game.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 9, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

South Carolina was quite good this year.

They were the first team to beat Alabama in quite a long time.

So if Auburn’s win over Alabama was impressive, how was South Carolina’s not?

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

South Carolina was not a very good football team.

I know they won the SEC East, but only because somebody had to win it. As for the head-to-head, it’s a meaningless comparison. Auburn’s defense was much, much better than Arkansas’s, and, as a result, Mallett got knocked out of that game.

The kid who came in and replaced him, btw, I think is going to be a better QB than Mallett. Keep an eye on Tyler Wilson in this year’s college season.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

South Carolina was a very good football team this year.

They peaked at #10.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of teams get over-ranked...

at some point of the season, every year. I’m going on how I saw them actually play.

by urbino on Mar 10, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched quite a few games.

They almost always played to their competition (like Clemson does as well), so they looked great against the stronger opponents, but left you scratching your head against the weaker ones. They can still compete with any team though. The first Carolina/Auburn games was cloooooooose.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

REALLY close right down to the wire

and that game was Auburns third straight to come right down to the end. The story of The 2010 Auburn Tigers is an amazing story, really unbelievable.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 10, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He did well in his OSU bowl game.

It doesn’t look like it because open Receivers were dropping balls in the whole 1st quarter. 7 drops in a row and didn’t let that bother him and he didn’t self destruct and blame everyone else, but came back strong.

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know that.

That’s cool.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the only time I saw him play,...

and I saw several wide open receivers drop sure TDs or big gainers.

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by Ohiofinfan4life on Mar 9, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Malletts acting like a child. How?

Malletts tough enough…every QB has had bad days

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No more statues please,

the game is changing!

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

This^^^

I don’t care how accurate or how strong an arm a QB has, if the QB can’t avoid the rush, set his feet and release the ball quickly, I don’t know how successful he can be in today’s NFL.

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by ct1361 on Mar 9, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

So you're saying "play it safe"?

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

No,

he’s saying draft a QB than can do all of the things he said.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't realize you spoke for ct

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

If part of your QB 'reading' skills

have a section for “narcissistic grand-stander”…then you pick well!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

QB reading skills huh?

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Very entertained I am!

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by Red Dog on Mar 9, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The NFL is definitely changing

But of the top 4 QBs in football, three are “statues” (Brady, Manning, Brees). Mallett’s footwork is very solid, but he could use a bit more quickness on his release. I like him, though.

Ryan Mallett or Christian Ponder in 2011!

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by kmb8488 on Mar 9, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Those QBs were drafted 10 years back.

When the new class is on top in 10 years, let me know how many statues are at the top.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Blah, blah, blah, blah

Oh look, it’s more nonsense coming from you. Big surprise. I’d have to say you might be tops around these parts for dismissing the opinions of others while contributing NOTHING to the discussion. But hey, you just keep on seeing the angles without playing them if that’s what you’re comfortable with.

Mobility is more important today than ever, but it’s still an accessory. You can’t just be an athlete behind center; you have to be able to make the reads and make them in a hurry. To be a successful QB, you need game intelligence and accuracy. There are cases to be made against the need for a strong arm (Joe Montana), mobility (Brady, Manning, Brees), and off-the-field intelligence (Terry Bradshaw), and though I’d prefer to have a QB with ALL of these traits, I am most concerned with smarts and accuracy.

Oh, and with this “new wave of QBs,” let’s take a look at who might qualify as a statue:
-Matt Ryan
-Joe Flacco
-Philip Rivers
-Sam Bradford
-Matthew Stafford

You’re right, Joel. That is a terrible list of quarterbacks!

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by kmb8488 on Mar 9, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Flacco is pretty mobile, though

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

& Bradford and Stafford are yet still puppies.

They need 3-5 years to prove themselves, so that might imply 2/5?

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by Tunaflipper on Mar 9, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh? Huh? Flacco is slightly more mobile than Chad Henne

Compared to the Cam Newton’s of the world, those guys are certified statues.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 9, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh my...Rec'd!

I’m glad i’m not the only one that sees Joel311 for who he is!

by BigBenky on Mar 9, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

(.....I think he's Cecile Newton.)

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW

I also dont agree with Joel’s point here (at all) but that is brutal. I have had many in depth discussions with Joel311 and I have alot of respect for his knowledge and his opinions. Of all people on this site I have agreed more with Joel in the past than any other user and when we have disagreed he has never discounted my opinion or insulted me (and he didnt to you).

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't ask for your opinion on the matter, but I am glad you offered it anyway

He discounts plenty of opinions here (as do you), and I’ve yet to see him back up any of his arguments with valid support. I don’t agree with anything CT says, but you don’t see me trying to stir the pot and needlessly argue with him. His opinion is his and mine is mine, but Joel just comes off as an instigator at times. Excuse me for bringing that to his attention.

Frankly, it’s stuff like this that has essentially ruined this site for me. I can’t suggest any kind of opinion without getting absolutely killed on it (see above).

Also, you and Joel were basically falling all over each other in the “Should Dolphins draft defense?” post a few weeks ago, and while I can understand why you’re coming to his defense, I have very little regard for your say in this matter. Just trying to be honest.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 9, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok a few things

first off if i offended you I didnt mean to, however i just didnt undertsnad how someone discounts your opinions when you are the one responding with things like “blah blah blah blah”. I actually think your point was valid and interesting i was only defending him becuase he has never come off that way to me.(unlike some fans on this site).

As for me Im sorry you feel that way. I never have tried to discount peoples opinions, and I dont think I really do that. For example I disagree with Flip-her alot but I think I listen to and try to understand his opinions for the most part. (he can tell me if i dont).

btw thanks for telling me “you guys were basically falling all over each other in the Should Dolphins draft defense post”. That was uncalled for and you know it.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 10, 2011 6:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I appreciate the civil parts of this response, and I am far from offended

But you have to understand that Joel rubs a lot of the people here the wrong way (see above if you need evidence). I know he’s your bud and everything, but if he’s going to just make it hard for other people here to suggest simple things like “I like this player or that player,” then I am going to make bring it up (though I suspect he already knows what he’s doing).

And I apologize if you took the “falling all over each other” comment in a way other than how it was intended. I was just saying I see you two as being in cahoots. Nothing more.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 10, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I may rub people the wrong way with my

opinions, but I sure don’t attack people. That is just plain childish. If you don’t like my arguments, don’t respond. It’s that simple. The one time I called someone stupid, I immediately apologized and explained that I was frustrated from a previous post where someone attacked me.

There are quite a bit of people on this blog that I disagree with regularly, yet I always give credit where credit is due when they make a good argument.

Personal attacks have no place in a good football debate. Unfortunately, the internet lacks manners.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think me saying you can't back your arguments is a unforgiveable personal attack, then you clearly don't spend enough time on the internet

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by kmb8488 on Mar 10, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And regarding the childish comment

I’ve honestly been under the assumption my entire time here that you are in your teens.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 10, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i didnt understand what you were trying to say

but it still isnt accurate because we are by no means “in cahoots”. However I think it would be good to just leave it at that.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 10, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ruined this site for you??

I’ve been around quite a bit longer than you. I’ve been reading since 2007 and posting since 2008.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself!

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't care how long you've been here

I’ve also been reading since 2007. Hooray, pissing match.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 10, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol,

you said

Frankly, it’s stuff like this that has essentially ruined this site for me.

I just pointed out that I’ve been posting longer, so you never had a respite from my posts, which leads me to believe you must never have liked the site!

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the info, but not the barking that takes place anytime someone offers opinion B that doesn't jell with Opinion A

And there’s been an excessive amount of that during the last six months. And you argue about the strangest things—it’s like you think The Phinsider is the football version of CNN’s Hardball or something.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 10, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

There are a lot of people that get angry

when things aren’t going their way. I just brush it off.

Thanks for getting my back though civ!

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, did I offend you?

LMAO a bit sensitive are we?

There will be good pocket passers, and you are right, it is an accessory, but an accessory that is going to be more prevalent (and will likely become a necessity) as the game goes on.

I like how you insult me, then agree with my premise in the first sentence of your paragraph. Kudos.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sensitive, but just tired of you being an instigator and then resorting to gibberish when you get called on it

And I gave a nod to your premise, but I don’t recall saying, “You’re absolutely right. Mobility first, everything else later.” Kudos to you for basically supporting everything I’ve said. I actually feel like I am arguing with Billy Madison here (before he went back to grades K-12).

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by kmb8488 on Mar 10, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I instigated nothing.

You came out swinging.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong. But at this point, I really don't care.

If you haven’t figured things out after three years here, then you never will.

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by kmb8488 on Mar 10, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Joel...

Please listen to Kmb and take a good, long look in the mirror dude. You are constantly arguing with people on here, constantly playing Devil’s advocate, and consistently feel the need to get in the last word. Seriously man, if you like arguing so much maybe you should take the LSAT and try to get into law school. Seriously.

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by BigBenky on Mar 11, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

No ... Just Mallet isn't my first choice at QB. Any QB taken by the Phins at #15 isn't a safe pick.

I think some athletic ability by a QB in the pocket is key to success in today’s NFL. QB’s don’t need blazing speed but they need quick feet. They need to be able to move in (or out of) the pocket, buy that extra second by avoiding the rush, reset his feet, and then deliver the ball accurately. I don’t know if Mallet can do that.

Marino, Manning, Brady, Brees aren’t fast but they have quick feet. They can buy that extra second in the pocket and deliver a strike. If Mallet can move his feet like these guys, I am all for drafting him. But I haven’t seen that ability from him.

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by ct1361 on Mar 9, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep...i agree, there are questions that can only be answered on the field.

However, one must rely on those who know more about evaluation, and when Tony Pauline, one of the most respected analysts around, who closely watched Ryan workout, called Mallett’s Combine performance “the best QB performance at the Combine of the past ten years.”,… I tend to listen and respect the comment.
It was also said his footwork was fine…the negative was his supposed anxiety attacks when under pressure. Then the drug BS.
This FO needs to take, not just a blind grab, but an informed leap and grab this guy. JMO.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I will be in full support of Mallet as a draft pick by this FO.

If they believe that he is the franchise QB that the Phins need, go for it. They get paid a great deal of money to make these choices. I was just stating my opinion.

Plus my track record on QB’s isn’t that great. I didn’t like Matt Ryan in the ‘08 draft. But looking back he should have been the #1 pick in that draft and this FO missed that opportunity. I also wasn’t that high on Sam Bradford but he looks like the real deal in St. Louis. I thought Josh Freeman wasn’t a first round talent and he is pretty good too. I did like Flacco and I did like Stafford so I don’t completely suck, but I am usually wrong. =)

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by ct1361 on Mar 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If either one of us were more right than wrong

we would be making more money [at least I would] , people would know our real names, and actually care about our opinions. ; )

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well Said!! ^^^

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by ct1361 on Mar 9, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If Mallet's 5.37 40 is accurate

he can be clocked with a sun dial. Now I’m not expecting Mike Vick elusiveness but once the pocket collapses, he’s just another very big dude lying on the ground.

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by CanT0o on Mar 9, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Whats your address

I want to send you some crackers!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm....crackers...ohh kay (??)

You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.

by CanT0o on Mar 10, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw alot i liked and didn’t in Mallet, the bowl game vs Ohio state had a bit of it all.
He made some truly amazing passes even under pressure righ on the money ( several were dropped).
He also had some very bad passes usually under pressure and shorter passes.

He just can’t avoid a rush, and that is bad, you need a top OL for the guy, that is something I never like about Bledsoe, he was good when he had alot of time, and not so good when he didn;t have it. I see Mallet as a Bledsoe clone, not terrible but not great either.

He is Henne with better accuracy most of the time.

by scorp on Mar 9, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Pat White absolutely tore up the combine too.

Plus the hardest thing for scouts to forsee is what success will do to a player. A druggie before money generally translates to a scarface after money. Don’t like the pick.

by labrat3105 on Mar 9, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

And this proverb
A druggie before money generally translates to a scarface after money.

is based on whom?

It’s guys like you that I loved in the 83 draft.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The proverb is based on Tony Montana a political refugee from Cuba of course!

Thank you Flip-her for saying you love guys like me. I unfortunately am straight.

When you compare Mallet to Marino I just lose all interest in dancing with you anyway. So please take your hand off my A$$ and find another partner.

by labrat3105 on Mar 10, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI......Tony Montana IS Scarface!

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by Flip-her on Mar 15, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Political refugee?
A druggie before money generally translates to a scarface after money.

You play the ignorance of the crowd to your advantage…Like Castro.
Tony IS scarface….
not the picture you paint.

Why the deceite? Just comment!

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by Flip-her on Mar 15, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mallet and White

Are not even in the same world when it comes to passing ability.

by LordBishop34 on Mar 9, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it's a good thing

But LT was a big time coke head and he changed the way you play linebacker today. Ricky Williams smoked his way to the best rushing season ever by a Dolphin. $hit even “The Playmaker” Micheal Irvin was a coke head and I’d draft Irvin,.LT or Ricky if I could. Not saying I would take Mallet though. I don’t watch much college football, except for the bowl games. I do however watch LSU and most of the top SEC match-ups. From what I’ve seen I’d take Newton over Mallet.

by NawlinsPhinFan on Mar 9, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

All the scouts were impressed

…when Jamarcus Russell lit up the combine. Mayock was effusive in his praise as were most all of his colleagues. Same with Leaf: ‘who do we pick first? Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning?’ Tuff choice at the time.

I’m skeptical enough to want the QB with no immaturity issues. One of my reasons for this is..who do we have to coach the newbie up?? Dorrell? QBoll? Tony?? We need a QB that will transition this coaching staff and the one we’ll most likely get in 2012-13.

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by CanT0o on Mar 9, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

All the QB's are kids really.

My emphasis is on accuracy and somewhat immediate impact. The later would come from a QB that has played in an NFL structured college system. IMO I see Mallett as that choice.

Right now, to this kid, the key to his future carrier is right now. Put yourself in his place. Even though you passed all college drug tests…the media keeps asking you about your drug abuse issues. You answer the question…“I don’t do drugs!”..then the next reporter asks the same question…and the next…and the next. How many times and ways do you say "I don’t do drugs? He was tired of it and walked out…good for him. I like the FU attitude.
I think what we are now seeing is a toned down demeanor in his appearance, which may come across as perhaps passive.
 
Can he slip across rushers, like Marino? Perhaps not right away, but remember…Marino grew up in Philly and you learn that from just walking down the freakin street!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Marino grew up in Pittsburgh

No need for speed when youre walking through town.

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by CanT0o on Mar 9, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I was being facetious.

When walking Pittsburgh’s tough streets, it becomes second nature to slip to the side, and avoid contact.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Maturity issues

Money + South Beach equal a very dangerous combination. Like it or, there should be more premium placed on Miami QB’s than almost any city. Not a judging Mallet who I don’t know enough about, but just saying.

by zeusmith on Mar 9, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Like it or, there should be more premium placed on maturity for Miami QB’s than almost any city.

by zeusmith on Mar 9, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's ok,

people speak Spanish in Miami anyway :D

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Bringing Mallett to South Beach could be the equivalent of giving a fat kid a smarty

Or a truckload full. Hopefully, Mallet’s cocaine ‘problem’ won’t be intensified when he runs into this:

And these:

In South Beach

by zeusmith on Mar 9, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

See the girl on the right?

I bet Mallet, at 50 yards could hit her right in the forehead!

i’m not kidding…..

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I could hit her on the forehead from several inches

:)

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by cordy_1971 on Mar 9, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

Well played. I was trying to think of something like this yesterday, but I failed XD

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks! Sometimes the comebacks are just right there...

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by cordy_1971 on Mar 11, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

sweedish swim team!

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by wild zion beaver on Mar 14, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless we can

Turn our oline into a brick wall the idea of getting a qb with hardly any ability to escape is a terrible idea, maybe if we can trade back take a stud lineman to give us a beast of a line and he’s available in the second then id be more than happy to have him but without a solid oline he will get killed and a qb is not very effective from his back.

by AcolyteofRa on Mar 9, 2011 12:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

If Ireland doesn't think he's a risk (maturity issues) then. I would consider him.

But the one thing i don’t like is ball placement issues.

He had little trouble putting the ball on the proper shoulder with velocity and zip.
and that’s with no defense. We already have ball placement issues with Henne. So that would be something to consider.

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by 54 on Mar 9, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Your taking that statement in the wrong context!

In other words I believe they meant: It was fairly easy for Mallett to put the ball on the proper shoulder with ZIP!!

by MassFinFan65 on Mar 9, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah dude,

you read that wrong. It’s meant like he had no trouble, not he had trouble.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol you guys are right. Thanks. But, Still its something to look at because it was an issue for him in games.

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by 54 on Mar 9, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

says who?

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011rmallett.php

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by 54 on Mar 9, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks....I love it and hope evety GM reads it.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Me.

Though he had a lot less trouble this year than last.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He is dropping like a rock and if he is there at 15.

We are at a point in our franchises history that we have to take the chance. If there was a free agent worth a shit I would say lets pass and do this and that but there is not. He will not be there in the middle of second, so even if we traded back and got a mid second he wont be there.

Its take the best position player available at 15, like Solder. I am high on that guy, and then take Dalton in the Third or you play Russian Roulette and put the gun to your head, draft Mallett and hope when you pull the trigger the chamber is empty of issues.

by Whippets2 on Mar 9, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

The last man standing . . .

I can’t say I don’t like the kid, he has shown MOST of the tangibles of a prototypical QB. One thing that I must say concerns me is his ability to avoid the pash rush or blitzes. From the couple of games I saw of him last year, it seem like he folded or panicked in those situations.

by Dolfan2006 on Mar 9, 2011 12:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The question isn't "should" we take a chance on Mallett.

The question is “when should” we take a chance on Mallett. I don’t think he is worth the fifteenth pick in the draft. There’s a good chance he is available in the late first or early second rounds. He is a bigger, stronger version of Henne with a little bit better pocket presence and accuracy. The batted balls aren’t going to be a problem, but other than that he’s not a tremendous upgrade.

With that being said, I wouldn’t be terribly disappointed to see the Dolphins pull the trigger at fifteen. If it weren’t for the batted balls, Henne might have had a much better season in 2010. Maybe someone with Mallett’s size could be the answer to the Dolphins’ problems!

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by vincemoss86 on Mar 9, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

If he's not picked at 15, he's gone at 16!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Serious character concerns

Make me think the Phins won’t touch him. Character is fairly important to this regime (countdown till someone throws BMarsh in my face, aka BryanKstro)

Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.

The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.

by dolphinfanatic717 on Mar 9, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

That has to be a record

Stephen Ross is to be seen, not heard.

The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.

by dolphinfanatic717 on Mar 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

one minute by my clock! lol

You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.

by CanT0o on Mar 9, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The "serious character concerns" are malarkey.

It’s one guy reporting what somebody told him, then every other reporter in America reporting that that guy reported what somebody told him.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, every 21 year old has to be a poster child adult.

(in the media’s eyes)

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by Tunaflipper on Mar 9, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sort of agree.

I mean, I think people that age ought to be pretty mature. They’re 21, not 12.

But of all the problems I’ve seen in Ryan Mallett, being a bad kid (as compared to every other BMOC football star in America) isn’t one of them.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

21? Mature?

You gotta be kidding me!
Try 30, at the earliest.

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by Tunaflipper on Mar 9, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Old man Tunaflipper

Keeping us young whipper snappers in line :D

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The Jets make up 12.5% of our schedule, there is no reason for them to take up more than 12.5% of our discussion.

by dolphinfanatic717 on Mar 10, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

where's my walker...?

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by Tunaflipper on Mar 10, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yout just a kid compared to some on this site (me).

2011 Super bowl or bust!!!
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.

by Dolfan88 on Mar 10, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Your (spelling FAIL)

2011 Super bowl or bust!!!
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.

by Dolfan88 on Mar 10, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That's okay.

We can still have our own club.

I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.

by Tunaflipper on Mar 11, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me.

Need a COC. (Cool Odies Club).

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by Dolfan88 on Mar 11, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Oldies (Damn I wish I could type!

2011 Super bowl or bust!!!
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by Dolfan88 on Mar 11, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think more like 24-25.

Once the novelty of getting drunk every weekend has worn off, but then it could be a lot longer for athletes who are always in the limelight.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

the media doesn’t check sources like they used to.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Incognito also worked out.

After seeing Sparano put Porter on the bench a couple times [while being discreet as to why] gives me the impression he is in charge of a ‘no nonsense’ work ethic.
Tony’s stock rises….

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Mallet would be a decent pick at mid 2nd rd

Anything earlier and we fugged up! Seriously, the guy throws great with no pads and pressure and now he is Marino?
I’d be much happier with Locker, Kaepernick or Ponder. The one thing Mallet has over any guy is his deep ball but how often does that factor, especially without a speedster WR

by mjams on Mar 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Thumbs up on Mallett

I really like Mallett and the more I see and read the more I like. It was reported during the combine that players were flocking to him(fun to be around and a leader) and that he was a good during LEAGUE interviews just not the public one (and who wouldn’t be annoyed if you get asked the same question 6 times in a row)

He is the son of a teacher and coach and played in a pro style offense and last time I checked that would make every scout drool over this kid. Another thing to point out is that watching his workout it seemed to me that he had a very slender frame and could use some time in the weight room … this could be a positive similar to that of Tom Brady (remember his 40 haha) or a negative as he simply doesn’t have the proper work ethic.

If the Dolphins could trade back and pick up an extra pick and still get him that would be amazing and if they simply just draft him at 15 that would be great as well.

by markus_13 on Mar 9, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

Mallett

I don’t think people should take the combine and pro day as a great example of Mallett. Even in college games, Mallett always had great technique and was very accurate. It is when Mallett is pressured is when his game collapsed. He was expected to blow the combine and pro day out of the water because neither of them replicate the concerns people had about him.

by Finhead83 on Mar 9, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with all of this.

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by 54 on Mar 9, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I do as well

he is a great player though

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I say draft him, why not ? we have hacked up alot of drafts so far one more wont kill us,

Matbe TS but not us. Plus he will be for sure better than Pat White!!!!! And for being moblie, you dont have to be to moblie if you build a good LINE!!!! Peyton Manning!!!!

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by 21Dave on Mar 9, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Got a BAD FEELING

Dolphins won’t draft Mallet, but trade down and play it safe again and finish another blah 8-8, 9-7….

They should have taken Earl Thomas last year, but always try outsmart themselves.
Just take the stud player where u draft.

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by SSFDballer on Mar 9, 2011 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

I wasn't happy that we passed on Earl,

but I gotta say that I am pretty excited about the Jones pickup. I think Reshad was a steal and is giong to be a great player.

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by joel311 on Mar 9, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree. One hell of a dog!

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

still so raw though.

He needs to improve in coverage and become a more disciplined tackler, especially in space and on the back end. Too often he looks for kill shots and doesnt break down which is becoming a persistant problem with young safeties coming into the league. All the talent is there though.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree he needs a little work,

but it is the talent that has me so amped about him!

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda agree, we do tend to over think and alwas try to find a steal, Draft the best man around, if he works out for the team

great trade the other person. ie New England!!

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by 21Dave on Mar 9, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

if we traded down

say to the partiots at 28 would he still be there?

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by danlr13 on Mar 9, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

No!

You can bet your ass Jacksonville #16, who have their eyes pasted on him, will grab him in a heartbeat.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Jacksonville may be a bit...

Hog-averse, after the Matt Jones experience.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

like the thoight of growing a pair and taking a chance, but is he really worth a 1st

 Are any of these QB really worth a first other than Gabbert, locker and possibly Newton (who has grown on me some). How did this class go from being one of the weakest in a long time to all of a sudden sounding like the 83 draft. I don’t get how htese kids have been talked into first round quality. I’m all for getting a QB, but not jumping just cause one of these guys could be the best available. I say we have to if possible trade down get the best OL( I knowit’s safe but it’s whats needed badly) and then get one of the next QB’s available in the second. Where theuy should be. THen go after your speed wr, TE and or rb in the next couple rounds and then OLine the rest of the way. Just my opion.

by D0lphins4Life on Mar 9, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

I don't get the "take a chance!" stuff.

This FO’s problem isn’t lack of taking chances. (Drafting Pat White in the 2nd round — that’s taking a chance.) The problem is taking the right chances. (See also, Pat White.)

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This^^^^^^

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

and more often than not

“taking a chance” ends up with a million people on here pissing and moaning that the fo is so stupid and how could they possibly take _______ (insert draft bust in 2 years’ name here)

Driving the draft Ryan Williams bandwagon

by danlr13 on Mar 10, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A little farther back, but the name that comes to mind is...

…Jeff George. Phenomenal arm; tremendous maturity issues. Does anyone know how he gets on with his teammates? That’s always a key indicator.

by Joel West on Mar 9, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

His teammates liked him, supposedly.

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by PotM on Mar 9, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

His teammates love him.

The comparisons to Leaf and George (or even Kerry Collins) are ridiculous. Mallett has his problems, but being an ass to his teammates isn’t one of them.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What???

I hope this is a joke. Come on people. Henne did not play well last year but none of the offense did. Did Henne play against the Bears? My point being that the O line needs help. Look at the rushing average..it went down about 35 yards a game right? So lets fix the O line. 2nd thing is we need to make sure we have some running backs. If we cant keep R and R we have to add threw free agent or the draft. 3rd..We have to add that WR that can hit it deep. We have two great WR in Bess and BM but we need speed.
I say give Henne at least the first 5 games with the new system that Daboll is going to bring and see how he does. He did show signs of being good….so lets give him so time under the new system.
 If we do get a new QB how will he be any better the the O line we have and no running game?

by Kevin13 on Mar 9, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

LOL @ Henne apologists

Henne sucked, get over it. He showed says of above average talent inconsistently, so what does that make him?

A consistent mediocre quarterback. Out of all positions, the quarterback is the most valuable and typically the individuals succeeding at the position due so very early in their careers. Henne had his chance and he failed, he seemingly lost the faith of everyone on offense. And let’s not forget the interceptions, the crucial interceptions.

Mallet or Locker, one of them is capable of turning this franchise around. The primary focus of this team should be centered on fixing one of the league’s worst offenses.

by Altersreality on Mar 9, 2011 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Mallett also tends to throw...

crucial interceptions. As for Locker, I just don’t see a franchise QB there, but I could be wrong.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

urbinos point is valid.

one of the biggest knocks on Mallet is his decision making at crucial times.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

"Henne sucked get over it"

Chad doesnt “suck” and Im not “over” it.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Henne is a back up NFL qb

Late in the 4th qtr 1 minute left and no timeouts down 2 pts.
Chad Henne is dumping the ball to the running back & throwing 5 yd square outs??
Cowardly or just doesn’t get it -- NEXT!

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by SSFDballer on Mar 10, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree.

His 2 minute drill is pathetic at best and it really doesn’t show any signs of confidence or ability to operate under pressure.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

As a general rule I agree with those points

but that is an over-simplification of a wide array of issues with Chad Hennes play on the field. I wrote a post about Chad where i briefly outlined some of my views. Again if you want to go indepth about Chad Hennes issues i will, but it is a large body of work and therefor deserves a long assesment, especially at that position.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 10, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think i dont understand where we are as a team with Chad?

I understand Chad Hennes shortcomings, I understand what his limitations have been, I understand what player Chad Henne is and what his persistant flaws are. Playing Quarterback in this league however is the hardest thing to do in Sports. Period. Now we can talk about Chad all day if you want. Bring up specific plays, games e.t.c and we can discuss this at length. Calling the man a coward though, or saying he sucks when he goes out there every week, works his ass off in practice, watches a tonne of film and plays as hard as he can on Sundays. And fans continue to heckle him and even worse our management spits in his face.

If you want to have a civilized discussion about Chad Henne lets do it. But calling him a coward is obviously going to irk me the wrong way.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 10, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Mallett could never be a Marino.

Hhmmmm. Marino’s stock slid because of drug slander, also. However, that rumor seemed plausable becase Dan’s stats fell in his senior year.

Marino in 81: Yds/ 2,876 TD’s/ 37
Marino in 82: Yds/ 2,432 TD’s 17

Mallett states last year in the Pro-Style offense: Yds/ 3,869 TD’s 32

Screw the Mock….It ain’t going to get any better that this! I would move up for this kid.

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by Flip-her on Mar 9, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

Yea I think Ryan Mallet is a great player

and if we make the decision to take him whether we move up or land him at 15 i understand the move and am fully behind it. However there are some obvious concerns.

First are the character issues. Now personally I dont know the man, i have never met him so to make judgements on his character is a hard thing to do. He could be an extremely hard worker (as Bobby Petrino claims), he could be a great leader in the huddle and a great guy. That could be the reality, however perception is the opposite, his leadership skills have been brought into question as well as his work ethic and shamelessly even his intelligence (which many people who I have alot of respect for have inexplicably tryed to attack).

Another thing that has been brought into question is his decision making especailly at crucial moments in games. As a whole I think Mallet deserves more credit for how well he disects defenses. He makes very quick assesments on defensive coverages and can adapt to sophisticated coverages, however at crucial moments in games especially when under pressure he has a history of making poor decisions throwing into coverages he otherwise wouldnt.

One other small critique I would make would be on his intermediate routes he sometimes will simply pull the ball high and away. I have a few thoughts on the reasons for this but they are only hunches, also this is something that with repetition and coaching will be corrected.

With those things said he is an amazing player. I think of all Quarterbacks in this draft he has the best arm by a fair margin, he can make all the throws and will make some flat out jaw dropping plays. One thing Id also like to talk about is his performance in the Sugar Bowl which I think has seen some unfair treatment. He didnt make a good decision at the end and he knew it as soon as he threw the ball, that play aside one needs to look at the whole body of work in that game. As a whole I thought he played a great game, he continued to make great throws and good reads all night and was consistantly victimized by missed blocks (including a play that made me pull my hair out where presnap Mallet identified the linebacker as a possible blitzer on the outside and Demarcus Love still never saw him) and countless dropped balls.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If character issues is first on your list...

you really have been done a disservice by the media, civ. The drug stuff, there’s just been no evidence of that in his college career. His teammates love him, and he does seem to be a hard worked. (“Extremely”? Not sure I’m prepared to go that far, at this point.)

That said, I do question his leadership at the NFL level. To me, that’s a slightly different thing than “character concerns,” though.

by urbino on Mar 9, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It is slightly different.

and I think i made sure that i pointed out how distorted things can become from the media. The media paints pictures which can become distorted and inaccurate. However those concerns to me remain the absolute most vital thing that teams needed to ask about and clear up at the combine interviews, which Im sure happened.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 9, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair assessment IMO

I am not for or against drafting Mallett. The only way I would be upset if we got Mallett is if Newton or Gabbert were for some reason still available.

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by joel311 on Mar 10, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Should almost have added a poll...

Not sure if he’s THE guy…but I wouldn’t be against giving him a shot…can’t be worse than a Pat White pick…

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by cordy_1971 on Mar 9, 2011 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

If the character issues check out and he proves he has the work ethic to be successful at the next level

then I don’t have an issue with drafting him.

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by The Earl on Mar 9, 2011 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

That's the question.

Is he going to be the guy that comes in at 6AM to watch film and stays late to workout to ensure that his performance on the field will be top of the line? Is he going to eschew the party life and totally dedicate himself to football? Because that’s what I want in my quarterback.

Here’s the thing. The size and the arm strength look nice and will excite some, but if he proves that he is more interested in snorting a line or smoking a joint than he is at studying film and learning all the tendancies of the defense he will be facing, then he’s going to be a lot closer to being Ryan Leaf than he is Drew Bledsoe.

by KB21 on Mar 9, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not worried about the drugs or partying part...

what concerns me most is he comes off as having this sense of entitlement; like he is owed something. That crap won’t make it in the NFL. After that, then the partying issue worries me, but who really knows about that crap. Let’s hope Ireland does his homework and makes the right decision.

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by The Earl on Mar 9, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This is one of the dumbest comments

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by Flip-her on Mar 10, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Umm yeah... whatever you say...

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by The Earl on Mar 10, 2011 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Totally agree!!!

… I really WANT Mallett in aqua, but if he doesn’t put in the work, film study, workouts, workouts to IMPROVE himself as a player, he’s going to be a big FLOP for whomever drafts him….He MUST commit himself 110% and put in all of what’s expected of him, then DOUBLE it!!!!

If he does, he’s probably the best pure passer in the game since Marino…..

by Csonka! on Mar 10, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said

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by The Earl on Mar 10, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Mallet

If he’s the next Dan Marino we SHOULD be interested!

by dolphinatic75 on Mar 9, 2011 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

You said
what concerns me most is he comes off as having this sense of entitlement; like he is owed

OK…I now know your an idiot!

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by Flip-her on Mar 10, 2011 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

Well it is really hard to tell

I mean the amount of insight we as fans get into the matter is distorted by the media but the perception is there. It is very important for teams to get a really good feel for where they stand with Mallet before they draft him. I think that is essentially what he was saying.

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by civwarbuff on Mar 10, 2011 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahh I see... You are one of THOSE guys...

Someone doesn’t agree with your opinion and your start calling them idiots or something else because of it. I’m sure you have plenty of inside information on Mallett that the rest of us “lowly” fans don’t have right? I mean other fans have their opinions on Mallett, but only yours matters because you have secret knowledge and clairvoyance to how Mallett will turn out… right?

In my opinion, Mallett seems like a player who feels entitled and spoiled. He seems like the kind of player who will get that big signing bonus, and then not work hard enough to be successful in the league. I’m not as concerned about the drug issues because I acknowledge that as a fan, I don’t have all the information regarding those things. They are concerns, but that is the kind of stuff that Ireland gets paid to discern and make decisions on. I trust that whatever decision Ireland makes regarding Mallett, he will have done the proper research to make the best decision.

That is my opinion on Mallett. If I am wrong, then so be it. But calling people idiots because they don’t agree with you is a great way to start getting ignored by most other blog members.

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by The Earl on Mar 10, 2011 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Two things

1. I don’t think Bobby Petrino ever pushed Ryan Mallett to be the best he’s capable of being, and that concerns me. I get the distinct sense that Ryan Mallett thinks everything will come natural to him., and he’s going to have to work his butt off in the NFL.

2. As far as numbers go, Bobby Petrino is known for having quarterbacks who produce big numbers. The thing is, his quarterbacks rarely do anything in the NFL. At Louisville, you can look at Dave Ragone, Stefen LeFors, and Brian Brohm. Now, Ryan Mallett is just another in the line.

by KB21 on Mar 10, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me explain Earl

My lower lumar and sciatica has, in the past 8 weeks been killin me.
My MRI has been FU twice…and me meds have changed from Vicodin to Morphine.

I explain this because I have respected most, and you are right. Name calling is juvinile but it seems apropriate when high, and you make an idiotic statement that he feels he is entitled.

What you said is "

I’m not worried about the drugs or partying part…

Therefore, you “imply” he is bad!
You claim he is “owed” something? You twist comments.

CWBuff is very clear, when countering your comments.

You’re Very clever….

When the morphine wears off… Ill paste you!

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by Flip-her on Mar 14, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I implied nothing

I made that statement because, as fans, we don’t really know the truth about those rumors. If they are true, then its a big problem. But if they turn out to be untrue, then its not a big deal. Its pretty simple. That’s why I said I’m not worried about the drugs or partying part. Because we as fans don’t really know how true those rumors are. Twisting comments? Sounds like exactly what you are doing. I have my opinions like you and everyone else here. They may be wrong and completely off base. But it doesn’t make me or anyone else an idiot.

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by The Earl on Mar 14, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And another thing
When the morphine wears off… Ill paste you!
And then I’ll be happy to duel.

Its apparent that you are just looking for confrontation. Well let me save you the trouble. There is nothing that you can say that I haven’t already heard or read about Mallett. And there is nothing you can say that will change my mind about him. So what else are you going to do? You going to write a bunch of stuff trying to show off or put me down or whatever? If that’s going to make you feel better then by all means, go ahead. I said absolutely nothing against you, yet you called me an idiot. I called you out for that and now you want to “paste me” for it. As far as I’m concerned, this is over. I’m not going to change my mind about Mallett unless I get some new information from a reputable source.

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by The Earl on Mar 14, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reaction toward your comment was uncalled for

as I have read many of your comments and you are far from an idiot. And of coarse, I meant any disagreement between us in a ‘verbal’ sense. Even though I felt your wording was accusatory regarding Mallett, again my words should have been chosen…less emotionally.
Your mild reproof was more than I deserved, really. No excuses…just a sincere apology.

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by Flip-her on Mar 15, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem sir

It was late that night when I made my original comment and probably should have used better words to make sense. I have no issue with Mallett’s alleged drug use, because its just rumors at this point. If they are true, then it becomes an issue. But if they aren’t true, then its like you alluded to with Marino. My biggest issue is his work ethic. I have read some things about him that suggest he has a bad work ethic. I don’t know how true that is, but that becomes a concern. However, if that’s not true at all, then he would be a great prospect to draft. So I apologize if my comments were misleading.

And I’m sorry to hear about your medical issues. I sincerely hope you are able to get well.

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by The Earl on Mar 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate it, Earl!

I haven’t read too much in the past two days, so I don’t know if this was mentioned. I did read an article [either bleacher or NFL] that, Pre-Combine, Mallett elected to and was working with a trainer on his lateral movement. Then the drug issue hit. His desire to work on his own, if true, appeared as a positive indicater regarding his work ethic.
Haven’t heard anymore about it, then again, a drug issue will receive more ‘hits’.

Regarding the ‘ice-pick’ in my butt for 8 wks now…1 more week before the MRI [today] can even be read. Jeeez. But thanks for asking.

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by Flip-her on Mar 15, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The drug thing...

Who cares about that??? I mean he will be to get all the pain killers he wants…so he will have to change his drug choice…no big deal……lol

by Kevin13 on Mar 14, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

No...Im waiting to be free.

And then I’ll be happy to duel.

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by Flip-her on Mar 14, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no fan of Mallett

but right now, the drugs issues are rumors. If true, then they are big issues. If not, then its irrelevant. And since, the drug issues are nothing more than rumors at this point, my biggest concern is work ethic.

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by The Earl on Mar 14, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

....than I am......

….and nobody that wants him in a Phin uni more than me, because I believe he’s going to be a superstar in the NFL….. Some excellent posts here with excellent points both pro and con on drafting RM…..On the pro side, the talent and potential is unquestionable, he’s got the entire package if you are looking for a pure drop-back qb…. The concerns are valid too….

But one must keep in mind he’s not a finished product ready to step out on sundays(pssst NONE of the qb’s or any other player in the draft for that matter are)…. He needs to WORK his ass off at the next level, he needs to study, he needs to practice, he needs to improve his technique, he needs to eliminate bad tendacies that nfl defenses will eat up, he needs to learn from his mistakes, which he WILL make, and improve himself as a player…IF he does all this and COMMITS himself, GAME OVER, the kid is the next GREAT SUPERSTAR qb in the NFL, If he doesn’t, he’s delivering my UPS packages, Christmas 2013….It’s boom or bust with Mallett…. I am SOOOOO READY to see my beloved Dolphins take a CHANCE on a qb with true potential of GREATNESS….

As for some of the concerns about drug use, work ethic, leadership, I think sticking to FACTS and away from rumors is the best anyone can do right now in the midst of all the pre-draft rumors and mis-information out there….

FACT – RM has never failed a drug test in his 2 years at UA and never heard of him failing one prior to UA…
FACT- RM has never been arrested for drugs
FACT- RM WAS arrested for public intox 2+ years ago while at UA
FACT – RM threw crucial INTs that ended the games vs Bama and again vs OSU in Sugar Bowl. He needs to learn and improve, as does EVERY qb….Marino threw MANY really bad ints and he probably has the dubios record of most ints returned for TDs..Regardless, RM needs to LEARN and IMPROVE from those two instances…
FACT- RM threw 62 tds and only 19 int’s while at UA(i’ll take that ratio anytime!)

An interesting article on Rivals.com describes how fellow players and coaches feel about RM’s work ethic, and leadership skills as well as his “character concerns” …Here’s a link to the article….

http://arkansas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1198065

by Csonka! on Mar 10, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

THIS^^^^^

I am totally on board with Csonka!

by MassFinFan65 on Mar 11, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont know about him.

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 10, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

And with the 15th pick in the 2011 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins select.....

Ryan Mallet, Quarterback Arkansas. This would be music to my ears. I would love for them to be able to trade back and still get Mallet but I’d be okay drafting him at 15. Someone that can see over the offensive line and deliver the football to playmakers. Of coarse, we need a couple more of those too but still.

by Rumple Pigskin1 on Mar 10, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Couple more what?

Offensive lineman or playmakers…?

by Finhead83 on Mar 11, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Both

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by PotM on Mar 11, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

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