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NFL Scouting Combine: Ingram's slow time no big deal; and other RB thoughts

The Miami Dolphins are in the running back market this offseason. We all know this. Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are both unrestricted free agents. Patrick Cobbs will either be a restricted or unrestricted free agent, depending on the terms of the new CBA (if a deal ever gets done). That leaves two exclusive rights free agents on the roster - Lex Hilliard and Kory Sheets - who combined have a total 24 career regular season carries.

With the potential brewing of a prolonged lockout, there's a very good chance that the NFL Draft will take place before free agency ever gets underway - if it does get underway at all this offseason. So the Dolphins will have to address the position in the draft. So let's discuss what, if anything, we learned about some of the prospects in the 2011 draft class at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

Mark Ingram's 40 time not ideal, but it doesn't matter

Most draft analysts this offseason are taking the way way out and simply connecting the dots. The Dolphins have a need at running back. A Heisman winning running back could be available at pick 15 in the first round. Hence the obvious - sending Ingram to the Dolphins in their mock drafts.

But the Dolphins want to upgrade their team speed and you have to figure the running back position is one of the spots where this will be addressed. And speed is not exactly Mark Ingram's forte. The Combine showed that, timing an official 4.62 in the 40 yard dash even after he admitted to dropping a few pounds in hopes of improving his time. It's worth noting, though, that many scouts claim the "official" times were off and that Ingram actually ran a 4.58. Either way, that's not an ideal time.

However, it doesn't need to be. Nobody expected Ingram to run a blazing 40 to begin with. His strength is not so much speed as it is strength, balance, vision, and (most importantly) initial burst. That initial burst was on display at the Combine. Scouts clocked Ingram at a 1.53 second 10 yard split - a very impressive time.

He lacks great top-end speed, but Ingram is every bit deserving of being the number one back on draft boards and a mid first round pick. The question is if taking any running back in the top half of round one is a good idea in terms of draft value. That's what GM Jeff Ireland must figure out.

Star-divide

The best of the rest

Here are some thoughts on others that make up the 2011 running back class:

  • Mikel Leshoure ran a 4.59 40, though some had him clocked as high as 4.54 - impressive for a 227 pound back. The Dolphins are rumored to be high on the Illinois back, too. But I was unimpressed with Leshoure's ability to change direction quickly. Mikel seems more like a straight-line runner.
  • Nebraska's Roy Helu Jr. surprised me with his "official" 4.42 40 - which may have been as high as 4.39 according to some. At 5'11, 220, Helu worked out well, looking agile and showing good burst. But when I see film, he doesn't seem as fast or agile. Not sure what to make of that.
  • One of my favorite "sleeper" backs is Kentucky's Derrick Locke. At 5'8, 188, he isn't built to carry the bulk of the running back duties. But he's got speed (4.40 officially, with some watches showing the high 4.3s) and doesn't seem to lose that speed when cutting. In other words, he can make people miss without shifting into a lower gear.
  • One guy who is, without a doubt, may favorite day two or three back is UCONN's Jordan Todman. Todman didn't disappoint me at the Combine, either. He clocked in "officially" at 4.40, and was possibly as fast as 4.37. He looked like the most athletic back in the drills, He showed good burst and an exceptional ability to change directions. At 5'9, 203, he's also got some bulk to him and should be able to hold up at the next level - something that worries me about Locke and other "shorter" backs.
  • Oklahoma State's Kendall Hunter continued his climb up draft boards. He was "officially" clocked at 4.53. But I have it on good authority that many had him closer to 4.40 than 4.50. The best thing about Hunter, though you wouldn't know it from the Combine, is his ability and willingness to step up in pass protection and knock a blitzing linebacker on his butt. This dude is tough - and is the kind of player I'd want on my team.

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too much emphasis is placed on times out of pads

Surely teh combine should record these times in full pads etc

by samalex on Mar 2, 2011 5:23 AM EST reply actions  

But that makes too much sense!

'Phins phor Liphe!

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by joel311 on Mar 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It should all be in pads and helmets...

… the military & paramilitary outfits don’t train for combat in underwear….

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

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by PotM on Mar 2, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw it earler pot still laughing!

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by wild zion beaver on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Drafting Ingram will set this team back.

Ingram’s value will be available in round 3, we need a franchise QB. They’ll be available in round 1 at our position. Not taking a a quarterback, regardless of it being an offensive or defensive player, will perpetuate the ineffective progress of the Dolphins.

Lets not forget, 24 out of the 32 starting QBs were drafted in the first and second round. Guess how many of the past 5 Superbowl winning QBs were drafted in the first round?

by Altersreality on Mar 2, 2011 7:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

And

Do Gabbert and Cam really qualify as franchise QBs?

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by MoLimits on Mar 2, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

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by joel311 on Mar 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Based on what?

Gabbert career has not been that impressive. Too many question marks. Cam could be great, or could JaMarcuss on us.

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by MoLimits on Mar 2, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Cam is not a drug addict.

Nor is he lazy. That is such a ridiculous comparison.

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by joel311 on Mar 3, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just Marino....

lol

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

the Just Us league

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by PotM on Mar 2, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that both are.

But I think Gabbert will end up being the better choice of the two.

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by Chupathingy on Mar 2, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Word from the combine was

Mallett has been working heavily on his footwork. That tells me something about ‘work ethic’ and dedication.
I think the drug[less] issue and his being labled a sissy-pants when the pocket starts breaking, has put the appropriate ‘chip’ on his shoulder to be an excellent choice.

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

PS

I’m not a twitter guy (not that there’s anything wrong with that), but I, for one would love to have seen the dialog you had dueling with Armondo!
Hope you reamed him, Matty.

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure all the QB prospects worked to look good at the combine

But the question is whether or not he’ll put in the work when he’s got that fat signing bonus in the bank, or as we should call it, the Haynesworth effect.

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by The Earl on Mar 2, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Both Mallet and Locker got potential to be franchise QBs

It has been proven time and time again, you can get value of RBs in the later rounds. Mark Ingram is not a once in a decade prospect worth spending the 15th pick on, he just isn’t.

If you don’t have a QB of the future then you draft one, period. And nowadays, it has to be within the first two rounds. Bennett is not the answer. Not matter how lenient you want to be with him Matty, he’s proven he’s not the answer. Lets get Mallet or Locker and starting heading in the right direction.

by Altersreality on Mar 2, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

come on Matty ....

You know they are ALL FRANCHISE QBs in MARCH …. and APRIL …. and why didn’t we get Matty Ice….why didn’t we draft Brady Quinn, etc … why couldn’t we have picked Aaron Rodgers instead of Ronnie Brown in 2005.. then we would have our franchise QB ….
     It is amazing how many FRANCHISE QBs there are in each and every draft…. and yet every team doesn’t seem to have one … how weird ….

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by Jason Scott_90 on Mar 2, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i really wish miami does this

Miami resigns Ronnie Brown to 1-2 year deal, drafts C Pouncey with 15th pick. Right now, no matter what RB comes to Miami, they will not thrive under this o-line. Since Miami isn’t expecting to re-sign Incognito, they should take a strong look at Pouncey.

by Dolphinsfan23 on Mar 2, 2011 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

What?! Not resign Richie?

What-the-hell? He’s still a fabulous guard..!

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

or C. He started at C in the Lions game and you know that Sparano probably had him learning that position

and getting the QB – C exchange for awhile before they let him start there.

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by PotM on Mar 2, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. I see.

.
Said the blind man…

To his deaf son…

As he picked up his hammer and saw.

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would he talk to his 'deaf' son"

Unless…..Is this a new season of Dexter?

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw takes on a whole different meaning in Dexter.

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 2, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

*getting the exchange right

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by PotM on Mar 2, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did you see the no-sign' for Riche?

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Just no to Pouncey.

15 is way too high to pick him, he is at best a very late 1st round pick, more likely a 2nd rounder. He is way too overhyped by how well his brother played, that people are ignoring the fact that he is nowhere near as good as his brother at either C or at G.

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by Chupathingy on Mar 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Matty what about a qb at 15?

You know im a firm believer in knowing what makes an offense and thats a smart qb, i see everyone saying we will take mark ingram, i think that we get our feature back in the 3rd round, now with that said, my opinion take the best qb available at 15, or if we can trade down in the first and get our 2nd round pick back, this is what i would do, 1st round take the best o-lineman, 2nd round take qb christian ponder out of florida state, and 3rd round take rb ryan williams, im a firm beleiever in all the picks, i have watched ponder and williams for several years, ponder is as good as any of these qbs coming out when her wants to be, and being a vtech fan i have watch williams and he is just a beast.

by finfreak1981 on Mar 2, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

problem being

Ryan williams wont be around in the 3rd

Driving the draft Ryan Williams bandwagon

by danlr13 on Mar 2, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops

meant to change the title to “My draft opinion”

by finfreak1981 on Mar 2, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

This offseason

is the worst ever! I hope they lockout! Greedy owners and players dont give a crap about the people who ultimately pay the salaries! At least we wont have a losing season if there is no season!

by ADRIELSDAD on Mar 2, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

Get out of here.

'Phins phor Liphe!

Draft The Newtron Bomb!

by joel311 on Mar 2, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless Julio Jones somehow falls to us, I see us trading down.

We need upgrades in the interior O-line,) and QB. I see a lot of late 1st and 2nd rd QB talent. The problem ALL of the QB’s have is they aren’t ready to start in the NFL, IMO.
Personally, I still believe Locker is the most talented but there are 5 qb’s that could all be decent.

by mjams on Mar 2, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

If we want speed we need to pray for jones.

I agree if we can get him we need to trade down and get another beast back or qb. I hope Hankerson is available in the third round because he is alot faster than i figured and he has great hands. Or we could just pick up defensive players which doesnt seem out-there for a dolphins draft lol

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by GoNuckingFuts on Mar 2, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Fall to 15? He won't fall past 5.

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Please Not Ingram!

There is no RB worth drafting in the 1st round beside Ingram, so let’s trade down or get a QB with that pick. We pick a QB in FA like McNabb or Palmer, keep Ronnie and Ricky, we have the D in place already. We are just a couple pieces short of being a playoff team. Lets face it if u don’t have that franchise QB, were just gonna be some mediocre team floating around the .500 mark.

by Redeyedbandit on Mar 2, 2011 9:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Please Not Ingram!

There is no RB worth drafting in the 1st round beside Ingram, so let’s trade down or get a QB with that pick. We pick a QB in FA like McNabb or Palmer, keep Ronnie and Ricky, we have the D in place already. We are just a couple pieces short of being a playoff team. Lets face it if u don’t have that franchise QB, were just gonna be some mediocre team floating around the .500 mark.

by Redeyedbandit on Mar 2, 2011 9:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

HHHEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Weecho85 on Mar 2, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

?Tienes un problema?

LOL!

Corta pelo, viejo…. lol

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Weecho85 on Mar 2, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

clearly spell what you are taking!

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He's saying "hello" to us all...

LOL!

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"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He's sayin 'Ron'

but I wan’t to say it like that! lol

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Reply fail... or answering yourself fail?!

LOL!

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez...you know I'm a 'repy fail guy.

answering you, of coarse….or..am I talking to myself? No…I don’t think you are.
Well just be more mindful of the button you push in the future.
Who are you telling to be mindful…

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

LLLOOOLLL!!!

Well played.

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Roy Helu JR?

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by Weecho85 on Mar 2, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew it started with an R....lol

no you didn’t. Shut up!

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Hello Newman.

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 4, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Need that QB at 15.

Gabbert and Newton will be gone and thats not all bad. With Ponder’s stock rising and Kaepernick both there at fifteen we should grab one and dont look back. Forget Mallet, Forget Ingram.

If we drop down in the first round theres a possibility that Ponder and Kaepernick will still be there. If we get a second round pick and take Pouncey or Leshoure I’d be happy.

But I see five QBs going before we get to pick in the second IF we trade late into the second round. Stanzi will be available but I just dont think he’s any good.

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by CanT0o on Mar 2, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Those guys are solid second round prospects

why would we take them at 15 when we could trade down and get them later?

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by Gamer2102 on Mar 2, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Because if we trade down, we'll have a late second round pick, not a high second round pick

And Ponder, Mallett, Locker, and Kaepernick will not be there in the late second round. So we’ll have missed out on a top QB prospect in TWO rounds and we’ll be talking ourselves into the Stanzi or Dalton era… SMH!

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by The Earl on Mar 2, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe

he means trade our 15 for a 30thish pick and that team’s 2nd round pick. Then we’d have a late 2nd rounder as you mention but also a last first…

by JerseyGuy77 on Mar 3, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We would have a later first round pick

but we can’t wait to take a QB in the second because most of the better prospects will be gone by then and we’ll be stuck with lower rated guys who we really don’t need to draft.

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by The Earl on Mar 4, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Mallett Matty - that's who will be available at #15

Look, I know there are “red flags” around Mallett – and I think I could eveluate him myself if i had time to interview him and ask questions…. I don’t think its that freakin hard – but this front office just won’t take chances…. thus the selection of Long over Ryan… sure we had a need at both places – but franchise QB vs franchise LT ? Just showed their FEAR. Mallett is not a sure thing – and I would try to trade down a few slots and get him – but trading down is going to be very difficult this year. We can get a good RB later in the draft and resign Ronnie (or RW) for one more year Mallett has all the tools to be successful – he is HUGE in the pocket 6’6" and a half – (few batted balls people) has a great arm and is pretty accurate… did you see him throw at the combine ??? That’s why I dont like CAM by the way…If Mallett passes drug tests & you canfeel like he WANTS to play PRO football – (desire to improve) then you take him. He will be at least a little better than FLACCO – and that’s good enough to win a title.
this front office will NEVER get us a QB in rd#1 because they are protecting their own asses and not looking out for the good of the team…They need to WIN now – and thay won’t happen if we play a rookie QB (not 10 games)…so get ready for more “safe” slow draft picks…. I will beleive that we are getting SPEED when I freakin SEE IT – not one second before. thanks for NOTHING PARCELLS…YOU made us AVERAGE – that’s all.

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by 62Lou on Mar 2, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

That's why everyone skipped on Marino

and look at what a loser he turned out to be.

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Mallet = Leaf

No question about the physical tools but the attitude, commitment and drug allegations are a red flag to me.

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by CanT0o on Mar 2, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

You say "drugs" like it's a bad thing......

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

O shit!

That’s a whopper…. LOL!!

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol,

damn!

'Phins phor Liphe!

Draft The Newtron Bomb!

by joel311 on Mar 3, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

So Charlie has a Mallett on his back?

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by Flip-her on Mar 3, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Some where back there...

.
… where’s Kdog?

He knows about putting things behind him… LOL!

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"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Mar 3, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Mallet's kids are weeping over his exploded corpse?

#Winning.

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 4, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

my preference

first, resign Ronnie and Richie. Richie starts at C from day one.

second, unless Julio Jones or one of the top Qb’s falls to 15, trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder. hopefully we can stay in the 1st, but we may have to go with a 2nd and a 3rd. if we have a first, take BPA outside of DL or CB. 2nd round should go to one of the 2nd tier QBs Ponder, Locker, or Kaepernick. draft Derrick Locke with the 3rd round pick as a change of pace and KR.

give Henne a chance to prove himself early on and if he sucks, then get the rookie QB playing time and prepare for next season. Ponder may be the only other QB other than Gabbert that could come in and have success right away. his health is the real question though.

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by small balls on Mar 2, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

I like Hunter, Locke and Todman

I think we can snag one of these guys in rounds 2-5 and be happy

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by BSerious72 on Mar 2, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

Todman

Round 3 and an impressive back with a electric skill set plus good combine times PLUS two solid seasons actually playing football on a field.

by soflotommo9 on Mar 2, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Jordan Todman

is a beast. UConn, represent. I would love to bring him here.

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by Dave.Phuller on Mar 2, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

can i get a hell yeah??

he carried UCONN this year to the fiesta bowl damnit! that’s a lot of weight on those shoulders.

by mtclifford on Mar 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Get a bigger wagon... LOL

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by The Earl on Mar 3, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

... it's gonna start to stink in that wagon....

(Someone will fart)

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by Alpha6 on Mar 3, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

lol well played

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by joel311 on Mar 3, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly

If miami were to draft a qb, i would rather them trade down and get a 2nd round pickwhere they draft Ponder. Then in the 3rd round they draft ryan williams or jordan todman. I am not totally sold on Ingram, i mean there are good backs out there besides him and then miami can resign ronnie brown for 1-2 years. In the later rounds, miami focuses on the interior line. In the 5th round, watch out for this name (Ahmad Black) from Florida and I think he is a better SS than CLemons and Jones.

by Dolphinsfan23 on Mar 2, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

No to a second round QB

We had the Pat Whites and the John Becks, we really don’t need a 3rd fail at a 2nd rounder for our QB. Either take the chance and go after Gabbert, Mallet or Newton or accept the fact we’re in for another miserable season. The Draft isn’t going to get us into the Playoffs, a franchise QB will, The last 6 Teams in the Playoffs ALL had a franchise QB. Daboll and Henne do not inspire any confidence. That said, Daboll and Henne with Newton breathing down Henne’s neck will at least give us something to look forward to.

by Mark_J on Mar 2, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Allow me...

No, to Locke… he will fold into the fetal position upon getting tackled.

No, to Hunter… he’s a project like Hilliard.

Yes, to “you say” Helu… he’s got the more physical stature and athleticism to be the real deal.

Maybe, to Leshoure… he’s got the tangibles, but is more of a low 1st, high 2nd rounder.

Maybe, to Toddman… His 5’ 9" stature seems a bit questionable. May not last the pounding.

Yes, to Ingram… though he’s small, he makes up for it in power, burst and shiftiness. Combine him with Brown and the team will be beastly in the running game.

Lineman can be had in later rounds.

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

too slow

If the fins need to improve their team speed drafting Ingram is not the way to do it. It’s painfully obvious that the fins have to upgrade at QB. That mean they have to spend their 1st round pick to get a OB. They could go for a running back in the 2nd round.

by straighttalk on Mar 2, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

If they had a second round pick....

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by Alpha6 on Mar 2, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO Todman will be available at our #4.

With 38 reps and a 10’ 6 vert…what a great pic that would be!
So:
Mallett @ 15

Marcus Cannon for G [at the #2 we are going to get.]

Rob Housler for our big TE at #3.

and Lockette down below for WR/KR

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

We don't have a 2nd rounder unless we trade down.

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by PotM on Mar 2, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe there are other ways.

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by Flip-her on Mar 2, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Da!

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by Flip-her on Mar 3, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Duh?

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by Alpha6 on Mar 3, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see Todman coming to us in the 4th round...

and I’d grab him.

But First needs first: Ponder, Kaepernick or Julio at 15..in that order of preference.
Pouncey or Leshoure if we get a second rounder. Best TE available, round three.
Todman in 4 if we dont get Leshoure.

If we dont pick up a QB in the first round or early second round it’ll be wait til next year
and we’re pretty sure to be in the running for the Luck lottery.

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by CanT0o on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Todman is not going to last until the 4th round

He might get taken in the lower part of the second round. I like Todman a lot. If we trade down and get a late first + 2nd pick, I wouldnt mind Todman at all late in the second. He’s a little small, but is excellent at running behind his blockers and is pretty tough. He’s not like Darren Sproles or anything the man can take a hit and is wiry strong. He took on a huge workload in college.

by zeusmith on Mar 2, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

A late 1st round pick (Pouncey, Kaepernick, Carimi etc ?)

+ Todman in the second would be WAYYYYYY better than just taking Ingram at #15. I mean, it’s not even close in my mind. Todman might very well have a better career than Ingram

by zeusmith on Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be jumping for joy if we can get.

Derrick Locke. Even though he’s small he understands leverages and could block to. And like Matty said he can shift direction without slowing down. He has serious game speed with ankle breaking moves and soft hands. He Will be a dangerous play maker on the outside that will make ESPN highlights. I want Locke. Keep Ronnie and draft Locke.

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by 54 on Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

If our running back line up looks like Todman, Locke, Sheets, and Hillard I’ll be a happy dude.

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by 54 on Mar 2, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ponder

What about trading down to recoup a second and if Ingram is still there take him first, ponder in the second, and lineman/receivers in the third and beyond.

by miamimike71 on Mar 2, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ponder's climbing

He may be one of the first three QBs taken. I’m sure someone will spring for Newton and Gabbert but I’d just about bet that Ponder doesnt make it into the second round.

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by CanT0o on Mar 2, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

His 10yd Split Wasn't Just Impressive...

…it was supposedly the fastest posted by any Rb in the last 2 or 3 years. What that tells you is that his initial burst is quick and he hits the hole in a hurry.

This kid is the real deal…barring injuries of course.

I’ve been onboard with this pick for weeks now. Get him.

by dab415217 on Mar 2, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

The 10 speeks wonders

but there are 20 other enormously potential picks.
Do we just ignore our /what appears at this time/ greatest need?

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by Flip-her on Mar 3, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless you spell it Colin K. Pernick

..then it’s three.

But I’m still on the Kaepernick/Ponder bandwagon….at 15 if need be.

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by CanT0o on Mar 3, 2011 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Kipper Snacks?

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by Alpha6 on Mar 3, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao

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by Flip-her on Mar 3, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Matty's right. Ingram's 40 time is a red herring.

As much as we’re fixated on “we have to get faster” that doesn’t mean we should draw a line through a guy who promises to be an elite NFL running back.

Mark Ingram plays football fast and he plays it hard. Football is played in traffic with pads and people moving all over the place…the 40 is as unlike football as target shooting is like Afghanistan. Ingram’s attributes set him apart on the football field.

Mark Ingram will move the chains, he will score TDs and he will make the O-Line better just by being on the field. Our O-Line was beat to rat ##@# last year…it’s a better unit than it gets credit for.

What’s more Ingram will put butts in seats…he’s an every-down back who can run, catch and block…on top of that he’s tough as nails. He’ll generate lots of excitement and give Sparano exactly the type of back he’s always wanted…a guy who will play like Emmitt Smith.

None of the QBs in this draft are Matt Ryan (sure things) or even Sam Bradford. If we draft a QB he will sit regardless…this team needs to draft a player in the first round they can put on the field. Ingram is that kind of a player. The only other offensive tallent that could have his level of impact are the two WRs and theyr will both be gone by 15.

Very intetresting article in today’s Toronto Star about the myth of the 40-yeard dash.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/football/nfl/article/946369—the-false-economy-of-speed

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by PhrozenPhish on Mar 3, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

His weak showing in the bench press...

worries me a bit. A guy as big as he is, you expect strength to be a, well, strength.

by urbino on Mar 3, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Good article.

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by joel311 on Mar 4, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, you left out telling us what his weakness is!

You really expect us to look stuff up?

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by Flip-her on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Damn...reply Fail!

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by Flip-her on Mar 3, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

LMAO

"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice

by Alpha6 on Mar 3, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

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