State of the Miami Dolphins Roster: Safeties
This post is the final part of a series of posts that will break down and evaluate the Miami Dolphins position by position. If you haven't read up on how players are being classified (the number and letter that follow each player's name), you can read this post explaining the evaluation system. You can also read the previous posts in this series by clicking here.
It's time to conclude our position by position break down of the Dolphins roster by looking at how the team currently stands at safety. It's an interesting situation right now because of the relative youth and potential upside that the Dolphins have back there.
So let's get to the evaluations below. Then next week, we will put a bow on this and (hopefully) summarize everything we may or may not have learned about hos this roster has been shaped and what needs to be done next.
Yeremiah Bell (2-B). It's hard not to like this guy. He battled and battled to finally get his shot at starting in 2006. Then he suffered a season-ending injury in the first game of the '07 season, which was supposed to be his first full season as a starter. Since then, Bell has been one of the key cogs of this Miami defense. He isn't a particularly talented guy in coverage. His strength, though, is his ability to be the eighth man in the box and help stuff the run. And he's among the best strong safeties in the league at doing so. But how much longer until age catches up to him?
Chris Clemons (3-D). Clemons rose from 2009 fifth round pick to starting free safety in a matter of a year. He has good speed and can get sideline to sideline in a hurry. But he's not as instinctive as you'd like, preventing him from getting his hands on a lot of passes. He was also slowed b a groin injury for much of the second half of the season. He'll likely face competition to retain his starting job. But the kid seems to have some upside to him.
Reshad Jones (3-D). This is the guy who represents the "competition" for Clemons. This 2010 fifth round pick was slow to make it on the field as he learned how to play in a 3-4 defense. But in his limited action, including two starts, Jones proved he has some play-making ability. His performance against the Titans (a sack and a game-sealing interception) leads me to believe there might be something to Jones that we should be excited about.
Tyrone Culver (3-E). This veteran is one of my favorite role players on this team. He comes on the field in dime packages most often and, for what it's worth, is rarely out of position. Is he a dynamic play-maker? No. But he knows his role and performs it well. He's also an outstanding special teams guy.
Jonathon Amaya (3-D). This undrafted rookie out of Nevada intrigues me. I don't really know what he is or might be. What I do know is that I want to see more of the kid. From what I've heard, he has a little bit of that "it" factor you hear about in the defensive backfield. What I can tell you for sure, though, is that he's an outstanding special teams player who led the Dolphins with 15 special teams tackles despite playing in only nine games.
Contract situations: There really aren't any contract situations to monitor this offseason. Tyrone Culver will be a free agent after the 2011 season. Jonathon Amaya, meanwhile, will be an exclusive rights free agent next offseason - meaning he'll be here in Miami if the Dolphins want him.
Outlook: If you're looking for any kind of impact addition to this unit, I wouldn't expect it. Instead, look for an interesting camp battle between Chris Clemons and Reshad Jones for the starting free safety job. But also keep in the back of your mind the idea that Jones could be Yeremiah Bell's eventual replacement at strong safety - whenever that time may be. It's worth noting that Bell's salary is $3.7 million in 2011 and jumps to $4.3 million in 2012. Does that mean anything? Probably not right now. But if Bell under-performs in 2011, his roster spot could be in danger.
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last year at this time we were all worried about the FS position
how the times have changed lol
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How can one not be excited about our secondary?
This unit is only going to get better and better. I really enjoy Bell. He is gritty, tough, and plays hard. He was enjoyable to watch during his underrated time as a Saint. I feel he has a few more very productive years left as a SS in the NFL.
Just a sugestion, we (miami dolphins) need to stick "davis" back there with bell & let the tandom do there thing!
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 16, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
nice avatar
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Ha ha funny, really it's Populus, a European White Poplar
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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Poplar!
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bell a Saint?
WTF are you talking about? Bell was drafted by Miami in the 6th round back in 03 if memory serves correct, and has only played here……I think you have him confused with Sammy Knight? Sammy was the only ex-Saint Safety that I can think of that has played for the phinz in the past decade.
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wow...
Didn’t even see that…
I brag that we drafted him to friends..
Ur memory is on point my friend!
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by dolfan702 on Mar 16, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ha
I guess I am just a vault of useless knowledge! ; )
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cheak's fer hidden pockets anyone!
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 16, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A pocket beaver!!!!
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You know you want to touch that hynie, it kinda remind's me of "my pillow case" filled with towles (walking in the other direction)!
I didn’t think that you could put that “blow-up doll” in your pocket!
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 17, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah I am not confusing him Sammy Knight.
Just remember incorrectly. You can always bet on people on this site straightening you out when your memory is not right. Got that one wrong…thanks for the clarification.
wow
Why do people think V.Davis is a safety? He’s not quit with that shit…he’s a solid corner..and loves that position, this ain’t madden so stop
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by dolfan702 on Mar 16, 2011 10:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thank you.
I can’t stand when people try and move someone who is already great at their position, like Davis and Misi. It is mind boggling.
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yeah
Misi is solid also..he’s always strong side line backer..and when they run his way its over..I doubt people watch the game and actually understand it and pay attention..the only time I seen someone run on us is when it was going wakes side or when misi wasn’t on the field..hard to run his way
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by dolfan702 on Mar 16, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Davis is a wrecking machine it was stated earler that jenning's wipe his but with davis, so i went back & looked. Sure enuff he was schooled!
maybe he played that day with injury, but it was the second week wtf no reports?
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 16, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
ok
Greg jennings will school just about anyone across from him..especially if your still learning like davis..I like to see him get beat and learn..rather than get beat and fail every game after..I’m sure he learned from it..he’s a good player
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by dolfan702 on Mar 16, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Misi is in fact solid,BUT...
If we grab a guy like Aldon smith or a pass rush specialist in the third fourth rounds,we would do good to stick Misi in the middle,where his skill set could be everything CC is supposed to do. It would help in our tight end coverage,not to mention help in keeping runningbacks from being able to gut wrench us up the middle.
Also it would allow us to free up our safeties to help in coverage,an area we seem to be missing once teams move to 3-4 reciever sets. Or has been evident by allowing for huge plays by the Tight End.
Honestly,if we have ANY hopes of beating New England this season,it has to be with our ability to limit the play of their tight ends.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Misi is in fact solid,BUT...
If we grab a guy like Aldon smith or a pass rush specialist in the third fourth rounds,we would do good to stick Misi in the middle,where his skill set could be everything CC is supposed to do. It would help in our tight end coverage,not to mention help in keeping runningbacks from being able to gut wrench us up the middle.
Also it would allow us to free up our safeties to help in coverage,an area we seem to be missing once teams move to 3-4 reciever sets. Or has been evident by allowing for huge plays by the Tight End.
Honestly,if we have ANY hopes of beating New England this season,it has to be with our ability to limit the play of their tight ends.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 17, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is like a migrane...[or a herniated disk]
it just doesn’t go away.
Instead of moving Misi…..think replacing the Inside with someone from FA.
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True that, doesn't make too much sense
Moving Davis to Safety. He’s coming to his own, it’s his third season. He ain’t an elite CB yet, and this should be the season he makes the jump to that level.
He’s a bit aggressive, but I would rather have a CB like him, then a CB like Jason Allen who just looked plain foolish.
Still can’t forget that play against the Jets week 3. That easy TD they got cost us the game.
by Redeyedbandit on Mar 17, 2011 3:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
JA was also coming a long way in his development and we should have kept him.
He was the only playmaker we had at the time.
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I agree.
He tied for 6th in the league in interceptions this year.
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If he could just not get burned as often, he'd be great, bt alas he's on the texans.
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If nothing else, we'll miss his play on special teams.
I think Allen will do fine with Houston.
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I was very strange thing
he finally knows what position he’ll play….does a VG job…then is sent packing?
A great team needs 4 vg corners!
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He did okay, he got beat WAY too often, but was finally showing promise.
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No way
My friend is a die hard Raven fan and made me watch the Texans-Ravens game.
There was one play where I think housh caught the ball and literally juked JA out of his shoes. TD.
All that was left was the age old image of JA throwing his hands up in anger cause he knows he just did it again. Good riddance.
JA was finally showing promise.
Housh Played a lot of slot in The steelers Ravens game, so I will guess that JA was in the slot, he just can’t play that position. I don’t know why, but it is just a mental block with this guy, but that can be fixed with proper coaching.
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i cant wait
To see him this season!
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by dolfan702 on Mar 16, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Am I the only one who is excited about Reshad Jones?
I’m currently more excited about him than anyone else on the squad, except maybe Marshall and Dansby.
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wow...
I can honestly say I love R.Jones..I’ve been braging about him since draft day..its hard to brag if people don’t know him..but they will soon enough young jedi..lol can’t wait too see him plead the scene
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by dolfan702 on Mar 16, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As soon as we drafted him,
I checked out some stuff on him on the interwebz, and I was very impressed. I was looking forward to him getting some playing time and then he had that game with a sack and an INT on back to back plays and I was sold. I hope he gets a LOT more playing time this year!
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I was excited then Miami was rumored to be interested in him
Everything that I saw pre-draft made me excited…..and then BAM; miami trades up in the 5th to snag him. I was ecstatic!
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by IMadeThisNameAfterWeDraftedReshadJones on Mar 16, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll say it again...
he was one bulldog that lived up to the name!
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The FS position needs to be addressed. Whether it is Jones or someone else, there needs to be improved play at that position.
FS, it can be argued, is the 2nd most important position on defense. Clemons was a below average player there last year. For the defense to improve, the FS position has to be an impact player.
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Clemons was fine. He had a dam good year as a first year starter. What was he, a 5th round pick? He showed he could handle playing FS. He just needs to work on pulling in those int’s. Don’t expect pro bowl performances immediately from projects. Which is what he is.
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He was fine? Since when was fine a suitable evaluation?
Here is a simple exercise. Rank the starting players on defense from 1-11 with 1 being the best player on defense and 11 being the worst. Where does Clemons fall in this ranking? I would be hard pressed to put him any higher than 10.
If you can’t improve the play of the worst or 2nd worst player on a unit, what’s the point? Especially since that position, FS, is an important impact position.
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i agree with ct
first time in a while lol
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 16, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Except I'd rank Clemons somewhere around 9.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
which 2 are worse?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 16, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Crowder and Allen
I also wasn’t particularly high on Bell’s 2010 season either.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Will Allen didn't start last year.
He said rank the defensive starters. But even if Will Allen was put into the equation, when healthy, I’d rank him over Clemons. Now if you’re talking about Jason Allen, he’s not even with the team anymore so why even bring him up. But I’d even rank him over Clemons.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
I don't think WA is the same corner he used to be after two major leg injuries when he past his peak.
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Two major leg injuries?
When exactly was the second? The injury that kept him out for the season last year was the same injury he sustained in ’09.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
So he reinjured it. Great, that is WAY more promising
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"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
He didn't re-injure it.
He tried coming back before he was fully recovered. He’ll have had a full year to recover this time, and will be at 100%. He’s only 33, and it’s the only injury he’s had in his entire career. I’d still rank him over Clemons.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
It shouldn't take two years to come back from an ACL
but I’ve been out for two years on a rotator cuff. (didn’t have surgery untill it was a year and a half later because my doctors didn’t want to do surgery.)
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It doesn't take two years.
But it can if you don’t let it properly heal after you injure it. Will Allen wasn’t at 100% when he came to camp. Trying to go full speed (to get his starting spot back) hampered his recovery and caused a relapse. He’s now had the whole season and offseason to rehab and recover.
I used to think I had a drinking problem.
So I stopped thinking.
Jason Allen was the one I was referring to.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
it was his first year
whyy waste a pick on another safety, we have so many other holes to fill. clemons would of had like 5 interceptions if he could catch, looking back on the year atleast 4 were gift wraped interceptions and if he could catch he would of had up to 8 int’s. remeber the cincinaty game where he causgh it fumbled with it and the ball then flew into T.O. hands. clemons was fine last year i think he could be great this year.
by Bobby Schonger on Mar 16, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
totally disagree
clemmons might’ve been the best upside surprise on our defense last year. in fact if he improves half as much this year, he’ll be a great safety with a long career in front of him.
where’s the love for the dreaded one?
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by 54 on Mar 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You also have to realize that 1-5 go to our line and our linebakers with Misi at around the 8th spot in his rookie season
In my opinion ranking from first to worst doesn’t count for much when you have to compete with the likes of: Wake,Starks,Langford,Solai,Davis,Smith,Bell,
Dansby,Misi….
That is 9 solid starters on defense,with Crowder being the odd man out,the fact that he ranks higher than a starter with that much tenure is a testament to the fact that overall our D is solid,and if anything we should be more worried about replacing CC than a first year full time starter.
Also if you ask me,there was some points where Clemmons graded higher than even Bell,who is on the decline,and a bit in the beginning where he graded higher than Smith.
Dude,you’re scale is a little tainted by the fact that we have even some backups that could start on most teams. Though I won’t lie,for a bit,after I saw the video when Hartline was drafted,I was tempted to get a glimpse of him switching to D,with that hit he put on that runningback that left him limping off the field. All I could say was WOW….
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Safeties
I’m more concerned about Bell over the next few years than I am Clemons. I’m afraid Bell is just just slow to be as effective as he can be as a SS. He’s a great leader and a great communicator in the secondary, but I do think his lack of speed and athletic ability can hurt Miami at times in the passing game. I think we’ll eventually have Clemons manning the FS while Jones swaps to SS in the next year or two.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
For now I believe you're wrong
Clemens is climbing…but Bell is very much on top! Jones is iceing….for now. His play will dictate our future.
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I almost totally agree on
your assesment of Yeremiah. I love having Bell as you pointed out he is a smart player a great teacher, leader and communicator. I think for the most part I love him. He diagnoses plays very quickly and attacks the football. He is also a great open field tackler. However in coverage at times his age will show up. I agree that Chris Clemons played very well this season as a whole and Im really pleased with his devolpment. That tandem overall was pretty solid this year. However Reshad Jones still has alot of concerns to me.
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by civwarbuff on Mar 17, 2011 8:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't want a SS that struggles in man and deep zones teaching my FS, though.
I Bell has good trade value, it might be time to sell high before he starts deteriorating.
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I disagree
Yeremiah had a few plays last year I wish he executed better than he did but he is easily one of the most valuable pieces on our defense. I credit alot of Chris Clemons devolopment to Bell, If you watch Clemons tendencies you can see things and play diagnosis he learned from him. I used a play from The Bears game as an example too Strange a few days ago. We have been really lucky to have him and to trade him now is too cavalier for me.
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Bell struggles in man and shouldn't be in deep zone due to a lack of athleticism.
We sometimes do put him deep because he is very clever and won’t get beat by most, but fast guys will get by him pretty easily. He was supposed to be over the top when Jennings put the double move on Davis, but couldn’t help. Bell is also not a great jumper as highlighted by the Keller TD. He will do much better if he is asked to cover a hook zone, flat or blitz.
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"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
As for that play Im going to cut through
it a few more times and fully ascertain what I see. As for Bell though, as a whole we are lucky to have him.
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No dount, he just has his limits.
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R J concerns you? Why?
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Discipline mostly
he is very athletic but struggles mightily in coverage. I understand he is young and raw and a long offseason will potentially be huge for him but as of know I dont have much faith in him. I thought he struggled in coverage from both a technique standpoint and struggled tackling in space and on the back end. He needs to break down his tackles and maintain discipline rather than look for kill shots. i also noticed a tendency to overpursue in both his run fit lanes and on pass patterns which isnt a major concern and should be fixed with time and experience. He played like a rookie this season which is what to expect of a late rounder with fundamentals concerns coming out of school. He is a great athlete however.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
He didn't have fundamental concerns he had speed concerns.
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I don't think so, I think they are more athletic problems.
The almost INT off of Moss was PERFECT positioning. The only thing he could do on that play to make it better was to drag both feet and get the INT. When Hester blew by Jones, Jones turned his hips at the exact moment Hester cut into the post pattern he was running. Hester just flat out ran much faster than Jones. I think that Jones typically has good position, but sometimes has problems because he is not athletic enough to play a traditional FS, even though he has the fundamentals down.
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"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Thats one reason my response to him was lol. There are more.
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by 54 on Mar 16, 2011 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also we drafted CLemons as a project and to already be getting dividends off that project after on year is great.
Clemons will need to go for the ball a little more, but at least he wasn’t getting beat like the gerbil.
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But isn't this scale subjective?
I get your point, but I mean if all 9 players above #10 were pro-bowl….
Just remember he was in his first year, learning a new system. Which means he probably cannot get a fast ‘heads-up’, just before the snap…from other DB’s, [ as is done when the whole team is on the same page] as everyone is still learning.
Personally, what I see is a player inserted into a new position…without much outside help, who made minimal mistakes. IMO…that says allot!
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I was wondering why we didn't go after O. J.
I did a fanpost on on it questioning if maybe this regime was satisfied with the production they got out of Clemons and Jones. He didn’t sign a contract out of our range. It was basically what we offered him last year. Washington sign him to a 5 year 26 million dollar contract. 12 million guaranteed. Maybe he lost a step. I like both Clemons and Jones. I think they both have upsides. They are the future at safety. This regime has put together a pretty good secondary. Drafting such players as Davis,Smith,Clemons,Jones and Carrol. And adding though trades and free agency Allen,Sapp,Ness and Ayama.
by NawlinsPhinFan on Mar 16, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the same contract we offered him last year,
But that was also before re signing Bess,and franchising Solai….
We also have limited cap “if there is going to even be a cap next year” to sign 2 runningbacks,not including Hilliard “a restricted rights free agent”,find a second QB,and bring speed to our WR core,not to mention sign the rooks after we draft them…
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 16, 2011 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The glove didn't fit!
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Jones needs to be a starter.
Kid has a lot of talent. I’m glad they gave him a good amount of snaps last year.
With a year’s experience in this defense and some live game experience I think he’s read to take over for either Clemons or Yerimiah.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 16, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
If jones is better than clemons he should play. I not ready to say that yet. For all I know that tennessee game was a fluke. But it could be a sign to come. I would like to trade Bell while he has some value.
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I personaly think its this year.
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Bell and Chowder
I’d trade Bell and Chowder in a package. Maybe even Starks if we sign Tony Mac back we have serious depth at DE. If Merling and Odrick are back from injury. How about trading back and drafting Phil Taylor with the first pick and the best QB on board with the 2nd rounder we get in the trade. Taylor would be insurance if we had problems signing Soliai.
by NawlinsPhinFan on Mar 17, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No one wants a second rd. qb. & are willing, i suposse to "boycott the season" if mesures are not made !
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 17, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
How are you going to take at 15
The only thing that will be left as far as QB’s go at pick 15 will be second rounders. So I guess you say get your QB next year and pick BPA.
by NawlinsPhinFan on Mar 17, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well a papper bag, if we pick a QB. If not the smartist center, theres this Olineman that will fit the bill in hafe the time, Err dosent need much teaching!
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 19, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think with his skill set,Reshad should remain a FS
Bells eventual replacement should in fact be Clemmons,he’s solid against the run,and basically plays the role of 5th linebacker out of the Safety position.
I look and look at both of these guys,and that’s the best fit,though I see a tiny bit of Polamalu if Reshad makes the transition to SS.
I really like the idea of Reshad and Amaya taking snaps out of the FS position,and Clemmons sharing snaps,and eventually moving over full time at SS. That would give us not only the youngest secondary group,but IMO,one of the best complete units looking into the future.
Imagine,Vontae and Smith as our starters,with RJ,and Clemmons starting out of the Safety position. I’m drooling already….
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
also note that Carrol would eventually take over at Nickel Corner
With Ness as our 4th corner,my God I didn’t realize how deep we actually became in our secondary.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 16, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I was trying to say
It appears many fans feel 2-3 good corners are ‘deep’. If so…they don’t understand the dime or nickle. [scratchin my head]
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i would rather keep clemons where he is
clemons has good range which was shown, i think reshad has tthe abilty to be that huge hitter at ss. im sure she coaches will make the right decision
by Bobby Schonger on Mar 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I would do. Jones can be a dominating ss.
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by 54 on Mar 16, 2011 1:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care where they put Jones,
so long as he is on the field at all times!
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This^^^^^^
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Clemons is the big hitter he has created timely FFs at the end of games.
Clemons and Jones have weird skillsets for their body sizes. Clemons is very fast and is smaller, that means he is a FS, but he carrys a hammers and had a little trouble getting two hands on the ball last year. Jones is bigger and slower and projects more to the SS, but is a ball hawk and a solid tackler.
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well-said
i really think jones needs to come in and play free safety. it’s true that he is a great tackler, but clemons is too; i don’t think clemons is a downgrade from jones, if we’re talking strong safety. what clemons isn’t is good at getting his hands on the ball, or bringing it down when he does, and you’re just signing on to limit your takeaways if you put a guy with no hands at free safety. jones finds ways to get to the ball and has no problem reeling it in.
by IMadeThisNameAfterWeDraftedReshadJones on Mar 17, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Mr. P is a playmaking SS and Clark is a hard hitting FS.
Works perfectly for the Steelers. I think Jones is too slow to keep up with the faster guys in the league and that is why we should put him at SS and have him patrol the middle of the field and pick off short to medium passes.
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actually, I think that Nolan may be able to use all 3 at once
it is kind of a hybrid package where there will be three safeties and less one ILB. An over 3 is what we used to call it. Basically, run support is still there (if you have good run stuffing safeties like we do) and they can cover TE’s better than the ILB’s can (Dansby being the exception here). Wonder if he will bust it out this year or not.
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if yall havent seen this reshad jones video
watch it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R1Ryqw3k5Y&playnext=1&list=PL0C51B1EDF2EE3264
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 16, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
wow
hadn’t seen that before – sick video.
Reshad Fan
Gawd….that hit where he flipped the ball carrier upside down and made him fumble was wicked!
I think Ronnie Lot is still available....
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I heard
that guy is missing a finger or something.
hehe
-lol the cop yells something like "guttenhiemerschnitzel!!" and the dog hears "kill the guy with the hat on!!"
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You know he got that, right?
He was playing in a crucial game, got hurt, broke his pinky finger.
Went to the sidelines to get fixed. Staff said you’re done, we can’t fix it here, so you can’t go back in the game.
He said, cut it off.
So they did.
Wrapped it, and back in the game he went.
Tough guy or stupid?
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Wtf? Is that true? He’s both if true.
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by 54 on Mar 16, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He then was kicked in the nuts...
it hurt real bad.. and.he said “cut it off”….
and they did!
However, he was talking about the other guys foot!
It was an hour before they realized what he meant.
Sad, really!
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... he's only half the man he used to be...
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Clemons needs to improve his ball skills.
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""It only ends once. Everything that comes before is just progress"
I thought that was a given from about 4th grade?
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He's not talkin about your social abilities
remember…according to ct
you were a weird child! I see this,
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... are you windows closed at night?
lmao
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Why...should I leave them open?
I may be weirder than you.
Naaa.
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It will be fun to watch
Jones and Clemons will be fun to watch who starts this year….It is great to have 2 plyers like this. They both know what is going on..and I am sure they will do all they can to win that starting job. 2 young players that have alot of talent pushing each other to get better. What else could we ask for as Dolphin fans?? They both have talent and it will be a hell of a time watching to see who wins…….
You gotta give Clemons this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=608OdNXpiE8
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He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Lol. That’s what he thought about Moss saying no to miami.
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by 54 on Mar 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what he does.
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"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Smith has trouble tackling a lot of times....
-Pulse of the Maggots P.o.t.M. The "pm striker king"- WZB
"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Culver and Amaya are outstanding special teamers?
Is it legit to say we even have 1 outstanding special teams player (not counting kickers and snapper), given how god-awful our special teams are? I mean, I guess they’re outstanding in the limited sense that they stand out from the rest of our special teams, but, man, that’s cutting it pretty thin.
Agree about the safety position, though.
There has been a major upgrade in terms of gunners over last year.
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