The Friday Five: Dolphins interested in Matt Hasselbeck?
by Matty I on Mar 11, 2011 5:00 AM EST
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Last Friday's CBA deadline was referred to by many as the possible beginning of NFL Armageddon. That potentially ugly situation got put off for a week thanks to an agree upon extension. But now we sit here again on the precipice of NFL labor disaster.
But let's begin this week's "five" with some actual football talk - not labor negotiations.
1. Are the Dolphins interested in the veteran Seahawks signal caller? That's the hot rumor right now. Adam Wright, who is known on Twitter as "Seahawks Talk," tweeted this week that the Dolphins are one of the teams that are considering quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, who will be a free agent this offseason (if free agency ever begins).
"I'm also being told that the Dolphins and the Vikings are interested in acquiring QB Matt Hasselbeck," tweets Wright.
Of course, the obvious question here is who the hell Adam Wright is and how he would be privy to this kind of information. Beyond that, though, you have to wonder if this kind of signing would make sense for the Dolphins if this rumor was indeed based on some truth.
Hasselbeck will be 36 in September and coming off of his worst career season, having completed only 59% of his passes while throwing 12 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. It's worth noting, though, that Hasselbeck wasn't exactly playing with a skilled supporting cast.
If nothing else, signing Hasselbeck to a short-term contract could buy this regime time to groom a new, younger quarterback - maybe even a first round draft pick. Either way, I could definitely get behind the idea of signing Hasselbeck and spending a high draft pick (even if it isn't necessarily a top 15 pick) on a rookie quarterback.
2. We might be headed to NFL labor hell. That's the feeling this morning after a seemingly contentious day of negotiation/mediation yesterday that spilled over in public through the media last night. Just when it all started to seem as though the two sides were working towards an actual agreement, Thursday was clearly a day of setbacks - or so it seems.
It's worth keeping in mind that it's beneficial for both sides to make it seem like negotiations are falling apart heading into the final day before the CBA expiration. That's part of negotiating. However, painting a negative picture heading into Friday could backfire if neither side actually caves. And right now, I don't know if either side will be willing to blink first. We all know that both the owners and the players stand to lose a lot if a deal isn't struck. But you can't underestimate the egos of the people involved - which is why I suddenly have a very bad feeling about how this will turn out.
3. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is the second richest owner in the NFL. According to Forbes annual list of the world's richest people, Ross is worth $3.4 billion. And still, in the event of an extended lockout - perpetrated by the owners, keep in mind - the Dolphins could choose to cut the salaries of their coaches. There's actually language in their contracts for this very situation. How much each coach could see their salary cut is entirely up to GM Jeff Ireland on an individual basis. But this is just more proof that the NFL owners have been preparing for a lockout for quite a long time now.
4. Anyone got any ideas on how to spend Sundays in the fall if there's no football? Better start preparing now.
5. So Pat White has now failed at two professional sports since his days at West Virginia. After failing in the NFL, he failed to report to spring training for the Royals, ending (for now) his MLB career. But don't feel bad for him, people. We're talking about a guy that pocketed over $2.5 million from the Dolphins. Many people won't even make that amount of money in their entire lifetime.
Anyone got any career advice for the now unemployed former pro athlete?
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Call Me Crazy
I would rather have McNabb instead of Hasselback for grooming a rookie, dont ask me why just a gut feeling. There is so much BS swirling around aka misinformation im not going to bite and i dont think Fins will either.
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The Guys on NFL Network were leaning towards McNabb...
I don’t have a clip or link, but I was watching the guys on NFL Network the other day, and a couple of them thought McNabb to Miami was an option. Not sure if he’d be successful, but if I had a choice between the two, I’d lean towards McNabb. Perhaps he could recapture the McNabb to TO vibe with BM.
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I'll take McNabb, especially if Cam Newton somehow falls to us at 15.
I’d rather have McNabb grooming Newton, Locker, Gabbert, or Kaepernick than Hassleback because of the similarities in he has with these althletic QB’s.
by JP 23 on Mar 11, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
McNabb, Hasselbeck or Palmer. All Stop Gap QB's
But so what! They are upgrades over the QB’s we had in the past (Frerotte, Culpepper,Feely, Lemon, etc.) They’ll keep the position warm while mentoring the QB we draft (IF we draft one). All 3 have been to the playoffs, and they aren’t over the hill yet, at least I don’t think so.
And Newton won’t be there at 15, and I seriously doubt we’ll trade up for him. We rarely trade up, and all of a sudden we are gonna trade up for a QB who had 1 good year?
by Redeyedbandit on Mar 11, 2011 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
McNabb was instrumental in Vick's development as a pocket passer.
That’s probably where your gut feeling stems from.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
on Nfl.com
check out Vic Carucci’s open letter to Vince Young. It is scathing stuff.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
i mean it is essentially
all stuff we all know everything about, it just seems kind of out of line. Lazy reporting whilst trying to get your name more publicity.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Yeah,
I don’t see any reason for that. Vince Young must have lost him money in a fantasy football league or something because I see no other reason to attack a player like that. Ridiculous.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
Agreed.
Totally out of line. But honestly what has Vic Caruicci ever said that made you stop and think? Nothing. I have always found him to be a very lazy reporter with nothing insight to say. Compare him to Matty for example who is always posing questions, debates, is all over news and has sound as well as insightful opinions. He is also fairly funny. i dont always agree with him, but he is a good repoter.
Vic Caruicci, bad reporter.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
"with nothing insight to say"
appearently you paid more attention in american history, than you did in english 101…lol
im not as think as you drunk i am occifer.....
by frostyphinfan on Mar 12, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'll check it out.
I pretty much read NFL.com and ESPN every day once The Phinsider slows down
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
as for Hasselback and McNabb
Id love to have either one. I dont think Chad Henne is going to be our Quarterback in the future. This management just continues to spit on him and undermine his role on the team whilst attempting to distance themselves from him. If that is the case we as a team have a very difficult decision to make.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
I'd prefer McNabb
just because our team is going to need help in developing a rookie, but I wouldn’t be too upset with Hasselbeck. He will probably stay healthy enough to let the rookie sit for half the season :P
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
your on drugs surely civ..
They both SUCK.. past their primes (which wasn’t all that great to begin with..). No chance I want either of these 2 loosers on the Phins roster..
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Zman
by Pianomanzz on Mar 11, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Both of them have been to the Super Bowl,
and McNabb has been to 4 NFC Championships. To say their primes collectively “wasn’t all that great to begin with” is just plain wrong.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
wait a minute... How many Rings????
ZERO, ZIP, NADA, THE BIG DOUGHNUT, SQUAT, ZILCH, get the picture?? They are just better Loosers than the rest… lol!
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Zman
Unfortunately, YES.. Much as I love him!
Born in Miami, I bleed Aqua & Orange! I'm now stuck in CT, smack in between the "Jests" & "Patsies". I stand alone on PhinPhan Island, the lone sunny spot in an otherwise cold & dreary New England. (HELP, I'm surrounded by liberals!!) and it's cold..... too damn cold.....
Zman
HOF QB, YES of Course! but...
SuperBowl loser, unfortunately.. yes as well.. Hey, at least he wasn’t Jim Kelly!
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Zman
the difference between Marino and McNabb
is huge…Marino did it all with a one dimensional team. Great passing game, not so good running game, and a terrible defense. McNabb had all of the right elements around him while in Philly…No comparison really.. Hasselback is terrible too. Took too many blows to the head..he is done!
by Phinphinatic on Mar 11, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agree
We better not go after McNabb or Hasselback, two has-beens that were never really stellar to begin with…
by Mark_J on Mar 11, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not so good running game?
compared to who…No running game…The greats Duper and Clayton helping out by averaging 6 Marino drops a game…and a feces defense…We will come closer to winning with Defense and Run game than air it out with a slightly below average QB…That said I think we should try and trade down and see what QB we want in late 1st or 2nd, 3rd. then if that doesnt seem to be what we want we could always bet the farm on Luck next year…Either way I been a fan for 42 years and these last few have been killing me…Must kill Belicheat and Flabby rex…I am really OK with anybody but trading up 4 a QB or Ingram…I am getting kinda sick every draft day going WTF Ted Hands of Stone Ginn at 9…GO Fins
True That Man. Dumb To Trade Up
I’m with you 100% on your post brother! We trade down, get that 2nd round pick from the Marshall deal and get the best available QB on the board to compete with Henne. I’m not high on Newton or any of the QB’s in the draft this year. Trading up to draft Newton or Draft Ingram? Please No!
by Redeyedbandit on Mar 11, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lets look at winners and losers
Trent Dilfer or Dan Marino…so who’s gonna be your QB?
I dont use SBs as a criteria for greatness.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
by CanT0o on Mar 11, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
should read ^
“I dont necessarily use SBs as a criteria for greatness”
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
What are you smoking Pianomanzz?
Maybe your fingers are blistered and preventing you from making good music. I will take getting to the SB over sitting at home in Janaury anyday. BTW, Marino is the GOAT.
Damn the sheriff, Bring on MARSHALL LAW
by fin4three5yrs on Mar 11, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
let's be perfectly clear
The fact that Dan Marino never won a ring does not diminish his legacy: it diminishes the importance of the super bowl.
Best quarterback ever.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 11, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
You got my point
..it was made for the benefit of Pianomanzz. Just because someone like Dilfer won a SB does not make him a great or even good QB. The SB that Dan never won does not matter. He was still one of the best ever.
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
Only 1 "o"
The word is spelled “losers”, not “loosers”.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 12, 2011 5:21 AM EST up reply actions
Spell check Nazi!
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I'm a jack boot thug, too.
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
But you only wear those... um... well... you know
At a Village People party… lol
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Link, please
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you crazy...lol
no seriously, Mcnabb is terrible. Has anyone looked into bring Sage back to Miami…I mean, hell, if we are just loking at mediocre qbs that can sling it…Sage is our man. He may throw 3 ints a game, but he will also throw for 300 yards and 2 tds. I like the cut of his jib…Peace…
by Phinphinatic on Mar 11, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
You'd seriously take Sage over McNabb?
Where is there any backing to this logic?
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I like Hasselback as a potential pickup, but not
McNaab. Hasselback did more with less.
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I'm a huge Hasselbeck fan
But at this point in their respective careers, I’d rather take McNabb.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Hasselbeck = Henne
I dont understand the attraction here. If we’re to draft a QB anyway, why not keep Henne for another year, see what effect QBoll has on him while we’re grooming the rook.
As far as the labor negotiations go, I guess a little guy like me has trouble understanding the owners’ greed. Given the relatively short careers in a sport where injuries are commonplace, you’d think that the owners would be willing to compromise more readily. The trickle down from work stoppage is not improving an already poor economy. The fans dont buy NFL gear with the owners’ names on the jerseys and they dont pack stadiums to watch owners play.
Looks like Saturdays I’ll be wearing my Gator gear and watching Charlie Weis spark Florida’s offense. Does anyone realize the Dolphins had a realistic shot at landing Weis for the OC job before UF snatched him up? Go Gators!
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
Hasselbeck is a good option
He’s very experienced, the guy has been deep into the playoffs, and played in a Superbowl. He has smarts – coached up by Holmgren, he’s an emotional and vocal leader (remember the classic"we’ll take the ball and we’ll score in his layoff game vs the Pack!) . They’re all qualities Henne needs to work on. His stats have been bad the last year as he’s been running for his life with no-one much to throw to!
On the flip side, he’s been injured a bit, but not to the extent Pennington has, and if we can build a line to keep him upright, he’d be just fine.
Maybe they’ll look to match the vet to the prospect – eg McNabb would be a great mentor for the more mobile Cam Newton, Hasselbeck for pocket passer Mallett, or to bring Henne on McNabb may want more lucre too!
All this said – I can only see this happening if the regime is through with Henne, and I’m not sure that’s an obvious call, Henne may still have it.
Anyone got any thoughts on trade value for Henne if we do go in another direction – could we get a nice early 3rd for him?
Well i think that we need to make strides on the offensive line
this is obvious. We have glaring holes at both Gaurd positions and that is barring Richie Incognito moves to Center and stays healthy, and that Vernon looses weight and vigorously works this offseason on his fundamentals (which have been deteriorating) as well as his vision and speed.
However, as vital as these things are, Chad Hennes problems are not soley based on pressure. Chads inconsistancies are in a wide array of areas many that appear at seemingly random times. For example, on one play in our second Bills game at home in the forth quarter, Chad drops back and looks to his left toward Brandon Marshall who is the primary receiver. The Bills on the play drop the DE (I couldnt see the number) into a short zone, Chad recognizes that the comeback is in serious jeopardy, he moves through his progression to Ricky underneath and the finally to Davone on an out-route. literally adjusting his entire body stance all three times moving all the way across the field to Bess. Meanwhile inside John Jerry gets badly out of position on his block inside (puts his eyes down UGHH!!!!) and Kyle Williams easily gets by him and bears down on Henne. Chad Henne stands in takes the hit, throws the pass to Bess with great ball placement on the sideline for a first down on third down. That was a great play by Henne, he executed the play call, threw a great pass under pressure and accurately judged the coverage identifiying the man on man on Bess (his at least thrid receiver in the progression probably the forth after Fasano who moved off the screen.)
Yet on another play, he will have great protection, stare down his designated, not set his feet and ultimatly throw a poor ball with bad placement into coverage (ala his second interception in the Browns game)
All I am saying is that Chad Hennes problems are not all pressured related, sometimes the pressure seems an adequate excuse but not always. I agree with you that I have alot of faith in Chad Henne. I want him to be our franchise Quarterback so badly, the guy works his ass off, But he needs to play at a far more consistant level. Unlike many I think Chad Henne up to the last game of the year showed improvement (before a miserable outing in New England) Week after week he was making less and less mistakes. However this management simply does not feel that way.
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by civwarbuff on Mar 11, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Friday hell
What annoys me in this dispute is that there is so much `lee way` for both sides to give and take that a `win win` outcome should be easy.
Lets write off the rookie salary cap thats sorted.
18 match season- ok why not go for a 17 match season for three seasons and see if it does result in increased injuries etc and reevaluate again then.
Monies- ok so they are what $1 BILLION apart? Why not agree on a sliding scale , an xtra $200 million for the owners each year for the next 5 years…..get there in the end and the players do`nt lose out so much.
Post career help for every $200 million the owners each year they give 10 % back to the retired players fund…….!
by Christopher Weetman on Mar 11, 2011 7:08 AM EST reply actions
The owners agreed to "two" byes.
One ‘Post’ Pre-game….the other before the 1st regular season game????
The owners screwed around….thinking they had leverage. They don’t….and it’s “times up”!
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Always plenty of football(soccer) to watch on a sunday.
We don’t like it because it’s bad!
Soccer...
Like watching paint dry. Gimme football American style in large doses. For the sake of humanity as we know it and in particular my own sanity, please dont cancel the pro football season. I can see myself now being coerced into Autumn weekends at some bed & breakfast listening to my wife say ‘Now isnt this fun? No TV, no football. Happy happy!’
You may laugh but the same kinda shit will happen to you guys also…
You cant direct the wind but you sure can adjust the sails!
Be yourself. Everyone else seems to be taken anyhow.
Studies have shown that 23% of all institutionalized mental patients
are capable of living normal lives in a productive society.
The other 77% are Jets fans.
ROFL
Bro I like soccer really but trust me its no where near Football however I agree with you on the wife part….. I think if there is no season my wife is gonna throw one hell of a party…. TRUST ME….. She´ll be the happiest female alive…. LOL
It's already happening to me. But I got the solution.
Humbly agree to the B&B as long as it’s out in the woods. Get there & have that romantic evening (you can tough it out, trust me). Get up quietly before sun up, go out side and roll around in the leaves & dirt, naked. As the sun rises, noisily reenter the house (make sure the wife is up, of course).
This should pretty much guarantee the end of B&B’s.
Then you can go watch the soccer game.
I will agree to disagree with you - as long as you understand that I'm right.
by Tunaflipper on Mar 11, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Id rather sign Bulger than Hasselbeck.
Get this CBA done already!
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 11, 2011 8:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Pat White - On the next edition of Dancing with the Stars
Seeing as they are lacking stars these days….he could probably sign up for and quit for that too!
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Hasselbeck? Ar you Kidding me?
GOD I hope not..! If the FO really is condering him as an option, we might as well change our team name to the Miami ‘Cubs’ or ‘Indians’… because we’ll have a snowballs chance in … well… Miami… of getting to the Superbowl with him(or any of the also rans available in free agency) at the helm of our offense.
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Zman
We aren't getting Hasselbeck
He is just another “acorn”. I believe we are getting him like I believe we are serious about trading up to get Newton
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Hasselbeck wouldn't be a bad stopgap
if they decided to go that route while they groomed a rookie, but if they were going to do that I think that I would probably either prefer McNabb or Palmer to Hasselbeck. Now, don’t get me wrong, I do like Hasselbeck as a QB, he’s just had the bad misfortune of being on a mostly talent bereft team for his career. The reason I would rather have McNabb or Palmer over him (assuming this is the method the FO is going to go with) is because Hasselbeck has suffered a lot more injuries than the other two. All 3 of them have plenty of experience, but Hasselbeck has been beaten up a lot more.
I think this is just another pre-draft smokescreen, but for the sake of conversation in the post, this would be my opinions on the matter.
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I think people are taking the 3 year plan too seriously
Four seasons ago,we were 1 and 15,and the current roster suggests perhaps we had 3 perhaps 4 players to build upon with Solai,Carey,Allen and Bell. In the 3 years since this regime took over we’ve added the following:
Davis,Smith,Wake,Dansby,Long,Starks,Langford,
Bess,Incognito,Fasano,McDaniels,Hartline,
Clemons,Misi,Carrol,Jones,Jerry,Henne,and several others that either provide either sufficient starting material or depth.
Ill admit,a lot were blinded by the fact the front office put the 3 year timeline,but a long hard look will tell you that this team is a lot better than the 1-15 team this regime took over,and with solid coaching,is better than the record shows.
3 seasons ago,this team had played its softest schedule,and posted an 11 and 5 record,since then we played 2 of the strongest schedules in the NFL,and still only managed to post a mildly put mediocre record of 14-18,quite a few of those losses by a small margin,to teams that have been elite for years led by the likes of Manning,Brees,Brady,Ryan,and a slew of other top 10 QB led teams.
A few pieces shy of being elite,a couple more scoring options,some fresh legs at the runningback position,speed at the WR position,and a couple of cogs in our offensive line,as well as youth at a position like SS,and a middle lb to pair with Dansby sounds like a lot,but if you look at the bigger picture,its a hell of a lot less than what this FO had to manage say even 2 years ago.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 11, 2011 10:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The Phins are so starved for good QB play as a franchise that they have to consider bringing in Hasselbeck
The talent on this team isn’t bad at all. Quality play at QB gets this team, as currently constructed, into the playoffs IMO. Hasselbeck can provide that quality play for 1 or 2 years. But for long term success, the Phins have to find a young, franchise QB. And that young, franchise QB isn’t named Henne.
If the Phins were to ask my opinion I would tell them to start completely over at the QB position. I wouldn’t bring Henne back, he is borderline toxic. I would draft a QB at #15 (or higher) and bring in a veteran like Hasselbeck. I would start the veteran (Hasselbeck) and as long as I am in the playoff hunt, the veteran would start. As soon as the Phins are out of the playoff hunt, play the rookie.
The Phins can win right now. If they can get speed at the WR opposite Marshall and quality QB play, they are right there.
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I agree with your strategy except for cutting Henne
he’s still better than Hasslebeck by almost any metric. Let Henne start, Hasslebeck backs up, and if the playoffs get out of reach, start the rookie.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 11, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Henne can start. His first bad pass, his first INT, he is going to get booed by home fans.
Evertime he checks down, throws a pass away, misses an open receiver, he is going to get roasted by the fans. It was happening at the end of last year and I think it will only get worse this year, especially if he has another bad preseason.
I really don’t think Henne can be saved in Miami. He might be a decent QB but not here. Plus, if you are Sparano, Ireland, and Deboll are you hooking your wagon to the success of Chad Henne? I wouldn’t if I wanted to keep my job.
If Henne starts game one of the ’11 season, it is because he is the last resort, not because he is the first option.
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by ct1361 on Mar 11, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wow, pretty strong words
I don’t believe it’s that cut and dry at all. Henne is going to get a chance to start, in camp at least. And he will have an advantage over any newcomers simply by being exposed to the new system now (even more so if they lose OTAs due to the labor strife). It’s more than likely that Henne will be the starter going into the season, unless some rookie really lights it up in camp.
As for the fans—we all know how fickle the home crowd is. Remember when they wanted Henne’s big arm even though CP10 was a winner? If he starts throwing TDs they will get behind him, and if the team is winning he will be forgiven the occasional errant pass. if they’re not winning…well, he won’t be starting for long then.
I don’t at all expect the regime to hook their wagon to Henne. I expect them to draft somone to take his place. But I also recognize that, no matter who that is, they might not (and probably should not) start right away.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 11, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I was one of the guys who wanted Henne to start over CP10 last year.
I have seen enough. But regardless, the coaching staff, front office, and ownership has to take into account the feelings of the fans. If the fans don’t support a player it is irresponsible to keep playing him because then you lose support.
I saw this happen in Chicago with Rex Grossman. Grossman was the best QB on the Bears and gave them the best chance of winning. But toward the end he couldn’t do anything right. Even passes thrown out of bounds intentionally to avoid a sack were getting booed by the fans. You can’t have that as an organization. And this is with a QB that led a team to the Super Bowl.
I think Henne is too that point with Miami fans. It isn’t right but that doesn’t mean it isn’t reality.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Not in Chicago. Trust me Orton was brutal in Chicago most of his career.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Orton was not helped by an underachieving receiving corps.
The amount of drops was just mind boggling.
I watched Orton quite a bit while he was in Chicago since I went to Buffalo Wild Wings with a Bears fan every Sunday. I always felt Bears fans gave him a bad rap and couldn’t recognize his talent, as people still do.
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I live in the Chicago area. I got to see most if not all of the Bear games.
Orton was the back-up to Grossman for a reason. Grossman simply outplayed him. I felt they both kind of got screwed in Chicago. Neither had dependable WR’s and because of Lovie Smith’s don’t put the defense in a bad position philosophy, neither really had a chance to make a play.
I am not that high on Orton or Grossman anymore. I don’t think either are anything more than back-up QB’s in the league. But both are better than Henne! =)
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
After the way Oron lit it up in Denver
(but then, who doesn’t light it up in McDaniels system?) I might agree that he’s better than Henne…but Rex Grossman? Ouch, you must have a a really low opinion of the guy, lol.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 11, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Think of it this way,for now,Henne is our starter.
And tbh,its not so cut and dry as “Henne sucks”.
Henning was given A LOT to work with,and honestly I do believe he was afforded the same opportunities last year to bolster the offensive side of the ball,almost as much as the D coordinator was opportuned to bolster the Defense,it shows with the aqquisition of Incognito,Marshall,Jerry,the swap from our Oline starters into more QB friendly pass protection. He failed,thus he’s out of a job.
A lot of things can be justly said about Henne,but fact remains he was never afforded an opportunity to play on his strengths,and people miss a lot by their blind hatred and need to find a scapegoat. It happened with Ginn,then Allen,and now its his turn to foot the blame I guess.
I saw a different QB after his knee injury,towards the end of the season he looked like he had a fire to prove something,one he’s carrying into the offseason by being the first one to meet with Daboll. I saw an immobile QB trying to make a play on a battered knee,with several injuries to the NFLs version of the secret service,his offensive line,almost no help from his runningbacks,he was attempting to make plays away from his skill set.
Until we have our Marino of this generation,I think we need to see what this kid can bring with a gameplan built to his strengths.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 11, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Hey joel forget the next marino, i'm still looking for the next Bob Griese!
Digit there just not there, at least those two!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 11, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
At this point
I’d take the next David Woodley or Don Strock.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Mar 12, 2011 5:27 AM EST up reply actions
Loved Wood-ley, "shula" could always find a gem every once & again!
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We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 12, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
strengths?
Henne’s strengths are he’s slow as hell, dumb as hell, can’t scramble, can’t throw a touch pass, can’t look off a receiver, and can’t even throw accurately down field. Did I miss anything? Oh yea, the team quit on him.
by straighttalk on Mar 11, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. Henne was given the opportunity by the coaching staff and he didn't take advantage of that opportunity.
A lot of things can be justly said about Henne,but fact remains he was never afforded an opportunity to play on his strengths
This assumes that the coaching staff intentionally calls plays in which they know that Henne can’t succeed. I think this is a flat out false assumption. The offense changed significantly from the one the CP10 ran. Different routes were called to take advantage of Henne’s talents. Some of the biggest throws of Henne’s career have come on routes that CP10 couldn’t make, like the comeback to Camarillo against the Jets in ‘09. The problem Henne had was he couldn’t take advantage of the situation.
The highligted statement also assumes that the coaching staff didn’t practice these plays. If Henne can’t execute a play in practice, why would you call it in a game? As a play caller you have to call plays that your QB feels comfortable executing. You know why play action passes were called in 3rd & Long situations? Because Henne liked those plays, not because Henning thought they were a good idea.
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"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
We ran one slant pattern in 10, one friggin' slant.
A majority of Bess’s routes were out routes, making it predictable. Bess still got open, which is a credit t him, but Henning is to blame for not calling more diversity in Bess’s routes.
Marshall was used more of a decoy than anything, yes he did get catches, but they were always a few plays apart usually in the first quarter and then Henning would go elsewhere.
We didn’t use our HBs in the passing game until the second Bills game. Our HBs are deadly in the passing game and Henne was deprived off that weapon this year.
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by PotM on Mar 11, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You really buy that don't you? It is all playcalling.
Does it ever occur to you that all the Bess out routes were OPTION ROUTES? That is what slot receivers do, they run option routes. Also, slant routes are some of the easiest to complete so naturally a defense wouldn’t just let WR’s run that route. Especially if a QB like Henne has success completing that route.
Marshall wasn’t a decoy all season. He served his role very well. He commanded double coverage. Sometimes he still needed to get the ball even when doubled and that is on the QB. But the biggest problem with that is no one on the other side of the field had the talent to take advantage of all the attention Marshall recieved.
Our HB’s are slow and Williams didn’t have very good hands. Plus they were used in the passing game on check downs. That is something Henne does very well, check down.
John Clayton said prior to the ‘10 season that defenses had figured Henne out by the end of the ’09 season. That proved true. Defenses took away the things Henne did well and he couldn’t adjust. Henning did adjust the offense, it was obvious. Henne couldn’t execute it. Could things have been done differently with the play calling? Absolutely. But I guarentee you that Henning never once called a play that: a) Henne didn’t feel comfortable in executing or b) he knew would fail.
To think that Henne had no say in the offensive game plan or couldn’t audible is laughable in its absurdity. To not put any blame on Henne for this offense being futile is also absurd.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Henne's best games were at the end of the 09 season.
That statement makes no sense in the context of that. You figure out how to dismantle the passing game, when all production on offense is in the passing game?
So in your opinion, if something can be defensed you shouldn’t ever do it? Hartline’s deep slant in the Saints game shows you how deadly that route can be, or how about Fitzgerald in the SB? Just because a D can figure out a route doesn’t mean you should throw out the play. Sorry for jumping out of order, but that just stuck out at me.
Marshall was used as a decoy for mst of the season. He was used correctly in the first NYJ game, the beginning of the GB game and the TD drive of the second NYJ game. Marshall is one of the most reliable WRs and is also a deadly weapon we didn’t use correctly.
Our HB’s were bottled up in the running game because they were frequently running into a wall. Our HBs should be motioned out in the slot or H-back position to utilize their pass catching abilities. Ricky might not have the best hands, but is a dangerous YAC guy, see last year’s Orange out NYJ screen. Ronnie the most versatile back I’ve seen and that is because of how you can use him in the passing game.
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by PotM on Mar 11, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Granted he was given more to work with than say Thighpen,
But I can name several occasions where Henne got his feet under him,got a rythym going,and then was pulled for the wildcat. Several occasions where on third and long,we called a handoff to the runningback,or fullback for that matter. What about the routes Henning had designed for the recievers,where it allowed for the safeties to play deep,only to find our guys blanketed with a small window for Henne to throw to.
Play designs were bad,the line was shuffled and reshuffled,the run game simply wasn’t there,tell me again how Henne,or any of our guys were given the opportunity to play their strengths. Because I simply don’t see it.
Henning designed one read plays that killed any chance at Henne building any kind of confidence,yet he STILL managed to improve in a LOT of areas,even while being expected to play out of his skill set. They tried to turn him int Pennington 2.0,and did so innefectively,yet we put it all on Hennes shoulders right?
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 11, 2011 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
How did I miss this?
NiceD4L
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I agree with this
As bad as Henne was, he was not put in positions by (nor did he have the trust of) his coaches and coordinators to succeed. When they were losing Henne was quickly thrown under the bus by his HC and OC blaming him. They were quick to point fingers instead of taking any blame themselves.
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actually, Henne sucks at playaction, and doesn't like it because he has to turn his back to the D
and Henning called the anyway. Because Henning is a douche.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 11, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.....very consise.
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What you describe is toxic fans, not toxic Henne.
by urbino on Mar 11, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This may be but no athlete can perform if his home fans don't support him.
Can you think of another QB that was booed by home fans as bad as Henne was late last year that came back and revived their career in that same town? I can’t think of any.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
Shane Falco?
More seriously, Philly fans hated Donovan McNabb when he started out.
I would bet there are others I’m not thinking of. (I find the older I get, the fact that I can’t remember something has less and less to do with whether it actually happened.)
The remembering less and less if it really happened.
2011 Super bowl or bust!!!
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
rec
same thing happened to Ginn. He was booed more than the opposing teams.
by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 11, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Everybody just ignored his nice, toe-dragging sideline grabs (yes, multiple)
in the last few games.
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Exactly. Fans now complain about getting only a 5th round for Ginn but what was the FO suppose to do?
They coaching staff couldn’t play him any more. Ginn was getting blasted by the Fans and Media. If that is happening and the Coaching Staff keeps supporting that players, then the Coaching Staff loses credibility. You have to move players like that.
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"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
sadly accurate,
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Yes (I wanted him gone too)
but what makes it worse is now we need a speed WR and return guy. Kinda sucks.
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A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Ginns demise was his draft pick.
It was Cam that quashed Ginn!
is anyone saying he deserved #1? A Ludicrous choice!!
The fans deserved to howl.
Darrelle Revis was there…as was Patrick Willis…to name two.
Not sayin Quinn should have been taken…..but Ginn?
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Just to clarify to you...Nicky
It seems you believe I’m ignorant….
and there are areas I won’t dissagree.
But I have always been a Henne supporter until the OC proves differant.
And when I said, " the fans deserved tp howl"
I did not mean at Ginn…but at Cam.
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wow
what an insightful post. thank you for all you brought to this discussion lol
Driving the draft Ryan Williams bandwagon
Sigh.
Okay. Ted Ginn was a bad professional football player. He had bad hands, no heart, and zero ability to run after contact. And bad hands.
His problem wasn’t that impatient fans turned on him. His problem was he was not very good at playing professional football. He wasn’t a speed receiver. To be a speed receiver, you have to be a receiver, first. If you can’t reliably catch a football, I don’t know what you are, but it’s not a receiver.
And did I mention bad hands? Not bad hands for a first round pick. Bad hands for any receiver in any round. When you’re a receiver who can’t receive, you’re going to lose the fans, I don’t care when you were drafted.
Henne has never led an offense that put up 49 points in a playoff game,
or in a regular season game.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
Henning has never called a game
that would allow us to score 49 points in a game.
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by Neo on Mar 11, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let me ask this though,
do you think Henne is currently better than Hasselbeck?
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Yes
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A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
We disagree on this one.
I’ll agree that Henne has the potential to get better, and Hasselbeck has to be close to decline, but at this moment I see Hasselbeck as the better QB. His postseason numbers were pretty damn good.
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His postseason numbers were pretty damn good.
Yea, too bad they play a regular season too.
If he is so much better, Seattle would keep him around while they groom THEIR next QB.
We’ll agree to disagree, but I think this is just craziness.
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by Neo on Mar 11, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
in all his 1.6 games?
Why does such an intellegent guy spout this obviious horseshit?
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by Flip-her on Mar 11, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not bad
I think you did a pretty good job of summing up the fins needs. We should dump Hemme for whatever we can get for him or nothing at all. Use the 1st pick to draft a good young QB and let Hasselbeck mentor him. Please don’t get McNabb. That old guy can barely make it through 1 quarter.
by straighttalk on Mar 11, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Straight. I just think this is the reality of the situation.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." MACBETH
"Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron." THE DUDE (The Big Lebowski)
^^^THIS^^^
Born in Miami, I bleed Aqua & Orange! I'm now stuck in CT, smack in between the "Jests" & "Patsies". I stand alone on PhinPhan Island, the lone sunny spot in an otherwise cold & dreary New England. (HELP, I'm surrounded by liberals!!) and it's cold..... too damn cold.....
Zman
to have a QB, means that we actually will have football in '11....at that point......
I’d take Adam Sandler as my QB…
www.zerothirteen.com
Since we need a Play Maker
Micheal Irvin at receiver.
by NawlinsPhinFan on Mar 11, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
and that big native american dude as our
FB and we are set!
How about Mr Ed as a stretch-the-defense WR?
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Water sucks.. it really, really sucks....
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Both McNabb and Hasselbeck
are West Coast Offensive type of guys. Not the kind of offensive we run. I still say Palmer is our best bet, if he becomes available.
But he's also runs a West Coast Offence
by NawlinsPhinFan on Mar 11, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
uhh...better now or better potential??
Sam Madison THE GREAT
"Who's he?" - Don Shula when the Jets took Ken O'Brien with the 24th pick in the 1983 draft, leaving Dan Marino for the Dolphins
Better now as well as better potential
Dabol also cut his teeth under Weiss and had help from Holmgren, both used the West Coast offense to varying degrees. With Ricky and Ronnie’s futures uncertain it would make a lot of sense to institute some sort of West Coast hybrid type of offense which would suit Kolb very well.
Reid and Shanahan are a couple of pretty good coaches and both of them cut McNabb. In fact Reid had Kolb poised to take McNabb’s spot. Must be a good reason for that and enough incentive to avoid bringing McNabb to the Dolphins…
by Mark_J on Mar 11, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why not Hasselbeck?
The guy always wants the ball and when he has it he wants to score. Win, win situation.
Always injured
But he did look good beating the defending Superbowl Champion Aints in the playoffs.
by NawlinsPhinFan on Mar 11, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'll never forget that Packers/Seahawks OT playoff game
Seattle wins the OT coin toss, ref asks if they want to receive, and Hasselbeck says (in front of Brett Favre), “We want the ball. We’re gonna SCORE!”
Then he threw a pick 6 to end the game.
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Mar 11, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hasslebeck would be a fine veteran backup if CP10 doesn't return.
Henne would start, and the rookie will hold the clipboard and learn. The interest makes sense—you need three QBs come fall and the only one that will definitely be back is Henne.
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by Brooklynfinfan on Mar 11, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions
NO not again!!!! Please
Hasselbeck? ……Really????
What happened did Vinny testaverde turn us down??
How many times can the same Franchise make the same mistake before learning??
SIGNING Haselback is following the same patten as
Gus Ferrotte
AJ Feely
Duante Culpepper
Trent Green
How’s all those signings work out for us????
It is time to get away from B minus level QB’s on the last gasp of a careers
(Ok I know feely wasnt on the back end of his career…uhh …he had NO career!)
You cannot put a bandaid on a gaping combat wound and hope it will stop the bleeding!
"Expect nothing. Blame no one. Do Something!"-Bill parcells
Nobody is saying sign Hasselbeck to be our franchise QB.
Which is what all of those previous names you mentioned were meant to be. He is a veteran presence while we groom a rookie.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
We have to pick up someone
We have to get someone we believe can compete and even beat Henne out as starter, Palmer and McNabb could probably do that. Young possibly Hasselback and CP10 would depend on health. ITs not like we have a ton of options Kolb would cost to much based on what has been seen of him, there is very little else except for TT. Get a veteran, bring TT back draft the future and with Henne have them all compete. Release the weakest one and move on.
by LordBishop34 on Mar 11, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
i'd like to know where all the Henne supporters have disappeared to?
by JP 23 on Mar 11, 2011 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There were never very many,
they were just a vocal minority.
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by Flip-her on Mar 11, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not all of us have turned tail and hid,I for one am probably in the minority,but as long as Henne is wearing aqua and orange,i will support him
As for any other member of this team. Read above,and you’ll see,I’m good on Henne starting this year,with a bit more help,and a coach that will work on his confidence,I think,and am probably one of the few that do,that Henne will turn some people around this year.
One thing I like about the Daboll hiring,is his ability to understand and work with QB’s to their strengths. One thing I’ve noticed from Henne is his biggest strength is also his biggest weakness,and that’s his lack of emotion on the field. But,and I say this loosely,if he can use it correctly,its one thing that may save his carreer.
You will never see Henne fist pump a good play,“but that’s what Sparano is there for.” But you will get a guy that will play hurt,shake off an errant throw,forget an interception almost as soon as its thrown,take a sack instead of running for -8 yards,and sometimes,when the chips are down,look at the opportunity to make a play happen.
In some cases,it works,the Mannings,Brees’,Tom Brady’s,are all points of a Qb that can take these traits and make it bring out the best in them. The best thing we can do is have a confident QB on the field with these qualities,be it Henne,Mallet,Cam Newton,or whoever is leading this team. Its time for us as fans to stop bashing these guys,and killing their confidence and realize that perhaps if we back them good times and bad,we may actually see more good then bad from our team.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 11, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone wonder why we saw our reg season win at home percentage go down?
Think about how hard it is to rally a team when the stadiums half empty,and the seat that are filled have fans screaming “YOU SUCK” and hollering for your trade and such.
It doesn’t mean you have to blindly follow the team to abysmal performance,it just means that while you may be upset,just support your team and hope the support helps lead our team to more wins.
by dolphinfan4lyfe on Mar 11, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
We won ONE all season.
The “YOU SUCK” crowd wasn’t until the 2nd half of the season.
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Draft The Newtron Bomb!
The first three were the Jets, the Pats and the steelers.
and the Jets game was 8 yards from being won, the pats game we were winning until a ST melt down, and the Pitts game we won.
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thank you!
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Here, almost everyone takes time to develop in any job.
Gotta give him a chance.
2011 Super bowl or bust!!!
J-E-S-T-S SUCK, SUCK, SUCK.
Still here, but what's the point in arguing
Lines have been hashed and nearly everyone has said their stance. What benefit would arguing anymore give?
by Farorefox on Mar 13, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh.
I suppose it’s probably inevitable that we’ll sign some FA QB, given the FO’s precarious position. And I suppose I’ll be okay with it, as long as whoever it is doesn’t cost much and we don’t have to make more than a 2 year commitment to them.*
But, damn, it’s depressing.
(* Which means no Kolb.)
anyone think we will resign cp10?
if we sign a QB played more to CPs smarts? i mean… hes loved by the FO and the Fans, will have a chance to start, and probably isnt going to cost an arm and a leg
You're right, it won't cost an arm and a leg.
Just a shoulder.
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Draft The Newtron Bomb!
by joel311 on Mar 11, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ba-DUM-Bum.
Thank you folks! You’re a lovely crowd! Tip your waiters and waitresses!
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Mar 11, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
Any pro Hasselbeck is just silly. 12 TDS 17 INTs? Thought we didn’t like Henne because of the TO? The man is 36 and is only gonna get worse. At least Henne has a
(slim)chance to break out and get better. He was so bad that Seattle traded for SD’s 3 string QB. C’mon poeple, just because he played for another team doesn’t mean he is better.
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Well he did look pretty solid
In the two playoff games last year 7 TDs to 1 INts and he is about the only reason they advanced past the first game.
by LordBishop34 on Mar 11, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
and what about the regular season? He QBed a team that had the same record as ours and played in a far easier division.
H*ll, Henne can look good for a couple of games.
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He didn't have a Top 10 defense,
an elite slot receiver, or Brandon Marshall.
'Phins phor Liphe!
Draft The Newtron Bomb!
Yea
and he also didn’t play the Jets defense twice, nor did he play the NE Patriots twice. Nor did he have Henning calling his plays with limited chance to change at the line. He didn’t play against the Ravens, Steelers defenses either and still put up horrible numbers.
He is a old, injured, has been. We had that in CP the past 2 years. No thank you.I see nothing in him that says ‘upgrade’ to me.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
by Neo on Mar 11, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He didn't have the same players on offense as we do and would be fairly inexpensive.
He has a relatively successful season last year compared with McNaab. He would be a very good emergency starter if Henne fails (assuming Henne beats everyone else out and is starting)
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He didn't have the same players on offense as we do
Yea and he didn’t play as nearly as good as teams (especially on defense) that we did either. If he comes here he isn’t coming to back up. I don’t want McNabb either.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
by Neo on Mar 11, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pat white
go get a real job like the rest of us slobs
Vince young
I would rather have a young athletic, proven winner (head case notwithstanding), than an old qb like hasselback or mcnabb. But I would choose hasselback over mcnabb.
With our OL
I wouldn’t mind VY. He still is young and he wins games.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Exactly
we have had plenty head cases here before. Louis Oliver and that de that tried committing suicide with a steak knife, etc etc.
That was Nick Saban's fault, making him cry at practice.
C’mon man, we’re talking about practice! PRACTICE! Not a GAME! PRACTICE!
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Mar 11, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
And don't forget Ray Finkle
LACES OUT, MARINO!
by say_it_aint_so_JT on Mar 11, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Vince Young? Seriously?
In his career with the Titans (5 years) he has 42 TDs and 42 Ints, along with a QB rating of 75.7. He’s been sacked 75 times and put the ball on the turf 38 times.
Henne in 3 years has 27 TDs with 33 INTs along with a rating of 75.3. He’s been sacked 56 times and put the ball on the turf 9 times.
Factor in the ridiculous attitude he has and tell me how on earth is Vince Young an upgrade?
by Mark_J on Mar 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reading is fundamental
mark you need to read posts before you debate. Nobody said young is an upgrade. The post is about possibly getting hasselback. We said we would rather get young instead. But by the way- young has a winning record vs. Hennes losing record so that is an upgrade.
Reading is fundamental
I was replying to your quote; "Vince Young I would rather have a young athletic, proven winner (head case notwithstanding), "
It looked to me like you were saying Vince Young is a “young, athletic proven winner”. I’m saying he is not anything like that at all and he would not be an upgrade even if we were so foolish as to think about it .
His record is worse than Henne’s is. He’s coughed the ball up more times than Henne (counting fumbles) his QB rating is nearly identical. Henne has a 61.1% completion rate while Young has a 57.1% completion rate. Henne has also thrown for more yards per year than Young.
Young is not an upgrade at all….
by Mark_J on Mar 11, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't Henne have a .500 record?
7-6 last year and 7-8 record this year?
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"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Henne played in 32 games
I don’t know his Win/Loss record. I was comparing the two quarterbacks overall not just their team’s win/loss. After all the Titans did have Chris Johnson and just looking at a win/loss is not any indicator of how good Young actually is. He has a 57% completion rate over 5 years, hows that for an NFL QB?
by Mark_J on Mar 11, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Record
young has a winning record and henne doesn’t. Don’t try and make excuses like him having Chris Johnson because we are talking qbs not Rbs. And records are very good indicators of how good qbs are. Did you not see Vince will his team to like 8 straight wins a couple years ago after Collins was benched? In the 4th quarter of most of those games it was youngs passing and scrambling ability that won those games not Chris Johnson . Do you watch football? Or only dolphins games?
by miamimike71 on Mar 11, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
We are talking QBs and not RBs. Henne has better much better stats than Young does...
Young’s 57% completion rate and 42 TDs against 42 INTs in a 5 year career is a ‘winning’ QB to you? If you really believe that then there is no point continuing this discussion with you.
In my opinion you need a much higher percentage of completions and far fewer INTs than Young has to be a ‘winning’ QB in this league. I’m quite happy the Dolphins don’t appear to be considering Young…
by Mark_J on Mar 11, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Proof
once and for all proof! Youngs stats as follows 08- 64.5rtg 1td 2ints 09-82.8rtg 10tds 7ints 10-98.6rtg 10tds 3ints and over those 3 years a 14-9 record. His overall record is much better but I’m only going from 08 which was Hennes first year.every year young has improved greatly in rating and td-int ratio. Hennes stats-08-74rtg 0tds 0ints 09-75.2rtg 12tds 14ints 10-75.3rtg 15tds 19ints with a 14-16 record. As opposed to young, henne’s rtg has stayed the same and also no improvement in td-int ratio.young has made strides while henne remains inept! Case closed!!!
by miamimike71 on Mar 12, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Wait...... QBs improve?
-Pulse of the Maggots P.o.t.M. The "pm striker king"- WZB
"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Also, you fail to discount the 3 games at the begininning of the 09 season and the CHI game this year
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"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Handpicked results is not proof of overall performance
Look at the links I posted, they are CAREER stats. You can’t discount Youngs rough start in the NFL and then count Henne’s. Young’s stats are worse, he only has a 57% completion rate and Henne has a 61% completion rate! Young has also been in the league two years longer and he should be better but he is clearly not.
Very clearly Young is not better than Henne nor should he be considered an upgrade…
by Mark_J on Mar 12, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just say no
dude I’m from Miami and next to god and my son I probably love the dolphins more than anything else but you must be high to think that #1 henne has outperformed young and#2 that he’s better then young. Oh and by the way young has shown significant progress in all areas of his game while henne has regressed. To say henne is better because of a 4% better completion percentage is crazy. Also young is a threat to get rushing yards and Tds. (red zone especially)-something henne is not. I’m glad your a phons fan but say no to drugs dude.
by miamimike71 on Mar 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
You're entitled to your opinion, even if its not based on fact.
I try to base my opinions on fact and not some feel good ideas, When you dissect all the numbers Young is not as good as Henne and ALL the numbers prove that without question.
by Mark_J on Mar 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Facts
its no use debating with you. Look at your own links for all the facts you need. Young has a better record, qb rating, td-int ratio, and more rushing yards than henne. All the while improving every year-last year his rtg was 98.6 with 10tds 3ints . That is all the facts I need. Oh that’s right- you said henne is better because of his 4% better completion percentage- lol
Don't let facts get in your way...
These numbers are the player averages for their careers per game taken from the nfl.com links I already posted;
Young 57.9% Completion rate
Henne 61.1% Completion rate
Young 0.70 TDs per game
Henne 0.84 TDs per game
Young 149.9 yards per game
Henne 195.1 yards per game
Now explain again how Young with 2 years more experience is better than Henne right now. The numbers speak for themselves, no point in debating this with you at longer.
Young is not an improvement over Henne
by Mark_J on Mar 12, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right about one thing, Young ran more
Young did have a 24 yard per game rushing average and Henne’s was only 2.6 but Young also fumbled the ball 38 times compared to Henne’s 9 fumbles…
by Mark_J on Mar 12, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now
this is a “what have you done for me lately” league. Last years numbers for henne are a joke compared to vince’s and like I said with stats to back it up that young has progressed while henne has regressed. There’s your explanation how young is better now.
Example
perfect example- nobody thought solai was going to be much and now after one good year he is franchised and going to make 12 million.
The numbers don't agree with you so you change your position.
I give up…
by Mark_J on Mar 12, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Henne has a rushing TD to his name.
He might not be uber-athletic, but because he is a passer, the D will respect that.
-Pulse of the Maggots P.o.t.M. The "pm striker king"- WZB
"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Starts is what counts though when looking at this.
If you want to blame the Texans loss in 08 on Henne, be my guest, but I won’t take you seriously.
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by PotM on Mar 12, 2011 5:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pat White...
Cat growls thru the speakers at a college team’s stadium… lol
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I'd much prefer Palmer over Mcnabb or Hasselback
Just feel like Carson has a lot more not only to give, but to prove too. Mcnabb and Hasselbeck are both proven qbs who have been to the super bowl. Palmer wants to show and prove to his critics that he can take a team beyond the first round.
Plus he’s younger, and generally shows a lot of passion… kinda similar to Brady
Strange isn't it
Bring up Carson and he is old and sucks. But they want a 36 yr old QB that threw 12TDs and 17 INTS. Go figure.
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
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by Neo on Mar 11, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
??
Elevator smell different to midget. -Chinese Proverb
Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed?
Who owns this shithole? - Will Muny
Hasselback is old, man.
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"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Sorry...Neo???? on the wrong reply spot.
These drugs are such a pain!!!! They f up allot!
I want them gone!
[I have been screwed on 2 MRI’s. This Tues. I am suppose to finely get it]
Everyone knows I am on ‘pain’ meds…
first it was Vicodin…then Morphine.
Not complaining! Unless I’m trying to make a point…and miss the mark!
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What I meant to say
my???’s were aimed 1 above….at Cheech.
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Palmer is awful.
Only Henne and Kerry Collins had worse YPA last year among full-time starters. Hasselbeck was as bad.
by JPFinsCanes on Mar 11, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, we heard you like Palmer...
… if you know what I mean… ;p
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Old warhorses
Hell we might as well send Jennifer Lopez to Mississippi to get Brett favre while we are at it. Just don’t let her text him! Lol
Hasselbeck is a great QB to have on your roster
… if you have a young, emerging, and clearly defined starter already ahead of him.
This reminds of the Ravens signing Marc Bulger to back-up Joe Flacco last year. That was a phenomenal signing, I think. Hasselbeck doesn’t seem to me like someone I’d want starting for my football team anymore. He’d make a great back-up to, like, Matt Ryan or Sam Bradford or something. But I wouldn’t want to hand an injury-prone 36-year-old quarterback coming off the worst season of his career the keys to my ’11 season.
www.bingelistening.com
twitter.com/bingelistening
Then he needs to stay in Seattle
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"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Hasselback is capable of being a backup, while CP is not
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"Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
"Don't pray to have easier lives. Pray to be stronger men." - JFK
Is this a case where bad QB play got the OC fired
or is it that a bad OC caused even a seasoned vet,with playoff/SB experience,to have a horrible year?
If it was just bad QB play then why would we even entertain the thought of signing Hasselbeck but if it was a bad OC making even a decent QB look bad then why kick Henne to the curb?
We might as well keep Pennington if they are considering Hasselbeck
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by Patssuck456 on Mar 12, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Hell I dont know....
Anyone got any career advice for the now unemployed former pro athlete?
Nail a famous chick and sell the sextape?
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A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
... was his name o.
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
Damn People get off Henne
Henne had no O line and with that the running game was not that good…….There is no QB who play with out a O line. This was Henne 1st year being the full time starter…..So let Henne be and fix the O line. with this the running game will improve…then get a WR that can hit it deep……Everybody wants a new QB……but please answer this…..what good is a new QB going to do if the O line is no good and there is no running game….Everybody wants Henne out but is not all is fault….So get of Henne and fix everything else and Henne will be good this year………….
by Kevin13 on Mar 13, 2011 1:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Kevin i've been saying this exzack same thing I'm a bit blue in the face also!
They (the fans) just dont want henne any-more but if they could see what letting henne go in our offense one more year might just bring us a highly touted QB next year. We should sit on our thumb’s!
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by wild zion beaver on Mar 13, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
This.
I mean, if they draft Mallett, I’ll be excited — getting to root for a Razorphin, and all. But I still think the smart play is to give Henne another year and wait.
by urbino on Mar 13, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
UR thx & rec!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 13, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
My pleasure totally, as i call them like i see them!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 13, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
With one eye closed!
"The Bitterness of poor quality remains, long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
"Koa Misi -- the A.J. Duhe of this decade!"
"Are we not entertained?!" -- Russell Crowe ‘Gladiator’ voice
u b da Man alph!
wopper "the king" computer
We often look rite past the positive's cuz the negative's-r-so hard they dominate!
by wild zion beaver on Mar 14, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not just the O LIne
The reason I’m still hard on Henne (and maybe other folks as well) is because of his bad decisions and poor reads. Reading a defense has very little to do with the O Line and forcing a bad pass doesn’t either. The mounting problem for Henne is now the players, fans and even the Front Office doesn’t have any confidence in the guy. The odds are strongly against him bouncing back. Dabol isn’t going to make that big of a difference and his defense reading skills and decisions aren’t going to change much either. If we’re stuck with what we have Thigpen would probably do better than Henne, if we just gave him the time with the 1st team…
Henne is just another mediocre quarterback in a league driven by QBs, we need a new one…
Yes...Henne did fail and he make bad decisions at times.
Just remember….Henne had an outline to follow. The OC gave him x,y,z to follow.
If x and z are always covered…..where do you go? Henne….almost a rookie…looks where? At “Y”!! Because if he doesn’t make the throw…900 lbs of angry flesh is going to slam him to the ground!
Ask yourself seriously…….“how many times after that”… will you stare down the intended receiver?
He was screwed from the coaching point….time and again!
This obtuse play…of switching when he is hot….to the wildcat last year [??] ….even his team understands this and sticks up for him!!!! This wild and rouge factor resided in the OC….not in Henne!
After all of this….[needing 40 yards] the OC calls for 10.
I’m tired….however, Henne…in the last two years seemed to be an experiment for Henning!
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by Flip-her on Mar 13, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Give him the first 5 games
I say give him the first 5 games in Dabolls system and see how he does. If Henne is not doing anything pull him. But if we pull him we need to stick with it. I think he will be fine if we fix the problems and have a new Offensive system. I am just glad that it has been every where that Henne got 2gether the Daboll. That means he cares and is excited….who cares if any rules where broke….fine us….we do have the 2nd richest owner if the NFL…..lol
I dont think Henne gets anything...
Henne needs to go to camp and earn a spot from whatever other QBs we have competing. I know Henning didn’t make it easy on him but when Henne got x,y,z choices he seemed to pick the worst of the three more times than not.
I honestly didn’t mean to get off track on Henne here, but Hasselback or Young would not be an upgrade over Henne. I still say go after Kolb….
I am with you if,,,
I am with you if we can fix the holes we have in the Offense
1..O line
2..find out who will be the running backs
3..get a fast as hell WR
If we get this fixed and we can bring in a more proven QB to compete with Henne…I am all for it…..all I am saying is the other issues are bigger to me…because with the O line we have ..no runnig game…no fast WR…it does not matter who we bring…will be same results I think….
HE over HA
No, No, No to Hasselback. I’ve never believed he could get it done and now he’s injury prone like CP10. This is would be like the signing of Trent Green. Hasselback would get decked and be gone before the first snap. Did you see the dive he took in the playoff game? He was barely touched.
I starting to lose confidence in Henne but he’s a far better choice then sloppy seconds with Hasselback.
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